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stoner
12-06-2006, 04:26 PM
Listening to a Winter 98 show makes me wish I could have the opportunity to see Tim play with the band. I'd probably go as far as Chicago or New York (from Pittsburgh) to see Tim play with them.

Mersh
12-06-2006, 04:27 PM
Is it a Winter 98 type set or a set with ED and SU material in it? I am not being an ass either.

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 04:31 PM
i would dig a hole all the way to china, unless of course.... fuck it you get the point.

bsan83
12-06-2006, 04:31 PM
Add Bela as well and I don't give a shit if it's an '05/late '06 set.

stoner
12-06-2006, 04:31 PM
let's say 2 ED songs and 2 SU songs, with Tim playing so they sound relatively different

Smittay
12-06-2006, 04:32 PM
id go pretty far as long as he knew the stuff

no gay shit either

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 04:32 PM
i would be excited to see a full band smooth rider with tim, and i would definitely be excited to see a couple of ed tunes with him, like say everyday, red rocks style.

Wescoast
12-06-2006, 04:39 PM
again, just my normal venues. id be a little more excited for the shows, but i wouldnt travel just to see a show. 5 years ago i may have, but there really is nothing that can be done that would be enough for me to travel an excess distance.

mershs point is very valid, with the inclusion of everyday/stand up material to the sets now, it just isnt worth extra effort to see a show.

Mersh
12-06-2006, 04:45 PM
I really don't think I'd go far at this point in my life.

simbro
12-06-2006, 04:45 PM
if it was somewhere in the midwest then i would go, but i dont think i would go anywhere else, unless i planned a trip to that area around the show.

Jack
12-06-2006, 04:46 PM
I hit the winter 98 tour, so not too far.

However, to see him play an acoustic with the full band, I'd travel.

stoner
12-06-2006, 04:47 PM
I'd like to see Tim's take on stand up songs like Bayou, Smooth Rider, maybe Stand Up the song, American Baby Intro could be cool, and on ED I wouldn't mind hearing him on Everday, maybe Angel after listening to Krasno's solo, plus I'd love to hear him on Busted Stuff Material, like Bartender, Grey St, JTR, GIG, Captain. I don't know, I'd go if only because it would be different...

Jack
12-06-2006, 04:54 PM
also, threads like this make my 27 feel old.

Then, I think that most of the people on the boards today have never actually seen a whole show of just the Dave Matthews Band live.

Wescoast
12-06-2006, 04:57 PM
ya, i think a question like this would get a lot better response on other boards.

malachite00
12-06-2006, 04:57 PM
also, threads like this make my 27 feel old.

Then, I think that most of the people on the boards today have never actually seen a whole show of just the Dave Matthews Band live.

You're just a kid... :)

Does anyone know the last time the band toured without Butch? I'll check dmbalmanac, but figured someone would know off the top of their head.

Wescoast
12-06-2006, 04:58 PM
winter 00?

alexbunke
12-06-2006, 05:00 PM
I don't know. I've never been obsessed with Timmy.

Smittay
12-06-2006, 05:01 PM
fuck it, id do it one more time just to see tim

hey i just caught my boss looking at porn on remote desktop !!!

dhhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Jack
12-06-2006, 05:10 PM
winter 00?

yea, winter '00 are the last true Dave Matthews Band shows.

9 out of the 11 dates featured just the original 5. The other two (MSG) had warren guesting on a couple songs. The 'personnel' column on the almanac has never been so lonely since.

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 05:25 PM
yea, winter '00 are the last true Dave Matthews Band shows.

9 out of the 11 dates featured just the original 5. The other two (MSG) had warren guesting on a couple songs. The 'personnel' column on the almanac has never been so lonely since.

i mean i could argue that the real last true dmb shows are the 97 shows... everything changed with btcs.

Jack
12-06-2006, 05:28 PM
i mean i could argue that the real last true dmb shows are the 97 shows... everything changed with btcs.

for the better...... for exactly two years. It's not our fault no one realized it at the time. 98->00 were really good years (even though I haven't listened to much 99 in the last couple years. Maybe I'll pull out 5-30-99).

