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always40
02-11-2008, 06:32 PM
Has this not been announced yet?
http://davematthewsband.shop.musictoday.com/Product.aspx?cp=1_13176&pc=DM115COMBO

Live Trax Vol. 11 is for Pre-Order and will be released on 3/25/2008. All merchandise ordered with it will ship after the 3:00PM EDT closing on 3/21/2008.

$15.99 - CD or FLAC
$13.99 - 256kb mp3
$11.99 - 128kb mp3

08.29.2000 SPAC, Saratoga Springs, NY The summer of 2000 found DMB continuing to evolve; each band member was really “coming into their own”, showcasing their individual talents and strengths on stage. Butch Taylor joined DMB during the summer of 2000 and has been performing with Dave Matthews Band ever since! Although the SPAC show occurred towards the end of the summer tour, DMB managed to pull out some real surprises on stage that August evening.

DMB gained traction immediately with show opener The Stone and didn’t slow down until Grace is Gone, a new song introduced that summer. Digging A Ditch is also a song on the SPAC setlist which debuted during the 2000 summer tour. To the delight of every hardcore DMB fan in the house, noted rarity Minarets was performed. Lie In Our Graves was played and featured spectacular solos by Boyd and Butch. The band teased the first few notes of Too Much after Anyone Seen the Bridge but threw the crowd for a loop when they completely switched gears and launched into an incredible Ants Marching jam. #41 was performed with lots of momentum with LeRoi pulling out all the stops. Lastly, Daniel Lanois’ spirited song The Maker is also a highlight of the 2000 SPAC show.

Disc 1

The Stone
Rhyme & Reason
Don’t Drink the Water
#41
Grace Is Gone
JTR
What Would You Say
The Maker
All Along The Watchtower

Disc 2

Crash Into Me
Minarets
Lie In Our Graves
Bartender
So Much To Say
Too Much
Ants Marching
Digging a Ditch
Pantala Naga Pampa
Rapunzel

http://i32.tinypic.com/15gt7qf.jpg

whodey
02-11-2008, 06:34 PM
nice find

whodey
02-11-2008, 06:35 PM
I know people were wanting a '97 show, but this is pretty strong.

lcause
02-11-2008, 06:36 PM
I like the looks of that setlist, but I find it a little strange that we already have this Minarets...

Tomacco
02-11-2008, 06:36 PM
Would have preferred the 2002 show, but this is still cool. Had it not already been released, I'd be looking most forward to this Minarets.

rvn10manu
02-11-2008, 06:37 PM
I like the looks of that setlist, but I find it a little strange that we already have this Minarets...



LT1 we already had that #41....looks like a pretty solid set

JorgeCavos
02-11-2008, 06:40 PM
http://www.dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453054434&tid=13&where=2000

Too Much (fake) -> Ants FTW

Good pick, management

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:40 PM
Oh wow, nice.

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:41 PM
I just listened to this last week or so.

ggies
02-11-2008, 06:42 PM
cool, but there are at least 8 of those songs on LIC......classic art work though.

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:42 PM
The Stone
Rhyme and Reason
Don't Drink the Water
#41 :segue
Grace Is Gone
JTR
What Would You Say
The Maker :segue
All Along the Watchtower
Crash Into Me
Minarets
Lie in Our Graves
Bartender
So Much to Say :segue
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Too Much [fake] :segue
Ants Marching
Encore:
Digging a Ditch
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel

pgr17
02-11-2008, 06:43 PM
nice find always40 :upyours

i edited your post to add in more info.

this isn't bad... but still wanted that summer '97. next one right?

ThememanXX
02-11-2008, 06:44 PM
I don't know, there were alot of better 2000 shows, but this one's solid.

JorgeCavos
02-11-2008, 06:44 PM
nice find always40 :upyours

i edited your post to add in more info.

this isn't bad... but still wanted that summer '97. next one right?

I've been saying that for the past 5 Trax...

italy8384
02-11-2008, 06:44 PM
I mean we already have livetrax 8/27/00, what makes decide to pick the next show with 7 repeats from 8/27? Not bashing the show it looks good but they need to mix it up more.

pgr17
02-11-2008, 06:44 PM
I've been saying that for the past 5 Trax...

me too... :(

BUT at least it isn't another '07, '06, '05, or '04 show... still - give us a summer '97 :)

noletorious901
02-11-2008, 06:45 PM
:upyours much better

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:45 PM
nice find always40 :upyours

i edited your post to add in more info.

this isn't bad... but still wanted that summer '97. next one right?
Agreed. Kinda wish they would've picked one with a 2000 Sweet Up and Down. But this is a nice refresher after LT 9 & 10.

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:45 PM
So maybe we'll get a Warehouse disc announcement this week then.

pgr17
02-11-2008, 06:46 PM
So maybe we'll get a Warehouse disc announcement this week then.

and then we'll have nothing bad to say about the WH for a couple months :p

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:47 PM
and then we'll have nothing bad to say about the WH for a couple months :p

i do want to know though, how do people find these things?

It does seem like they like to tell a lot of information at once.

Dave & Tim dates
Live Trax 11
Warehouse Disc
DMB dates

all probably pretty close to each other when it's all said and done.

pgr17
02-11-2008, 06:49 PM
remember that fiasco with 8/23/95 when the coverart said 8/31/95? now that is a show i wished they released (only for the fact that Best Of What's Around was on there). plus seemed a bit stronger of a show.

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:50 PM
6 weeks from tomorrow, right after Easter.

I like how they're keeping on with the announcement ~6 weeks until release date. Sure I'd prefer sooner, but that's better than when it started.

italy8384
02-11-2008, 06:50 PM
It does seem like they like to tell a lot of information at once.

Dave & Tim dates
Live Trax 11
Warehouse Disc
DMB dates

all probably pretty close to each other when it's all said and done.

I'm guessing it wont mention the warehouse disc at all, they want to push this one there selling not remind people that they are supposed to be receiving a free (technically not) disc. Plus a stay tuned for DMB dates in the coming weeks tagged on the end.

ggies
02-11-2008, 06:50 PM
9.16.00 would have been better, but it is nice that its not another shitty show.

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:50 PM
remember that fiasco with 8/23/95 when the coverart said 8/31/95? now that is a show i wished they released (only for the fact that Best Of What's Around was on there). plus seemed a bit stronger of a show.

:lol Another case of people finding it before it was announced too.

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:52 PM
Well here's your show SPAC.

Next show after Live Trax 3.

italy8384
02-11-2008, 06:52 PM
Be nice if they had the balls to let fans vote on the livetrax release instead of the useless opener survey they do every year.

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:53 PM
Be nice if they had the balls to let fans vote on the livetrax release instead of the useless opener survey they do every year.

Not like it would matter.

Moses
02-11-2008, 06:54 PM
love this release.

lets hope the mix is as stellar as LT3

JWood
02-11-2008, 06:57 PM
love this release.

lets hope the mix is as stellar as LT3

:upyours

sarge
02-11-2008, 07:01 PM
nice

killymagee
02-11-2008, 07:02 PM
I'm very pleased with this one.

patsfan39
02-11-2008, 07:11 PM
aside from the fact that it doesnt have another 2000 grey street (the best year imo) and sweet up and down it looks nice.

vandamit
02-11-2008, 07:14 PM
the AUD recording from this is Phenomenal.

ALOT of repeats from Live trax 3

Minarets was already released on WH5.v.3.


id rather have had a summer 97 live trax.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 07:15 PM
Very nice call. :upyours

Hopefully Boyd's turned up nice and high on this. One of his finest shows ever. This Lie in Our Graves and Grace are both so gorgeous.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 07:15 PM
the AUD recording from this is Phenomenal.

