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BeQuietAndDrive
11-22-2006, 05:28 PM
I honestly don't think there's a single riff the guy has written for this guitar that I dislike. Also, the nature of a 12 really doesn't give him the luxury of being lazy with a riff or else it'll sound like shit. The strummy-strum sound just fits Dave's style so well. I guess that's why I like the mini-12 too.

If he's so concerned with cutting through the band's sound, he should do it with this :upyours

http://www.tommyschultz.com/images/download-guitar-photos/dave-12string.jpg https://whsec1.davematthewsband.com/images/roadhouse/pics/050901/dmbonstage/W_tourpic_3.jpg http://gear.dmbtabs.com/images/pictures/taylor-w65_03.jpg

skipolo
11-22-2006, 05:30 PM
There isn't one song on the 12 string that I don't like... I definitely support this thread!

12 string songs are?

Grey St
Raven
JTR
Bartender
BEF


What am I missing?

BeQuietAndDrive
11-22-2006, 05:31 PM
There isn't one song on the 12 string that I don't like... I definitely support this thread!

12 string songs are?

Grey St
Raven
JTR
Bartender
BEF


What am I missing?

SUAD, Monkey Man, Kit Kat. He also used it on the 2000 tour on songs like DDTW, Crash, and Minarets.

skipolo
11-22-2006, 05:32 PM
Bring this beat back to me again!!!

I'm all for this....although he looks like his new "tiny little guitar" right now

jdow722
11-22-2006, 05:45 PM
d+t he also used it for last stop, spoon, and wild horses (the martin 12 he has)

Rickmiller15BOSOX
11-22-2006, 05:49 PM
Kind of a shot in the dark but...Anyone think Shotgun would sound good on the 12? Or remain untouched?

Tomacco
11-22-2006, 05:59 PM
The 12er was the guitar of the LWS, and seems the tiny guitar is the guitar of the 2006 sessions.

timh.
11-22-2006, 06:19 PM
Kind of a shot in the dark but...Anyone think Shotgun would sound good on the 12? Or remain untouched?

shotgun is on a 12 string... just one tuned up to d

Smittay
11-22-2006, 06:21 PM
honestly, dave needs to learn how to solo before he writes another song on the 12 or scatpipe

timh.
11-22-2006, 06:23 PM
honestly, dave needs to learn how to solo before he writes another song on the 12 or scatpipe

he probably does know how to solo... or better than we'd imagine him being able to anyway. him soloing on an acoustic guitar as the only guitar player in the band isnt very conducive to the sound the band makes though, so that's probably why he stick to rhythmic instrumentation

Rickmiller15BOSOX
11-22-2006, 06:31 PM
shotgun is on a 12 string... just one tuned up to d
Well kick me in the dick then! I have no ear for the guitar.

KaraL
11-22-2006, 07:34 PM
Maybe the 12 string reminds Dave of the Lillywhite sessions and brings back bad memories so he stays away? But I agree, I like every 12-string song except for BEF

thestand
11-22-2006, 08:07 PM
I hope we get something on the big 12 string for this album. I think the only thing I'm scared about so far on the new album is the lack of anything on a 6 or regular 12 string. And the only song that he could hypothetically play something on, he stands there with the guitar in his hands, ready for the next song.

FishMonkeyMan
11-22-2006, 08:09 PM
i support this thread... although i really like the new soprano 12 string.

BeQuietAndDrive
11-22-2006, 08:13 PM
I hope we get something on the big 12 string for this album. I think the only thing I'm scared about so far on the new album is the lack of anything on a 6 or regular 12 string. And the only song that he could hypothetically play something on, he stands there with the guitar in his hands, ready for the next song.

I mean, I think this may sound silly but it's almost like he's scared that he's lost his touch or something. We haven't had a guitar-driven song Dave's written on a regularly tuned guitar since 2004.

I am all for Dave trying new things, though. IMO he's 2-for-2 with riffs on the new 12-string, but the riffs he's written on the Bari lately aren't nearly as interesting. I wonder why he hasn't gone back to the 6 yet.

thestand
11-22-2006, 08:21 PM
I mean, I think this may sound silly but it's almost like he's scared that he's lost his touch or something. We haven't had a guitar-driven song Dave's written on a regularly tuned guitar since 2004.