TheNoise
12-06-2006, 05:31 PM
far

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 05:33 PM
for the better...... for exactly two years. It's not our fault no one realized it at the time. 98->00 were really good years (even though I haven't listened to much 99 in the last couple years. Maybe I'll pull out 5-30-99).

no, no, no

'98 was a really good year, the best year in fact

'00 had some really great creativity and new songs, and alot of overly mellow peformances of classics with backup singers on some of the biggest shows.

'99 was one of the worst years in the band's history

stoner
12-06-2006, 05:35 PM
I'm 26, so you aren't that old, I just didn't see the band live until 2000, and it happened to be one with Butch and the Ladies. I've just always liked what Tim brought to the table and I would really try to see a show if I knew he were going to play with the band. That said, I would also really like to see a show with just the 5 of them out there

Footwear
12-06-2006, 05:35 PM
I don't know. I've never been obsessed with Timmy.
Same, there are tons of people i'd rather see play with them. I say kick out boyd and let butch own face more.

alexbunke
12-06-2006, 05:37 PM
Same, there are tons of people i'd rather see play with them. I say kick out boyd and let butch own face more.I'd lose it if any of the guys left :lol

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 05:38 PM
boyd is the reason that Dave Matthews Band isn't Dave Matthews' Band

he was what made them unique, he was what stood out about the band to newcomers 10-15 years ago. he may not be the best musically in the band, but without him dave never would have gotten to the level that he did. i dont know that the same could be said about anyone else in that band.

Jack
12-06-2006, 05:40 PM
boyd is the reason that Dave Matthews Band isn't Dave Matthews' Band

he was what made them unique, he was what stood out about the band to newcomers 10-15 years ago. he may not be the best musically in the band, but without him dave never would have gotten to the level that he did. i dont know that the same could be said about anyone else in that band.

and in 91->93 people actually thought boyd was dave. He was the voice of the band. Always pushing t-shirts that tinsley.

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 05:43 PM
and in 91->93 people actually thought boyd was dave. He was the voice of the band. Always pushing t-shirts that tinsley.

agreed

carter may be the best drummer in the world, but to the casual n00b ear, every band has a drummer.. people werent hearing ants marchign on the radio and saying "whoa check out that drummer", that came later on, they were saying, "whoa check out this guy with a unique voice and a violin instead of an electric lead guitar."

bsan83
12-06-2006, 05:45 PM
It really is a shame that any convo looking back at the band ends with "sigh :(."

Crush87
12-06-2006, 05:46 PM
i mean i could argue that the real last true dmb shows are the 97 shows... everything changed with btcs.

I agree with this. That's not to say I dont love '99-'00.

sarge
12-06-2006, 05:49 PM
if i could drive less than 10 hours i would go...no flying

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 05:51 PM
I agree with this. That's not to say I dont love '99-'00.

i said it and i dont totally agree with it.. im just making the point there are many eras to the band, and i was trying to devalue the idea that the last true shows were 2000.

there are people that would argue that dmb ended in 93, 94, 95, 97, 98, 2000, 2003, 2004...

original dmb had peter, the best albums had tim, the backup singers messed everything up, stadiums messed everything up, too many shows to too many casual fans messed everything up, rashawn changed everything, ED, SU changed everything, scrapping the lws changed everything, studio crash changed everything...

none of this shit matters..

when they are on tour road testing songs like sugar will, good good time, hello again, shotgun, idea of you, breakfree, that is when dmb is being dmb.. none of the other shit really matters... they will always rebound live when they make bad studio choices... thats what they do.

Fan#41
12-06-2006, 05:52 PM
Not far. Now, if say Tim were joining the band for another tour much like Winter '98, then I would definitely try to catch some of the latter shows of that tour. But one show? Eh. Not that it wouldn't be a big deal or a really thing to happen, just that I'd rather see him play a few shows with the band, get comfortable in certain songs again.

Fan#41
12-06-2006, 05:53 PM
i said it and i dont totally agree with it.. im just making the point there are many eras to the band, and i was trying to devalue the idea that the last true shows were 2000.

there are people that would argue that dmb ended in 93, 94, 95, 97, 98, 2000, 2003, 2004...

original dmb had peter, the best albums had tim, the backup singers messed everything up, stadiums messed everything up, too many shows to too many casual fans messed everything up, rashawn changed everything, ED, SU changed everything, scrapping the lws changed everything, studio crash changed everything...

none of this shit matters..

when they are on tour road testing songs like sugar will, good good time, hello again, shotgun, idea of you, breakfree, that is when dmb is being dmb.. none of the other shit really matters... they will always rebound live when they make bad studio choices... thats what they do.


