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DMBpride
09-24-2007, 05:52 PM
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05.25.2007 Pavilion Atlantico, Lisbon, Portugal was the second European stop for Dave Matthews Band earlier this spring. DMB played their hearts out for almost three hours (longest show in 2007) to an ecstatic crowd of 18,000, most of whom were seeing their very first Dave Matthews Band show!

The Lisbon show featured a very rare double encore of Gravedigger > Jimi Thing, Stay followed by Don’t Drink the Water, Pantala Naga Pampa > Rapunzel. Another highlight of the show was Tom Morello’s surprise guest appearance, a first with DMB. Morello, guitarist from Rage Against the Machine, joined DMB for #41 and American Baby Intro.

The chemistry between DMB and the audience in Portugal was very apparent to those in attendance and definitely translates into the live recording. Dave praised the voracious Lisbon crowd as being “unbelievable” and “amazing…like tuning into a soccer match.”! Dave Matthews Band delivered a smashing performance in Lisbon, Portugal that deserves release as the special tenth volume Live Trax!



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Teh complete track listing is as follows:

Friday May 25 2007 Pavilion Atlantico

Everyday
Dream Girl
Crash Into Me
Hunger For The Great Light
Louisiana Bayou
When The World Ends
Grey Street
The Idea Of You
So Much To Say-->
Anyone Seen the Bridge-->
Too Much
Sister (Dave Solo)
Lie In Our Graves
#41
American Baby Intro
Two Step
Ants Marching
-- encore break --
Gravedigger (Dave Solo)
Jimi Thing
Stay (Wasting Time)
-- encore break --
Don't Drink the Water
Pantala Naga Pampa-->Rapunzel

JimyThang
09-24-2007, 05:53 PM
yeah i was about to post this...wtf

Mersh
09-24-2007, 05:53 PM
well then...

Trout
09-24-2007, 05:54 PM
Boo. Did we need back to back Spring 2007 releases?

alexbunke
09-24-2007, 05:55 PM
Hmm.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 05:55 PM
I'm not going to be Johnny Bitchfest about this, but this is probably another LT I'll be skipping.

alexbunke
09-24-2007, 05:56 PM
I'm not going to be Johnny Bitchfest about this, but this is probably another LT I'll be skipping.I certainly won't be buying it.

Kind of a let down, but I see what the thought behind it is.

DMBpride
09-24-2007, 05:57 PM
Packaging redesign, if you didn't notice- new type set entirely.

Trout
09-24-2007, 05:58 PM
The first disc of this one is gonna be real bad.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 05:58 PM
Packaging redesign, if you didn't notice- new type set entirely.

Yeah, obvious change, which is nice. Was definitely hoping for a real classic for #10 though.

jdow722
09-24-2007, 05:58 PM
wow this pick sucks

alexbunke
09-24-2007, 05:59 PM
Yeah, Grey Street onwards isn't too bad, though.

DMBpride
09-24-2007, 06:00 PM
I remember reading a review about the energy and the crowd enthusiasm... i think I may have even downloaded it just for that review. So, I'll certainly download it again :)

edit: looks like not, I guess i downloaded another show. I think I got/downloaded a vid clip though...

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 06:00 PM
I want an early show, maybe '93 or a '94. I wouldn't even mind a new D&T release from the '97 run. I really didn't want another recent show once again taking the slot of what could be a great live trax release, but you know what....I really like the fact that it's a release from out of the country. We're far too spoiled, witnessing DMB live every single year, countless releases, downloads, etc... I've been a major supporter of DMB performing and regaining the lost recognition they had over seas, and down south. To be honest, I'm really excited for this. If for nothing else than the fact that it's sparking a new interest in what we lost after 1998 with DMB touring outside the country. And I actually like the setlist and of course the two encores is very cool, imo. I just really hope the crowd noise is loud and present on this one as it's what obviously lead to a double encore.

Best choice? No. Bad? Not even close. I'm surprisingly excited and interested.

Vincent
09-24-2007, 06:01 PM
hard to be overly positive on this one

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:04 PM
I think this will be like a few of the others in that even those who buy it will give it one or two listens and then shelve it.

mattinmass
09-24-2007, 06:04 PM
awful choice

what about all the gems in the vault - even the years they haven't touched yet, the tours...etc

oh well

ThememanXX
09-24-2007, 06:04 PM
yikes

whodey
09-24-2007, 06:06 PM
I'm not going to be Johnny Bitchfest about this, but this is probably another LT I'll be skipping.

I think this might be worth it. I thought they were going to alternate between new and older releases. Not only is this back to back '07 releases, but releases of shows that aren't even stand-outs for this year. I would be really curious to know how they choose what is released. There have to be at least 10 shows from this summer alone that would have been a million times better then this. Oh well, there is always the next one......

sarge
09-24-2007, 06:08 PM
terrible

vandamit
09-24-2007, 06:08 PM
:downyours

vandamit
09-24-2007, 06:09 PM
i do like the redisigned cover art though.

1984
09-24-2007, 06:09 PM
what a joke.


at least if you're going to release a 2007 show release one from the summer with the new songs. i know it's debatable whether alpine night 2 is the best show of the tour, but look at what we'd be getting.

Dreaming Tree
Cornbread
Dream So Real (debut which would be cool to have on a CD)
Some Devil (full band)
Eh Hee w/roots
Sweet Up and Down
Shotgun


call me crazy, but i don't think those songs are on any other releases. if you're going 2007, why not give us something we haven't heard a million times

burninghammer00
09-24-2007, 06:10 PM
Due to rave reviews and plentiful requests, the May 25, 2007 show in Lisbon, Portugal at the Pavilion Atlantico was selected for Live Trax volume 10!

I can't imagine many people from the states requesting this? I guess this kills the hope for a good archive holiday release?

No posting on a release date yet right? I do like the cover art at least.

FishMonkeyMan
09-24-2007, 06:10 PM
I'm not going to be Johnny Bitchfest about this, but this is probably another LT I'll be skipping.

this will be the first im skipping... good job red light

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:10 PM
I didn't want to see an 07 release at this point, but I would take a lot of the shows from this summer over this.

timh.
09-24-2007, 06:11 PM
not very good... i dont have any desire to listen to a tape from this show, much less buy it for $20

jdow722
09-24-2007, 06:11 PM
I think this might be worth it. I thought they were going to alternate between new and older releases. Not only is this back to back '07 releases, but releases of shows that aren't even stand-outs for this year. I would be really curious to know how they choose what is released. There have to be at least 10 shows from this summer alone that would have been a million times better then this. Oh well, there is always the next one......

and the fact that this release barely has any songs that werent played in vegas...fucking joke of a pick to release as #10....15,20, maybe, but its pathetic they picked such similar shows back to back that were played only months apart

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:11 PM
this will be the first im skipping... good job red light

even FMM is down on this one

bbycrei
09-24-2007, 06:11 PM
Do we even have a recording of this show?

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:11 PM
much less buy it for $20

that is just the shipping price.

CRUSHsoccer15
09-24-2007, 06:12 PM
Everyday
Dream Girl
Crash Into Me
Hunger For The Great Light
Louisiana Bayou
When The World Ends

That isn't very good, sans Bayou IMO.

akleiner34
09-24-2007, 06:13 PM
:sad

celluloid hero
09-24-2007, 06:14 PM
dud. And if they were going to change the format, I wish they would've done it after 10. That's really a pet peeve of mine, changing the format of something for no reason.

slugmother
09-24-2007, 06:14 PM
ick, yeah, as was said, there are some amazing '07 shows... this doesn't sound like one of them from looking at the tracklist

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:15 PM
I can't imagine many people from the states requesting this? I guess this kills the hope for a good archive holiday release?

No posting on a release date yet right? I do like the cover art at least.

Pre-sale ends 11/2, so I'd guess the release date is right after that.

dmb8021
09-24-2007, 06:15 PM
When people were saying that they thought maybe a show from this summer would get released, I was thinking I doubt it, because we already have two DMB shows from this year already. But to see it's not even from this summer tour makes me go :wtf

Derek
09-24-2007, 06:15 PM
Gah was hoping for Piedmont Park...oh well.

malachite00
09-24-2007, 06:15 PM
Well, I like the new cover. :upyours

The #41 is cool, but aside from that we already have identical versions of most of these songs on Fenway and the Vegas LT. And I refuse to buy anything that features yet another recording of Dreamgirl.

goldenmonkey
09-24-2007, 06:16 PM
LOVE the coverart, and LOVE that it's a officially mixed release of the Morello stuff.

and it's also nice that it's a show that isn't released/taped...

but god damn... what a subpar setlist... what a bad choice to release. the double encore is cool... if you were there. but on CD? meh.

just... not my choice. brandon, i'm with you for a 93-94 show all the way.

goldenmonkey
09-24-2007, 06:16 PM
i know. make 1-10 the same

then 11-20 the same design.

why this, now?

i LOVE the cover... and the picture. i just hate that they changed the design AT 10.

i guess if 10-19 are all in this style, then 20-29 in another... and so on... it'd be cool.