I am all for Dave trying new things, though. IMO he's 2-for-2 with riffs on the new 12-string, but the riffs he's written on the Bari lately aren't nearly as interesting. I wonder why he hasn't gone back to the 6 yet.The bari riffs definitely aren't interesting or substantially artistic, but I'd be lying if I said they aren't catchy. I honestly can't remember 90% of Kill the King, but I can remember the rhythm of the bari riff, and the first thing that comes to mind when I think of Break Free is the opening riff. He may be sadly moving away from more artistic riffs, but he hasn't lost his hook-making ability.

inmytree
11-22-2006, 08:43 PM
The bari riffs definitely aren't interesting or substantially artistic, but I'd be lying if I said they aren't catchy. I honestly can't remember 90% of Kill the King, but I can remember the rhythm of the bari riff, and the first thing that comes to mind when I think of Break Free is the opening riff. He may be sadly moving away from more artistic riffs, but he hasn't lost his hook-making ability.

I don't know, Idea of You and Shotgun are both very interesting riffs and chord progressions...just because they're not on a standard tuned guitar doesn't really matter, I don't think.

thestand
11-22-2006, 08:46 PM
I don't know, Idea of You and Shotgun are both very interesting riffs and chord progressions...just because they're not on a standard tuned guitar doesn't really matter, I don't think.
I totally agree. I'm not a fan of Idea of You, but I completely respect the riff. I was talking about the electric baritone used on Break Free and Kill the King, though.

JorgeCavos
11-26-2006, 11:45 PM
Bring back the 12-string. I like the new tiny one, but whip out the big one (wow that sounded kind of...haha). Really though, he hasn't made one bad song with the 12er...so keep it goin

vandamit
11-26-2006, 11:48 PM
i don't like the term 12er. please stop typing it.

greykitkat36
11-27-2006, 12:00 AM
I love every song Dave has written on the 12-string. Dave's taylor particularly sounds great with the rest of the band. I'm tired of so many songs on the baritone. I know he's experiementing..but there's nothing wrong with a great standard 6 string once in a while.

timh.
11-27-2006, 12:07 AM
it is kinda strange that none of the new songs are on a standard 6 string...

vandamit
11-27-2006, 12:11 AM
it is kinda strange that none of the new songs are on a standard 6 string...

maybe dave feels all tapped out on a standard 6 string.

timh.
11-27-2006, 12:20 AM
maybe dave feels all tapped out on a standard 6 string.

probably... it's definitely easier to write music on an instrument tuned differently than what you are accustomed to playing... when i slap on a capo or play baritone guitars or raised guitars, i hear all kinds of patterns that i dont usually think about in standard tune for some reason.

but cant be tapped out... all the 04 goodies were in standard... with exception to ggt, and they were all bad ass

greykitkat36
11-27-2006, 12:21 AM
probably... it's definitely easier to write music on an instrument tuned differently than what you are accustomed to playing... when i slap on a capo or play baritone guitars or raised guitars, i hear all kinds of patterns that i dont usually think about in standard tune for some reason.

but cant be tapped out... all the 04 goodies were in standard... with exception to ggt, and they were all bad ass

:upyours

I'm suprised throughout all these years of playing..Dave has only written one song with a capo..that lasted like 3 months.

vandamit
11-27-2006, 12:22 AM
probably... it's definitely easier to write music on an instrument tuned differently than what you are accustomed to playing... when i slap on a capo or play baritone guitars or raised guitars, i hear all kinds of patterns that i dont usually think about in standard tune for some reason.

but cant be tapped out... all the 04 goodies were in standard... with exception to ggt, and they were all bad ass

true. maybe we'll see some new standard guitar stuff still on the new album.

Strugz10
11-27-2006, 01:45 PM
Let's not ruin a good thing.