:upyours

Crush87
12-06-2006, 05:55 PM
i said it and i dont totally agree with it.. im just making the point there are many eras to the band, and i was trying to devalue the idea that the last true shows were 2000.

there are people that would argue that dmb ended in 93, 94, 95, 97, 98, 2000, 2003, 2004...

original dmb had peter, the best albums had tim, the backup singers messed everything up, stadiums messed everything up, too many shows to too many casual fans messed everything up, rashawn changed everything, ED, SU changed everything, scrapping the lws changed everything, studio crash changed everything...

none of this shit matters..

when they are on tour road testing songs like sugar will, good good time, hello again, shotgun, idea of you, breakfree, that is when dmb is being dmb.. none of the other shit really matters... they will always rebound live when they make bad studio choices... thats what they do.


I see what you're saying and to an extent of course I agree. But I agree with your general statement, BTCS (and I LOVE the album) changed the band in a big way and even though not for worse, it was a movement away from their raw sound, the sound I loved the most, so it that respect I see those '97 shows as an end of an era, and end of a band as I most fondly remember them. But that change was inevitable anyway

bsan83
12-06-2006, 05:56 PM
i said it and i dont totally agree with it.. im just making the point there are many eras to the band, and i was trying to devalue the idea that the last true shows were 2000.

there are people that would argue that dmb ended in 93, 94, 95, 97, 98, 2000, 2003, 2004...

original dmb had peter, the best albums had tim, the backup singers messed everything up, stadiums messed everything up, too many shows to too many casual fans messed everything up, rashawn changed everything, ED, SU changed everything, scrapping the lws changed everything, studio crash changed everything...

none of this shit matters..

when they are on tour road testing songs like sugar will, good good time, hello again, shotgun, idea of you, breakfree, that is when dmb is being dmb.. none of the other shit really matters... they will always rebound live when they make bad studio choices... thats what they do.

I think you can argue, very well, that they never rebounded fully from Everyday. Something did ruin them in '00, and while we've had some real good things since, the fact is the band changed and not for the better then.

alexbunke
12-06-2006, 05:57 PM
I think you can argue, very well, that they never rebounded fully from Everyday.That's a huge statement, sir.

bsan83
12-06-2006, 05:58 PM
That's a huge statement, sir.

Well, look at their body of work pre-Everyday and compare it to post-Everyday. It's true.

Fan#41
12-06-2006, 06:00 PM
I think you can argue, very well, that they never rebounded fully from Everyday. Something did ruin them in '00, and while we've had some real good things since, the fact is the band changed and not for the better then.

What was so much better in '99 than '02 then? The change took place before the LWS even happened. It was a progression. A band becoming so huge, having some issues within thier tight-knit family which resulted in what we saw in '01, but the changes in the live setting did not diminish at all. They've grown, bigger and brighter. Sure, some people disagree with certain changes, like Frank viewing Butch as a crutch, but the maturity level has grown ten-fold since '01, and it's shown each and everytime out.

alexbunke
12-06-2006, 06:00 PM
Well, look at their body of work pre-Everyday and compare it to post-Everyday. It's true.Yeah. Yes, realistically. But in my eyes: YNK, Hello Again, Sugar Will, Crazy Easy, Joyride, Trouble With You, Idea Of You, Shotgun, Kill The King, Break Free showcase an enormous potential.

But this discussion just runs in circles :lol

But you're right.

Crush87
12-06-2006, 06:00 PM
I think you can argue, very well, that they never rebounded fully from Everyday. Something did ruin them in '00, and while we've had some real good things since, the fact is the band changed and not for the better then.

'98 - '00 was transition. After '01 the band has never been the same.

