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AndyB
01-08-2007, 06:24 PM
We will be offering the Warehouse 5, Volume 6 CD of live DMB songs to members that have been with the Warehouse for three years or less and the Warehouse 8, Volume 3 CD of live DMB songs to members that have been with the Warehouse for four years or longer! The track listing for the Warehouse 5 and 8 CD is as follows:

1. Hello Again
8.24.04 / Cricket Pavilion / Phoenix, AZ

2. Steady As We Go
7.30.05 / Randall's Island / New York, NY

3. Lie In Our Graves
4.8.95 / McAllister Field House / Charleston, SC

4. Pay For What You Get
9.27.94 / UVA Amphitheater / Charlottesville, VA

5. Don't Burn the Pig
7.30.2003 / Sleep Train Amphitheater / Marysville, CA

**************************

6. Little Thing
10.24.1996 / Frank Erwin Center / Austin, TX

7. #36
4.8.95 / McAllister Field House / Charleston, SC

8. Granny
8.31.93 / Trax Night Club / Charlottesville, VA

bsan83
01-08-2007, 06:25 PM
Woah is that a random list. That's great to see half of it from 95 and before. :upyours

zetto
01-08-2007, 06:26 PM
lots of old stuff there - maybe there is someone listening at the Warehouse after all.....

Mersh
01-08-2007, 06:26 PM
random dates, but minus Steady pretty good.

Mersh
01-08-2007, 06:27 PM
2 from 4.8.95

BeQuietAndDrive
01-08-2007, 06:28 PM
This is awful.

I've been in attendance for one song on each of the past two discs, and they're Jimi and Steady :boohoo

kaisek
01-08-2007, 06:28 PM
Steady?? ughh...

Nice to see a trax track on there.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:28 PM
Just scanned this over real quick, and DAMN glad to see some stuff from '95

spruce
01-08-2007, 06:28 PM
Very solid; '93, '94...that has got to bode well for the LT series...

ethaxton
01-08-2007, 06:29 PM
Hell yeah, I get a Warehouse 8 this year.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:29 PM
So glad to see them go back to '93, hopefully this means we'll see a late '93 release or '94 release sometime soon :upyours :upyours

bsan83
01-08-2007, 06:30 PM
Much better order too -- putting the older tracks as the extra 3, rather than putting Everyday songs there.

Nice work, WH folks. :upyours

nogerorob
01-08-2007, 06:30 PM
Don't forget the other part of that announcement--dmb's communist dictator "Fidel " Hat.
http://images.musictoday.com/stores/images/dmb/liveseries7/DMCH48.jpg

ethaxton
01-08-2007, 06:30 PM
This is awful.

I've been in attendance for one song on each of the past two discs, and they're Jimi and Steady :boohoo

That was a damn good Jimi though.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:31 PM
No need for Hello Again and Steady, but I'm happy about the selection

BeQuietAndDrive
01-08-2007, 06:31 PM
If I remember correctly, that Hello Again is nasty.

sdaltons
01-08-2007, 06:31 PM
this is a pretty good disc. i'm impressed after what happened last year...

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:31 PM
Who's fucking pumped for another #36? :banana :banana :banana

Smylie
01-08-2007, 06:31 PM
I dont remember when i joined. I know i got tickets through the WH to the D+T tour though, so i gotta final get the good CD right?

Mersh
01-08-2007, 06:32 PM
Much better order too -- putting the older tracks as the extra 3, rather than putting Everyday songs there.

Nice work, WH folks. :upyours

While I'm sure we will end up skipping one year's package, yeah...can't really complain here.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:32 PM
Finally another Roi solo Graves too :upyours

bsan83
01-08-2007, 06:32 PM
No need for Hello Again and Steady, but I'm happy about the selection

Agreed on Steady (real surprised the obligatory Stand Up tune wasn't Die Trying), but Hello Again can be included wherever and whenever they want.

ethaxton
01-08-2007, 06:32 PM
I'm glad they went with an '04 HA over an '05. The intro was nice in '04 and I liked the feel of the song a lot more.

Mersh
01-08-2007, 06:32 PM
Who's fucking pumped for another #36? :banana :banana :banana

a 95 one too

shadowraven
01-08-2007, 06:33 PM
93 & 94, that's awesome.

now if they'd only release 4.7.95 in full. they definitely could it seems.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:33 PM
Agreed on Steady (real surprised the obligatory Stand Up tune wasn't Die Trying), but Hello Again can be included wherever and whenever they want.

Stand Up Bonus is all I need. But yea I mean, its not an overly released song, so its not a bad choice by any means, just could do without it is all

mynameisdon
01-08-2007, 06:33 PM
:upyours

zetto
01-08-2007, 06:33 PM
Finally another Roi solo Graves too :upyours


:upyours

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:34 PM
a 95 one too

Exactly, if it was 99 or 00 itd be a waste


I'm going to absolutely love this Graves too. Nice to see they went back for this one


Anyone even heard 4/8/95? What an overlooked tour

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:34 PM
Kills me they were so close to 41 Police on 4/7/95 :lol

BeQuietAndDrive
01-08-2007, 06:35 PM
Overall, I'm pretty pleased with this.

GreyStHokie
01-08-2007, 06:35 PM
thats a great disc..very happy with that

GreyStHokie
01-08-2007, 06:36 PM
Don't forget the other part of that announcement--dmb's communist dictator "Fidel " Hat.
http://images.musictoday.com/stores/images/dmb/liveseries7/DMCH48.jpg

yeah..uh..what the fuck

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:37 PM
Does Dave fuck up this Pig badly? Or is that Spoon that night? I forget, I have the board around here somewhere

BeQuietAndDrive
01-08-2007, 06:38 PM
Warehouse continues their streak of not repeating a song, by the way. Pretty sweet. Shocked that this is the first LIOG though.

Wescoast
01-08-2007, 06:39 PM
thats actually a great list.

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 06:40 PM
Absolutely fantastic.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:41 PM
God, how great is it to see 4 songs between '93 and '95

Smylie
01-08-2007, 06:41 PM
The real question...will i get a glow in the dark pen or magnet?

fhpantera
01-08-2007, 06:41 PM
7.30.03 What a show!!!

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 06:42 PM
If they won't/can't release pre-'95 show, then I'm perfectly content with them taking random old performances for these WH discs. I'm extremely psyched.

sarge
01-08-2007, 06:42 PM
the recording we have for the 7.30.03 show is so good i would have like to have a song from another show, but I was there....


#36 :upyours

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:42 PM
This Pig has some cool improv, and a slight flub, I got it mixed up with the Spoon that night which I think was way off. But im listening to it now and so far so good. Would have went with a '98 performance but oh well.

Wescoast
01-08-2007, 06:42 PM
God, how great is it to see 4 songs between '93 and '95

really great, and opens up a lot for the live trax series. i always thought we would never get a 93 or 94 show, but now it is certainly possible.

BeQuietAndDrive
01-08-2007, 06:42 PM
the recording we have for the 7.30.03 show is so good i would have like to have a song from another show, but I was there....


#36 :upyours

That STDH is pretty fucking painful. Even moreso than usual.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:43 PM
If they won't/can't release pre-'95 show, then I'm perfectly content with them taking random old performances for these WH discs. I'm extremely psyched.

I'm really, really hoping this is an indication that they will, especially if they came out sounding nice. Cause this is just a tease for me :lol

seekup19
01-08-2007, 06:43 PM
the old dates are a nice touch... but man, i'm just gonna say it. they could have done a little better job on the song selection. hello again and steady are pretty unnecessary. why no die trying on here instead of steady? and i can think of several rarities i'd rather see than little thing. i'm not familiar with this performance, but if it's anything like 12-31-95 it's kind of a bummer.

nice to see some charlottesville shows on there! and this LIOG should be sweet. glad to see they're starting to dig deep into the archives.