ALOT of repeats from Live trax 3

Minarets was already released on WH5.v.3.


id rather have had a summer 97 live trax.

Not my top choice, for precisely these reasons. That being said, it's a fucking fantastic show.

vandamit
02-11-2008, 07:17 PM
Not my top choice, for precisely these reasons. That being said, it's a fucking fantastic show.

well yea, the show is great.

but there isn't really a point in releasing it as a Live Trax.


but we'll all buy it up and line Coran$ Pocket$

sarge
02-11-2008, 07:18 PM
the AUD recording from this is Phenomenal.

ALOT of repeats from Live trax 3

Minarets was already released on WH5.v.3.


id rather have had a summer 97 live trax.
all valid points

bsan83
02-11-2008, 07:18 PM
well yea, the show is great.

but there isn't really a point in releasing it as a Live Trax.


but we'll all buy it up and line Coran$ Pocket$

This show >>>>>> the last two.

And there wasn't much "reason" for LT 5 either, and that's a great release.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 07:19 PM
Really, go listen to this LIOG now.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:32 PM
cool, but there are at least 8 of those songs on LIC......classic art work though.

Does this fall under your "I won't buy anything until a new album comes out!" edict?

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:32 PM
oh and sweet release. I don't even care that we have an amazing tape of this show. this is a classic IMO.

plus everyone knows I'm a SPAC homer. Sure, there are a couple other SPAC shows I would have liked (as this will probabaly be the only one released ever or for quite some time), but this is a great show.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:34 PM
the "Minarets was on a WH disc" argument is pretty weak IMO. I'll give you the similarity to LT3 stuff and the quality of the aud argument, but who cares if one track was released. I'm never going to complain about solid 2000 shows.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:36 PM
And there wasn't much "reason" for LT 5 either, and that's a great release.

Yup

bsan83
02-11-2008, 07:36 PM
the "Minarets was on a WH disc" argument is pretty weak IMO. I'll give you the similarity to LT3 stuff and the quality of the aud argument, but who cares if one track was released. I'm never going to complain about solid 2000 shows.

Absolutely. :upyours

This one's going to really grow on a lot of people, methinks.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:37 PM
someone else post in here...I feel stupid.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:37 PM
Absolutely. :upyours

This one's going to really grow on a lot of people, methinks.

LT3 is probably my favorite LT...well its neck and neck with LT7...so I am sure this will be right up there.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 07:39 PM
I'm probably going to post about getting this LIOG mixed about 391048308 times in here. I'm legitimately giddy about that.

I think I remember really enjoying this Ditch as well.

RB3
02-11-2008, 07:39 PM
Two back-to-back shows get officially released?

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:40 PM
Two back-to-back shows get officially released? Atleast the only commonalities are JTR and Busted Stuff

Bartender
Grace
Maker
Ants
Stone

edit: edit

Poth Ead
02-11-2008, 07:41 PM
the AUD recording from this is Phenomenal.

ALOT of repeats from Live trax 3

Minarets was already released on WH5.v.3.


id rather have had a summer 97 live trax.

.

but, all-in-all, a nice selection...better than all that 2007 shit that was thrown at us...
This version of LIOG is TITS!

An LT release from the September 2000 run would of been very nice...

Tomacco
02-11-2008, 07:41 PM
the "Minarets was on a WH disc" argument is pretty weak IMO. I'll give you the similarity to LT3 stuff and the quality of the aud argument, but who cares if one track was released. I'm never going to complain about solid 2000 shows.

My problem with that is simply that if ANY other show with Minarets was released, I'd be looking forward to listening to that song a lot, since I love the song and we have very few releases of it. No big deal though, this will still be one of the best LTs to date for sure. LT3 is wicked. But again, for variety's sake, I would have loved the 2002 SPAC show (So Right, KKJ, LLD, Raven, Loving Wings, YNK - it's just got more previously lesser released songs).

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:43 PM
My problem with that is simply that if ANY other show with Minarets was released, I'd be looking forward to listening to that song a lot, since I love the song and we have very few releases of it. No big deal though, this will still be one of the best LTs to date for sure. LT3 is wicked. But again, for variety's sake, I would have loved the 2002 SPAC show (So Right, KKJ, LLD, Raven, Loving Wings, YNK - it's just got more previously lesser released songs).

02 SPAC also has ED tunes in the mix. I'd rather this...actually I'd rather 7.26.98, but this is fine by me. Obvious bias here though.

Poth Ead
02-11-2008, 07:43 PM
The 2000 tour are mighty fine memories... I'll pretty much take any 2000 show

bsan83
02-11-2008, 07:44 PM
02 SPAC also has ED tunes in the mix. I'd rather this...actually I'd rather 7.26.98, but this is fine by me. Obvious bias here though.

Exact same opinion here. '02 would have been nice (Monkey, KKJ, Raven, etc.), and that '98 would have been phenominal (Graves opener, Last Stop, Seek Up, etc.). This is a treat though for sure.

pgr17
02-11-2008, 07:45 PM
summer '97 it is not, but i am looking forward to this release :upyours

Tomacco
02-11-2008, 07:46 PM
02 SPAC also has ED tunes in the mix. I'd rather this...actually I'd rather 7.26.98, but this is fine by me. Obvious bias here though.

I Did It is the only song that's an offender on there, IMO.

dmb8021
02-11-2008, 07:46 PM
another show i've yet to hear, so that's always a plus for me with these releases

Poth Ead
02-11-2008, 07:47 PM
This is a nice way to kick-off the second 10 volumes from the series... Hopefully, this is the beginning of a sweet-ass run of "classic" releases (a 2002 show included somewhere in there)

bsan83
02-11-2008, 07:49 PM
another show i've yet to hear, so that's always a plus for me with these releases

Really? That's surprising, and needs to be remedied.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:49 PM
The thing is it is a great (would classic be an overstatement?) DMB show. This is what we want from LT, no? I mean I get the "complaints", but this is the kind of stuff I want from LT not the flavor of the tour nonsense.

dmb8021
02-11-2008, 07:50 PM
Really? That's surprising, and needs to be remedied.

well, it will be remedied when I get it.

vandamit
02-11-2008, 07:50 PM
The thing is it is a great (would classic be an overstatement?) DMB show. This is what we want from LT, no? I mean I get the "complaints", but this is the kind of stuff I want from LT not the flavor of the tour nonsense.

Yes.

I will say, Id much rather have this over anything from 2005-2007

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:51 PM
I Did It is the only song that's an offender on there, IMO.

Never been a big So Right guy, IIHIA is bad, and WAYG is in there. Don't get me wrong I love that show, but if you look at the shows at SPAC that isn't top 3 IMO...well maybe #3.

pgr17
02-11-2008, 07:51 PM
The thing is it is a great (would classic be an overstatement?) DMB show. This is what we want from LT, no? I mean I get the "complaints", but this is the kind of stuff I want from LT not the flavor of the tour nonsense.

oh of course... this is what all live trax should be. i love the "unknown" picks of 4/3/96 and 8/23/95 and the "classic" picks of 8/27/00, 12/31/96, and 8/29/00. i just wish they would keep along those lines and put out the recent shows or "big" shows as just regular live releases. keep the live trax releases true to the spirit of what they started out as.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:51 PM
another show i've yet to hear, so that's always a plus for me with these releases

yeah, you need this.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:52 PM
oh of course... this is what all live trax should be. i love the "unknown" picks of 4/3/96 and 8/23/95 and the "classic" picks of 8/27/00, 12/31/96, and 8/29/00. i just wish they would keep along those lines and put out the recent shows or "big" shows as just regular live releases. keep the live trax releases true to the spirit of what they started out as.

agreed

bsan83
02-11-2008, 07:52 PM
Never been a big So Right guy, IIHIA is bad, and WAYG is in there. Don't get me wrong I love that show, but if you look at the shows at SPAC that isn't top 3 IMO...well maybe #3.