1984
09-24-2007, 06:17 PM
the only thing unique about the show is morello guesting, and as far as 07 guests go, he's WAYYYYYYYYYY down on the list of the best of the year

whodey
09-24-2007, 06:17 PM
This release is really frustrating. Plentiful requests? Plentiful requests that I see are for shows from summer '97, another fall '98, maybe something from '95, or spring '02. Instead we get a show that opens with Everyday, Dreamgirl, Crash, Hunger, LB, and WTWE, and this comes after the mediocre release that was Vegas.

Derek
09-24-2007, 06:18 PM
i know. make 1-10 the same

then 11-20 the same design.

why this, now?

i LOVE the cover... and the picture. i just hate that they changed the design AT 10.

i guess if 10-19 are all in this style, then 20-29 in another... and so on... it'd be cool.
It's the Simpsons DVD problem :lol

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:18 PM
This release is really frustrating. Plentiful requests? Plentiful requests that I see are for shows from summer '97, another fall '98, maybe something from '95, or spring '02. Instead we get a show that opens with Everyday, Dreamgirl, Crash, Hunger, LB, and WTWE, and this comes after the mediocre release that was Vegas.

I mean not that I believe it any time they use that line, I find it even more difficult to believe that they were flooded with requests for this show.

mrpeters
09-24-2007, 06:19 PM
i love the coverart

goldenmonkey
09-24-2007, 06:19 PM
This release is really frustrating. Plentiful requests? Plentiful requests that I see are for shows from summer '97, another fall '98, maybe something from '95, or spring '02. Instead we get a show that opens with Everyday, Dreamgirl, Crash, Hunger, LB, and WTWE, and this comes after the mediocre release that was Vegas.
i really don't get it. it's so similar to vegas too, just without the 'fun surprises' of the maker, IBYU and halloween and so on.

...really... ? 5.25... plentiful requests? not 6.8.97? or 4.7.02? or anything from 94 or 95? or a 98 show with timmy?

even if you want to go 'recent' - there are SO MANY better 2007 shows to pick.

the only positive is that it's a show that nobody has heard before

nolan8or
09-24-2007, 06:22 PM
back to back spring 07s is not exactly ideal

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:23 PM
I'm curious to know what the first 3 pages of the LT 7 thread look like. :lol

whodey
09-24-2007, 06:25 PM
If newer or highly publicized shows are what they want to release, thats fine. They could at least make available for download some of the fairly consistent collection of shows that constantly get talked about on here. I remember when people thought Live Trax would allow people to download their choice of past shows. If they were really getting any amount of requests for this, which I'd find hard to believe, release it in stores, and something worthwhile as a LT.

goldenmonkey
09-24-2007, 06:26 PM
I'm curious to know what the first 3 pages of the LT 7 thread look like. :lol
a lot of splooging.

for good reason. it actually WAS highly requested

Penguins66
09-24-2007, 06:27 PM
Horrible. I thought this was a joke when I read the title.

Rt 44 gravy
09-24-2007, 06:28 PM
boo whore

Monk
09-24-2007, 06:28 PM
Very surprised with this release. Bad choice and a mistake to release two 2007 shows in a row IMO.

RB3
09-24-2007, 06:30 PM
What the fuck

Tomacco
09-24-2007, 06:30 PM
Pretty bad, ESPECIALLY since Vegas was LT9. Performance-wise, there isn't much different at all between all of these songs and their counterparts on LT9. I understand paying tribute to the Europe tour, but why not wait a while to do that? I would have been happy with a summer 07 show even because of the new songs and Shotgun, but too many songs in this set were done in Vegas.

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 06:30 PM
the only thing unique about the show is morello guesting

Well let's not get carried away by trying to put the show down. It's a show with a double encore, supposedly had one of the best crowds from the little we've heard about it, and it's a show that didn't take place in the continuous cycle of summer touring that goes on here in the US year after year.

d.m.bfan222
09-24-2007, 06:31 PM
Quite disappointing. Piedmont Park would have been 10x better. Still holding out hope for that.

kylebond13
09-24-2007, 06:33 PM
I think this decision is purely a business one aimed at trying to have a live release that will be marketable in europe to new european fans. i think that the past 2 years, there has been an increased effort to get dmb noticed in europe...and this is part of it.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:33 PM
it's a show that didn't take place in the continuous cycle of summer touring that goes on here in the US year after year.

For me it doesn't really matter what part of the world the show took place in. I am not being argumentative, but I don't understand the significance of this when talking about a release...unless its the novelty of it. I'm actually curious.

Tomacco
09-24-2007, 06:34 PM
Bit off-topic, but is there still buzz happening about Piedmont being released? Now that I know there won't be another 2007 LT for awhile, I'd at least like this for the new songs and Dreaming Tree.

NiCK Crush
09-24-2007, 06:34 PM
damn... why?

also... why did they change the art scheme? i like continuity...

-NiCK

small axe
09-24-2007, 06:34 PM
Boo. Did we need back to back Spring 2007 releases?

probably not...how about a nice 2001 release?!

Rowsdower
09-24-2007, 06:39 PM
Bah. This stinks. Won't be buying this one.

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 06:40 PM
For me it doesn't really matter what part of the world the show took place in. I am not being argumentative, but I don't understand the significance of this when talking about a release...unless its the novelty of it. I'm actually curious.

Well for one thing it's going to add to the performance and the hieght of each one. I'm not saying this show is going to have the greatest performances ever, but you don't get a double encore just for shits and giggles. It's obviously from the fact that DMB hasn't played overseas in 9 years, and they come back to crowds who don't see them year after year like we do. When I said we're spoiled, I meant it, and it's shown during the shows. We know what's coming during a Nancies and we don't get as excited as we once did, collectively that is. But with crowds outside the US, they hardly ever(if at all) get the chance to witness DMB live so that excitement is brought to another level and the band feeds off of that.

I'm not sure you could even claim "novelty" on this. I think that's kinda jaded, imo.

timh.
09-24-2007, 06:40 PM
Bit off-topic, but is there still buzz happening about Piedmont being released? Now that I know there won't be another 2007 LT for awhile, I'd at least like this for the new songs and Dreaming Tree.

i imagine something will happen with it... at the very least the footage will be made available to us through a tv broadcast

timh.
09-24-2007, 06:43 PM
so is it fair to assume that most everyone here wont be buying this?

Jack
09-24-2007, 06:43 PM
what. the. fuck.

DMBpride
09-24-2007, 06:44 PM
I think this will be like a few of the others in that even those who buy it will give it one or two listens and then shelve it.

i.e. Vegas

Rowsdower
09-24-2007, 06:44 PM
Now that we know what is going to be released, how would everyone feel about 12-21-02, which a lot of people thought would be next, getting released?

I think the MSG show would have been much better than this selection.

noletorious901
09-24-2007, 06:45 PM
I am usually a DMB homer and really haven't minded the LT choices so far, but this is pretty disappointing. I could see going with Piedmont or a hand full of other 07 shows if they wanted to give us another 07, but this release really doesn't do much for me. It's time to open the vaults a bit.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:45 PM
Well for one thing it's going to add to the performance and the hieght of each one. I'm not saying this show is going to have the greatest performances ever, but you don't get a double encore just for shits and giggles. It's obviously from the fact that DMB hasn't played overseas in 9 years, and they come back to crowds who don't see them year after year like we do. When I said we're spoiled, I meant it, and it's shown during the shows. We know what's coming during a Nancies and we don't get as excited as we once did, collectively that is. But with crowds outside the US, they hardly ever(if at all) get the chance to witness DMB live so that excitement is brought to another level and the band feeds off of that.

I'm not sure you could even claim "novelty" on this. I think that's kinda jaded, imo.

This makes more sense to me than they way I interpreted your previous comments on this. I misunderstood your point. Still, its a blah setlist and while it is great to be in a great crowd, I don't think that matters much when I am listening to an official release especially when sometimes their is virtually no crowd on the LT releases. I am sure there are some real classics with great crowds too. Obviously these are just my thoughts/is just my opinion though.

Perhaps novelty was the wrong word, but I don't see how that is jaded...I don't want to argue over that though because it is a separate issue and will just go poorly.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:46 PM
i.e. Vegas

yup

guess more people should have purchased 12.31.96...

shadowraven
09-24-2007, 06:46 PM
wow, till Grey Street that is pretty harsh.

interested in the last 5 songs in the main set and that's about it.

sarge
09-24-2007, 06:47 PM
The European fans will be thrilled with this

whodey
09-24-2007, 06:48 PM
Well for one thing it's going to add to the performance and the height of each one. I'm not saying this show is going to have the greatest performances ever, but you don't get a double encore just for shits and giggles. It's obviously from the fact that DMB hasn't played overseas in 9 years, and they come back to crowds who don't see them year after year like we do. When I said we're spoiled, I meant it, and it's shown during the shows. We know what's coming during a Nancies and we don't get as excited as we once did, collectively that is. But with crowds outside the US, they hardly ever(if at all) get the chance to witness DMB live so that excitement is brought to another level and the band feeds off of that.