EDIT: but still, not much to really complain about here. only minor qualms. thanks warehouse... nice work.

sdaltons
01-08-2007, 06:43 PM
Should have picked Crazy-Easy instead of HA on 8.24.04 and YMDT instead of SAWG on 7.30.05. Other than that, no complaints.

spruce
01-08-2007, 06:43 PM
7.30.03 What a show!!!

A bit interesting that they choose a second track from this show for this series as well...

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 06:43 PM
I'm really, really hoping this is an indication that they will, especially if they came out sounding nice. Cause this is just a tease for me :lol

Especially putting two tracks up from the same show. Maybe 4/8/95 was in contention for a release.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:44 PM
the old dates are a nice touch... but man, i'm just gonna say it. they could have done a little better job on the song selection. hello again and steady are pretty unnecessary. why no die trying on here instead of steady? and i can think of several rarities i'd rather see than little thing. i'm not familiar with this performance, but if it's anything like 12-31-95 it's kind of a bummer.

nice to see some charlottesville shows on there! and this LIOG should be sweet. glad to see they're starting to dig deep into the archives.

Little thing is solo, which is a nice mix up, the only thing I remember from the show is that Water/Wine though

dmb8021
01-08-2007, 06:44 PM
looks like a random, diverse group of songs, so I can't really complain

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:45 PM
Especially putting two tracks up from the same show. Maybe 4/8/95 was in contention for a release.

Perhaps, so close to 4/7 :boohoo :lol

Smylie
01-08-2007, 06:45 PM
the old dates are a nice touch... but man, i'm just gonna say it. they could have done a little better job on the song selection. hello again and steady are pretty unnecessary. why no die trying on here instead of steady? and i can think of several rarities i'd rather see than little thing. i'm not familiar with this performance, but if it's anything like 12-31-95 it's kind of a bummer.

nice to see some charlottesville shows on there! and this LIOG should be sweet. glad to see they're starting to dig deep into the archives.

Little Thing is Dave solo and damn good if i remember correctly. That show has one odd encore(Little Thing/Watchtower, but both solo)

BeQuietAndDrive
01-08-2007, 06:45 PM
That Little Thing is Dave Solo, by the way.

Interesting choice.

kern
01-08-2007, 06:46 PM
nice.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:46 PM
Just in general, very glad they went to Spring '95, that whole tour is fantastic

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 06:46 PM
the old dates are a nice touch... but man, i'm just gonna say it. they could have done a little better job on the song selection. hello again and steady are pretty unnecessary. why no die trying on here instead of steady? and i can think of several rarities i'd rather see than little thing. i'm not familiar with this performance, but if it's anything like 12-31-95 it's kind of a bummer.

They're covering the entire catalog, so we'll see the rest soon enough(ie; Blue Water, WWYS, Watchtower, etc..).

I think the selection is fabulous, if NOTHING else for the simple fact that no one even came an inch close to predicting this tracklisting. I love when they keep us on our toes like this, and through it all, we end up with some gems.

Kerwin
01-08-2007, 06:46 PM
really nice list

ive been sending masks to the warehouse, i hope they include them in this years package.

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 06:46 PM
Looks great, but it's ridiculous that they chose HA and SAWG. They're smarter than that, and they've shown it with the past few releases. Oh well.

Kerwin
01-08-2007, 06:47 PM
Looks great, but it's ridiculous that they chose HA and SAWG. They're smarter than that, and they've shown it with the past few releases. Oh well.

i agree with most. crazy easy would have been nice.

but maaayyybe it will be on the new album. lets hope.

seekup19
01-08-2007, 06:47 PM
Should have picked Crazy-Easy instead of HA on 8.24.04 and YMDT instead of SAWG on 7.30.05. Other than that, no complaints.
second. although a 2006 YMDT would be better.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:47 PM
They're covering the entire catalog, so we'll see the rest soon enough(ie; Blue Water, WWYS, Watchtower, etc..).

I think the selection is fabulous, if NOTHING else for the simple fact that no one even came an inch close to predicting this tracklisting. I love when they keep us on our toes like this, and through it all, we end up with some gems.

Yea, I was thinking, though its always great to get something that the whole community has in mind, this is great to get solid performances out of left feild that aren't well known. You cant go wrong when you go that far back

bsan83
01-08-2007, 06:47 PM
Nevermind versions, I only guessed one song right for this release (Lie in Our Graves). Very nice surprise, indeed.

And again, they can feel free to put Hello Again on any release they so please.

BeQuietAndDrive
01-08-2007, 06:47 PM
I'm really surprised to see all the complaining for the selection of Hello Again. I'd rather have this Hello Again than another generic Pig (i.e. not winter 98 or BVJ version).

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:48 PM
.

but maaayyybe it will be on the new album. lets hope.

yea, but this is no indication of that

spruce
01-08-2007, 06:48 PM
the recording we have for the 7.30.03 show is so good i would have like to have a song from another show, but I was there....


#36 :upyours

Really ? The ASBD is awful...or at least awfully flat, IMO and the aud is 'not bad'...if Dreaming Tree was a benchmark to go off from what the band's source sounds like, this will sound wonderful. :)

sdaltons
01-08-2007, 06:48 PM
Should have picked Crazy-Easy instead of HA on 8.24.04 and YMDT instead of SAWG on 7.30.05. Other than that, no complaints.
ok, one more: should have replaced Granny with Spotlight from the same show. :D

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 06:48 PM
I'm really surprised to see all the complaining for the selection of Hello Again. I'd rather have this Hello Again than another generic Pig (i.e. not winter 98 or BVJ version).But we have like the best HA from the '04 tour on the SU Bonus Disc.

seekup19
01-08-2007, 06:49 PM
They're covering the entire catalog, so we'll see the rest soon enough(ie; Blue Water, WWYS, Watchtower, etc..).

I think the selection is fabulous, if NOTHING else for the simple fact that no one even came an inch close to predicting this tracklisting. I love when they keep us on our toes like this, and through it all, we end up with some gems.
yeah. me too.

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 06:49 PM
Maybe I will actually receive a package this year.

bsan83
01-08-2007, 06:50 PM
I'm really surprised to see all the complaining for the selection of Hello Again. I'd rather have this Hello Again than another generic Pig (i.e. not winter 98 or BVJ version).

"Generic" Pig is still fucking great.

kaisek
01-08-2007, 06:50 PM
Should have picked Crazy-Easy instead of HA on 8.24.04 and YMDT instead of SAWG on 7.30.05. Other than that, no complaints.

:upyours

BeQuietAndDrive
01-08-2007, 06:50 PM
"Generic" Pig is still fucking great.

Well, of course.

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 06:50 PM
Maybe I will actually receive a package this year.

You've gotta hit puberty first, Alex.

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 06:51 PM
2003 got a lot of love this year in terms of releases.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:51 PM
though not AS big of a deal now because of LT 5...



Pay For What You Get

:upyours :banana

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 06:51 PM
You've got hit puberty first, Alex.Ha, you are almost as funny ahttp://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b160/studog2961/mencia.jpg

Smylie
01-08-2007, 06:51 PM
I'd pay good money, like as much as $35, for a 1995 #36

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 06:52 PM
I'd pay good money, like as much as $35, for a 1995 #36

:upyours :upyours

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:52 PM
Granny should be nice considering there were apparently so many people there that night

sdaltons
01-08-2007, 06:53 PM
I'm really surprised to see all the complaining for the selection of Hello Again. I'd rather have this Hello Again than another generic Pig (i.e. not winter 98 or BVJ version).
fine then replace that pig with STDH from the same show. so I've changed it to:

1. Crazy-Easy 8.24.04
2. You Might Die Trying 7.30.05
3. Lie In Our Graves 4.8.95
4. Pay For What You Get 9.27.94
5. Sleep To Dream Her 7.30.03
--------------------------------
6. Little Thing 10.24.96
7. #36 4.8.95
8. Spotlight 8.31.93

Of course, I'm just kidding. I still want them to officially release every song at least once, but this is a pretty cool disc even though it doesn't get them any closer to that goal.