FERRALL
11-27-2006, 01:50 PM
fuck the 12er

im hoping for the 24

vandamit
11-27-2006, 01:55 PM
fuck the 12er

im hoping for the 24

http://www.beyondthetrees.com/oracle%20full%20front.JPG

FERRALL
11-27-2006, 02:07 PM
http://www.beyondthetrees.com/oracle%20full%20front.JPG
:upyours

Phan
11-27-2006, 02:27 PM
Dave needs to write some more tunes of quality

kaisek
11-27-2006, 10:29 PM
Maybe the 12 string reminds Dave of the Lillywhite sessions and brings back bad memories so he stays away? But I agree, I like every 12-string song except for BEF

:wtf

BEF on lillys..... I mean.. c'mon

busted stuff and live... ok...


but they lilly version is one of my favorite tracks of all time from them.

changoloco
11-28-2006, 02:46 PM
shotgun is on a 12 string... just one tuned up to d


Not to be nit-picky but tuning to D is a downtune on all the strings that change from standard tuning E->D B->A

SweetDownAndUp
11-28-2006, 03:01 PM
Does anyone know what type of guitar was used for 'Run While...' song?

Popeye2003
11-28-2006, 03:37 PM
Not to be nit-picky but tuning to D is a downtune on all the strings that change from standard tuning E->D B->A
It's a different guitar, with soprano tuning. In relation to the "normal" guitar, it's tuned up to D, not down.

timh.
11-28-2006, 03:47 PM
Not to be nit-picky but tuning to D is a downtune on all the strings that change from standard tuning E->D B->A
It's a different guitar, with soprano tuning. In relation to the "normal" guitar, it's tuned up to D, not down.

:upyours
maybe i should change my avatar back to being a guitar (the classic 'i'm smarter than you are when it comes to music' symbol) so that people will be less inclined to question my accuracy when posting about something like a guitar's tuning...

timh.
11-28-2006, 04:07 PM
Does anyone know what type of guitar was used for 'Run While...' song?

the bari

KaraL
11-28-2006, 06:11 PM
:wtf

BEF on lillys..... I mean.. c'mon

busted stuff and live... ok...


but they lilly version is one of my favorite tracks of all time from them.

I just don't like BEF.

nolan8or
11-29-2006, 09:45 AM
id love to see some new songs on the 12string....remember that Stand Up studio clip where dave was playin on it?

Popeye2003
11-29-2006, 02:26 PM
That Ants-esque riff he played on the studio video was pretty damn cool.

NiCK Crush
08-08-2017, 02:42 PM
Sadly, the 12 string now a days pretty much guarantees you're getting Grey Street.

Definitely would love to see him write more songs with this thing.

patsfan39
08-08-2017, 03:37 PM
Big Eyed Fish has been pretty popular the last few years. There was a huge comeback in 2010 but had steady play every year since.

NiCK Crush
08-08-2017, 03:38 PM
Big Eyed Fish has been pretty popular the last few years. There was a huge comeback in 2010 but had steady play every year since.

True, but your first expectation when that thing comes out should be Grey Street, no?

sean52692
08-08-2017, 05:00 PM
Getting anything other than Grey Street tends to be a surprise.

NiCK Crush
08-08-2017, 06:15 PM
Didn't he play Minarets a handful of times on the 12 string? Rapunzel too right?

zaphod!
08-08-2017, 07:43 PM
squirm was also played on the 12-string during D&T, at least.

Tomacco
08-08-2017, 07:49 PM
What's the current 12-string roster? From what I know...

Grey Street
Big Eyed Fish
Bartender
Raven
Sweet Up and Down
JTR
Kit Kat Jam
The Last Stop
When the World Ends (can't remember if this is still the case, but I remember it was a few years back)

sean52692
08-08-2017, 11:02 PM
Didn't he play Minarets a handful of times on the 12 string? Rapunzel too right?

Minarets yes, at least once on 8/29/00. I'm not sure about Rapunzel, but he did play the 12 on PNP :segue Grey Street on 10/8/10. http://www.dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056834&tid=109&where=2010

sean52692
08-08-2017, 11:07 PM
When the World Ends (can't remember if this is still the case, but I remember it was a few years back)

Not anymore on WTWE. The only year I think he used the 12 for that was 2007.