I suppose you do raise some good points here, and I could see if they are trying to market themselves in Europe. It just seems like there are other or better ways this could be achieved then the LT series. When they first started LT, did they ever release anything that stated what they aimed to achieve (besides making money) with the series? I have it in my head that it was to release worthy shows that weren't deemed marketable for mass release, but I guess I made that up.

pepelapag
09-24-2007, 06:51 PM
ya i understand why theyd choose this, but for me, im not interested in hearing any of these tunes. we have a thousand releases of them already

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 06:52 PM
This makes more sense to me than they way I interpreted your previous comments on this. Still, its a blah setlist and while it is great to be in a great crowd, I don't think that matters much when I am listening to an official release especially when sometimes their is virtually no crowd on the LT releases. I am sure there are some real classics with great crowds too. Obviously these are just my thoughts/is just my opinion though.

Perhaps novelty was the wrong word, but I don't see how that is jaded...

I won't argue that it doesn't have an appealing setlist, and you already know my stance on picking old shows for the LT series. I guess a part of it is that I'm just glad it's something different. And I'm not even saying that in defense of the tough start of the show setlist wise, because from what I gather the crowd ate every moment up and good for them. I'm just glad we're cutting this cycle of releasing the "big shows". I'm glad the ATL show wasn't released and I hope it doesn't get released, even though it probably will sometime. It's just the predictability of the whole thing now. Play a summer tour, play a "big" show at the end of the summer, release said big show.

alexbunke
09-24-2007, 06:53 PM
The European fans will be thrilled with this:upyours

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 06:53 PM
I suppose you do raise some good points here, and I could see if they are trying to market themselves in Europe. It just seems like there are other or better ways this could be achieved then the LT series. When they first started LT, did they ever release anything that stated what they aimed to achieve (besides making money) with the series? I have it in my head that it was to release worthy shows that weren't deemed marketable for mass release, but I guess I made that up.

Oh I completely agree, trust me.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 06:54 PM
I won't argue that it doesn't have an appealing setlist, and you already know my stance on picking old shows for the LT series. I guess a part of it is that I'm just glad it's something different. And I'm not even saying that in defense of the tough start of the show setlist wise, because from what I gather the crowd ate every moment up and good for them. I'm just glad we're cutting this cycle of releasing the "big shows". I'm glad the ATL show wasn't released and I hope it doesn't get released, even though it probably will sometime. It's just the predictability of the whole thing now. Play a summer tour, play a "big" show at the end of the summer, release said big show.

Fair enough, although I wasn't suggesting they release a big show from this summer (not that you said I was)...I was hoping for an older classic or an older gem that doesn't get talked about.

italy8384
09-24-2007, 06:56 PM
Who the fuck is this release even appealing to? Even a casual fan has 90% of those songs live from another release. What a waste of time.

stirstick
09-24-2007, 06:57 PM
It's the Simpsons DVD problem :lol

The packaging should be in the shape of Boyd's head.

Derek
09-24-2007, 07:00 PM
The packaging should be in the shape of Boyd's head.
I'd love that...with pubes! :lol :boohoo

stirstick
09-24-2007, 07:00 PM
I'd love that...with pubes! :lol :boohoo

only with pre-order

TheNoise
09-24-2007, 07:01 PM
yeah i'll check out the morello tracks but eh, not much else

Yeedog
09-24-2007, 07:02 PM
a lot of splooging.

for good reason. it actually WAS highly requested


Tho it sold way under expectation from what I've heard. LT7 was a fan choice show for the most part. Yet the fans didn't turn out as it really was only the "hardcore" fans that wanted it. The average radio fan wasn't swayed either way, I'm guessing.

DMB management expected big sales from a show everybody on these boards really wanted and was let down. I'm sure it'll be a while before they choose another show that people here really want. Especially if it's an older show.

They are playing the safe route now it seems.

DJ Naga Pampa
09-24-2007, 07:03 PM
what a fuck stupid ass choice, if they thought morello would be the big enough highlight for this show to be release then put him on a fuckin bonus disc or warehouse disc, now i got a pile of more shit to collect that wont get listen to and i bet the mix is gonna suck too ....fuckin fucktards...

Poth Ead
09-24-2007, 07:05 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!! another live version of Jimi Thing with Dave scat and FWIW !!!:rolleyes

Monk
09-24-2007, 07:07 PM
Tho it sold way under expectation from what I've heard. LT7 was a fan choice show for the most part. Yet the fans didn't turn out as it really was only the "hardcore" fans that wanted it. The average radio fan wasn't swayed either way, I'm guessing.

DMB management expected big sales from a show everybody on these boards really wanted and was let down. I'm sure it'll be a while before they choose another show that people here really want. Especially if it's an older show.

They are playing the safe route now it seems.

It's too bad, because I think most of us here (and other boards), especially after the show pick for LTv1, had expected the Live Trax series to be a means the band could release their best music/performances and tap back into the "hardcore" and/or "internet" fan bases directly. Whether we were just in setting that expectation, or whether that was the intent from the beginning or not, that is obviously not the case now.

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 07:07 PM
Tho it sold way under expectation from what I've heard. LT7 was a fan choice show for the most part. Yet the fans didn't turn out as it really was only the "hardcore" fans that wanted it. The average radio fan wasn't swayed either way, I'm guessing.

DMB management expected big sales from a show everybody on these boards really wanted and was let down. I'm sure it'll be a while before they choose another show that people here really want. Especially if it's an older show.

They are playing the safe route now it seems.

I think they hurt themselves with thier past selections for the LT series. People rightfully viewed this series an unbalanced tool for "motives", instead of what we were all initially sold on with the idea of classic shows. And then when they finally released a true classic...it flopped.

Oh, by the way, happy b-day Brian, belated that is.

sarge
09-24-2007, 07:08 PM
:upyours
i am joking

killymagee
09-24-2007, 07:10 PM
Its only worth buying because the Canadian dollar is on par with the US greenback.

seekup19
09-24-2007, 07:10 PM
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A '97 SHOW FOR A LIVE TRAX?!!?!!?!!?!

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 07:10 PM
Its only worth buying because the Canadian dollar is on par with the US greenback.

:lol

Cardinal
09-24-2007, 07:11 PM
I guess no Piedmont Park then.

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 07:11 PM
I guess no Piedmont Park then.

One can only hope.

Monk
09-24-2007, 07:14 PM
One can only hope.

Shame because I think it would have been a pretty worthy release, but I can't say I would want another 2007 show released at this point.

Yeedog
09-24-2007, 07:18 PM
I think they hurt themselves with thier past selections for the LT series. People rightfully viewed this series an unbalanced tool for "motives", instead of what we were all initially sold on with the idea of classic shows. And then when they finally released a true classic...it flopped.

Oh, by the way, happy b-day Brian, belated that is.

I agree, LT7 also came out at a time where we were all just inundated with DMB merchandised to buy. I'm sure that contributed as to it's lack luster sales as well. LT 5, 6 and 7 along with BOWA Volume 1 all came out around the same 8 month time frame.

Thanks for the b-day wishes as well. Better late then never, :)

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 07:19 PM
Shame because I think it would have been a pretty worthy release, but I can't say I would want another 2007 show released at this point.

Honestly...I'm glad. When this gets released, we may sit there and say ATL should have been released 'cuz it was a better show, or maybe we'll say Camden N2 could have used a release if it HAD to be an '07 show. But I'm just glad it's something different. Although, idealy, something truly different would have been an older show like a '93.

Trout
09-24-2007, 07:22 PM
what a joke.


at least if you're going to release a 2007 show release one from the summer with the new songs. i know it's debatable whether alpine night 2 is the best show of the tour, but look at what we'd be getting.

Dreaming Tree
Cornbread
Dream So Real (debut which would be cool to have on a CD)
Some Devil (full band)
Eh Hee w/roots
Sweet Up and Down
Shotgun


call me crazy, but i don't think those songs are on any other releases. if you're going 2007, why not give us something we haven't heard a million times

Exactly. I would've much preferred they release Alpine n2, or SPAC, Piedmont, one of the NC shows, or another of the very unique shows we got this summer, and not another spring show.

killymagee
09-24-2007, 07:22 PM
Ok. Positive: we're getting a Live Trax for which there is no corresponding aud recording. That's kinda what I was hoping for when they announced they would be doing this.

dmbowns
09-24-2007, 07:24 PM
What an awful show to pick. Wow.

Monk
09-24-2007, 07:27 PM
Honestly...I'm glad. When this gets released, we may sit there and say ATL should have been released 'cuz it was a better show, or maybe we'll say Camden N2 could have used a release if it HAD to be an '07 show. But I'm just glad it's something different. Although, idealy, something truly different would have been an older show like a '93.

