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sneaksbeac
08-06-2009, 07:31 PM
Am I just the first to notice or is there a boycott I didn't know about?

http://davematthewsband.shop.musictoday.com/Dept.aspx?cp=1_22057

JWood
08-06-2009, 07:32 PM
badass, another 2000 show

TheNoise
08-06-2009, 07:32 PM
the 'chosen by our friends at antsmarching' aside, nice show!

will purchase.

JWood
08-06-2009, 07:33 PM
http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/MusicToday/DMDD56?$shadow1$&$300$&bgc=ffffff

This Live Trax volume is a special show selected by our friends at Ants Marching. For Live Trax Volume 16, the Ants Marching staff has chosen the first night of a two-night stand in 2000 from Riverbend Music Center in Cincinnati, OH.

Highlights of the 06.26.00 Cincinnati show include Sweet Up and Down, LeRoi’s beautiful flute and Carter’s masterful drumming in Say Goodbye, rarity Little Thing at the beginning and end of disc 1, as well as partial #40 (with lyrics) transitioning into Digging a Ditch. A particularly memorable version of Crush and Bartender are also songs worthy of note on the 2000 Riverbend release.


CD 1:
1. #41
2. Warehouse
3. One Sweet World
4. Say Goodbye
5. Jimi Thing
6. Sweet Up And Down
7. Typical Situation >
8. Little Thing


CD 2:
1. Grey Street
2. Bartender
3. Crush
4. Drive In Drive Out
5. Song That Jane Likes
6. JTR
7. Too Much
8. #40 >
9. Digging a Ditch
10. Two Step

All items ordered with Live Trax Vol. 16 will ship after the Pre-Order closing date of 3pm EST Thursday, September 3, 2009. You must select expedited shipping if you wish to receive your package on the release date of Tuesday, September 8, 2009.

FERRALL
08-06-2009, 07:34 PM
Cincinnati shows finally getting some love. :upyours

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 07:35 PM
Actually excited for this release. Love 2000 show, great set and the first 2000 SUAD release.

Someone please tell me the "friends at Ants" means the fan voting thing and not the fucks running the site, though.

dmb448
08-06-2009, 07:35 PM
That show looks awesome!

Slowbutspeeding
08-06-2009, 07:36 PM
nice looking set, but a very blah album art

JWood
08-06-2009, 07:37 PM
nice looking set, but a very blah album art

i like it, again...i enjoy the stage shots in black and white

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 07:38 PM
nice looking set, but a very blah album art

Maybe looks a little too similar to LT15 (even the color), but wouldn't you rather have Roi on there than a picture of the empty lawn or something?

JWood
08-06-2009, 07:40 PM
.

SoftMacho
08-06-2009, 07:42 PM
the 'chosen by our friends at antsmarching' aside, nice show!
yeah, the fact that people at ants like it makes it less good

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 07:43 PM
7/9/00, 9/2/00, 9/10/00, 9/15/00, 9/16/00....I can't really complain but I mean come on...

krayz
08-06-2009, 07:45 PM
7/9/00, 9/2/00, 9/10/00, 9/15/00, 9/16/00....I can't really complain but I mean come on...

Jake OBVIOUSLY knows more than anyone else. Jeez!

JWood
08-06-2009, 07:45 PM
7/9/00, 9/2/00, 9/10/00, 9/15/00, 9/16/00....I can't really complain but I mean come on...

i agree, but this release is still a damn fine one. early release with the LWS tunes too

willndmb
08-06-2009, 07:47 PM
hmm i'll get this for sure
but would have liked a 6/97
better then a overseas/2nd leg from 09 though

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 07:47 PM
It had to have been the voting on Ants tour central. If management let the pudgy bastard in my avatar handpick a show, then I've lost any respect I had for them.

TheNoise
08-06-2009, 07:50 PM
So if it was vote decided why didn't a 97 show run away with the vote?

Pay4WhatUGet
08-06-2009, 07:51 PM
7/9/00, 9/2/00, 9/10/00, 9/15/00, 9/16/00....I can't really complain but I mean come on...

Agreed. There were many more deserving choices. I love 2000 shows, but this one was so early in the tour with the new stuff. 7/9/00 would have been my choice.

JWood
08-06-2009, 07:51 PM
"i like to play with balloons"

hobbesthecat
08-06-2009, 07:51 PM
GREAT FIND...fucking sick set.

OSW w/ instrumental intro...yelled YES out loud when I saw that Jane was on the set too.

just wow to everything, song placement...partial Little Thing after the Typical segue.

damn, live trax on fire lately son.

mr.mike
08-06-2009, 07:51 PM
Sweet, can't wait for this.

whodey
08-06-2009, 07:51 PM
Wow. I'm partial having been there, but this is one of my favorite shows.

mr.mike
08-06-2009, 07:52 PM
So if it was vote decided why didn't a 97 show run away with the vote?

Cause Ants had something to do with it.