NiCK Crush
08-09-2017, 01:42 AM
Minarets yes, at least once on 8/29/00. I'm not sure about Rapunzel, but he did play the 12 on PNP :segue Grey Street on 10/8/10. http://www.dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056834&tid=109&where=2010

That PNP was definitely what I was thinking about, thanks.

mja271
08-09-2017, 08:35 AM
I miss the old 12 string

Josh.0
08-09-2017, 08:48 AM
I miss the old 12 string

I miss all of the old guitars. His newer custom ones don't have as rich of a tone to my ear, particularly songs played on 12's.

sean52692
08-09-2017, 10:11 AM
I miss the old 12 string

I loved that guitar. Is it officially retired? I feel like the last time I saw it or it was used was on The Riff at Deer Creek '14.

I don't like Rockbridge's very much either...

patsfan39
08-09-2017, 10:23 AM
True, but your first expectation when that thing comes out should be Grey Street, no?

Depends on when it is in the set.

if its late, 100% grey street. if not, then im going BEF or hoping for Last Stop (which im 0/1000000000000000 on guessing)

greykitkat36
08-11-2017, 10:23 PM
Agreed. Some of DMB's best songs were written on the 12, and honestly can't think of any bad ones that were. What was the last song written on the 12? YNK? If so, damn its been a long time.

DIDO36
08-12-2017, 01:30 AM
I loved that guitar. Is it officially retired? I feel like the last time I saw it or it was used was on The Riff at Deer Creek '14.

I don't like Rockbridge's very much either...

He used it for last stop last year.

Maybe bartender too but I know he used it for last stop

DIDO36
08-12-2017, 01:46 AM
Sadly, the 12 string now a days pretty much guarantees you're getting Grey Street.

Definitely would love to see him write more songs with this thing.

The 12 is the best guitar to see put out on the stage before the show starts because you know you are going to get a great opener. No song he currently uses on the 12 is a bad song. Even grey street, wich most of us are tired of, is a fantastic as an opener.

Now I tell you the worst is seeing the little red guitar put out on stage before the show. That's 100% going to be a squirm opener and I think it completely sucks as an opener.

timh.
08-12-2017, 08:46 AM
I miss all of the old guitars. His newer custom ones don't have as rich of a tone to my ear, particularly songs played on 12's.

as far as what we hear through the recordings or mains at a concert in terms of the guitar's "richness or thinness" that falls more on the pickup and how front of house decides to eq it... i suspect that the custom guitars have a discernible difference in quality of tone (for the good) over pretty much any taylor guitar.

also, on the thinness, i wouldn't be surprised if dave is playing lighter gauge strings than he used to as he gets older and maybe doesn't want to work as hard to fret the note. medium gauge strings (like he played in the '90s and 00's) definitely have a thicker and punchier sound than light gauge string. that might have more to do with the loss of attack we used to hear

mjf
08-14-2017, 11:12 AM
i suspect that the custom guitars have a discernible difference in quality of tone (for the good) over pretty much any taylor guitar.



:upyours completely agree

Habbs
08-15-2017, 05:54 PM
he probably does know how to solo... or better than we'd imagine him being able to anyway. him soloing on an acoustic guitar as the only guitar player in the band isnt very conducive to the sound the band makes though, so that's probably why he stick to rhythmic instrumentation

I feel like the old Jimi Thing uninspiring soloing he used to do negates this possibility, but it has been a long time since those days, maybe he is better than he ever shows these days.

timh.
08-17-2017, 05:30 PM
I feel like the old Jimi Thing uninspiring soloing he used to do negates this possibility, but it has been a long time since those days, maybe he is better than he ever shows these days.

hahaha it was 11 years ago when i made that speculation, but i'll still stand by it. not that they were face melting solos or anything, but DM is the guitarist playing the solos in funny the way it is and dive in on big whiskey and the groogrux king... which i feel kind of substantiates/validates what i was then suspecting