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 06:01 PM
i think the band evolved and started trying new genres, styles, and ideas, much as the stones did over the decades, or zeppelin did over its time togther, or the beatles did over the course of nearly every album...

somewhere along the line it became more about experimenting then about following through... fans dont except change very well, and never really gave the band the desire to proceed to develop their new ideas..

we are just as much at fault, and have been since 2000...

i think we all overstate how well the lws songs were recieved at the time on the 2000 tour... if you dont think that had an impact on ED happening, you are wrong. the same people that think that dreaming tree is desired by everyone are the same peopel that thoght that busted stuff and raven were good in 2000, us... the vast majority of the crowd didnt agree. end of story.

that trial and error, whether it works, or doesnt work, is why i still love this band... even if cant stop is mediocre at best, its still enjoyable to me, and idea of you and shotgun have amazing potential. they still try, now i just want them to follow through.. either way though, whether this next album is a commecial hit, or a fan hit, the following year or two will see more road testing, and more of the band at its best.

bsan83
12-06-2006, 06:04 PM
What was so much better in '99 than '02 then? The change took place before the LWS even happened. It was a progression. A band becoming so huge, having some issues within thier tight-knit family which resulted in what we saw in '01, but the changes in the live setting did not diminish at all. They've grown, bigger and brighter. Sure, some people disagree with certain changes, like Frank viewing Butch as a crutch, but the maturity level has grown ten-fold since '01, and it's shown each and everytime out.

I agree that the change started in '99. What's the difference? We weren't scared shitless of their next album in '99, like we were in '02 and are even moreso now.

bsan83
12-06-2006, 06:05 PM
i think the band evolved and started trying new genres, styles, and ideas, much as the stones did over the decades, or zeppelin did over its time togther, or the beatles did over the course of nearly every album...

somewhere along the line it became more about experimenting then about following through... fans dont except change very well, and never really gave the band the desire to proceed to develop their new ideas..

we are just as much at fault, and have been since 2000...

i think we all overstate how well the lws songs were recieved at the time on the 2000 tour... if you dont think that had an impact on ED happening, you are wrong. the same people that think that dreaming tree is desired by everyone are the same peopel that thoght that busted stuff and raven were good in 2000, us... the vast majority of the crowd didnt agree. end of story.

that trial and error, whether it works, or doesnt work, is why i still love this band... even if cant stop is mediocre at best, its still enjoyable to me, and idea of you and shotgun have amazing potential. they still try, now i just want them to follow through.. either way though, whether this next album is a commecial hit, or a fan hit, the following year or two will see more road testing, and more of the band at its best.

Do you blame the fans fearing change when our last two experiences with it are Everyday and Stand Up?

alexbunke
12-06-2006, 06:06 PM
It would be SO amazing if the next album just blew us out of the water so we didn't always have to re-hash these kinds of debates/discussions.

Not being a douche, just saying.

bsan83
12-06-2006, 06:07 PM
It would be SO amazing if the next album just blew us out of the water so we didn't always have to re-hash these kinds of debates/discussions.

Not being a douche, just saying.

No, I absolutely agree, and I swear I'd like nothing more.

alexbunke
12-06-2006, 06:07 PM
It would be fun times.

Fan#41
12-06-2006, 06:08 PM
It would be SO amazing if the next album just blew us out of the water so we didn't always have to re-hash these kinds of debates/discussions.

Not being a douche, just saying.

This will always be a topic, no matter how good the next album is.

DJ Naga Pampa
12-06-2006, 06:09 PM
for that, i would travel any in the world and i wouldnt give a fuck what the price was. its one of my wishes in life to see tim with dmb oh and if bela was there too for the whole set....i would probably kill for their ticket....lol

alexbunke
12-06-2006, 06:09 PM
This will always be a topic, no matter how good the next album is.It would be a less prominent topic, is what I'm saying.

Fan#41
12-06-2006, 06:09 PM
I agree that the change started in '99. What's the difference? We weren't scared shitless of their next album in '99, like we were in '02 and are even moreso now.

I'm talking in a live aspect. Because there's more to this band than just producing an album. They'll always be a live band to me, so that's where I always start from.

Fan#41
12-06-2006, 06:10 PM
It would be a less prominent topic, is what I'm saying.