Jack
08-06-2009, 07:52 PM
If they told them to pick a show from cincinatti I get this, if they toldthem to pick any show they need to be shot.

priceofacoke910
08-06-2009, 07:52 PM
I mowed this afternoon and listened to LT3 and was like, I bet they're gonna release another 2000 show soon. I guess I was dead on.

SonofSuns34
08-06-2009, 07:53 PM
Actually excited for this release. Love 2000 show, great set and the first 2000 SUAD release.

Someone please tell me the "friends at Ants" means the fan voting thing and not the fucks running the site, though.

isnt one your av?
edit: nm

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 07:53 PM
So if it was vote decided why didn't a 97 show run away with the vote?

Last I knew 2008 and 2007 shows were leading the voting so we should be even more happy with this one. People vote for shows they were at mostly, or the shows that got a lot of hype right after they ended. So '97 wasn't getting a ton of votes I guess.

mr.mike
08-06-2009, 07:55 PM
I too feel partial to this show cause I was there but it's a great set.

Moses
08-06-2009, 07:55 PM
I can't really complain

and I don't think you should. sometimes a sbd of a show makes a huge difference of opinion. :)

SonofSuns34
08-06-2009, 07:55 PM
no ladies or butch either...

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 07:56 PM
nor should you. this release rocks in my eyes

i'd bet $100 you haven't even heard this show before.

gweeps
08-06-2009, 07:57 PM
At least they didn't choose N2. No Lovely Ladies for this show.

hobbesthecat
08-06-2009, 07:57 PM
i'd bet $100 you haven't even heard this show before.
wait, why?

is this show sloppy or something? low energy?

JWood
08-06-2009, 07:57 PM
i'm just gonna point out the obvious here...

LT 17 will most likely be a 2009 release, so that means we have to hope that LT 18 is a '97 release

but i'm a fan of any 2000 show being released

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 07:58 PM
Awesome. The Little Thing was my sign. Boyd was terrible, Bartender is tits.

Moses
08-06-2009, 07:58 PM
i'd bet $100 you haven't even heard this show before.

I heard parts of it this morning :) :lol

whodey
08-06-2009, 07:58 PM
As excited as I am for this release, I will say Boyd did not bring his A game to this show...

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 07:59 PM
wait, why?

is this show sloppy or something? low energy?

In comparison to a great deal of the rest of the tour...it's just..fairly bland. I mean it's not a horrible show by any means but the flow isn't that great. A few solid performances. Crush is really good but overall, it was just one of those warm-up shows for the tour, ya know? Again, it's not a bad show but when I look at everything else being neglected from that year...

DMB1541
08-06-2009, 07:59 PM
This is a very nice choice. I love this Say Goodbye. And my audio I have is this is really crappy. Also, love the art with Roi in the spotlight, nice job DMB.

krayz
08-06-2009, 07:59 PM
Boyd was terrible? Why are they releasing a live trax of a show where one of the members was subpar?

hobbesthecat
08-06-2009, 07:59 PM
In comparison to a great deal of the rest of the tour...it's just..fairly bland. I mean it's not a horrible show by any means but the flow isn't that great. A few solid performances. Crush is really good but overall, it was just one of those warm-up shows for the tour, ya know? Again, it's not a bad show but when I look at everything else being neglected from that year...
balls

thanks for the fyi

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 08:00 PM
7/9/00, 9/2/00, 9/10/00, 9/15/00, 9/16/00....I can't really complain but I mean come on...

While I agree, I don't. Everything was much more polished. This show is the LWS raw which is worthy. Everything 00 right now that is released is the later stuff. This show rules.

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 08:00 PM
Boyd was terrible? Why are they releasing a live trax of a show where one of the members was subpar?

If they didn't we may only have 3 releases...total.

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 08:01 PM
While I agree, I don't. Everything was much more polished. This show is the LWS raw which is worthy. Everything 00 right now that is released is the later stuff. This show rules.

7/9 wasn't polished at all. Heck, it was only two weeks after this show, with a much better flow, a higher drive and energy, and a better setlist and performance.

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 08:02 PM
In comparison to a great deal of the rest of the tour...it's just..fairly bland. I mean it's not a horrible show by any means but the flow isn't that great. A few solid performances. Crush is really good but overall, it was just one of those warm-up shows for the tour, ya know? Again, it's not a bad show but when I look at everything else being neglected from that year...

Sorry, Brandon I think you're way off base on this. Throw her back in. While you say you bet people haven't listened, I'll bet it's been 9 years for you.

krayz
08-06-2009, 08:02 PM
If they didn't we may only have 3 releases...total.

3 out of the 16, or 3 out of all concerts?

hobbesthecat
08-06-2009, 08:02 PM
7/9 wasn't polished at all. Heck, it was only two weeks after this show, with a much better flow, a higher drive and energy, and a better setlist and performance.
7/9 eh? let me check that out...