This show is different in the fact that it was played somewhere different and to a unique crowd (which is awesome for the people who were there and I'm happy for anyone that is pleased with this release), but at the same time it can be viewed as a pretty stale release, because it doesn't appear to offer many aspects that are too far from the norm. I can understand both perspectives, but on a personal level, I'm just not excited for it.

Tomacco
09-24-2007, 07:31 PM
This show is different in the fact that it was played somewhere different and to a unique crowd (which is awesome for the people who were there and I'm happy for anyone that is pleased with this release)

None of which ultimately matters when you're listening at home.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 07:33 PM
This show is different in the fact that it was played somewhere different and to a unique crowd (which is awesome for the people who were there and I'm happy for anyone that is pleased with this release), but at the same time it can be viewed as a pretty stale release, because it doesn't appear to offer many aspects that are too far from the norm. I can understand both perspectives, but on a personal level, I'm just not excited for it.

I agree, for me it is just a bad choice.

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 07:34 PM
This show is different in the fact that it was played somewhere different and to a unique crowd (which is awesome for the people who were there and I'm happy for anyone that is pleased with this release), but at the same time it can be viewed as a pretty stale release, because it doesn't appear to offer many aspects that are too far from the norm. I can understand both perspectives, but on a personal level, I'm just not excited for it.

Yeah, I'm not saying this is a standout show out of everything that could have been selected. I think it's different, and I like that especially since I really want to see them push outside the US again. I like that it's an out of the country show, Morello guesting for the first time - thinking back to the 7/8/95 Germany video of DMB playing the festival out there and Stefan wearing that Rage Against The Machine shirt, and thinking about how he had mentioned it was one of his favorite bands. It just must have been such a big deal for him that night, and the crowd being one of the best in recent years(from what we hear), and the double encore. I mean, the downsides are obvious. It's another '07 show, the first string of songs leading the show really put a damper on the setlist, we've already got these songs from this era(the past 3/4 years). But I can't help but to be interested for those few reasons I gave earlier.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 07:36 PM
I think they hurt themselves with thier past selections for the LT series. People rightfully viewed this series an unbalanced tool for "motives", instead of what we were all initially sold on with the idea of classic shows. And then when they finally released a true classic...it flopped.

Oh, by the way, happy b-day Brian, belated that is.

Unfortunately for LT7 it came on the heels of several releases in a relatively short span of time. I would be curious to know what the numbers for 1, 3, 5, and even 8 were though. I mean I am sure LT1 did well because it was first and a classic, but I wonder how LT 3 did or 5.

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 07:37 PM
Unfortunately for LT7 it came on the heels of several releases in a relatively short span of time. I would be curious to know what the numbers for 1, 3, 5, and even 8 were though. I mean I am sure LT1 did well because it was first and a classic, but I wonder how LT 3 did or 5.

We're so spoiled. It's pathetic. I know I keep saying it, but ya sometimes forget and then when you look back what we've gotten over the past 5 years from a release standpoint...could you imagine that back when we were trading tapes in the mid-late 90's?

Minarets
09-24-2007, 07:40 PM
great cover art, but like everyone else......

Monk
09-24-2007, 07:41 PM
We're so spoiled. It's pathetic. I know I keep saying it, but ya sometimes forget and then when you look back what we've gotten over the past 5 years from a release standpoint...could you imagine that back when we were trading tapes in the mid-late 90's?

I'd say we're definitely spoiled, but like you said, people's expectations have a lot to do with it.

bsan83
09-24-2007, 07:43 PM
Who the fuck thought of this idea?

Horrible choice.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 07:49 PM
We're so spoiled. It's pathetic. I know I keep saying it, but ya sometimes forget and then when you look back what we've gotten over the past 5 years from a release standpoint...could you imagine that back when we were trading tapes in the mid-late 90's?

Are you saying be happy with whatever you get because we never used to get anything? I am just clarifying before I respond to something I misinterpreted.

killymagee
09-24-2007, 07:50 PM
Tom Morello on ABI and #41 has to count for something too.

bsan83
09-24-2007, 07:51 PM
Everyday
Dream Girl
Crash Into Me
Hunger For The Great Light
Louisiana Bayou
When The World Ends

That run is worse than Folsom. And that kicks it off! LO-fucking-L.

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 07:52 PM
Are you saying be happy with whatever you get because we never used to get anything? I am just clarifying before I respond to something I misinterpreted.

No. I'm just saying it's insane to think about all the officially released material (live) we've gotten over the past 5 years and thinking back to trading analog tapes and trying to keep generational hiss down so you can at least enjoy a somewhat clear sounding show.

Monk
09-24-2007, 07:53 PM
Tom Morello on ABI and #41 has to count for something too.

I'm sure they do, but even though I will be purchasing this volume, I can't blame others for not wanting to pay for the entire release when they really only want to hear a few tracks.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 07:54 PM
No. I'm just saying it's insane to think about all the officially released material (live) we've gotten over the past 5 years and thinking back to trading analog taps and trying to keep generational hiss down so you can at least enjoy a somewhat clear sounding show.

Ah, ok...that was my initial thought...

Just another thought about LT7...I think a lot of newer people just don't care much about older shows or at least aren't familiar with them enough to be interested in them. Unfortunate.

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 07:56 PM
I think that was definetely a part of it as well.

pgr17
09-24-2007, 07:59 PM
Yeah, obvious change, which is nice. Was definitely hoping for a real classic for #10 though.

yep. :\

killymagee
09-24-2007, 08:01 PM
I'm sure they do, but even though I will be purchasing this volume, I can't blame others for not wanting to pay for the entire release when they really only want to hear a few tracks.


Good point. I mean, I'm going to get it just because there's no aud recording in circulation.

JWood
09-24-2007, 08:02 PM
Wow, can't believe I didn't expect an over seas show to make a Live Trax, duh.

bsan83
09-24-2007, 08:03 PM
They really need to rebound bad with 11 after these last two.

JWood
09-24-2007, 08:06 PM
They should've waited on this, back to back 07 LiveTrax is rough.

Cool cover art though.

celluloid hero
09-24-2007, 08:10 PM
They really need to rebound bad with 11 after these last two.

Can't wait to find out about that one in February!!

mexicodmb
09-24-2007, 08:11 PM
Do you think they'll push this release in Europe? I'm sure at least a couple of folks over there would like to get their hands on this?

bsan83
09-24-2007, 08:12 PM
Can't wait to find out about that one in February!!

lolz.

Maybe longer if they can actually get the album done.

My money's on Blossom '07.

JWood
09-24-2007, 08:13 PM
that would be cool if this American Baby Intro has the improv lyrics like 5.27.07

Bartender
09-24-2007, 08:13 PM
skipping this..

JWood
09-24-2007, 08:15 PM
another plus = no whistler on AB Intro

JonTheRvelator
09-24-2007, 08:17 PM
not worthy of release.

TheNoise
09-24-2007, 08:20 PM
not worthy of release.i hope the sales show them this.

bsan83
09-24-2007, 08:20 PM
i hope the sales show them this.

NYE '96 apparently accomplished that all ready.

bsan83
09-24-2007, 08:22 PM
Maybe we'll be lucky enough to get Giants '01 next. That'd be fantastic.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 08:23 PM
Is bsan on the verge of a meltdown? :lol

bsan83
09-24-2007, 08:24 PM
Is bsan on the verge of a meltdown? :lol

Nah, I'm just fucking around tonight.

Mersh
09-24-2007, 08:24 PM
Nah, I'm just fucking around tonight.

same...I mean this is a bad release IMO, but the last comment was a joke.

bsan83
09-24-2007, 08:25 PM
same...I mean this is a bad release IMO, but the last comment was a joke.

Meh, figured someone would ask it in seriousness eventually. :lol

It's just too bad with as much ass as the US tour has kicked this year that we have two releases and they're both probably the weakest two of the bunch.

JWood
09-24-2007, 08:29 PM
we're never going to get a Summer 07 release with the new tunes on it...

Vegas 07
Dave & Tim 07
International tour 07

bsan83
09-24-2007, 08:31 PM
we're never going to get a Summer 07 release with the new tunes on it...

Vegas 07
Dave & Tim 07
International tour 07

Yup. So hopefully they're actually on an album instead. :)

DMBZeppelin
09-24-2007, 08:31 PM
we're never going to get a Summer 07 release with the new tunes on it...

Vegas 07
Dave & Tim 07
International tour 07
Which sucks because I'd rather have a Summer 07 show then Vegas or Europe 07. D&T while not the best show to release, was worth it because it was D&T.

JWood
09-24-2007, 08:32 PM
Yup. So hopefully they're actually on an album instead. :)

True, but DMB is a live band, i'd love to have the SBDs, oh well, we'll just have to wait 10 years, hopefully by then they'll have released a '97 show

JWood
09-24-2007, 08:32 PM
Which sucks because I'd rather have a Summer 07 show then Vegas or Europe 07. D&T while not the best show to release, was worth it because it was D&T.