Loving Wings was still poo at this point too.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:52 PM
So, 6 weeks...damn.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:52 PM
Loving Wings was still poo at this point too.

I'm still not a big LW guy...yeah, I said it. It is better now though (or more current versions I mean)

pgr17
02-11-2008, 07:53 PM
I'm still not a big LW guy...yeah, I said it.

:upyours

Mersh
02-11-2008, 07:57 PM
the first bit of DMB news in weeks has been up for an hour and only 72 posts?

bsan83
02-11-2008, 07:59 PM
the first bit of DMB news in weeks has been up for an hour and only 72 posts?

And it's actually good news!

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:00 PM
I guess I'll have to go check out the action at am.org.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:01 PM
no t-shirt bundle?

bsan83
02-11-2008, 08:03 PM
Heh I think I still have the surfboard tshirt from that year somewhere.

CRUSHsoccer15
02-11-2008, 08:04 PM
Looks like a cool release. I love LT3.

It'll be cool to have (Too Much) > Ants.

ggies
02-11-2008, 08:06 PM
Does this fall under your "I won't buy anything until a new album comes out!" edict?

:lol hmm, no, its a nice release. If its a shitty release of something, then I'm not buying just to buy it for collectors reasons. I use to get everything that came out, but now too much of it is shitty.

ethaxton
02-11-2008, 08:08 PM
Nice release, like someone said, this reminds me of the whole LT5 thing and I loved that release.

bidroc
02-11-2008, 08:12 PM
Really, go listen to this LIOG now.

One of the best for sure.

bidroc
02-11-2008, 08:14 PM
the first bit of DMB news in weeks has been up for an hour and only 72 posts?

The primaries are actually more exciting than DMB land news.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:16 PM
The primaries are actually more exciting than DMB land news.

they should be.

ggies
02-11-2008, 08:18 PM
they should be.

agreed.

bidroc
02-11-2008, 08:20 PM
good to see Clinton will be out of there soon.

bbycrei
02-11-2008, 08:20 PM
I own this show, I don't know if I've listened to it before. I'll give it a listen and see if it's worth buying the Live Trax.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 08:22 PM
I'm surprised that folks haven't heard this one before.

pgr17
02-11-2008, 08:23 PM
well our community has been going downhill for some time now. this doesn't surprise me. ;)

http://www.dreamingtree.org/details.php?id=4187

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:25 PM
I'm surprised that folks haven't heard this one before.

its getting to the point where 00 is like a 93 show to people.

Pay4WhatUGet
02-11-2008, 08:25 PM
No Raven or Grey Street. Booooooooo

I'm not a really big fan of this choice, but it could have been worse.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 08:25 PM
Yeah, if you haven't listened to this show, remedy that now. You'll be MUCH more excited for this.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:25 PM
I own this show, I don't know if I've listened to it before. I'll give it a listen and see if it's worth buying the Live Trax.

It is a later 2000 show...its worth buying.

ggies
02-11-2008, 08:25 PM
its getting to the point where 00 is like a 93 show to people.

not good, not good. :nono

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:26 PM
How can one or two tracks make or break a show?

bidroc
02-11-2008, 08:27 PM
Does anyone have just the LIOG they could post from this show? I need to hear it again, been awhile.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 08:27 PM
its getting to the point where 00 is like a 93 show to people.

Apparently. Hell, this is one of the 5 or so best known '00 shows too.

JWood
02-11-2008, 08:28 PM
LT3 is probably my favorite LT...well its neck and neck with LT7...so I am sure this will be right up there.

Agreed. My favorite LT is 3, with 1 & 7 tied for 2nd.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:28 PM
Apparently. Hell, this is one of the 5 or so best known '00 shows too.

yeah if for no other reason than the quality of Brown's tape.

pgr17
02-11-2008, 08:29 PM
How can one or two tracks make or break a show?

some people are just silly. or bit torrent is to blame.

so where were your seats at this show, Mersh?

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:32 PM
some people are just silly. or bit torrent is to blame.

so where were your seats at this show, Mersh?

Pretty decent, but don't remember exactly where.

TDunk
02-11-2008, 08:32 PM
great release

Pay4WhatUGet
02-11-2008, 08:32 PM
I have heard this show, and it is good, but there are a lot of others that I'd rather have from '00.....

7.9.00
9.4.00
9.10.00
9.16.00
9.20.00

Not bashing the release, but not a big fan or the choice here, if we are doing another 2000 show.

pgr17
02-11-2008, 08:34 PM
please use this thread (http://www.thesedayscontinue.org/showthread.php?t=198291) for all other dates you'd rather have than this one.

JWood
02-11-2008, 08:34 PM
Breakdown for all you kids at home:
Live Trax Vols. 1-5
98
04
00
96
95
Live Trax Vols. 6-11
06
96
04
07
07
00

Pay4WhatUGet
02-11-2008, 08:35 PM
please use this thread (http://www.thesedayscontinue.org/showthread.php?t=198291) for all other dates you'd rather have than this one.

Oh sorry. Don't want to ruin the discussion.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 08:35 PM
I have heard this show, and it is good, but there are a lot of others that I'd rather have from '00.....

7.9.00
9.4.00
9.10.00
9.16.00
9.20.00

Not bashing the release, but not a big fan or the choice here, if we are doing another 2000 show.

Just means we'll hopefully get some more DMBela for the '97 show, one day.

JWood
02-11-2008, 08:38 PM
Sidenote: Do we have any '97 material at all? Besides that Crash from one of the singles.

pgr17
02-11-2008, 08:39 PM
Sidenote: Do we have any '97 material at all? Besides that Crash from one of the singles.

i think that is it... maybe another single somewhere?... :downyours

Pay4WhatUGet
02-11-2008, 08:39 PM
Just means we'll hopefully get some more DMBela for the '97 show, one day.

Yeah, the 6.6.97 would have been an nice SPAC choice.

OK mods, thats the end of my de-railment. :hi

JWood
02-11-2008, 08:40 PM
that is it... :downyours

Wow, that really is surprising.

Anyways, '97 is coming, it has to be. But i'm excited for this release.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 08:42 PM
If this sells shitty, I may go postal.

julio_havok
02-11-2008, 08:42 PM
I can't believe this will be released less than a week after my aunt comes to Brazil! :boohoo

I don't wanna pay custom taxes again.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:43 PM
If this sells shitty, I may go postal.

it will, might as well go postal now.

JWood
02-11-2008, 08:43 PM
If this sells shitty, I may go postal.

To the casual Live Trax fan it may because there already is a 2000 show out with some of the same tunes.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 08:44 PM
it will, might as well go postal now.

Meh, I'll at least wait 6 weeks before slipping into ggies mode.

JWood
02-11-2008, 08:44 PM
I can't believe this will be released less than a week after my aunt comes to Brazil! :boohoo

I don't wanna pay custom taxes again.

Just use Oink bro.

Pay4WhatUGet
02-11-2008, 08:44 PM
If this sells shitty, I may go postal.