Its cool that its so random and old, so good job Warehouse.

GreyStHokie
01-08-2007, 06:53 PM
so who is going to be awesome and upload some of these songs?

Tomacco
01-08-2007, 06:53 PM
I'll take it. Though it wasn't what I was looking for (GGT, So Right, YMDT, Crazy Easy, KTK, Shotgun, SUAD).

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 06:53 PM
so who is going to be awesome and upload some of these songs?:whatever

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 06:54 PM
I'll take it. Though it wasn't what I was looking for (GGT, So Right, YMDT, Crazy Easy, KTK, Shotgun, SUAD).This is what I am saddest about.

Smylie
01-08-2007, 06:55 PM
This is what I am saddest about.

why would they release a song thats going to be on their next album?

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:55 PM
so who is going to be awesome and upload some of these songs?

I think im going to wait to hear the ones I havent heard yet.

bsan83
01-08-2007, 06:56 PM
Who cares that some of the songs we had in mind aren't on there? The ones they chose are, by and large, great.

spruce
01-08-2007, 06:56 PM
Does anyone actually really want Spotlight to be on one of these discs ? Doesn't seem to be that we would benefit from a mastered version that much...in a full LT show, sure, all for that.

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 06:56 PM
a few thoughts, if they would've released 4.8.95 as an LT, I would've driven to CVille overnight and started blasting fools. no 40, no 41. I like these two song picks. I really like the crisp 8 minute LIOGs, and this #36 is a treat.

I would've preferred a Crazy Easy and all over Hello Again, but I find it laughable for someone to say it didn't feel right in '05. The intro I get. But that song was just as good in 05 as in 04, for the most part it was more intense in 05. But because it was no longer unreleased (if you know what I'm saying) it's not as good.

The 2 older tracks are really cool, but I still wouldn't hold my breath for a release. Especially the '94s, which have the 60m DAT drop outs. You don't seem to notice it as much on '93s. I have no idea why that is. Anyone? Did they go from 90m DATs to 60m DATs? That doesn't make much sense, but it seems true enough.

Scott I definitely have to agree with Tom. You listen to the CP bonus Dreaming Tree, then put in the great AUD or the SBD and there's such a huge difference. The best AUD is still less than 75% as nice sounding as a well mixed release. see 8.27 and 8.29.00 for proof of that. Those AUDs are incredible, and they pale.

I'm hyped. I don't mind Steady, but people are going to have to get used to a track they don't like when they put 6 that you do like, and they aren't repeating.

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 06:57 PM
why would they release a song thats going to be on their next album?:dunno

Smylie
01-08-2007, 06:57 PM
I agree Bill, for the WH its a great list. really the only song i hoped for was Rhyme and Reason from Cville...and i've learned that anything i really want isnt going to show up

Tomacco
01-08-2007, 06:57 PM
why would they release a song thats going to be on their next album?

I won't consider that as fact until I see the new album's tracklisting.

Besides, Can't Stop, IOY, and Break Free are already on an official release.

Babbit
01-08-2007, 06:58 PM
i agree with most. crazy easy would have been nice.

but maaayyybe it will be on the new album. lets hope.

:lol

Yeah. That must be why it's not on this disc.

seekup19
01-08-2007, 06:59 PM
a few thoughts, if they would've released 4.8.95 as an LT, I would've driven to CVille overnight and started blasting fools. no 40, no 41. I like these two song picks. I really like the crisp 8 minute LIOGs, and this #36 is a treat.

I would've preferred a Crazy Easy and all over Hello Again, but I find it laughable for someone to say it didn't feel right in '05. The intro I get. But that song was just as good in 05 as in 04, for the most part it was more intense in 05. But because it was no longer unreleased (if you know what I'm saying) it's not as good.

The 2 older tracks are really cool, but I still wouldn't hold my breath for a release. Especially the '94s, which have the 60m DAT drop outs. You don't seem to notice it as much on '93s. I have no idea why that is. Anyone? Did they go from 90m DATs to 60m DATs? That doesn't make much sense, but it seems true enough.

Scott I definitely have to agree with Tom. You listen to the CP bonus Dreaming Tree, then put in the great AUD or the SBD and there's such a huge difference. The best AUD is still less than 75% as nice sounding as a well mixed release. see 8.27 and 8.29.00 for proof of that. Those AUDs are incredible, and they pale.

I'm hyped. I don't mind Steady, but people are going to have to get used to a track they don't like when they put 6 that you do like, and they aren't repeating.
60m drop outs? please explain for all our benefit!

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 06:59 PM
I'll take it. Though it wasn't what I was looking for (GGT, So Right, YMDT, Crazy Easy, KTK, Shotgun, SUAD).

you're going to see KTK and Shotgun (and please for the love of God Crazy Easy) as live versions on the bonus disc of the new album to compliment the studio versions.

bsan83
01-08-2007, 06:59 PM
a few thoughts, if they would've released 4.8.95 as an LT, I would've driven to CVille overnight and started blasting fools. no 40, no 41. I like these two song picks. I really like the crisp 8 minute LIOGs, and this #36 is a treat.

I would've preferred a Crazy Easy and all over Hello Again, but I find it laughable for someone to say it didn't feel right in '05. The intro I get. But that song was just as good in 05 as in 04, for the most part it was more intense in 05. But because it was no longer unreleased (if you know what I'm saying) it's not as good.

The 2 older tracks are really cool, but I still wouldn't hold my breath for a release. Especially the '94s, which have the 60m DAT drop outs. You don't seem to notice it as much on '93s. I have no idea why that is. Anyone? Did they go from 90m DATs to 60m DATs? That doesn't make much sense, but it seems true enough.

Scott I definitely have to agree with Tom. You listen to the CP bonus Dreaming Tree, then put in the great AUD or the SBD and there's such a huge difference. The best AUD is still less than 75% as nice sounding as a well mixed release. see 8.27 and 8.29.00 for proof of that. Those AUDs are incredible, and they pale.

I'm hyped. I don't mind Steady, but people are going to have to get used to a track they don't like when they put 6 that you do like, and they aren't repeating.

Yeah, this part in particular confuses the hell out of me. Hello Again was fucking nasty in '05, just as it was in '04. Here's hoping it makes its return to the rotation ASAP.

And if you're right about KTK, et. al., I'm finding where Haunted Hollow is around here and hugging them.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 06:59 PM
Great point about 4/8/95 would be a waste of an overall release, but they definately picked the right individual tracks to release :upyours

sdaltons
01-08-2007, 07:00 PM
I agree Bill, for the WH its a great list. really the only song i hoped for was Rhyme and Reason from Cville...and i've learned that anything i really want isnt going to show up
also no repeats

Crush87
01-08-2007, 07:00 PM
Man, for such a bad weekend, Randall's '05 sure gets love from the warehouse

Strugz10
01-08-2007, 07:01 PM
I'm a big fan (realizing that it won't be exactly what I want).