Exactly, the Summer 07 shows have incorporated both Vegas and the Int'l stuff, plus some kick-ass new tunes.

ggies
09-24-2007, 08:36 PM
The beg. 6 songs are horrible. I will not be buying this. What the fuck are they trying to pull. I buy all of these and all albums, even if they suck, but not this shit. Its sad that they are marketing these types of shows for DMB. what a fucking joke :lol

azsnappi
09-24-2007, 08:37 PM
really..3 '07 shows. at least release on of this tour. i.e. alpine with the roots or anything with shotgun.

TheNoise
09-24-2007, 08:38 PM
but yeah the new cover design is sweet!

lolz

JWood
09-24-2007, 08:41 PM
they should swap out the first 6 songs and put in: #27, Cornbread, A Dream So Real, Eh Hee, Shotgun, Sweet Up and Down from the '07 tour :lol

ggies
09-24-2007, 08:43 PM
so who's marketing idea was this? Coran? If so, why not 2 LT this time, one from Europe and one from Summer '07?

kaisek
09-24-2007, 08:53 PM
yawn...

Popeye2003
09-24-2007, 09:04 PM
Oh man :\

willndmb
09-24-2007, 09:24 PM
does anyone have a close up of the shirt? just wondering what it says

Welsh
09-24-2007, 09:28 PM
A valiant attempt at getting some sales overseas. Nice try. Bad pick.

Crush87
09-24-2007, 09:35 PM
what.the.fuck.

ugh. I dont even want to hear about performance, this blows.

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 09:37 PM
what.the.fuck.

ugh. I dont even want to hear about performance, this blows.

Teh energy? :dunno

JorgeCavos
09-24-2007, 09:40 PM
This would've been a good choice if they released it in May 2008, but this should've been a 97 or 2000 show.

Crush87
09-24-2007, 09:41 PM
Teh energy? :dunno

It's just so frustrating at this point. To the point where I really don't even want to talk about it. And I mean, I'm definitely someone around here who doesnt really get their panties in a bunch about anything. Except, I look foward to these releases, and there's just SO much out there that doesnt get a second glance. If you're going to release an '07, i completely disagree BUT come the fuck on, release something from the summer with the new tunes on it. Double encore? Could give a fuck, this set blows.

This may have all been said before, I didnt read the thread. :downyours

Crush87
09-24-2007, 09:43 PM
I mean, it's almost funny how fucking miserable that opening run is.

Fan#41
09-24-2007, 09:44 PM
Frank, please don't meltdown over an '07 release. It's not worth it.

soups
09-24-2007, 09:44 PM
bullshit release

DMBCLSTJ
09-24-2007, 09:47 PM
bullshit release

eh, i'm not to worried due to the fact that they release like 3 a year, they all can't be great releases.

raven
09-24-2007, 09:49 PM
Friday May 25 2007 Pavilion Atlantico

Everyday
Dream Girl
Crash Into Me
Hunger For The Great Light
Louisiana Bayou
When The World Ends
...ouch

JWood
09-24-2007, 09:50 PM
we have too much post ED material lately, now some of it has been good, but some has not.

JWood
09-24-2007, 09:52 PM
The Idea of You
#41
American Baby Intro :segue
Two Step

is all I'm looking forward to at this moment

I mean, Hunger from Vegas smokes, so that one's off the list.

Strugz10
09-24-2007, 09:53 PM
I think this will be like a few of the others in that even those who buy it will give it one or two listens and then shelve it.
Seems to be a pattern with a lot of the more recent shows they've released for the LT series.

Crush87
09-24-2007, 09:53 PM
Frank, please don't meltdown over an '07 release. It's not worth it.

You're right. Not like we only get a release once a year, and I won't be buying it so it's no big deal on the surface I guess. But the fact is one good release for every 3 poorly chosen releases (LT X doesnt fall into this category, it's much worse than a poorly chosen release) is simply frustrating given what's out there and managments conscious decisions to neglect the fanbase that LT should be geared towards. Like I said, you'd hear a little grumble from me over a Summer '07 release, but I'm reasonable and I'd see the good in that, hell, I'd probably really end up enjoying it. This is just terrible.

italy8384
09-24-2007, 09:53 PM
I would rather them mix up the format than this. A Best of 07 Compilation would of been cool with all the guests.

I'm going to guess due to the poor sales this will have this is going to break the cruises record for amount of emails about it.

Crush87
09-24-2007, 09:54 PM
eh, i'm not to worried due to the fact that they release like 3 a year, they all can't be great releases.

they can't? Nice.

soups
09-24-2007, 10:06 PM
the good thing about it is that the new songs won't be released, and their first official release will be on an album....right?

Strugz10
09-24-2007, 10:12 PM
the good thing about it is that the new songs won't be released, and their first official release will be on an album....right?

An album of '04, some '06 and the '07 tunes. :upyours

bbycrei
09-24-2007, 10:33 PM
the almanac had a good write up that probably sums up everyone's feelings:

"The 10th Live Trax release is from May 25, 2007 at Pavilion Atlantico in Lisbon, Portugal. For sure an interesting release in that it's unexpected, a foreign market, a second encore, a show for which no formal audience recording exists and an interesting guest in Tom Morello on #41 and American Baby Intro. Reviews of the show from both fans and the release statement from management talked of an intense crowd.

However, it’s hard to see the timing of this release as better than a disappointment. When the fan base received the 2006 Warehouse 8 Volume 3 disc, a line was crossed with material that had been released. Songs from 1993 and 1994 hadn't been released since 1993 and 1994. The quality of both recording and performance of the songs (especially Granny) had given hope and anticipation to the next Live Trax release. Fans had wondered since the band began releasing shows in 1997 how the general make up of the live release catalog would look. There were early rumors after the Live at Red Rocks release, that the next release would be a Live at the Flood Zone January 1993 release. Next on the rumor list was a Live at Holmdel Summer 1997 release. Almost a decade and twenty releases later, nothing remotely close has been released. The release comes 4 months after Live Trax 9, which is also Spring 2007, only 5 full band shows between Live Trax 9 and Live Trax 10. Comparing the two releases, the only songs that Live Trax 10 contains that Live Trax 9 doesn't are So Much To Say, Lie In Our Graves, #41, Two Step & Ants Marching. The least released of these songs is Lie In Our Graves with 9 before this release. They released Live Trax 5 which was only 5 shows from Live at Red Rocks, but they were released 8 years apart, a different series of releases and a different musical feel with no Tim Reynolds.

To be quite clear, we are not urging fans not purchase this. We haven't even heard the show. The disappointment does not come from the show selected, it comes from the timing of this choice, and the hundred or so that weren't selected. Here are a few statements from the management: "Due to overwhelming demand, 7.7 -7.8.2006 Fenway Park, Boston, MA is being offered as the sixth volume of Dave Matthews Band's Live Trax series." "Due to rave reviews and plentiful requests, the May 25, 2007 show in Lisbon, Portugal at the Pavilion Atlantico was selected for Live Trax volume 10!" What we are urging is that you order this release, enjoy it, and while you're at it, send them your "demands" and your "requests." If you want a Summer 1997 whose shelf in the archive has seemingly burned in a very localized fire (your guess is as good as ours why there has been 1 song released from this tour - Crash Into Me - 6.15.97 on the Don't Drink the Water promo), let them know. If you want that 1993 show that Granny made you yearn for, let them know. If you want another Fall 1998 release, let them know. If you want the show that took place after this particular show (5.27.07 - Brussels, Belgium), let them know. According to management, demand and requests might get you want you want released. It makes sense, they want to sell what people will buy. Flood them with what you want. We don’t care what show or tour it is, if they are taking requests into account, it’s time they started getting them. Hopefully they don’t get filtered into the Spam bin. We don’t think they will.

It would be a large oversight if we neglected to mention the change in artwork format. It is no doubt a gorgeous looking release. It's unfortunate that the format change couldn't wait until Live Trax 11 and continue until a new format change at 21, but that's being overly picky.

Of the songs themselves, Sister gets its second release (the least), Crash Into Me and Ants Marching get their 19th release (the most). No song makes its release debut. "

pgr17
09-24-2007, 10:45 PM
awful choice

what about all the gems in the vault - even the years they haven't touched yet, the tours...etc

oh well

seriously... this is a disappointment. i really thought they would put out an older show and yet we get this. boo.

i like the idea of a european show... but damn, put out one from the '96 or '98 tours.

Crush87
09-24-2007, 10:48 PM
Nice write up by the Almanac.

You know, Ive suggested shows before, but all I ever get is "Thanks, we're passing this on."

Anyone have any good suggestions as to the right place to send suggestions other than the obvious warehouse e-mail?

DMBTex10101
09-24-2007, 11:02 PM
Releasing another '07 show without Shotgun, 27, or Cornbread is pure bull shit.
Releasing 3 shows (4 if you count RCMH . . . which I don't mind) from '07 when we are barely 2/3 done with the year is just plain stupid.
Changing the artwork/case format sucks too, I like them all on my shelf lined up next to each other.

I must say I'm very disappointed . . . but not too surprised.