<sarcasm>Were most current DMB fans even born when this show was played? <sarcasm>

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:46 PM
To the casual Live Trax fan it may because there already is a 2000 show out with some of the same tunes.

I agree, but the concept of the casual LT fan is strange to me. I mean LT is something you sort of have to search out. I would think anyone who is interested in LT at all is a bigger DMB fan. Then again, people don't give a shit about a DMB show if it didn't happen in the last couple years.

bbycrei
02-11-2008, 08:47 PM
I'm surprised that folks haven't heard this one before.

That or people just don't remember every show they listened to. I can pick a few out, and I can't remember the last DMB show I listened to months ago (I think it was 94 show).

Rowsdower
02-11-2008, 08:47 PM
I'm kind of disappointed that they didn't pick 7-29-02, but I would have to be foolish to be unhappy with this release. It's an awesome show. IMO, 8-29-00 > 8-27-00. This Grace is Gone is really gorgeous.

JWood
02-11-2008, 08:48 PM
I agree, but the concept of the casual LT fan is strange to me. I mean LT is something you sort of have to search out. I would think anyone who is interested in LT at all is a bigger DMB fan. Then again, people don't give a shit about a DMB show if it didn't happen in the last couple years.

Yeah, although I think the selling LT at shows helps it for the casual fan. I remember at Alpine this year, drunk ass kids saw the LT Alpine sign and thought it was the coolest thing ever, or that it was the previous night's show. So I think that is how they would help get the casual fans in.

But I agree, LT is definitely for the fans like us, that use the boards, etc.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 08:51 PM
That or people just don't remember every show they listened to. I can pick a few out, and I can't remember the last DMB show I listened to months ago (I think it was 94 show).

Meh, its not like this is some random show. I mean this is one of the 00 shows that gets talked about pretty regularly and the tape is pretty well known because it sounds so good. I mean I can't remember the ins and outs of every show, but there are some shows that I just remember because of how frequently they are talked about.

Pay4WhatUGet
02-11-2008, 08:54 PM
The one good thing about this release is that it is a pure LT. This is the kind of show that the series should contain. If they want to release more current shows, they need to use the Piedmont Park method, and not tard up LT.

dmb2much40
02-11-2008, 08:56 PM
I'm kind of disappointed that they didn't pick 7-29-02, but I would have to be foolish to be unhappy with this release. It's an awesome show.

see, i'm surprised they didn't pick the '02 show, just because that seems to be the popular choice.

i'm really excited for this release - it's a great show overall, from my favorite tour.

bbycrei
02-11-2008, 08:57 PM
Meh, its not like this is some random show. I mean this is one of the 00 shows that gets talked about pretty regularly and the tape is pretty well known because it sounds so good. I mean I can't remember the ins and outs of every show, but there are some shows that I just remember because of how frequently they are talked about.

Shame I can't remember listening to it. I'll pop this in on my way to work tomorrow and see if it jogs my memory.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 08:59 PM
see, i'm surprised they didn't pick the '02 show, just because that seems to be the popular choice.

i'm really excited for this release - it's a great show overall, from my favorite tour.

This show is better.

Smokey the Bear
02-11-2008, 09:00 PM
Nice. Hopefully they can get the mix to sound similar to LT3

dmb2much40
02-11-2008, 09:01 PM
This show is better.

i know.

no everyday :thumbsup

Mersh
02-11-2008, 09:01 PM
This show is better.

Agreed...02 is the popular choice because more people are familiar with it.

Fan#41
02-11-2008, 09:01 PM
I'm interested to hear how they mix certain performances, because this was easily one of the best shows from an already amazing year, BUT on the other hand, 7/26/98 probably would have been a better choice for a SPAC release.

Rowsdower
02-11-2008, 09:02 PM
This show is better.

Maybe, but I know I wanted the '02 show for the songs we don't have a lot of versions of released and the fact that we only have the Gorge release to represent '02. This might be a better show, but I think 7-29-02 would have been a better release.

I'm not complaining, just making an observation.

bsan83
02-11-2008, 09:04 PM
Maybe, but I know I wanted the '02 show for the songs we don't have a lot of versions of released and the fact that we only have the Gorge release to represent '02. This might be a better show, but I think 7-29-02 would have been a better release.

I'm not complaining, just making an observation.

There are better '02 shows for a release (4.4, 4.7, 7.26, 8.11, etc.).

Fan#41
02-11-2008, 09:04 PM
Maybe, but I know I wanted the '02 show for the songs we don't have a lot of versions of released and the fact that we only have the Gorge release to represent '02. This might be a better show, but I think 7-29-02 would have been a better release.

I'm not complaining, just making an observation.

7/29 was a great '02 show, but so was 8/27, a few of the spring shows, and even 8/11 would make a great release. We do need another '02 someday for sure.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 09:04 PM
I'm interested to hear how they mix certain performances, because this was easily one of the best shows from an already amazing year, BUT on the other hand, 7/26/98 probably would have been a better choice for a SPAC release.

I agree, I was really hoping for 7.26.98 when they released a SPAC show. Ah well, I've got no real complaints about this one.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 09:04 PM
7/29 was a great '02 show, but so was 8/27, a few of the spring shows, and even 8/11 would make a great release. We do need another '02 someday for sure.

agreed

BlueWaterDMB
02-11-2008, 09:05 PM
Meh

Rowsdower
02-11-2008, 09:05 PM
There are better '02 shows for a release (4.4, 4.7, 7.26, 8.11, etc.).

I would probably disagree with a few of those, but whatever. It's a moot point.

bbycrei
02-11-2008, 09:06 PM
I still love how Dave decided to try the 12 string on other songs. It's a cool experiment he did during the tour I wish he tried more often.

willndmb
02-11-2008, 09:07 PM
nice to see spac but as i always thought it should have been 97

Mersh
02-11-2008, 09:09 PM
nice to see spac but as i always thought it should have been 97

Good show, but there are a few other 97s I'd put ahead of that one. I see your point though, if it was going to be a SPAC then 97 for you.

Fan#41
02-11-2008, 09:18 PM
I would probably disagree with a few of those, but whatever. It's a moot point.

Check out this 41 from 8/27, Jeff. Easily one of the finest performances of song period. I really like the order of the solos too, Boyd, Butch, then Roi to cap it all off.

#41 - 8/27/02
http://www.mediafire.com/?4dl10kxbfiw

bbycrei
02-11-2008, 09:21 PM
Anyone also notice that you can get LT 10 for the same price if you buy both of them. Not a bad deal.

Poth Ead
02-11-2008, 09:27 PM
Did the mix for Minarets on WH5v.3 omit Carter's GONG at the beginning of the tune??? For some reason, I remember hearing his gong on the aud.

Fan#41
02-11-2008, 09:30 PM
Did the mix for Minarets on WH5v.3 omit Carter's GONG at the beginning of the tune??? For some reason, I remember hearing his gong on the aud.

Yeah. Someone made the point of the crew not thinking of proplerly micing the gong or something to that effect which is why it's heard on the aud but the sbd mix. But I don't think something like that will effect anything else.

PurePlayer34
02-11-2008, 09:39 PM
:nod

Crush87
02-11-2008, 09:43 PM
I havent read through the posts, if I'm being a little bitch just tell me...

Love the show, listened to it the other night, what a fucking tape by Brown. But there is just no digging going on at dmb camp. Blah blah blah, im sure theres seven pages of this, we have a show from two nights prior. I really wanted something pre-2000. Oh well, at least it's a great show

Crush87
02-11-2008, 09:44 PM
By the way, this is easily one of my favorite #41's. Dave's voice is fucking perfect


Damn i really wanted a '97 or '93

celluloid hero
02-11-2008, 09:44 PM
I don't know, there were alot of better 2000 shows, but this one's solid.