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 07:01 PM
Great point about 4/8/95 would be a waste of an overall release, but they definately picked the right individual tracks to release :upyours

:upyours

bsan83
01-08-2007, 07:01 PM
I agree Bill, for the WH its a great list. really the only song i hoped for was Rhyme and Reason from Cville...and i've learned that anything i really want isnt going to show up

Yeah that would make a GREAT bonus disc or WH5 track some day. That kicked our asses hard. :upyours

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 07:01 PM
60m drop outs? please explain for all our benefit!

ever notice in August and September 94 shows that there's a long drop out right at the 2 hour mark? That's because Bagby used 60m DATs instead of 90m and he had to change tapes. According to the Minarets list they asked him why and he said it is was cheaper, and with as many shows as they played back then, it made a difference. When the master is stopped, all the patches record silence also.

That means DMB has no complete masters of these particular shows that contain the big drop outs. 8/13/94, 9/27/94 and 9/28/94 included.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 07:03 PM
And this brings up a great point as to why 4/7/95 needs to be released and how happy I am to see that with any luck they have April '95 in mind. Being the first part of the show is missing, the tape we have sucks, that 41 is one of the best things theyve ever done, plus the #40, it doesnt get much better

seekup19
01-08-2007, 07:04 PM
ever notice in August and September 94 shows that there's a long drop out right at the 2 hour mark? That's because Bagby used 60m DATs instead of 90m and he had to change tapes. According to the Minarets list they asked him why and he said it is was cheaper, and with as many shows as they played back then, it made a difference. When the master is stopped, all the patches record silence also.

That means DMB has no complete masters of these particular shows that contain the big drop outs. 8/13/94, 9/27/94 and 9/28/94 included.
oh that's what you're talking about. i get it. 60 meters of tape you mean, not 60 minutes. nevermind. thanks!

Smylie
01-08-2007, 07:04 PM
3/23/93 has some big drop outs as well right?

Crush87
01-08-2007, 07:04 PM
That means DMB has no complete masters of these particular shows that contain the big drop outs. 8/13/94, 9/27/94 and 9/28/94 included.

That is so incredibly fucked up.

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 07:05 PM
Yeah, this part in particular confuses the hell out of me. Hello Again was fucking nasty in '05, just as it was in '04. Here's hoping it makes its return to the rotation ASAP.

And if you're right about KTK, et. al., I'm finding where Haunted Hollow is around here and hugging them.The '04 Hello Agains (especially during the middle of the tour) were much more ponderous and weighty. In 2005, Hello Again was much lighter and faster. I liked it when it was heavy and a little slower.

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 07:05 PM
I agree Bill, for the WH its a great list. really the only song i hoped for was Rhyme and Reason from Cville...and i've learned that anything i really want isnt going to show up


except for the last Live Trax release, right? That's either a.) you didn't really want 12.31.36, or b.) you have the standard DMB message board fan's short memory.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 07:05 PM
The '04 Hello Agains (especially during the middle of the tour) were much more ponderous and weighty. In 2005, Hello Again was much lighter and faster. I liked it when it was heavy and a little slower.

Same. definately

bsan83
01-08-2007, 07:06 PM
The '04 Hello Agains (especially during the middle of the tour) were much more ponderous and weighty. In 2005, Hello Again was much lighter and faster. I liked it when it was heavy and a little slower.

Fair enough. I like how hard the '05 ones rocked, and I don't think it compromised the song at all (a la 2-verse Grey Street).

seekup19
01-08-2007, 07:06 PM
That is so incredibly fucked up.
hey, at least they still recorded everything, even back then when they were poor as dirt. it'll really be interesting to hear how these 2 channel recordings turn out when the instrument mix can't be adjusted.

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 07:07 PM
Fair enough. I like how hard the '05 ones rocked, and I don't think it compromised the song at all (a la 2-verse Grey Street).Agree to disagree! <3

Smylie
01-08-2007, 07:07 PM
except for the last Live Trax release, right? That's either a.) you didn't really want 12.31.36, or b.) you have the standard DMB message board fan's short memory.

I didn't realize the WH releases the live trax CDs...and as someone who has never bought one, i guess i didnt care that much. But 12-31-96 is a great show

seekup19
01-08-2007, 07:08 PM
I didn't realize the WH releases the live trax CDs...and as someone who has never bought one, i guess i didnt care that much. But 12-31-96 is a great show
correction: it's a fuckin awesome show.

Crush87
01-08-2007, 07:08 PM
hey, at least they still recorded everything, even back then when they were poor as dirt. it'll really be interesting to hear how these 2 channel recordings turn out when the instrument mix can't be adjusted.

I'll probably like them better than multi-track. Cant screw around with much when you only have 2 channels, I like that.

I mean, I think Red Rocks is the best sounding release by the band. I know they had whatshisname in the truck mixing, but it still sounds great regardless

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 07:08 PM
hey, at least they still recorded everything, even back then when they were poor as dirt. it'll really be interesting to hear how these 2 channel recordings turn out when the instrument mix can't be adjusted.

They'll sound great. Aug '93 was the recording month for Remember 2 Things.

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 07:09 PM
3/23/93 has some big drop outs as well right?

did the new DSBD that came out a year or so ago have the same problems? I know it had some serious volumes issues, but I thought it was complete. Although... now that I think about it... they might've still used 60m and switched at set break, while in Summer 94 they stopped with the set breaks for the most part. But I can't believe that would be cheaper than using 90m. We need Mark Lynn in here or some shit.

seekup19
01-08-2007, 07:09 PM
They'll sound great. Aug '93 was the recording month for Remember 2 Things.
but are we sure they didn't multitrack those particular performances in anticipation of recording R2T?

John Chimpo
01-08-2007, 07:09 PM
great slections

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 07:10 PM
but are we sure they didn't multitrack those particular performances in anticipation of recording R2T?

Maybe they did, and maybe they did with 2/22/94(Recently EP - Halloween/Watchtower), which sounds amazing for a cleaned up '94 SBD. I think we'll be pleased either way.

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 07:10 PM
I didn't realize the WH releases the live trax CDs...and as someone who has never bought one, i guess i didnt care that much. But 12-31-96 is a great show

the people who make the decisions are all the same people, just released in different ways.

seekup19
01-08-2007, 07:12 PM
the people who make the decisions are all the same people, just released in different ways.
yup. warehouse people are livetrax people... they're both DMB management, not RCA.

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 07:12 PM
that's what I said

seekup19
01-08-2007, 07:13 PM
this is the liveliest discussion i think we've ever had on this board. already on page 7. this is nice. i am really looking forward to stuff like this again... these discussions never took off very well at ufck. this reminds me so much of ML.

seekup19
01-08-2007, 07:14 PM
that's what I said
i was just agreeing with you.

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 07:15 PM
7 different years represented on this disc...that's incredible.

GreyStHokie
01-08-2007, 07:16 PM
:whatever
well i was serious.

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 07:19 PM
i was just agreeing with you.

oh right on. Trying to do a news update for the site and checking here from time to time, so I was slightly off kilter.

Cardinal
01-08-2007, 07:21 PM
Steady as we fucking go?

Babbit
01-08-2007, 07:22 PM
Steady as we fucking go?

Really?

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 07:27 PM
Steady as we fucking go?

again. They have released now 39 songs, 39 different songs. It looks like this trend will continue of different songs. If you want to keep getting songs you like, there's going to be a song or two you don't on each disc. This is not rocket science.

Fan#41
01-08-2007, 07:28 PM
I don't think I've ever listened to this performance of Steady. I actually really enjoy the Storytellers performance.

carter
01-08-2007, 07:31 PM
7 different years represented on this disc...that's incredible.

:upyours

Pete
01-08-2007, 07:41 PM
Steady as we fucking go?
Calvin's officially gone and the Dolphins are talking with Gailey. Interesting days.