For a while. :lol

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 06:10 PM
Do you blame the fans fearing change when our last two experiences with it are Everyday and Stand Up?

yeah, i do -

i think there is plenty of blame to go around... we arent the only fans, and you would be surprised as to how many people out there love everyday. this fan base ideolizes one album, and one unfinished album, and nothing else will ever live up to it.

the only thing really wrong with everyday is the ballard production... yeah there are a few duds, but much of it is really good.

stand up works for me because it captures that road testing vibe in a way that no other album has. maybe thats the wrong way to record an album, but for me it worked even if i hate several songs.

this band has always been more about the process then the finished product, and people have always complained about the product... crash was more hated by old school fans then anyone remembers...

things can be good for different reasons. there isnt a set criteria.

Crush87
12-06-2006, 06:10 PM
What was so much better in '99 than '02 then? The change took place before the LWS even happened. It was a progression. A band becoming so huge, having some issues within thier tight-knit family which resulted in what we saw in '01, but the changes in the live setting did not diminish at all. They've grown, bigger and brighter. Sure, some people disagree with certain changes, like Frank viewing Butch as a crutch, but the maturity level has grown ten-fold since '01, and it's shown each and everytime out.

I think they have the ability play harder than ever now. And, yea do I enjoy the older band over the current one with respect to style and whatnot? Tenfold. Would it be an issue if their material was up to par with their talent? Not in the least, you can't have it all. But, when I add together the absolute shit theyve written (obviously putting aside the great tunes that have come out) and their evolving sound, that's when I have a gripe. I love this band just as much as anyone else around here, I just have different preferences.

alexbunke
12-06-2006, 06:11 PM
For a while. :lolCome on, if the album was amazing AND the live shows were stellar. And then if Dave decided to start work on anther solo album?

There would be so much better things to talk about!

bsan83
12-06-2006, 06:12 PM
yeah, i do -

i think there is plenty of blame to go around... we arent the only fans, and you would be surprised as to how many people out there love everyday. this fan base ideolozis one album, and one unfinished album, and nothing else will ever live up to it.

the only thing really wrong with everyday is the ballard production... yeah there are a few duds, but much of it is really good.

stand up works for me because it captures that road testing vibe in a way that no other album has. maybe thats the wrong way to record an album, but for me it worked even if i hate several songs.

this band has always been more about the process then the finished product, and people have always complained about the product... crash was more hated by old school fans then anyone remembers...

things can be good for different reasons. there isnt a set criteria.

I know far more fans, completely unrelated to message board land, that are former fans due to Everyday and Stand Up than do I fans that like those albums. It is that simple.

It's not just one finished and one unfinished album this fanbase idolizes; it's basically everything written before the 13 days spent out in LA. Sure, those get an inordinate amount of praise, but really, the whole body of work before those discs are why everyone is here.

alexbunke
12-06-2006, 06:13 PM
I know far more fans, completely unrelated to message board land, that are former fans due to Everyday and Stand Up than do I fans that like those albums. It is that simple.All my casual DMB fan friends really loved SU.

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 06:14 PM
I know far more fans, completely unrelated to message board land, that are former fans due to Everyday and Stand Up than do I fans that like those albums. It is that simple.

ok, well i know alot of fans who left because of btcs and the lws/busted stuff. there is a reason why the crowd cheers when ED, wya, or wtwe get played.

they are at their best when they are balancing danceable fun tunes and dark, philosophical meaningful tunes. somewhere along the way they forgot how to strike the right balance that they had in the early to mid 90s.

bsan83
12-06-2006, 06:15 PM
All my casual DMB fan friends really loved SU.

Meh, mine all laugh at it, and talk about the band in the past tense.

alexbunke
12-06-2006, 06:15 PM
Meh, mine all laugh at it, and talk about the band in the past tense.That's funny. The bass player in my band thinks BTCS is their worst album.

I tried calmly to explain how wrong he was, but it couldn't be done.

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 06:16 PM
All my casual DMB fan friends really loved SU.

my best friend from college at 26 loved stand up and it was the first album he got really in to since crash.

bsan83
12-06-2006, 06:16 PM
ok, well i know alot of fans who left because of btcs and the lws/busted stuff. there is a reason why the crowd cheers when ED, wya, or wtwe get played.

they are at their best when they are balancing danceable fun tunes and dark, philosophical meaningful tunes. somewhere along the way they forgot how to strike the right balance that they had in the early to mid 90s.