With that said, I'll still get it and enjoy it as much as I can, but I really hope they make up for it with the next one, I mean I know it'll be great, but it's the die hards that buy these things and they know that, and I refuse to believe that they have no idea what we want.

patsfan39
09-24-2007, 11:05 PM
I mean, Hunger from Vegas smokes, so that one's off the list.

Its really given me a different outlook on the song for the year. that horn accent on beat two of each of the verses is nice and carter is really playing well on it.

But this release is bad and i wont be buying it for sure.

Zamboni Guy
09-24-2007, 11:15 PM
Wow...I really thought they'd go old school with all the releases from relatively recent concerts (LT6, 8, 9, and RCMH). Oh well, oh well.

RB3
09-24-2007, 11:15 PM
Hopefully management will learn from this. It's extremely evident that the online fan-base is upset about the release, and this is more likely than not be the worst-selling in the series.

DMBpride
09-24-2007, 11:15 PM
Tho it sold way under expectation from what I've heard. LT7 was a fan choice show for the most part. Yet the fans didn't turn out as it really was only the "hardcore" fans that wanted it. The average radio fan wasn't swayed either way, I'm guessing.

DMB management expected big sales from a show everybody on these boards really wanted and was let down. I'm sure it'll be a while before they choose another show that people here really want. Especially if it's an older show.

They are playing the safe route now it seems.

bingo. the sales were much less for LT7 than you'd think- I was told directly. The thing is, this has the potential to sell like $... you guys who are wondering why this was chosen- look no further than what somehow keeps getting forgotten... DMB is a business. If they take a hit in sales to please the hardcores, look for some mainstream revenue targeting to compensate. An overseas show with lots of energy, and practically every song the casual fans know, on one disc... sad as it is, the hardcore fan does NOT make up as much of the show-going fanbase as they once did, by ALOT. Take a look around you at the next show. Also- the band probably gave it their blessing because they a) dont care and b) probably have a great memory from it.

oh, and this is why I was pushing people to buy LT7, if only on principle. :(

DMBpride
09-24-2007, 11:25 PM
ill fwd that almanac write-up on.. nice

celluloid hero
09-24-2007, 11:25 PM
bingo. the sales were much less for LT7 than you'd think- I was told directly. The thing is, this has the potential to sell like $... you guys who are wondering why this was chosen- look no further than what somehow keeps getting forgotten... DMB is a business. If they take a hit to please the hardcores, look for some mainstream revenue targeting to compensate. An overseas show with lots of energy, and practically every song the casual fans know, on one disc... sad as it is, the hardcore fan does NOT make up as much of the show-going fanbase as they once did, but ALOT. Take a look around you at the next show. Also- the band probably gave it their blessing because they a) dont care and b) probably have a great memory from it.

oh, and this is why I was pushing people to buy LT7, if only on principle. :(

this is what we thought Vegas was for.

DMBpride
09-24-2007, 11:29 PM
this is what we thought Vegas was for.

lets break down the LT releases, and catagorize them as fan-choice or big seller...

LT1: Fan choice
LT2: Big seller
LT3: Fan Choice
LT4: Questionable... prob more fan choice
LT5: Fan Choice
LT6: Big Seller
LT7: Fan Choice
LT8: Fan Choice? ...a little of each, maybe.. but more fan choice, I think.
LT9: Big Seller
LT10: Big Seller


Perhaps "big seller" should be re-labled as "wider appeal"... but I'm lazy and going to bed. Use your imagination.

We're not doing so bad, considering. The best way to send a message, also, is to not buy this one and DO buy the good ones. I won't even pick this up, and I actually collect the damn things (generally).

malachite00
09-24-2007, 11:49 PM
Chris - where do you find the information on total sales numbers?

blsc1121
09-24-2007, 11:52 PM
We're not doing so bad, considering. The best way to send a message, also, is to not buy this one and DO buy the good ones. I won't even pick this up, and I actually collect the damn things (generally).

Yeah, this will be the first Live Trax I don't buy. I just can't spend $20 for one song that I'm excited to hear (#41). If this sells poorly the band might get the message. Actually, that's really our only chance of the band "getting it" because music is a business and DMB will release what sells well.

whodey
09-24-2007, 11:58 PM
Maybe this was an incorrect assumption on my part, but I didn't think they expected the LT releases to be huge money earners. I thought that was the reason for having the series instead of releasing these shows in stores. I get that they are a business, but if they want to release Live Trax that will be financially successful, then whats the point of doing LT? Just release these shows in stores. With the warehouse membership fee's, ticket prices + fee's, and merchandising and everything else, it seems like it would be nice if the shows that actually launched DMB to the level of success they are at now were in someway available to longtime fans. I dunno, I guess I am spoiled or being naive, it just seems they have enough other stuff thats making good money, that they could afford to release "classic" shows through LT and shows like 5/27/07 in stores.

UVA41
09-25-2007, 12:20 AM
i completely understand them releasing a show from this tour, and what better way for them to do that than through the live trax, but WHY would you not release the wembley show instead???? at least it has nothing from nothing on it to mix things up, and tom morello plays on that show as well. it just doesnt make sense

sdaltons
09-25-2007, 12:40 AM
well i read the whole thread and everything's pretty much already been said 15 times:

-the only good thing about this release is the nice looking cover art.
-someone said the last 5 songs of the main set are the most interesting, and i agree.
-the almanac really hit the nail on the head with that write-up.
-this will likely be the first thing dmb has released that i will not purchase. hopefully others do the same.
-i didn't think another '07 show would come soon, so why not a summer one? SO MUCH BETTER!

AhoraMazda
09-25-2007, 12:46 AM
well i read the whole thread and everything's pretty much already been said 15 times:

-the only good thing about this release is the nice looking cover art.
-someone said the last 5 songs of the main set are the most interesting, and i agree.
-the almanac really hit the nail on the head with that write-up.
-this will likely be the first thing dmb has released that i will not purchase. hopefully others do the same.
-i didn't think another '07 show would come soon, so why not a summer one? SO MUCH BETTER!

They should throw in a roll of toilet paper with this release. On a postive note, thank god we have the tapers so we can enjoy other 07' shows.

jsandr
09-25-2007, 01:20 AM
wow. im not even gonna bother dloading this. like mersh said, pretty much every summer show has been better than that.

the ONLY thing I can think of is that they want to market this overseas, but even still, makes little sense.

has there been a worse opening 6 song run... ever?

BeaufordBuddy
09-25-2007, 02:35 AM
I can't imagine many people from the states requesting this? I guess this kills the hope for a good archive holiday release?

No posting on a release date yet right? I do like the cover art at least.

Release is 11/6/07, it says it on the checkout page.

Dschakobi
09-25-2007, 02:36 AM
it's all about the energy

Mersh
09-25-2007, 05:35 AM
:(

so basically, we are pretty much f'ed when it comes to the LT series from here on out.

Mersh
09-25-2007, 05:36 AM
Maybe this was an incorrect assumption on my part, but I didn't think they expected the LT releases to be huge money earners. I thought that was the reason for having the series instead of releasing these shows in stores. I get that they are a business, but if they want to release Live Trax that will be financially successful, then whats the point of doing LT? Just release these shows in stores. With the warehouse membership fee's, ticket prices + fee's, and merchandising and everything else, it seems like it would be nice if the shows that actually launched DMB to the level of success they are at now were in someway available to longtime fans. I dunno, I guess I am spoiled or being naive, it just seems they have enough other stuff thats making good money, that they could afford to release "classic" shows through LT and shows like 5/27/07 in stores.

I think most everyone would agree.

Mersh
09-25-2007, 05:40 AM
lets break down the LT releases, and catagorize them as fan-choice or big seller...

LT1: Fan choice
LT2: Big seller
LT3: Fan Choice
LT4: Questionable... prob more fan choice
LT5: Fan Choice
LT6: Big Seller
LT7: Fan Choice
LT8: Fan Choice? ...a little of each, maybe.. but more fan choice, I think.
LT9: Big Seller
LT10: Big Seller


Perhaps "big seller" should be re-labled as "wider appeal"... but I'm lazy and going to bed. Use your imagination.

We're not doing so bad, considering. The best way to send a message, also, is to not buy this one and DO buy the good ones. I won't even pick this up, and I actually collect the damn things (generally).

Did all the big sellers really sell that much? I know you said you should change that to wide appeal, but I am curious to know which releases sold what amount.