[/hijack]

alexbunke
01-08-2007, 07:41 PM
well i was serious.Sorry for being hard on you.

urth
01-08-2007, 07:44 PM
1. Hello Again
8.24.04 / Cricket Pavilion / Phoenix, AZ


i forgot all about that show...i guess getting one song from the sound board is still better than no aud recording

7 different years represented on this disc...that's incredible.

:upyours

Crush87
01-08-2007, 07:46 PM
Sorry for being hard on you.

Ha ha. I get it.

akleiner34
01-08-2007, 07:55 PM
I am glad to see that someone is cognizant of what we would like to see released. Im talking the pre 96 stuff:upyours:upyours

GreyStHokie
01-08-2007, 08:01 PM
someone has some mp3s around right?

greykitkat36
01-08-2007, 08:01 PM
Pretty Good Disc..Can't wait for a good SBD #36 again.

lude
01-08-2007, 08:06 PM
Gorgeous. Can't wait to listen to this next year.

Poth Ead
01-08-2007, 08:13 PM
if that's the track list, it's nice... except Pig... we have a SBD of that show :bitchslap otherwise, I likey likey :upyours :upyours

Mersh
01-08-2007, 08:16 PM
if that's the track list, it's nice... except Pig... we have a SBD of that show :bitchslap otherwise, I likey likey :upyours :upyours

Meh, we have a SBD, but its not like it was an official release.

Poth Ead
01-08-2007, 08:20 PM
Meh, we have a SBD, but its not like it was an official release.

I understand... I was just hoping they'd pick a Pig from '98 or '99... still, the track selection is pretty nice. I'm very happy about the Little Thing and #36 choices

AndyB
01-08-2007, 08:47 PM
If I remember correctly, that Hello Again is nasty.

Unless you were there, you don't remember at all. No tape of the show has ever shown up :( (except a partial vid-rip, apparently)

AndyB
01-08-2007, 08:48 PM
Although I'm not thrilled about the choice of Steady As We Go, I am excited that they appear to be trying to mix it up a lot, which means our chances for random shit like Get In Line, an old school #34, and Crazy-Easy go up. And picking 8 songs from 7 years is really impressive, especially to go all the way back to 8/93.

pgr17
01-08-2007, 08:52 PM
sweet... though i'm hoping they do something special for the 10th anniversary of the WH. i mean for the people that signed up first that year :)

it is also pretty awesome to see such random dates for the songs. it is just mind-blowing to think of all that is in their vault.

Poth Ead
01-08-2007, 09:02 PM
going into the vault like that kinda gets me thinking again about what the next LiveTRAX is going to be... :upyours

pgr17
01-08-2007, 09:06 PM
it is too bad #40 or #41 didn't make it from 4/7/95... i would have LOVED to have a clean SBD of those two songs...

you know, i wouldn't mind 10/24/96 being release - what a set!

#41
Say Goodbye
Lie In Our Graves
The Song That Jane Likes
Two Step
Rhyme & Reason
Jimi Thing
So Much To Say >
Anyone Seen The Bridge >
Too Much
Crash Into Me
Dancing Nancies >
Warehouse
Recently >
Water/Wine Jam >
Typical Situation
Tripping Bilies
---
Little Thing
Watchtower

TRDW
01-08-2007, 09:14 PM
Yea this is really good. The extra 3 tracks are really solid. Two "rarities" in Little Thing and #36 and then a Granny from 93. I am really looking forward to this. SAWG is totally out of place on here though.

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 09:17 PM
it is too bad #40 or #41 didn't make it from 4/7/95... i would have LOVED to have a clean SBD of those two songs...

you know, i wouldn't mind 10/24/96 being release - what a set!

#41
Say Goodbye
Lie In Our Graves
The Song That Jane Likes
Two Step
Rhyme & Reason
Jimi Thing
So Much To Say >
Anyone Seen The Bridge >
Too Much
Crash Into Me
Dancing Nancies >
Warehouse
Recently >
Water/Wine Jam >
Typical Situation
Tripping Bilies
---
Little Thing
Watchtower

an evil Water / Wine Jam no less

urth
01-08-2007, 09:33 PM
Unless you were there, you don't remember at all. No tape of the show has ever shown up :( (except a partial vid-rip, apparently)

there's a dvd...i think it's missing the first two songs...but other than that complete

celluloid hero
01-08-2007, 09:34 PM
there's a dvd...i think it's missing the first two songs...but other than that complete

aka... partial vid-rip

pgr17
01-08-2007, 09:44 PM
strange that another song from 7/30/03 is released.

slugmother
01-08-2007, 09:49 PM
wow that looks NICE. is boyd awful on that pig though? i don't remember

and yeah steady as we go is pretty lame

Zamboni Guy
01-08-2007, 09:51 PM
...if Dreaming Tree was a benchmark to go off from what the band's source sounds like, this will sound wonderful. :)

Could not agree more. It would be so terrific if Pig sounds as good as DT from the CP Bonus.

Spo777
01-08-2007, 10:41 PM
Can't wait for that Carter intro to that old school #36.

nolan8or
01-08-2007, 10:44 PM
is there any way for me to get the warehouse 8 cd because ive only been a member for 2 years so i'll only get the warehouse 5 i think

Rowsdower
01-08-2007, 10:46 PM
strange that another song from 7/30/03 is released.

And 7-30-05...hmmm.

sarge
01-08-2007, 10:54 PM
just listened to 7.30.03 this past weekend....great show

Rowsdower
01-08-2007, 10:58 PM
just listened to 7.30.03 this past weekend....great show

Eh. It has a great setlist, but I don't really care for most of the performances.

TRDW
01-08-2007, 10:59 PM
Can't wait for that Carter intro to that old school #36.

I might have to throw in L@RR for that very reason

dmb2much40
01-08-2007, 11:07 PM
teriffic disc. i'm really pumped about the old granny/#36, and i'll take PFWYG any day of the week. it's really great they're going so far back. i honestly thought this was a fake listing :lol

pgr17
01-08-2007, 11:11 PM
is there any way for me to get the warehouse 8 cd because ive only been a member for 2 years so i'll only get the warehouse 5 i think

download it or buy it off of ebay.

Smittay
01-08-2007, 11:38 PM
wow this disc sucks except for HA and PFWYG

Smittay
01-08-2007, 11:39 PM
how many more live songs do we need ? ????? ?

Behrend
01-08-2007, 11:41 PM
This Granny is only 4:26. . . .

But it's crisp. . .

I think they might include Dave and Boyd talking about "the mailing list" which happens right before Granny. . . cheeky. . .

Behrend
01-08-2007, 11:43 PM
Do you have all the other tracks Smittay? and you've made your decision. . .?

Or do you just not like the songs picked?

pgr17
01-09-2007, 12:05 AM
how many more live songs do we need ? ????? ?

be sure to cancel your WH membership then Smittay and stop buying the Live Trax... or sell your WH8 CD on ebay or gift it to someone... no one is holding a gun to your headwith these "live songs". :nono

i don't get what your beef is this time.

Hopper
01-09-2007, 12:44 AM
This setlist is nice and all, but not to bitch, does DMB really not want some songs released at all? Crazy-Easy, SUAD, Good Good Time to name a couple. I mean, someone has to decide on this, and throw the idea out about SAWG. I know its beating a dead horse, but sometimes I wonder.

On the other hand, it is nice to know they are digging dep into the early years.

pgr17
01-09-2007, 12:56 AM
you should email the WH and ask them what the process is for song selection... who knows, maybe you'll get a worthwhile answer.

sdaltons
01-09-2007, 01:23 AM
This setlist is nice and all, but not to bitch, does DMB really not want some songs released at all? Crazy-Easy, SUAD, Good Good Time to name a couple. I mean, someone has to decide on this, and throw the idea out about SAWG. I know its beating a dead horse, but sometimes I wonder.

