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raven
11-30-2006, 10:06 AM
This speech given by Dick Lamm is kind of eye-opening. It's a long read, but worth it I think

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado . In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington , DC , filled to capacity by many of America 's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal was destroying the entire state of California . He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America . The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America . It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "First, to destroy America , turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America , "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec ' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book "Mexifornia." His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America . If you feel America . deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed.. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American Dream.

bsan83
11-30-2006, 10:09 AM
What a zenophobic prick.

Just reading the first paragraph, last I checked, Canada and most of continental Europe hasn't exactly collapsed into his apocaylptic scenario that he described due to multiple national languages.

bsan83
11-30-2006, 10:21 AM
"If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path especially The American Dream."

This is the same type of hysterical garbage I'd expect from Michael Savage.

raven
11-30-2006, 10:24 AM
Yeah I agree it is a little over the top and sensational, but he does bring up some good points I think. He definitely is exaggerating about a lot of things.

JamSession v2.0
11-30-2006, 10:35 AM
You know, that actually wasn't worth the read. Bill is right, Lamm is a xenophobe. I think the only valid point he has is that America would be destroyed by keeping its largest expanding demographic uneducated. Otherwise, totally xenophobic. Divided loyalties? I think more people are loyal to themselves over their country.

raven
11-30-2006, 11:26 AM
You know, that actually wasn't worth the read. Bill is right, Lamm is a xenophobe. I think the only valid point he has is that America would be destroyed by keeping its largest expanding demographic uneducated. Otherwise, totally xenophobic. Divided loyalties? I think more people are loyal to themselves over their country.Here where I live there are a ton of Brazilian immigrants. There are so many people who only speak Portuguese and don't bother to learn English, and they are very loyal to Brazil. There are Brazilian flags all over the place, and they act like the own the town sometimes. For example, when Brazil was in the world cup, they were driving all through the main streets of town waving their flags, beeping their horns, and yelling out their car windows. The mayor had to say something about it because it was becoming a hazard.

JamSession v2.0
11-30-2006, 12:56 PM
Here where I live there are a ton of Brazilian immigrants. There are so many people who only speak Portuguese and don't bother to learn English, and they are very loyal to Brazil. There are Brazilian flags all over the place, and they act like the own the town sometimes. For example, when Brazil was in the world cup, they were driving all through the main streets of town waving their flags, beeping their horns, and yelling out their car windows. The mayor had to say something about it because it was becoming a hazard.
So many times over the last 150 years there have been ebbs and flows of immigrants. And alot of them lived in cultural enclaves... 95+% of those people have assimilated and are among the people we consider "full-blooded" Americans.

This article is xenophobia at nearly its worst.

FishMonkeyMan
11-30-2006, 02:05 PM
So many times over the last 150 years there have been ebbs and flows of immigrants. And alot of them lived in cultural enclaves... 95+% of those people have assimilated and are among the people we consider "full-blooded" Americans.

This article is xenophobia at nearly its worst.

live in a LA for a couple years and you will know that while this is over the top and xenophobic, its not completely wrong.

there is a "we have no desire to assimilate into your culture" attitude that exists today in ways that didnt when other cultures were having mass immingration waves. im not saying i agree with everything in this article, i dont, but i do think alot of his points are exaggerated from actual problems.

raven
11-30-2006, 02:09 PM
there is a "we have no desire to assimilate into your culture" attitude that exists today in ways that didnt when other cultures were having mass immingration waves. im not saying i agree with everything in this article, i dont, but i do think alot of his points are exaggerated from actual problems.yeah.. i agree. it almost seems like some immigrants are resistant to adopting US culture. i guess that is to be expected to a degree, but when there are millions of people clinging to their culture and not open to learning about our culture or even learning the english language, it can create problems.

JamSession v2.0
12-02-2006, 08:56 AM
I think that such a dominant majority worrying about a relatively small minority like this is just... stunning. The minority, save for some small pockets, will eventually assimilate into the majority.

Case in point: Catholics. Xenophobic assholes were afraid that Catholics would be more beholden to the Vatican than the US. Truth? Couldn't be further from it.

FishMonkeyMan
12-02-2006, 03:43 PM
I think that such a dominant majority worrying about a relatively small minority like this is just... stunning. The minority, save for some small pockets, will eventually assimilate into the majority.

Case in point: Catholics. Xenophobic assholes were afraid that Catholics would be more beholden to the Vatican than the US. Truth? Couldn't be further from it.

just to repeat what i said before, i think this guy is bigoted and over exaggerating the situation, but that being said, hispanics are not a pocket minority. they are making up a very heavy percentage in the southwest now, and many of them are not interested in assimilating. many are, but many are not. my mother was an immigrant, her family came here from europe 50 years ago and they learned to speak the language and assimilated to our culture. there are large groups of people in the south west that still fly mexican flags and have no interest in assimilating. im sure that will change over generations, but for now it is a problem.. not a catastrophe, but a problem. live in LA, san diego, or any other major city where immigration from latin america is so heavy right now for a few years and you will see how big of a problem it is.