Best case scenario they release another classic for #11. It will be LT7 all over again...just about everyone on the boards will get it, but that is it. They must know that the fanbase ain't what it was.

mrchattr
09-25-2007, 05:47 AM
Wow. This sucks. It probably means that we won't get another '07 show right away, and I really wanted some soundboards of some of the new songs. When I got the text telling me about this, I was actually excited because I saw that it was an '07 show...I didn't realize then that it wasn't one with any of the new stuff. What a waste. First LT I won't be getting, even as a DL.

mynameisdon
09-25-2007, 06:47 AM
maybe we'll get fine selections for the Warehouse 8 Volume 4....:lol:lol:boohoo:boohoo

DMBpride
09-25-2007, 07:50 AM
Maybe this was an incorrect assumption on my part, but I didn't think they expected the LT releases to be huge money earners. I thought that was the reason for having the series instead of releasing these shows in stores. I get that they are a business, but if they want to release Live Trax that will be financially successful, then whats the point of doing LT? Just release these shows in stores. With the warehouse membership fee's, ticket prices + fee's, and merchandising and everything else, it seems like it would be nice if the shows that actually launched DMB to the level of success they are at now were in someway available to longtime fans. I dunno, I guess I am spoiled or being naive, it just seems they have enough other stuff thats making good money, that they could afford to release "classic" shows through LT and shows like 5/27/07 in stores.

It's a relative thing- in the grand scheme, these don't compare to major-label releases (i.e.- Radio City)... and alot of that has to do with promotion (or lack of, for LT). They use more grassroots methods- anyone who has ever bought anything from them online, pretty much, gets a newsletter. Their myspace page will always feature it, and that does well with traffic. Their production costs are also relatively low- LT is made in house, from CD pressing to packaging design...

so yes, this isn't huge business, but it is still business. And, let's face it- there is a huge portion of show-going fans who prefer this release to LT7... all their favorite songs (or alot), in one place? More likely to buy. So with that in mind, even removing any financial consideration, releases like LT10 allow them to serve the rest of the fanbase. Besides, if nothing else, it is a nod to the Euro fanbase. If indeed it isn't about money, because sales volume at best, is still low.. then they're acknowledging them as they acknowledged us with LT7 (esp. in light of it's 10 year anniversary timing).




Chris - where do you find the information on total sales numbers?
I get unspecific (number wise) feedback from a few people over there

batleon
09-25-2007, 07:56 AM
Wow. I've been trying not to be too negative lately but this is a terrible pick. That first six song run is absolutely brutal. The Morello tracks are the only thing I'd be interested in. In that case, not even close to enough to make me buy this.

I've only bought 1, 3, 5, 7, and 8. That's a .500 record for this series. Not so good.

Scratching my head over why they'd pick this of all shows. Hey, guess it'll sell in Europe, right? Make more money off of shipping that way.

Wescoast
09-25-2007, 08:16 AM
that opening run is awful

ethaxton
09-25-2007, 08:21 AM
I let out a huge drawn out sigh when I saw the setlist. I've bought all the other releases because I like to collect them but I really can't imagine myself ever having that disc 1 in my cd player.

Zamboni Guy
09-25-2007, 08:54 AM
I get unspecific (number wise) feedback from a few people over there

What kind of ballpark are these in? In the 10-50k's for low and 100-150k's for high?

Zamboni Guy
09-25-2007, 09:02 AM
Interesting that they are offering a slight discount for pre-ordering instead of a gadget.

DMBpride
09-25-2007, 09:21 AM
Interesting that they are offering a slight discount for pre-ordering instead of a gadget.

The only preorder incentives they give are for major label releases... and that 5% discount was what we were supposed to be getting from Warehouse now and then... I think one of their promotional/overview inserts list "member discounts on select merch..." or something like that.

I have no idea exact numbers or even volume ballpark- I just hear more general results, as compared to other Live Trax releases.

JWood
09-25-2007, 09:34 AM
So i guess that counts out the Piedmont Park show or Bowl shows for LT for a while. (if that was their intention)

twostepchris
09-25-2007, 10:10 AM
The email mentions Morello playing electric guitar, but the almanac says acoustic- who's right?

celluloid hero
09-25-2007, 10:22 AM
probably them seeing as we've never heard it and they have

celluloid hero
09-25-2007, 10:26 AM
One thing I was never sure of, is was the LT 7 sales down from others? or down from expectations considering the "demand?" I can't for the life of me figure out why sales were low. It still had all the radio fan friendly songs on it.

shadowraven
09-25-2007, 10:31 AM
looking at the europe shows, this one might be the best one to release, especially w/Morello and the two encores. but really, none jump at me. Nothing From Nothing would've been a cool rarity to release though.

Zamboni Guy
09-25-2007, 10:40 AM
The only preorder incentives they give are for major label releases... and that 5% discount was what we were supposed to be getting from Warehouse now and then... I think one of their promotional/overview inserts list "member discounts on select merch..." or something like that.

They did gadgets with the last two LT's though.....the keychain with LT8 and Poker Chip with LT9.

Jack
09-25-2007, 10:57 AM
probably them seeing as we've never heard it and they have

weren't there pictures of him playing an acoustic from both fans and on the dmband website?

DMBpride
09-25-2007, 11:17 AM
They did gadgets with the last two LT's though.....the keychain with LT8 and Poker Chip with LT9.

ah, youre right- my bad.

Popeye2003
09-25-2007, 12:01 PM
weren't there pictures of him playing an acoustic from both fans and on the dmband website?
And there was a video of #41, I think...

Zamboni Guy
09-25-2007, 12:04 PM
I think Morello's acoustic on this set.

Strugz10
09-25-2007, 01:43 PM
Maybe they're trying to get more sales in Europe?

Mersh
09-25-2007, 02:23 PM
One thing I was never sure of, is was the LT 7 sales down from others? or down from expectations considering the "demand?" I can't for the life of me figure out why sales were low. It still had all the radio fan friendly songs on it.

It was also like the 4th release in a year. People get burnt out...especially the more casual fan.

Mersh
09-25-2007, 02:26 PM
Seems like it should be obvious to everyone that more recent shows will sell better than older shows (even the real classics) given what the majority of the fanbase is like. Hell, even people here don't give a shit about older classics. Ah well, guess we have to wait another 4-6 months.

Mersh
09-25-2007, 02:28 PM
Maybe they're trying to get more sales in Europe?

Probably.

Is DMB really going to catch on big in Europe at this point?

mattinmass
09-25-2007, 02:29 PM
well Europe does have pretty questionable taste in music - so anything is possible

Zamboni Guy
09-25-2007, 02:32 PM
well Europe does have pretty questionable taste in music - so anything is possible

Wow.

Mersh
09-25-2007, 02:36 PM
well Europe does have pretty questionable taste in music - so anything is possible

they might get really big in Germany

mattinmass
09-25-2007, 02:49 PM
they might get really big in Germany

http://www.grannygear.com/Assets/Images/Races/Moab/2004/Karl_Hungus_and_the_Logjammers.jpg

Strugz10
09-25-2007, 03:58 PM
Probably.

Is DMB really going to catch on big in Europe at this point?

I doubt it, but seeing how much they seem to loathe the American fanbase now I bet they would like to open themselves up to a more receptive crowd.

Fan#41
09-25-2007, 04:07 PM
I doubt it, but seeing how much they seem to loathe the American fanbase now I bet they would like to open themselves up to a more receptive crowd.

They don't loathe anyone. They're just stuck in an endless cycle of continuous touring and the same faces every year.

I think with the right marketing, and a strong album, they could regain a good amount of what they lost after 1998 overseas.

Strugz10
09-25-2007, 04:09 PM
They don't loathe anyone. They're just stuck in an endless cycle of continuous touring and the same faces every year.

I think with the right marketing, and a strong album, they could regain a good amount of what they lost after 1998 overseas.

Fair enough. Honestly, if DMB decided to stop touring in the US for a couple of years and toured over in Europe instead it may do a world of wonder for everyone (US fans, DMB, Euro fans) in the end.

Fan#41
09-25-2007, 04:14 PM
Fair enough. Honestly, if DMB decided to stop touring in the US for a couple of years and toured over in Europe instead it may do a world of wonder for everyone (US fans, DMB, Euro fans) in the end.

I completely agree. I think it would rejuvenate DMB, and the "spark" or whatever the hell may be missing may have a chance to sneak back into the band and carry not only over the live shows back home but also in the studio. Maybe it's too little too late, who knows. I don't think they should have just given up on their venture to play overseas after they canceled those dates in late '01.

SteadySmokin03
09-25-2007, 04:23 PM
Sad to say (and as others have already) that no matter how much I may wish to buy this for the sake of consuming all things DMB, the opening 6 song stretch alone will more than likely prevent me, for at least the time being. At this point, just give me some news on the next studio album and I'll be happy.

captainbigeyedpig
09-25-2007, 04:46 PM
I don't know if this idea has been mentioned yet, but if this is mainly to appeal to Non-US fans, why not release it separately? Why not make this show officially released only in Europe or something? That way it would be harder for US fans to get, so the collectors would, but not many others. Then for LT10 give us a '97 or even stick with '07, but one of the shows they KNOW we've been raving over this summer.

I know this is just more complaining, but this is like one step forward, two steps back. One Step forward - bring back SUAD, Shotgun, Dreaming Tree, play new '07 tunes, Two Steps back - most predictable set of shows in awhile, then fading out SUAD, Some Devil, and maybe more. One Step forward - New life for the tour after the Gorge, with some beautiful sets, Two Seps back - releasing a show from this year's spring tour with almost nothing new on it, and not even hyping any of the new songs, or anything.