On the other hand, it is nice to know they are digging dep into the early years.
But the three songs you listed weren't ever album songs. I think its strange that it took them 5 years to release Mother Father and there is still no STDH, either. Also, YMDT. And when did we get the first officially released PFWYG? That was last year, wasn't it? I don't think there's any method to it all, short of pulling song names from a hat or something. :D

Kerwin
01-09-2007, 01:25 AM
very very good disc

Hopper
01-09-2007, 01:26 AM
But the three songs you listed weren't ever album songs. I think its strange that it took them 5 years to release Mother Father and there is still no STDH, either. Also, YMDT. And when did we get the first officially released PFWYG? That was last year, wasn't it? I don't think there's any method to it all, short of pulling song names from a hat or something. :D

Yeah, good point. I guess I just wish there was a rhyme or reason. We have 267 Jimi Thing's, but zero of some of the songs people really want.

sdaltons
01-09-2007, 01:28 AM
Yeah, good point. I guess I just wish there was a rhyme or reason. We have 267 Jimi Thing's, but zero of some of the songs people really want.
Rhyme and Reason and Jimi Thing were both on the disc last year. And its pretty clear that the WH discs don't repeat songs. If we are gonna get that R&R, its gonna have to be a bonus track or the show will have to be a Live Trax.

As a side note, I'm hoping for a July '04 (like specifically the 16th or another with BOTH Crazy-Easy AND Good Good Time) or a June '00 show (Sweet Up and Down) to be a Live Trax in the near future. I know both of those years have been covered, but they are going to have to start repeating years soon anyway.

Hopper
01-09-2007, 01:48 AM
Rhyme and Reason and Jimi Thing were both on the disc last year. And its pretty clear that the WH discs don't repeat songs. If we are gonna get that R&R, its gonna have to be a bonus track or the show will have to be a Live Trax.

As a side note, I'm hoping for a July '04 (like specifically the 16th or another with BOTH Crazy-Easy AND Good Good Time) or a June '00 show (Sweet Up and Down) to be a Live Trax in the near future. I know both of those years have been covered, but they are going to have to start repeating years soon anyway.


No, sorry, I meant Rhyme or Reason for the selection process, not the song. But yeah, I would love that C-E and GGT. Also, Ive been dying for a SUAD. Even if that came out on another D&F show, I would be happy.

sdaltons
01-09-2007, 01:51 AM
No, sorry, I meant Rhyme or Reason for the selection process, not the song. But yeah, I would love that C-E and GGT. Also, Ive been dying for a SUAD. Even if that came out on another D&F show, I would be happy.
i just reread what you wrote. DOH! Well someone else in this thread mentioned wanting the C-ville R&R released, so that point was directed at that poster.

I'd take a D&F SUAD, but I'd prefer a DMB one.

Hopper
01-09-2007, 02:02 AM
I would too. I almost wish that they would just make a special disc of Live-Unreleased songs. Imagine:

Sweet Up & Down
Crazy Easy
Good Good Time
Hold Me Down
Angel From Montegomery
Blue Water
People People
Shotgun
Kill The King
For The Beauty Of Wynona


That would be to die for.

sdaltons
01-09-2007, 02:04 AM
You'd have to throw STDH and YMDT on there, just to cover everything. But yeah, that'd be fantastic.

celluloid hero
01-09-2007, 02:13 AM
I would too. I almost wish that they would just make a special disc of Live-Unreleased songs. Imagine:

Sweet Up & Down
Crazy Easy
Good Good Time
Hold Me Down
Angel From Montegomery
Blue Water
People People
Shotgun
Kill The King
For The Beauty Of Wynona


That would be to die for.

They're doing different songs every year. If they did a disc like, you'd be bitching to eternity about discs full of Stand Up and ED crap every year because all the good songs are used up

sdaltons
01-09-2007, 02:15 AM
They're doing different songs every year. If they did a disc like, you'd be bitching to eternity about discs full of Stand Up and ED crap every year because all the good songs are used up
i'm not sure he meant for that disc to be a WH disc. just an extra special bonus for the fans some year

AndyB
01-09-2007, 02:49 AM
I would too. I almost wish that they would just make a special disc of Live-Unreleased songs. Imagine:

Angel From Montegomery
For The Beauty Of Wynona


I'm not sure covers count as "live unreleased," unless of course Dave wrote those songs too, like he did Watchtower.

Hopper
01-09-2007, 03:05 AM
I'm not sure covers count as "live unreleased," unless of course Dave wrote those songs too, like he did Watchtower.

Covers would be awesome too. I mean, Watchtower, Cortez, Exodus and Long Black Veil are great songs too.

Pete
01-09-2007, 05:23 AM
I doubt we'll ever see a cover song on a Warehouse disc - or any bonus disc - just because of royalties. Granted they're not charging for the disc itself but it's still not free for them to use, hence the Warehouse would be cutting into its profit margin$.

GreyStHokie
01-09-2007, 08:54 AM
if the warehouse keeps up with the no repeats stuff in a few years we'll be in for some real treats for songs..counting this year, we're up to 39 tracks released via Warehouse discs already

Smittay
01-09-2007, 08:58 AM
be sure to cancel your WH membership then Smittay and stop buying the Live Trax... or sell your WH8 CD on ebay or gift it to someone... no one is holding a gun to your headwith these "live songs". :nono

i don't get what your beef is this time.

its just, i have so many live good versions of songs... why didnt they do some kind of DVD 5 song disc? answer: too expensive. would have been nice though for a change.

Mersh
01-09-2007, 09:01 AM
I'd rather have audio than video. I'm going to listen to music much more than I am going to watch it.

onesweetwhirled
01-09-2007, 09:44 AM
All in all, this looks to be a winner of a Warehouse release. Although SAWG is a kick in the balls :( Im sure we all have our own opinions as to what wed like to see released on these special CDs, but to NOT include 6-8-1997s LIOG is a freakin crime!!! Hopefully, the whole show, will, at some point, see an official release. Its just too good to keep locked up. PFWYGmakes this disc a real keeper.

celluloid hero
01-09-2007, 09:59 AM
look at it this way. if they release 6/8/97 LIOG, they're not releasing the show most likely at any point.

oregon.donor
01-09-2007, 10:45 AM
Warehouse continues their streak of not repeating a song, by the way. Pretty sweet. Shocked that this is the first LIOG though.

and even stacked against what the WH releases vs. what is available on the promos and the rest of the stuff the label puts out, I think the only repeat is the Crush track from the 4-track import "I Did It" promo...its the same track on the WH 5 Vol. 1 cd. Good stuff.

Jack
01-09-2007, 10:56 AM
look at it this way. if they release 6/8/97 LIOG, they're not releasing the most likely at any point.

:confused looking at it that way just confuses the shit out of me.

celluloid hero
01-09-2007, 02:28 PM
:confused looking at it that way just confuses the shit out of me.

I left out the word "show." I was typing while getting ready for work.

Crush87
01-09-2007, 02:30 PM
I want this. Now.

sdaltons
01-09-2007, 02:35 PM
I left out the word "show." I was typing while getting ready for work.
But that isn't true. The 12.8.98 #41 was on WH5V1 and that didn't stop that show from being Live Trax 1. If anything, to me it shows they are thinking about certain shows in particular.

sdaltons
01-09-2007, 02:35 PM
I want this. Now.
.

mynameisdon
01-09-2007, 02:36 PM
look at it this way. if they release 6/8/97 LIOG, they're not releasing the show most likely at any point.