I swear, we all hear what we want to in terms of cheers, because everyone has a different observation when it comes to that. :lol

Second point: absolutely agree 100%.

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 06:16 PM
That's funny. The bass player in my band thinks BTCS is their worst album.

I tried calmly to explain how wrong he was, but it couldn't be done.

most of the girls i know hate btcs and love ed. these girls are mid 20s, not high school kids... thats just reality.

Fan#41
12-06-2006, 06:17 PM
I think they play harder than ever now. And, yea do I enjoy the older band over the current one with respect to style and whatnot? Tenfold. Would it be an issue if their material was up to par with their talent? Not in the least, you can't have it all. But, when I add together the absolute shit theyve written (obviously putting aside the great tunes that have come out) and their evolving sound, that's when I have a gripe. I love this band just as much as anyone else around here, I just have different preferences.

Well no one argues that the band wrote one good/great song after the next for their first 8/9 years. I think they've written some really strong matieral since '01(including some ED tunes) but the thing is, they don't wrtie one good/great song after the next like they used to. And what suffers from that the most are the albums. But I'm talking about the everything combined. It's interesting how much stock some people put into DMB albums, when this band has always been famed for touring and live performances. 12/13 blah songs since '01 doesn't really equate, imo, to this band not doing what they're capable of. I think, and people will deny this to their death saying they just want quality, but I think the quality that we're looking for is perfection and we want it on an album. Because if you really look at it, a few songs that have been created since '01 are FAR more interesting and musicially measured than a good number of their back catalogue.

Crush87
12-06-2006, 06:18 PM
ok, well i know alot of fans who left because of btcs and the lws/busted stuff. there is a reason why the crowd cheers when ED, wya, or wtwe get played.

they are at their best when they are balancing danceable fun tunes and dark, philosophical meaningful tunes. somewhere along the way they forgot how to strike the right balance that they had in the early to mid 90s.

They don't have anywerhe near the number of insightful tunes they used to have. The song pool is so much more diluted now. Next to nothing on stand up has substance. I mean, did WWYS as a song ever have substance? I dont know, its a song about a FAT GOOSE. Im not arguing every song has to be a classic and meaningful one necessarily.
But those songs you mentioned get cheers more than DT and Minarets get cheers because thats the fanbase this band has catered to over the last 6 years, and you get what you cater to.

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 06:19 PM
if they wanted to truly make me happy, they could make all the everydays they want if they just kept playing the live songs i want to hear also. if they didnt think sugar will and joyride were right for stand up, they could have still continued to play them.

the only bright spots of the 2001 tour were: grey street, bartender, grace is gone, jtr.

bsan83
12-06-2006, 06:19 PM
Well no one argues that the band wrote one good/great song after the next for their first 8/9 years. I think they've written some really strong matieral since '01(including some ED tunes) but the thing is, they don't wrtie one good/great song after the next like they used to. And what suffers from that the most are the albums. But I'm talking about the everything combined. It's interesting how much stock some people put into DMB albums, when this band has always been famed for touring and live performances. 12/13 blah songs since '01 doesn't really equate, imo, to this band not doing what they're capable of. I think, and people will deny this to their death saying they just want quality, but I think the quality that we're looking for is perfection and we want it on an album. Because if you really look at it, a few songs that have been created since '01 are FAR more interesting and musicially measured than a good number of their back catalogue.

Those 12/13 blah songs are the ones they insist on playing into the ground and building their sets around. Sure, they have written good songs (you know how I feel about the '04 batch and You Never Know), but what good is it when they don't play a single one of them anymore?

What do fans want? The band to tour behind a solid album and build their sets around that. And not retire every good song they write and keep around the worst of the worst.

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 06:21 PM
Those 12/13 blah songs are the ones they insist on playing into the ground and building their sets around. Sure, they have written good songs (you know how I feel about the '04 batch and You Never Know), but what good is it when they don't play a single one of them anymore?

What do fans want? The band to tour behind a solid album and build their sets around that. And not retire every good song they write and keep around the worst of the worst.

i agree with this completely.