TDunk
09-25-2007, 05:05 PM
I'm glad Two Step's back opening.

AhoraMazda
09-25-2007, 05:23 PM
well Europe does have pretty questionable taste in music - so anything is possible

Except for Britain and I guess Italy since Ben Harper is huge over there.

Fan#41
09-25-2007, 06:38 PM
I don't know if this idea has been mentioned yet, but if this is mainly to appeal to Non-US fans, why not release it separately? Why not make this show officially released only in Europe or something? That way it would be harder for US fans to get, so the collectors would, but not many others.

They're not at that point yet where they can do that and make money.

whodey
09-25-2007, 06:49 PM
It's a relative thing- in the grand scheme, these don't compare to major-label releases (i.e.- Radio City)... and alot of that has to do with promotion (or lack of, for LT). They use more grassroots methods- anyone who has ever bought anything from them online, pretty much, gets a newsletter. Their myspace page will always feature it, and that does well with traffic. Their production costs are also relatively low- LT is made in house, from CD pressing to packaging design...

so yes, this isn't huge business, but it is still business. And, let's face it- there is a huge portion of show-going fans who prefer this release to LT7... all their favorite songs (or alot), in one place? More likely to buy. So with that in mind, even removing any financial consideration, releases like LT10 allow them to serve the rest of the fanbase. Besides, if nothing else, it is a nod to the Euro fanbase. If indeed it isn't about money, because sales volume at best, is still low.. then they're acknowledging them as they acknowledged us with LT7 (esp. in light of it's 10 year anniversary timing).

I get unspecific (number wise) feedback from a few people over there

I appreciate the response, and allow me to play devil's advocate here. It seems like there is less and less promotion from RCA for DMB releases, and with the recent Starbucks LT release, I would think that would make a decent amount of people at least aware that these releases are out there if they were interested in them. I guess what I don't get is how there is a huge portion of show-going fans who prefer this release to LT7. Reason being, this release is primarily songs that have been released many times, so the only people interested would be those who were at the show, or those who buy everything regardless. I would think at least releases like LT7, or even LT8, have guests, jams, or unreleased songs that aren't available on one of many other releases. To be honest though, with all the releases DMB has and the availability of quality tapes, I would have guessed the sales wouldn't be that much different from one release to the next regardless of show. I could definitely so how there would be a gradual decline as the newness of the series wears off, and people start being more selective in which shows they decide to buy. I wish the sales figures were available. I would be very curious to see which shows sell.

ggies
09-25-2007, 06:53 PM
So when does the cost of them releasing the same songs in the same DMB era(post '01) become more than their revenue? Maybe this one will show that relationship.

I really don't undertand why they keep doing this.

nogerorob
09-25-2007, 08:33 PM
I haven't seen a reception to a DMB-related product this sour since the Dave and Friends cruise.

Mersh
09-25-2007, 09:03 PM
I doubt it, but seeing how much they seem to loathe the American fanbase now I bet they would like to open themselves up to a more receptive crowd.

Maybe so...I just don't see them being the hit in Europe that they are or were here.

Mersh
09-25-2007, 09:04 PM
They don't loathe anyone.

its more of a love/hate relationship

DMBpride
09-25-2007, 09:13 PM
I appreciate the response, and allow me to play devil's advocate here. It seems like there is less and less promotion from RCA for DMB releases, and with the recent Starbucks LT release, I would think that would make a decent amount of people at least aware that these releases are out there if they were interested in them. I guess what I don't get is how there is a huge portion of show-going fans who prefer this release to LT7. Reason being, this release is primarily songs that have been released many times, so the only people interested would be those who were at the show, or those who buy everything regardless. I would think at least releases like LT7, or even LT8, have guests, jams, or unreleased songs that aren't available on one of many other releases. To be honest though, with all the releases DMB has and the availability of quality tapes, I would have guessed the sales wouldn't be that much different from one release to the next regardless of show. I could definitely so how there would be a gradual decline as the newness of the series wears off, and people start being more selective in which shows they decide to buy. I wish the sales figures were available. I would be very curious to see which shows sell.

Think over time, as well. As you said, awareness may be raised via starbucks LT release. The hardcore base is well aware of LT and the Starbucks compilation. When the "casual fans"- and don't think for a sec that they don't vastly outnumber the hardcore base these days- check out the LT web store, this might be a much better sell (remember, myspace pushes the releases too, including set info). I imagine most casual fans don't buy every release... but from experience with many, many of them, the types of released they bought were CP and Folsom, and they overlooked Live in Chicago. CP is a no brainer, but why Folsom? Alot of songs they know and like. You have to realize, that outside of the radio songs, most casual fans (again, my experience) seem to know Two Step (limited radio play), Lie in Our Graves, #41, Warehouse and maybe a handful of others... oh, and basically all of Everyday.

Also, I have noticed that the more time I spend near the merch counter at shows, the more I see casual fans becoming aware of the LT series. I have seen more Fenway and Golden Gate Parks sold than any other dmb cd, major-release or otherwise. This release would seem to be a contender for that realm too.


Alot of this is speculating the gaps in the info I get- and again, what I get is nothing specific in terms of numbers. What I know is that LT6 (Fenway) sold like hotcakes, and LT5 and LT7 didn't.

Mersh
09-25-2007, 09:17 PM
Alot of this is speculating the gaps in the info I get- and again, what I get is nothing specific in terms of numbers. What I know is that LT6 (Fenway) sold like hotcakes, and LT5 and LT7 didn't.

in short...we're f'ed.

Huff
09-25-2007, 09:17 PM
.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the (what I feel is a weak) release.

I just wanted to acknowledge that you sigged me and I actually laughed b/c I forgot about posting that.

Fan#41
09-25-2007, 09:19 PM
its more of a love/hate relationship

the fanbase = Tina and DMB = Ike?

Mersh
09-25-2007, 09:24 PM
the fanbase = Tina and DMB = Ike?

Maybe, I can't think of a better analogy at the moment.

Its like thanks for getting us here, now fuck off.

JWood
09-25-2007, 09:29 PM
I'm not gonna lie, when I was opening up TDC last night during my night class and it showed the recent thread but only had "A Live Trax first..." and I was really hoping/expecting a Dave & Friends show or a Dave & Tim show.

Mersh
09-25-2007, 09:30 PM
I'm not gonna lie, when I was opening up TDC last night during my night class and it showed the recent thread but only had "A Live Trax first..." and I was really hoping/expecting a Dave & Friends show or a Dave & Tim show.

I thought it would be something else as well. The "first thing" threw me.

JWood
09-25-2007, 09:32 PM
:lol :( I was thinking 12.22.03

Strugz10
09-25-2007, 09:35 PM
Maybe so...I just don't see them being the hit in Europe that they are or were here.
I don't either.

Strugz10
09-25-2007, 09:36 PM
Its like thanks for getting us here, now fuck off. :lol :upyours

Mersh
09-25-2007, 09:39 PM
:lol :upyours

and I don't mean that in the way it might come across.

Strugz10
09-25-2007, 09:46 PM
and I don't mean that in the way it might come across.

Yeah I know what you meant. "We play what we want to play."

Huff
09-25-2007, 09:49 PM
http://www.grannygear.com/Assets/Images/Races/Moab/2004/Karl_Hungus_and_the_Logjammers.jpg

:lmao well-played.

Vee believe in nussing!

whodey
09-25-2007, 09:53 PM
Alot of this is speculating the gaps in the info I get- and again, what I get is nothing specific in terms of numbers. What I know is that LT6 (Fenway) sold like hotcakes, and LT5 and LT7 didn't.

Whats the word on how LT8 did? Thats one of my favorite official releases, LT or not. I know '04 is more recent then many people like, but if they released more shows from '04 to try and please both sides of the fence, I'd be happier then I am with these last two '07 shows.

JWood
09-25-2007, 09:56 PM
On setlist and previous live traxs alone, this will probably be my least favorite.

whodey
09-25-2007, 10:06 PM
On setlist and previous live traxs alone, this will probably be my least favorite.

You really like going out on a limb, eh?

DMBpride
09-26-2007, 12:34 PM
Whats the word on how LT8 did? Thats one of my favorite official releases, LT or not. I know '04 is more recent then many people like, but if they released more shows from '04 to try and please both sides of the fence, I'd be happier then I am with these last two '07 shows.

It had "average" sales. I guess you can take that as a mix of hardcore and casual fan purchases. However, LT7 (12.31.96) fell alot shorter than expected... less than LT8, I take it. Fortunately, they realize that it may be related to buyer fatigue... ('06 had dmb pushing alot of stuff), but that aside, they were very suprised.

SO- to everyone who downloaded LT7 and knew they shoulda bought it... it's not too late to send a message about the types of shows you prefer. I'm not gonna dissuade you from LT10... actually that's a lie- don't buy it. Anyone else who was going to, get LT7 as a gift for a friend, instead.