I don't think there are a whole lot better shows in their history, let alone 2000. This is one of the greatest shows they've ever played.

d.m.bfan222
02-11-2008, 09:46 PM
I don't think there are a whole lot better shows in their history, let alone 2000. This is one of the greatest shows they've ever played.

I completely agree. This show is in my top 5 (of many) attended. Really looking forward to this release.

Crush87
02-11-2008, 09:47 PM
I don't think there are a whole lot better shows in their history, let alone 2000. This is one of the greatest shows they've ever played.

And as a man that hates Graves I'm sure youll admit this is one of Boyd's finest solo's.

As someone who's not big on Butch I even love what he does with his part. I love the interplay between Butch and Boyd.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 09:49 PM
I havent read through the posts, if I'm being a little bitch just tell me...

Love the show, listened to it the other night, what a fucking tape by Brown. But there is just no digging going on at dmb camp. Blah blah blah, im sure theres seven pages of this, we have a show from two nights prior. I really wanted something pre-2000. Oh well, at least it's a great show

there are really only a handful of those comments.

Crush87
02-11-2008, 09:50 PM
there are really only a handful of those comments.

you upset with the pick Mersh? Agree with what I said? I know you wanted a '98 SPAC.

Crush87
02-11-2008, 09:51 PM
It's funny too, of all the shows I own, if I had to pick one that needed a release because of quality, 8/29 would be at the bottom of the list :lol

Such is life, who knows, maybe they really dug through some stuff for the WH8, we'll see

Mersh
02-11-2008, 09:52 PM
you upset with the pic Mersh? Agree with what I said? I know yo wanted a '98 SPAC.

Not upset at all. Yeah I wanted 7.26.98 if I was going to get a SPAC (lets face it we will probably never get another), but this is a great show. Yeah we have a great tape of it, but this is still one of the best shows I've ever been to.

Crush87
02-11-2008, 09:54 PM
Not upset at all. Yeah I wanted 7.26.98 if I was going to get a SPAC (lets face it we will probably never get another), but this is a great show. Yeah we have a great tape of it, but this is still one of the best shows I've ever been to.

Cool, good to hear. There's not one bad performance from this one for sure.
Again, my only complaint is the apparent lack of digging.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 09:55 PM
Cool, good to hear. There's not one bad performance from this one for sure.

I get what you are saying though, but as people have said a few times you can't really complain about a great show. Obviously "complaint" is being used loosely by everyone though...I hope anyway.

Mersh
02-11-2008, 09:56 PM
Again, my only complaint is the apparent lack of digging.

Much better than the last 2 LTs at least. Say it had been like 6.8.97 or something similar, not really much digging there either. Older, but just as well known. No serious argument here, just talking of course.

celluloid hero
02-11-2008, 10:07 PM
one interesting thing about this show is that Dave messes up a lyric in the first 4 songs, but it doesn't matter. It transcends the little mistakes. It's too bad it won't start with the end of "I Want To Take You Higher." The mood on the AUD is set up perfectly by it.

seekup19
02-11-2008, 10:24 PM
Yeah. Someone made the point of the crew not thinking of proplerly micing the gong or something to that effect which is why it's heard on the aud but the sbd mix. But I don't think something like that will effect anything else.
Nah man, I think it was just a bad mix on LT3. It was loud and clear on the AUD, there's no way that was raw sound from the gong that didn't make it into the PA. That bitch was mic'ed perfectly. Let's just hope the mix is better this time!

I love Minarets on the 12 string. This is the best version of that song by far IMHO.

batleon
02-11-2008, 10:35 PM
Too bad they decided to release a show where an already great AUD was in circulation. But this is one of the best shows from '00. So I guess I can't complain too much. It's certainly a step in the right direction.

Fan#41
02-11-2008, 10:42 PM
Nah man, I think it was just a bad mix on LT3. It was loud and clear on the AUD, there's no way that was raw sound from the gong that didn't make it into the PA. That bitch was mic'ed perfectly. Let's just hope the mix is better this time!

It very well could have conflicted with something thus forcing them to cut it from the mix. I really don't know. But the mix, even without the gong, was perfect on the WH5 cut.

Rowsdower
02-11-2008, 10:52 PM
I love Minarets on the 12 string. This is the best version of that song by far IMHO.

It's a great version for sure, but I'm sure there are better. The BEST version would have to have to scat intro and Tomorrow Never Knows, IMO. I think I remember Dave singing a line wrong during this version too. Not knitpicking, just tossing that in.

I wanna hear this Grace is Gone.

celluloid hero
02-11-2008, 10:53 PM
Too bad they decided to release a show where an already great AUD was in circulation. But this is one of the best shows from '00. So I guess I can't complain too much. It's certainly a step in the right direction.

You need to go listen to Minarets on the AUD, then go throw in WH5 v3 and report back to us. The sound is so dramatically different on the SBD that I will never use this as any reason to release something separate. Scott's tape is one of the best ever and it's blown out of the water. People said the same thing about 8.27 until they heard it. Wouldn't you rather have one of the greatest shows released with a great AUD than just a pretty good show without a great source? I would. When all is said and done, no matter who taped what and how it sounds, you're still left with what's on the cd. That's it. I don't think it's "Too bad" at all.

seekup19
02-11-2008, 11:02 PM
It very well could have conflicted with something thus forcing them to cut it from the mix. I really don't know. But the mix, even without the gong, was perfect on the WH5 cut.
i mean the gong is still there on WH5v3, it's just not as loud as on the AUD. i think it's just mix. see 0:26 and 0:46 into the song.

either way, killer mix. that 12 banger is awesome.

Crush87
02-11-2008, 11:14 PM
I like how you can't hear Butch's cheap sitar shit on WH5

toomanychoices
02-11-2008, 11:26 PM
I am excited. Even though no one will care that I am excited.

Hopper
02-11-2008, 11:40 PM
Nice choice. Never heard the show before, so it will be fun when I get it. Like mentioned before, there are others I would prefer over this, but this will be great. Plus, it's not an 07 Thank God.

sdaltons
02-11-2008, 11:54 PM
i'm pretty pleased with this.

i'm excited that they have another chance to get the Minarets mix right (wh5v3 is like the gorge of wh discs to me, some great songs, but poorly mixed). if it sounds like LT3, this minarets will probably be one of my most played DMB tracks pretty quick. love the version.

i'm excited to hear this LIOG, which is getting a lot of props in this thread.

i'm very excited to get the smts->astb->(too much)->ants marching.

its a solid set that i can't wait to hear and i'm glad to be getting something. sincerely hope they get the warehouse package info out soon, also.

pgr17
02-12-2008, 12:11 AM
Check out this 41 from 8/27, Jeff. Easily one of the finest performances of song period. I really like the order of the solos too, Boyd, Butch, then Roi to cap it all off.

#41 - 8/27/02
http://www.mediafire.com/?4dl10kxbfiw

damn you weren't kidding. :cool

we really need more Roi solos this tour... this is fantastic.

ggies
02-12-2008, 12:14 AM
damn you weren't kidding. :cool

we really need more Roi solos this tour... this is fantastic.

and we really need more solos in the new material. Hopefully they will work on that in the studio.