One exception; 12/8/98's #41 came out in 2000 on WHV1; LT1 came out in 2004

edit: too late...:lol

mynameisdon
01-09-2007, 02:38 PM
But that isn't true. The 12.8.98 #41 was on WH5V1 and that didn't stop that show from being Live Trax 1. If anything, to me it shows they are thinking about certain shows in particular.

:upyours

celluloid hero
01-09-2007, 02:57 PM
One exception; 12/8/98's #41 came out in 2000 on WHV1; LT1 came out in 2004

edit: too late...:lol

However, that was before even the concept of releasing older shows was thrown around, and note it hasn't been done since.

zaphod!
01-09-2007, 03:01 PM
steady as we go? :lol :lol :lol what a joke. nice try, dmb management. but slipping that peice of shit song on an otherwise good compilation isnt going to trick anyone into liking that song.

celluloid hero
01-09-2007, 03:03 PM
I feel like maybe I'm the fucking retard here.

every.track.on.every.release.is.different.they're.going.to.g et.to.a.song.or.two.you.don't.like.

for fuck's sake.

zaphod!
01-09-2007, 03:05 PM
I feel like maybe I'm the fucking retard here.

every.track.on.every.release.is.different.they're.going.to.g et.to.a.song.or.two.you.don't.like.

for fuck's sake.
just saying. who here thinks Steady As We Go is a good dmb song?

Jack
01-09-2007, 03:05 PM
I feel like maybe I'm the fucking retard here.

every.track.on.every.release.is.different.they're.going.to.g et.to.a.song.or.two.you.don't.like.

for fuck's sake.

no, the people bitching about sawg are the retards.

Jack
01-09-2007, 03:05 PM
just saying. who here thinks Steady As We Go is a good dmb song?

no one, it's not the point.

celluloid hero
01-09-2007, 03:07 PM
just saying. who here thinks Steady As We Go is a good dmb song?

that's not the point. who hasn't figured this out yet? It's fucking math, and we deal with it every year. There's going to be a song you don't like. If there wasn't, then 2 years from now, there'll be 6 out of 8 songs you don't like. This isn't new, and it's not hard to grasp. They're not "trying to slip" shit on there, they're trying to give a variety of songs.

Crush87
01-09-2007, 03:08 PM
Have we never been able to get a hold of anybody who has access to the archives to ask them what the deal is with respect to releasing shows from before 4.30.96? Because that would just be nice to know once and for all, instead of all the speculation

pgr17
01-09-2007, 03:13 PM
Have we never been able to get a hold of anybody who has access to the archives to ask them what the deal is with respect to releasing shows from before 4.30.96? Because that would just be nice to know once and for all, instead of all the speculation

why don't you email them and ask. i'm not sure anyone here knows someone who has "access to the archives". :lol

FERRALL
01-09-2007, 03:15 PM
Have we never been able to get a hold of anybody who has access to the archives to ask them what the deal is with respect to releasing shows from before 4.30.96? Because that would just be nice to know once and for all, instead of all the speculation

I think that is explained in the description of Live Trax 4. Fans were requesting older shows, so they went back as far as they could. The description says:"The Richmond show was also the show that marks the introduction of multi-track recording on tour." I think the reason 4.30.96 is the earliest they can release is because its the earliest full show that completely recorded.

pgr17
01-09-2007, 03:16 PM
I think that is explained in the description of Live Trax 4. Fans were requesting older shows, so they went back as far as they could. The description says:"The Richmond show was also the show that marks the introduction of multi-track recording on tour." I think the reason 4.30.96 is the earliest they can release is because its the earliest full show that completely recorded.

what about 8/23/95? (LT5)

celluloid hero
01-09-2007, 03:17 PM
what about 8/23/95? (LT5)

my only thought is that was a festival right?

Mersh
01-09-2007, 03:18 PM
I think that is explained in the description of Live Trax 4. Fans were requesting older shows, so they went back as far as they could. The description says:"The Richmond show was also the show that marks the introduction of multi-track recording on tour." I think the reason 4.30.96 is the earliest they can release is because its the earliest full show that completely recorded.

No, they are saying it was the first show where they used multi-track recording.

RR and LT5 are earlier shows.

Crush87
01-09-2007, 03:18 PM
I think that is explained in the description of Live Trax 4. Fans were requesting older shows, so they went back as far as they could. The description says:"The Richmond show was also the show that marks the introduction of multi-track recording on tour." I think the reason 4.30.96 is the earliest they can release is because its the earliest full show that completely recorded.

4/30 was when they started multitracking every show, it is not the oldest show they will go back to release

pgr17
01-09-2007, 03:28 PM
my only thought is that was a festival right?

i was only commenting on the fact that he said it was the earliest show they could release... but they release 8/23/95, 8/15/95 and even 2/06/96. so i don't believe the multi-track has much to do with it. i'm sure they have a lot of earlier shows in full-format (at least the ones that aren't on the dats that you mentioned at one time).

Jack
01-09-2007, 03:49 PM
Mark Lynn was mentioned in this thread, he has said several times that some early shows were multitracked by Alagia. They will eventually release a 93 show, or maybe even a 91 or a 92 show. We already know they were planning the Live At The Floodzone release after Red Rocks, so I can't imagine that not getting out someday.

Crush87
01-09-2007, 03:51 PM
Mark Lynn was mentioned in this thread, he has said several times that some early shows were multitracked by Alagia. They will eventually release a 93 show, or maybe even a 91 or a 92 show. We already know they were planning the Live At The Floodzone release after Red Rocks, so I can't imagine that not getting out someday.

My question was more if that means that all the shows that weren't multitracked are fair game. Was Red Rocks multitracked? I always thought it wasnt, though I know Dan Healy mixed it during the show

Jack
01-09-2007, 04:00 PM
My question was more if that means that all the shows that weren't multitracked are fair game. Was Red Rocks multitracked? I always thought it wasnt, though I know Dan Healy mixed it during the show

Heally multitracked it in a separate mix truck.

Sure, they can release non mulittracked ahows, but they would have to be sans bagby chops.

Crush87
01-09-2007, 04:04 PM
Well I hope these pre '96 choices are indicators of them looking to release some older shows regardless of whether they were multitracked or not

Huff
01-09-2007, 04:37 PM
They're covering the entire catalog, so we'll see the rest soon enough(ie; Blue Water, WWYS, Watchtower, etc..).

I think the selection is fabulous, if NOTHING else for the simple fact that no one even came an inch close to predicting this tracklisting. I love when they keep us on our toes like this, and through it all, we end up with some gems.

I just hope they don't abandon Blue Water, counting that solo tease before JTR as enough.

Huff
01-09-2007, 04:39 PM
I feel like maybe I'm the fucking retard here.

every.track.on.every.release.is.different.they're.going.to.g et.to.a.song.or.two.you.don't.like.

for fuck's sake.

No man...the people who bitch b/c there's ONE song that they don't like on there are retarded. If they're covering the entire catalog eventually...you're going to GET the songs you hate.

simbro
01-09-2007, 04:47 PM
i saw the track listing and i think this is going to be a solid release. cant wait to hear it.

julio_havok
01-09-2007, 05:09 PM
Weird and random track list, but it looks really nice. I love to see all those old versions, specially the 2 C-Ville tracks.

Jack
01-09-2007, 05:17 PM
I just hope they don't abandon Blue Water, counting that solo tease before JTR as enough.

That would bother me. I would really like a professionally mixed one with a Boyd solo.

But, they didn't count the tease as a track, so I don't think they would.

onesweetwhirled
01-09-2007, 05:40 PM
I feel like maybe I'm the fucking retard here.