Fan#41
12-06-2006, 06:22 PM
Those 12/13 blah songs are the ones they insist on playing into the ground and building their sets around. Sure, they have written good songs (you know how I feel about the '04 batch and You Never Know), but what good is it when they don't play a single one of them anymore?

What do fans want? The band to tour behind a solid album and build their sets around that. And not retire every good song they write and keep around the worst of the worst.


The worst of the worst drops off. You know that. We didn't see an entire year's worth of DG's or ODH's last summer. We saw enough, lord knows, but it wasn't as heavy in rotation to make a claim that the band is building sets around them.

bsan83
12-06-2006, 06:23 PM
if they wanted to truly make me happy, they could make all the everydays they want if they just kept playing the live songs i want to hear also. if they didnt think sugar will and joyride were right for stand up, they could have still continued to play them.

the only bright spots of the 2001 tour were: grey street, bartender, grace is gone, jtr.

I agree with the sentiment (and obviously about the '01 tour), but that's not how it works. They tour in support of their albums, and so if their albums are full of Dream Girls and Steadys, that's what they'll play (in addition to tossing in a #34 or Last Stop to shut us up :lol).

FishMonkeyMan
12-06-2006, 06:26 PM
I agree with the sentiment (and obviously about the '01 tour), but that's not how it works. They tour in support of their albums, and so if their albums are full of Dream Girls and Steadys, that's what they'll play (in addition to tossing in a #34 or Last Stop to shut us up :lol).
yeah but you are saying they need to change how they do things, and so am i, we just have different interpretations of what the change should be.

its december and i dont know if i have listened to btcs, uttad, or crash once this year... and if i did there was no way it was more then once. the best studio album ever made is still not going to get play from me, i have always almost exclusive listened to live shows.

trey is a good example of doing it right, especially this year. althugh its not the commercial success and he probably never will be as a solo artist, shine is a very commercial album, and his shows are anything but commercial.. i dont expect dmb to go that far, but there is middle ground.

Wescoast
12-06-2006, 06:47 PM
All my casual DMB fan friends really loved SU.

really? i havent met a person yet, just people on here, that find enjoyment in the album. some like american baby or bayou. but for the most part i get 'his new stuff is garbage' from everyone. and i fully agree.

Wescoast
12-06-2006, 06:49 PM
most of the girls i know hate btcs and love ed. these girls are mid 20s, not high school kids... thats just reality.

everyday is significantly more likeable than stand up imo though. i understand, and do hear people that like everyday. i really am yet to hear a friend say, 'oh that new album... thats good music.'

imjustchillin
12-07-2006, 12:08 AM
thanks for all that great debate folks. seems like we have figured out that the band was definately liked at one point or another.

if Tim played a "full" show with the band again, i'd go pretty much wherever.

ethaxton
12-07-2006, 12:33 AM
thanks for all that great debate folks. seems like we have figured out that the band was definately liked at one point or another.

if Tim played a "full" show with the band again, i'd go pretty much wherever.

:upyours Opinions are like assholes...

I would travel far and pay well to see a 2-night stand with Tim. Hard to say I'd do it for a single show.

Dmat514
12-07-2006, 01:13 AM
id go pretty far as long as he knew the stuff

no gay shit either




thats fucking funny

Tambourine Man
12-08-2006, 02:16 AM
Ugh, we should just make a sub-forum "DMB sucks ass post lillywhite. Discuss." But alas, that is pretty much what DMBc is.

burstandbloom
12-08-2006, 08:22 AM
You're just a kid... :)

Does anyone know the last time the band toured without Butch? I'll check dmbalmanac, but figured someone would know off the top of their head.

If its full tour, it was winter 2k. If you want a run of shows, i believe the first two weeks of the 2001 tour was sans butch.

Fan#41
12-08-2006, 06:04 PM
Ugh, we should just make a sub-forum "DMB sucks ass post lillywhite. Discuss." But alas, that is pretty much what DMBc is.

...it's one thread.

dmb2much40
12-08-2006, 07:34 PM
i wouldn't go to any places i normally don't. sets these days will never be the sets of '98.

Tambourine Man
12-08-2006, 07:39 PM
...it's one thread.

It's like every thread...it devolves into this discussion. But whatever, obviously people want to talk about it.