Strugz10
02-12-2008, 12:35 AM
This is fantastic, I hope they mix it just like LT 3 since that's honestly my favorite mixed show out there. I love how well they used Fonzi on LT 3.

Everyone here needs to buy this release, it's your responsibility as a true fan of the band to support great classic shows like this and not these thrill of the moment shows as of late. I haven't bought a show since LT 7 and I'll definitely be buying these CDs.

Emily
02-12-2008, 12:37 AM
I'm just excited to have a SPAC LT release. And this was an excellent choice. :upyours

MaLaKaS
02-12-2008, 01:33 AM
I'll definitly be getting this one for sure. There were many great SPAC shows over the years, so no matter what choice they used for SPAC, it would have been a tough choice no matter what.

alexbunke
02-12-2008, 01:34 AM
Hmm

Hopper
02-12-2008, 01:37 AM
#41 (alternate Carter intro)

Can someone explain.


Sorry, I didnt read the entire thread, so sorry if its been mentioned.

gweeps
02-12-2008, 03:28 AM
Should be nice. Haven't heard much of this one.

onesweetwhirled
02-12-2008, 07:37 AM
Who can make a wallpaper from the cover. I like!!!!

bsan83
02-12-2008, 07:50 AM
Yeah I really like that cover art.

bsan83
02-12-2008, 07:59 AM
This is fantastic, I hope they mix it just like LT 3 since that's honestly my favorite mixed show out there. I love how well they used Fonzi on LT 3.

Everyone here needs to buy this release, it's your responsibility as a true fan of the band to support great classic shows like this and not these thrill of the moment shows as of late. I haven't bought a show since LT 7 and I'll definitely be buying these CDs.

You HAD to have bought LT 8. I'll personally fly out to Chicago and smack you if you didn't.

batleon
02-12-2008, 08:31 AM
You need to go listen to Minarets on the AUD, then go throw in WH5 v3 and report back to us. The sound is so dramatically different on the SBD that I will never use this as any reason to release something separate. Scott's tape is one of the best ever and it's blown out of the water. People said the same thing about 8.27 until they heard it. Wouldn't you rather have one of the greatest shows released with a great AUD than just a pretty good show without a great source? I would. When all is said and done, no matter who taped what and how it sounds, you're still left with what's on the cd. That's it. I don't think it's "Too bad" at all.

Hey I hear you, for sure a professionally mixed release >>>> even the best AUD. I've just had a thing where I feel Live Trax should be used to bring us upgrades of good shows with poor sources. I've just fallen into that mentality lately. That being said will I be preordering this? Hell yes. Will I enjoy this release? Probably quite a bit.

Moses
02-12-2008, 09:54 AM
Cover art rocks

By the way, I think I may be the only one on this, but I find some of the show descriptions really funny. :lol

greykitkat36
02-12-2008, 10:03 AM
Really random release..but I'm not complaining. Would have liked a summer '97 or '99 but this ain't bad at all. Beats the hell out of LT 10, 9. Probably better than LT8 too.

Strugz10
02-12-2008, 10:13 AM
You HAD to have bought LT 8. I'll personally fly out to Chicago and smack you if you didn't.

You're right, LT 8 was the last one I bought. I don't know what I was thinking.

celluloid hero
02-12-2008, 10:30 AM
Hey I hear you, for sure a professionally mixed release >>>> even the best AUD. I've just had a thing where I feel Live Trax should be used to bring us upgrades of good shows with poor sources. I've just fallen into that mentality lately. That being said will I be preordering this? Hell yes. Will I enjoy this release? Probably quite a bit.

I'm just about the show. These are extreme examples. I grant you that my shows picked are so absurdly different that I practically negate the point I'm trying to make. But would you rather they release this? or 7/17/01? Or I guess I could've just said "Live Trax 10" to make my point :-)

This is a group that has been clear that it would be ok with an old release (93 or so) we already have a sbd for.

willndmb
02-12-2008, 10:36 AM
this is one of the only shirts i have liked
to bad my wife likes it too
guess i will have to call them and see if they will sell me 2 shirts and 1 cd

sdaltons
02-12-2008, 10:45 AM
fyi, if you order the CDs through the Warehouse store instead, you can save $.80!!

Emily
02-12-2008, 11:08 AM
I like the coverart, but I wish they had used something from SPAC for it instead.

Zamboni Guy
02-12-2008, 11:27 AM
I realize this is close (in date and set list) to LT3, but it is nice to see a release that I will likely listen to the whole concert. I've only listened to highlights from many LT's - LT2, LT4, LT6, LT9 and LT10.

bsan83
02-12-2008, 11:37 AM
The Too Much tease --> Ants is so much fun.

JWood
02-12-2008, 12:17 PM
The Too Much tease --> Ants is so much fun.

I'm definitely looking forward to that. I can't listen to Pre-04 versions of Too Much anymore, I think Too Much reached it's pinnacle that year. LT 8 does a great job representing. So I'm glad we don't have a full Too Much here :lol

Jack
02-12-2008, 12:18 PM
what a terrible choice. a good show, but the only 'must hear' track has already been released in Minarets. and, with the far superior previous show released, what's the point? why do they continue to ignore enormous portions of the catalog? doesn't really make sense.

I guess I understand their thought that a pre 98 show might not sell well because of the limited catalog, but if you've locked in on '00, why not release one of the september shows (riverort), or even 7-9-00 (though I shudder at the thought of a LL show). Summer 98 would have been great too.

bsan83
02-12-2008, 12:21 PM
what a terrible choice. a good show, but the only 'must hear' track has already been released in Minarets. and, with the far superior previous show released, what's the point? why do they continue to ignore enormous portions of the catalog? doesn't really make sense.

I guess I understand their thought that a pre 98 show might not sell well because of the limited catalog, but if you've locked in on '00, why not release one of the september shows (riverort), or even 7-9-00 (though I shudder at the thought of a LL show). Summer 98 would have been great too.

:screwy

LIOG, Grace, Ditch, and The Maker are all "must hear" easily. Each of those tracks is gorgeous. Add in a Stone opener, bitchin JTR and #41, the Too Much tease --> Ants (first time done), etc., and you have a phenomenal 2000 show. No, it's not a summer '97 or '98, but to call it a terrible choice, especially after the last two lolz-worthy releases, is asinine.

LT 5 is a week after Red Rocks. Does that make it a horrible release? Hardly; it's one of my favorites of the whole series.

Crush87
02-12-2008, 12:49 PM
[QUOTE=greykitkat36;6312137]Really random release.QUOTE]

of all the things this release is, it is not random. think before you speak.

Crush87
02-12-2008, 12:50 PM
what a terrible choice. a good show, but the only 'must hear' track has already been released in Minarets. and, with the far superior previous show released, what's the point? why do they continue to ignore enormous portions of the catalog? doesn't really make sense.

I guess I understand their thought that a pre 98 show might not sell well because of the limited catalog, but if you've locked in on '00, why not release one of the september shows (riverort), or even 7-9-00 (though I shudder at the thought of a LL show). Summer 98 would have been great too.

I would not have picked this show because of it's proximity to LT3, i want some fucking digging, but i have to wholeheartedly disagree that Minarets is the only must hear.

patsfan39
02-12-2008, 12:56 PM
what a terrible choice. a good show, but the only 'must hear' track has already been released in Minarets. and, with the far superior previous show released, what's the point? why do they continue to ignore enormous portions of the catalog? doesn't really make sense.