I think you just might be!

ethaxton
01-09-2007, 05:43 PM
Wow, the comments about SAWG are crazy. Yeah, it's not a good song but wtf. They pull out some oldies and the people bitch because they throw out one sU song for the few thousand people that actually want to hear it :lol

Rowsdower
01-09-2007, 05:45 PM
I think this release is going to be fantastic. I can't wait until September when I actually get it.

FERRALL
01-09-2007, 05:50 PM
No, they are saying it was the first show where they used multi-track recording.

RR and LT5 are earlier shows.

Red Rocks was a planned recording, along with a few DMB and D&T shows all the way back to 1993.

LT5 was a festival and was probably recorded because of that.

But, as far as going back and picking a random date that wasn't a scheduled recording or a festival, those shows weren't taped officially.

FERRALL
01-09-2007, 05:55 PM
I think this release is going to be fantastic. I can't wait until September when I actually get it.

I agree I can deal with Steady for all of the rest of the great stuff were getting.
And I'll take PFWYG and Little Thing any day.

priceofacoke910
01-09-2007, 06:21 PM
and even stacked against what the WH releases vs. what is available on the promos and the rest of the stuff the label puts out, I think the only repeat is the Crush track from the 4-track import "I Did It" promo...its the same track on the WH 5 Vol. 1 cd. Good stuff.
Lover Lay Down from Red Rocks was on a single...Don't Drink the Water maybe?

spruce
01-09-2007, 06:23 PM
Red Rocks was a planned recording, along with a few DMB and D&T shows all the way back to 1993.

LT5 was a festival and was probably recorded because of that.

Well, yeah, we all know all that...

But, as far as going back and picking a random date that wasn't a scheduled recording or a festival, those shows weren't taped officially.

Oh really, how can you/we be so sure of what they do or do not have recorded and what is complete/imcomplete in the archive...we can't.

spruce
01-09-2007, 06:23 PM
I think you just might be!

yeah, no.

pgr17
01-09-2007, 06:41 PM
Red Rocks was a planned recording, along with a few DMB and D&T shows all the way back to 1993.

LT5 was a festival and was probably recorded because of that.

But, as far as going back and picking a random date that wasn't a scheduled recording or a festival, those shows weren't taped officially.

aside from Red Rocks - how do you know all these things for sure?

and what makes a "festival" so different that it should be taped?

FERRALL
01-09-2007, 06:46 PM
Oh really, how can you/we be so sure of what they do or do not have recorded and what is complete/imcomplete in the archive...we can't.

They might have a few exceptions from before then,for instance the D&T show from 1.29.1994, but in terms taping every show, that began on 4.30.1996.

Mersh
01-09-2007, 06:51 PM
But, as far as going back and picking a random date that wasn't a scheduled recording or a festival, those shows weren't taped officially.

What are you basing this on?

So these other tracks from 94, 95, and 93 just happen to be random tracks they did record? My understanding was that they have been recording full shows for quite some time...pre-96.

Mersh
01-09-2007, 06:53 PM
They might have a few exceptions from before then,for instance the D&T show from 1.29.1994, but in terms taping every show, that began on 4.30.1996.

How do you know this? If it is true, then ok...I just want to know the source.

FERRALL
01-09-2007, 07:08 PM
How do you know this? If it is true, then ok...I just want to know the source.

I mean I don't know completely for sure but just look at the evidence:

From the description of Live Trax 4: The Richmond show was also the show that marks the introduction of multi-track recording on tour.

On certain shows, like 1.29.1994, Dave particularly points out that that show was being recorded: He says, "We're recording tonight, for what reason I don't know.." why would he say this at select shows if it happened all the time?

This is what I THINK, if I made it sound like fact, its not fact, just an educated assumption.

Mersh
01-09-2007, 07:12 PM
I mean I don't know completely for sure but just look at the evidence:

From the description of Live Trax 4: The Richmond show was also the show that marks the introduction of multi-track recording on tour.

On certain shows, like 1.29.1994, Dave particularly points out that that show was being recorded: He says, "We're recording tonight, for what reason I don't know.." why would he say this at select shows if it happened all the time?

This is what I THINK, if I made it sound like fact, its not fact, just an educated assumption.

LT4 says first time with multi-track recording. If it was the beginning of them taping shows I think it would say something reflective of that. They are just saying this is when the multi-track recording started. It seems too specific for it to me the beginning of recording period.

As for 1.29.94...yeah DMB shows happened all the time, but D+T shows didn't. That might be why he had that reaction.

I just feel that I have heard or read somewhere that they were recording every show before 96.

sdaltons
01-09-2007, 07:13 PM
I mean I don't know completely for sure but just look at the evidence:

From the description of Live Trax 4: The Richmond show was also the show that marks the introduction of multi-track recording on tour.

On certain shows, like 1.29.1994, Dave particularly points out that that show was being recorded: He says, "We're recording tonight, for what reason I don't know.." why would he say this at select shows if it happened all the time?

This is what I THINK, if I made it sound like fact, its not fact, just an educated assumption.
But multi-track recording is not the only way to record. they began to for the first time that night. it doesn't mean they never recorded anything before that. in fact this has already been discussed a little in this thread, so read back.

Jack
01-09-2007, 07:25 PM
the band was recording every show from almost the beginning. I forget when they got their panasonic 3700, but it was pretty early.

when tapers were recording shows off of the sbd, bagby was almost always lead deck out. that is why there are cuts in a lot of our tapes. he was too busy to flip, so the chain died. he didn't let others change tapes for him.

so, they might not have all complete shows, but they haves tapes from almost every show.

when dave says they were recording, he means multi track, bagby running a dat deck in 94 would not have been news to anyone.

Smokey the Bear
01-09-2007, 07:46 PM
I'm kind of dissapointed not to see any of the 04 or 06 songs on here, but this looks great anyways

bsan83
01-09-2007, 07:47 PM
Well, except for the first song of the disc. :)

Mersh
01-09-2007, 07:47 PM
I'm kind of dissapointed not to see any of the 04 or 06 songs on here, but this looks great anyways

Hello Again dude

Smokey the Bear
01-09-2007, 07:49 PM
I seem to remember alot of praise for this Pig, and I seem to remember people saying Steady wasn't THAT bad at Randall's.

Smokey the Bear
01-09-2007, 07:49 PM
Hello Again dude

You know what I meant.

Mersh
01-09-2007, 07:50 PM
You know what I meant.

I really didn't man, bill even said the same.

Now I'm guessing you meant GGT and CE though...or 06 stuff.

Smokey the Bear
01-09-2007, 07:51 PM
I really didn't man, bill even said the same.

Now I'm guessing you meant GGT and CE though...or 06 stuff.

Right...04 stuff meaning the songs that didn't end up on the 05 album.

Mersh
01-09-2007, 07:53 PM
I seem to remember alot of praise for this Pig, and I seem to remember people saying Steady wasn't THAT bad at Randall's.

Steady not being that bad I don't get. Did the song really vary over the course of the tour. Did any version ever sound different than the one before it? I'm not sure why people would say that (I am sure they did I just don't get it).

Mersh
01-09-2007, 07:53 PM
Right...04 stuff meaning the songs that didn't end up on the 05 album.

Ok, I took 04 stuff to mean everything from 04...the new stuff in 04 I mean.

Smokey the Bear
01-09-2007, 07:54 PM
Steady not being that bad I don't get. Did the song really vary over the course of the tour. Did any version ever sound different than the one before it? I'm not sure why people would say that (I am sure they did I just don't get it).

I don't remember...I don't like the song at all in general, but I also remember not minding it too much on Storytellers. That being said, I'm not happy that its on here and I hope I never hear it live again