I guess I understand their thought that a pre 98 show might not sell well because of the limited catalog, but if you've locked in on '00, why not release one of the september shows (riverort), or even 7-9-00 (though I shudder at the thought of a LL show). Summer 98 would have been great too.

the more i think about it i tend to agree. it really doesnt even have a Grey street or sweet up and down the two great things of the 2000 tour. i hope my opinion will change when i listen to the show, but i hate that argument that "its a great show". i really wish we saw a more diverse set or even a 97 show... go figure.

celluloid hero
02-12-2008, 01:19 PM
the more i think about it i tend to agree. it really doesnt even have a Grey street or sweet up and down the two great things of the 2000 tour. i hope my opinion will change when i listen to the show, but i hate that argument that "its a great show". i really wish we saw a more diverse set or even a 97 show... go figure.

So have you heard this show?

Aparker507
02-12-2008, 02:08 PM
Did Carter ever use the gong on anything other than Minarets?

Rowsdower
02-12-2008, 02:29 PM
Hmmm...I'm listening to 9-13-00 now. This would have made a good release too.

BeQuietAndDrive
02-12-2008, 02:43 PM
Isn't Crash on the 12-string on this one too?

Along with Minarets and DDTW?

JWood
02-12-2008, 02:57 PM
Isn't Crash on the 12-string on this one too?

Along with Minarets and DDTW?

I think that was during the Deer Creek opening run.

EDIT:
Crash Into Me 6.20.00
Don't Drink the Water 6.19.00

Mersh
02-12-2008, 03:38 PM
what a terrible choice. a good show, but the only 'must hear' track has already been released in Minarets. and, with the far superior previous show released, what's the point? why do they continue to ignore enormous portions of the catalog? doesn't really make sense.

I guess I understand their thought that a pre 98 show might not sell well because of the limited catalog, but if you've locked in on '00, why not release one of the september shows (riverort), or even 7-9-00 (though I shudder at the thought of a LL show). Summer 98 would have been great too.

terrible? come on now...

Mersh
02-12-2008, 03:40 PM
the more i think about it i tend to agree. it really doesnt even have a Grey street or sweet up and down the two great things of the 2000 tour. i hope my opinion will change when i listen to the show, but i hate that argument that "its a great show". i really wish we saw a more diverse set or even a 97 show... go figure.

is the "its a great show" argument more or less ridiculous than the "it doesn't have SUAD or Grey Street" argument?

I can understand that people would have rather had something else, but some of these complaints are odd.

Mersh
02-12-2008, 03:43 PM
Isn't Crash on the 12-string on this one too?

Along with Minarets and DDTW?

no, just Minarets

patsfan39
02-12-2008, 04:10 PM
So have you heard this show?

i downloaded the aud yesterday. i will be listening with open ears. im not really too upset, cause this is exactly what we were asking for a nice random date out of the catalog. when i listen i will give my opinion

patsfan39
02-12-2008, 04:11 PM
is the "its a great show" argument more or less ridiculous than the "it doesn't have SUAD or Grey Street" argument?

I can understand that people would have rather had something else, but some of these complaints are odd.

point well taken

Mersh
02-12-2008, 04:12 PM
i downloaded the aud yesterday. i will be listening with open ears. im not really too upset, cause this is exactly what we were asking for a nice random date out of the catalog. when i listen i will give my opinion

wait, you've never heard the show before? You have to listen before you complain.

patsfan39
02-12-2008, 04:13 PM
wait, you've never heard the show before? You have to listen before you complain.

not complain. "gripe"

Mersh
02-12-2008, 04:14 PM
not complain. "gripe"

Well either way...you should give it a listen first.

Tambourine Man
02-12-2008, 04:43 PM
I'd enjoy this one because no doubt LT12 will be a 2008 Stadium Show. I was definitely surprised by this, but Summer 2000 is awesome and I'll be glad to have it. I really think they just wanted to get a SPAC show out...2006 wouldn't've been a bad choice...

Poth Ead
02-12-2008, 04:45 PM
I'd enjoy this one because no doubt LT12 will be a 2008 Stadium Show.

I hope not :nono

Josh.0
02-12-2008, 04:46 PM
Meh, I don't see what the fuss is about. Nothing really all that special with this release.

There have been much better SPAC sets that should have gotten the nod first.

Josh.0
02-12-2008, 04:47 PM
I bet LT12 will be Busch Stadium. Of course, it'll be a greatest hits live CD, like the last ballpark stadium show was for the most part...

...but I won't even bother getting too into that. :)

Tambourine Man
02-12-2008, 04:49 PM
I bet LT12 will be Busch Stadium. Of course, it'll be a greatest hits live CD, like the last ballpark stadium show was for the most part...

...but I won't even bother getting too into that. :)

Fenway wasn't a horrible release...just really got a "sell out" vibe from them releasing it. The mix is obviously lacking.

Josh.0
02-12-2008, 04:51 PM
Fenway wasn't a horrible release...just really got a "sell out" vibe from them releasing it. The mix is obviously lacking.

Oh I agree, it wasn't terrible. But it totally didn't capture any of the feel of being at the actual show. Turning down the crowd during Sweet Caroline was so lame.

Also, you're spot on about the mix. Terrible.

There were a couple highlights (Proudest Monkey is great), but not many.

ggies
02-12-2008, 05:23 PM
damn, listening to Raven from 8.27.00 right now and I miss this song and this sound.

FoCo
02-12-2008, 05:27 PM
damn, listening to Raven from 8.27.00 right now and I miss this song and this sound.

Tied with 8.31 as the best raven.

FoCo
02-12-2008, 05:30 PM
I hope not :nono

Live Trax 12 = Busch Stadium

Mersh
02-12-2008, 05:53 PM
Tied with 8.31 as the best raven.

I disagree...the lyrics are all gibberish and nonsense. I mean pickle in your bed? seriously?

Mersh
02-12-2008, 05:56 PM
now this thread is going to be bitching about the next LT release? Jesus :lol

Crush87
02-12-2008, 05:56 PM
9/15 owns the 2000 Raven

Bent hands night to pray, think someone's listening...

Pay4WhatUGet
02-12-2008, 06:02 PM
what a terrible choice. a good show, but the only 'must hear' track has already been released in Minarets. and, with the far superior previous show released, what's the point? why do they continue to ignore enormous portions of the catalog? doesn't really make sense.

I guess I understand their thought that a pre 98 show might not sell well because of the limited catalog, but if you've locked in on '00, why not release one of the september shows (riverort), or even 7-9-00 (though I shudder at the thought of a LL show). Summer 98 would have been great too.

You have pretty much summed up exactly what I have posted, and feel about this release.

Good show, but bad choice to represent SPAC.

Mersh
02-12-2008, 06:04 PM
You have pretty much summed up exactly what I have posted, and feel about this release.

Good show, but bad choice to represent SPAC.

that isn't what he said

how is one of the best shows they've played at SPAC a bad representation of SPAC though? 7.29.01 would have been a shit choice to represent SPAC

Strugz10
02-12-2008, 06:05 PM
now this thread is going to be bitching about the next LT release? Jesus :lol

We had a solid 200 posts before the shit storm started.

Pay4WhatUGet
02-12-2008, 06:12 PM
that isn't what he said

how is one of the best shows they've played at SPAC a bad representation of SPAC though? 7.29.01 would have been a shit choice to represent SPAC

I'm not saying that this show was bad but the '98, '97,or '02 show would have been better, IMO. Plus this show was two days before a previous LT, and it doesn't even contain all the new songs played that year.

What I was agreeing with him on was that if another '00 show was picked it should have been 7.9.00 or late September.

Mersh
02-12-2008, 06:15 PM
SPAC 02 is not better than SPAC 00 IMO. Take away LT3 and you don't think so either. I heard this argument about LT5 and its a solid release.

and what will we do without a live version of Grey Street?

I left SUAD out because I dislike it.


and while SPAC 97 is a good show, if that was the 97 that got released people would be pissed.

Pay4WhatUGet
02-12-2008, 06:18 PM
Yeah, but Grey Street and Raven were great in '00, especially late in the tour. I'm more upset over not having Raven though.

Mersh
02-12-2008, 06:18 PM
Yeah, but Grey Street and Raven were great in '00, especially late in the tour. I'm more upset over not having Raven though.

Meh, we have an 00 Raven. Not the best one, but we have one.

Poth Ead
02-12-2008, 06:20 PM
I'm not THAT excited for this release for said reasons (e.g. LT3), but this IS an excellent performance through and through... I'm looking forward to hearing this outstanding version of Graves professionally mixed as well as #41 » Grace, Minarets, Digging A Ditch and this version of Bartender is pretty sweet. Then again, every Bartender from the 2000 tour is awesome (imo).

Mersh
02-12-2008, 06:25 PM
I know I am coming across as a huge fanboy/homer...I just think some people are being overcritical of what is a very good show.

Rowsdower
02-12-2008, 06:29 PM
Tied with 8.31 as the best raven.

I think it's a terrible Raven, personally.

Mersh
02-12-2008, 06:30 PM
I think it's a terrible Raven, personally.

its terrible lyrically

Poth Ead
02-12-2008, 06:31 PM
I know I am coming across as a huge fanboy/homer...I just think some people are being overcritical of what is a very good show.

fanboy :lol

the performance is more than "very good". It's a fine choice for a release... I just think people are disappointed it wasn't a summer '97 show. Everyone seems to have a hard-on for a summer '97 release, me included.

Mersh
02-12-2008, 06:34 PM
fanboy :lol

the performance is more than "very good". It's a fine choice for a release... I just think people are disappointed it wasn't a summer '97 show. Everyone seems to have a hard-on for a summer '97 release, me included.

I want a summer 97 too, but its not like we got an LT10 type show instead of a summer 97. We got a good summer 00 show instead. I hope we get a 97 too, but if I'm not going to get one yet I hope this is the type of shows we get instead...if that makes sense.

Rowsdower
02-12-2008, 06:51 PM
Maybe vol. 12 will be a '97 show and 13 will be MSG '02 (both nights).

I'll be glad to hear a good 2000 Digging a Ditch on this release though. I think that's a very under-appreciated song.

Monk
02-12-2008, 06:51 PM
The only reason I would be at all disappointed with this release is that it may take SPAC '97 out of the running for a future release (which was my first DMB concert, so I'm biased for sentimental releases of course). That being said I know there are plenty of other June '97 shows that are excellent (if not better) candidates for a future summer '97 release. Overall, I'm very happy with this choice, although it is one of the few SPAC shows that I have missed since '97, and I'm honestly surprised at some of the reactions towards this release.

duane26
02-12-2008, 06:52 PM
After the Live Trax 10 choice I can't believe people are bitching about this!:screwy

rvn10manu
02-12-2008, 06:56 PM
so what's the awesome free gift we get with preorder?

sticker, poker chip?

Monk
02-12-2008, 06:56 PM
Maybe vol. 12 will be a '97 show and 13 will be MSG '02 (both nights).

I'll be glad to hear a good 2000 Digging a Ditch on this release though. I think that's a very under-appreciated song.

Not to take away from this current Live Trax discussion, but while the topic is at hand; I'd like to see more older multiple-show-runs released in general. I think MSG '02, LT1's brother, and the run of the Dead openers would be a fun place to start.

Moses
02-12-2008, 06:57 PM
I know I am coming across as a huge fanboy/homer...I just think some people are being overcritical of what is a very good show.

you know as well as anyone, but the complaining is inevitable for these releases.

personally, I'm phsyced for this release. bitching about a show this good is just stupid IMO.

Moses
02-12-2008, 07:02 PM
:wtf
We're getting another LT or 2 before the tour. So I don't know where you draw this conclusion.

Moses
02-12-2008, 07:04 PM
I'd enjoy this one because no doubt LT12 will be a 2008 Stadium Show. I was definitely surprised by this, but Summer 2000 is awesome and I'll be glad to have it. I really think they just wanted to get a SPAC show out...2006 wouldn't've been a bad choice...

We're getting another 1 or 2 LT's before the tour, so I don't know how you can draw that conclusion.

:wtf

Moses
02-12-2008, 07:05 PM
Live Trax 12 = Busch Stadium

small market that marketing has their hands full even selling out one night, I doubt it will be a release... but who knows.

bsan83
02-12-2008, 07:07 PM
I know I am coming across as a huge fanboy/homer...I just think some people are being overcritical of what is a very good show.

Not at all. The show is fantastic. It's an excellent release, and like LT 5, it's going to grow on a ton of people once it gets out.

NWMem
02-12-2008, 09:29 PM
In addition to the aforementioned gems in this show there is an incredible vocal energy from Dave throughout. The first three tracks in particular just ooze energy.

No-one will be disappointed with this release.

seekup19
02-12-2008, 09:46 PM
It very well could have conflicted with something thus forcing them to cut it from the mix. I really don't know. But the mix, even without the gong, was perfect on the WH5 cut.
oh wow i just dug out my AUD from this show (in my old CD binder... man i hadn't dug into that in years!) and there was a LOT more gong on the AUD minarets than the WH5v3! they cut a ton of gong! this is really unacceptable! they also cut a lot of butch's additions which sounded really cool.

here's hoping for a better mix this time!

man i need to dig into my CDs of old shows more often. spinning these has been fun.

ethaxton
02-12-2008, 10:05 PM
We're getting another 1 or 2 LT's before the tour, so I don't know how you can draw that conclusion.

:wtf

Not a chance in hell there is 2 LT's before the tour

RB3
02-12-2008, 10:08 PM
Not a chance in hell there is 2 LT's before the tour
.

seekup19
02-12-2008, 10:16 PM
you know what i like about this show? this is the first LT set that can serve as a single show to encapsulate everything i like about DMB. it's a "show off" disc, something you'd give someone to turn them on to the band. their best songs (maybe minus two step), a solid show with no major flaws, some really clutch jams (this LIOG is an all time favorite), a diverse batch of music (hell, diverse just from maker > watchtower to crash to minarets)... perfect show for a starter set.

i work for a british company so i'm always trying to turn people in the london office onto DMB. the thing is though there's never really been one SBD show i could hand over to turn people on... always been something not quite right with it... too much unreleased/unfamous stuff (recent shows with stand up stuff), too many radio songs (central park), missing ants (this is a dealbreaker for me; this song has to be on a DMB intro disc) too few classic radio songs for a newbie (LIC, and some LTs come to mind), not a recent enough show (red rocks - awesome but dated), too rough (bad mixes galore - see LT2 or Gorge), missing a good jam song (many LTs), too plain (folsom field)...

until this one. this is perfect.

if the mix is good this is a winner. looking forward to sending it to some friends abroad.

Moses
02-13-2008, 12:00 AM
Not a chance in hell there is 2 LT's before the tour

um... okay.

dancetheham
02-13-2008, 12:19 AM
um... okay.
11 comes out on 3.25, and the tour is probably starting in June. You're saying they're going to release one LT a month between now and the tour? Hell, even if the tour starts in August, they'd still only have a month between each one if they wanted to put out three before the tour.