DMB1541
08-06-2009, 08:02 PM
If they didn't we may only have 3 releases...total.

:lol

Moses
08-06-2009, 08:03 PM
getting a SBD of an

A. Awesome Roi on Typical per usual (can't get enough of this IMO)
B. 00 DMB SUAD (call the song overrated but these performances are pretty cool and nice to have)
C. #40 - not the best but really sweet. some people will call it meh, others might find it great.
D. ROI ROI ROI - Maybe it isn't the best 2000 show, but its full of awesome performances by Leroi H. Moore! Any DMB fan can't get enough of these

Moses
08-06-2009, 08:03 PM
oops double post - delete god

DMB1541
08-06-2009, 08:03 PM
Sorry, Brandon I think you're way off base on this. Throw her back in. While you say you bet people haven't listened, I'll bet it's been 9 years for you.

I agree, I've always liked this show.

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 08:05 PM
I really think this is a top 5 Bartender. It's right below the holy duo.

Tomacco
08-06-2009, 08:05 PM
Well done, Ants!

SUAD from 2000 is absolutely clutch.

AndyB
08-06-2009, 08:05 PM
Great setlist, but when choosing from all shows ever, I don't think this would have hit my top 50

Moses
08-06-2009, 08:05 PM
7/9 wasn't polished at all. Heck, it was only two weeks after this show, with a much better flow, a higher drive and energy, and a better setlist and performance.

it's really all opinion, not factual. people listening and deciding may have thought this one was better bro.

Moses
08-06-2009, 08:06 PM
Well done, Ants!

SUAD from 2000 is absolutely clutch.

:upyours

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 08:06 PM
Sorry, Brandon I think you're way off base on this. Throw her back in. While you say you bet people haven't listened, I'll bet it's been 9 years for you.

I disagree. I'm sorry I'm offending a show you attended but it's not even one of the best from that year, nor is it close. Crush, Jane, and a few others a great. Listening to DIDO right now and it's just...it's the reason why so many dislike 2000 to begin with. That slow pace really effected a lot of performances and tunes like DIDO that thrive and feed off of that energy just lost a lot of punch that year, especially during a show like this.

mr.mike
08-06-2009, 08:07 PM
Listening to Say Goodbye from this show now. I always think back to this year for many reasons, both personal and for DMB. I loved 2000.

willndmb
08-06-2009, 08:07 PM
Actually excited for this release. Love 2000 show, great set and the first 2000 SUAD release.

Someone please tell me the "friends at Ants" means the fan voting thing and not the fucks running the site, though.

"the staff at Antsmarching.org had a hand in picking it! " from the home page news story

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 08:10 PM
I disagree. I'm sorry I'm offending a show you attended

I would really like to think I've proven myself worthy to be above this sort of post. Note I haven't once hit you with that about 7.9 in the years of constant posting about it.

If what you list as good about this show doesn't include the Bartender, I'll upload it for you so you can give it another go.

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 08:11 PM
While I agree, I don't. Everything was much more polished. This show is the LWS raw which is worthy. Everything 00 right now that is released is the later stuff. This show rules.

I completely agree with all this. I've been wanting an early 2000 show for awhile now. I think the LWS were at their best June and July of that tour. It's definitely the rawness you mentioned that makes this show a great choice.

Moses
08-06-2009, 08:11 PM
I would really like to think I've proven myself worthy to be above this sort of post. Note I haven't once hit you with that about 7.9 in the years of constant posting about it.

If what you list as good about this show doesn't include the Bartender, I'll upload it for you so you can give it another go.

:lol :upyours

DMBZeppelin
08-06-2009, 08:11 PM
It had to have been the voting on Ants tour central. If management let the pudgy bastard in my avatar handpick a show, then I've lost any respect I had for them.

http://antsmarching.org/

The latest Live Trax is ready to go, and it's one near and dear to our hearts. According to the Warehouse (http://www.warehouse.davematthewsband.com/), Live Trax 16 is 6.26.00 (http://www.antsmarching.org/tour/ViewShow.php?ShowID=1896), and the staff at Antsmarching.org had a hand in picking it!

Why does this bother you so much? :lol

The Godfather
08-06-2009, 08:13 PM
the show is badass...but our friends at ants...man.

Pay4WhatUGet
08-06-2009, 08:14 PM
This is a very nice choice. I love this Say Goodbye. And my audio I have is this is really crappy. Also, love the art with Roi in the spotlight, nice job DMB.

I remember downloading every show after they happened that year. It seems 2000 was the last year that recordings were really hit or miss. Every tour after had pretty solid pulls every night. The Soldier Field pulls were tough to listen to because of the drum echo, as were most of the Stadium shows. I really wish they would just release the whole 2000 tour :lol That Foxboro show is really a gem, but the recording is pretty rough. I think I tried to EQ it back in the day because the performance was so stellar. Tampa that year was really great too. I wish that they didn't make Scott Brown lower his stand, as he always had/has great pulls and that one suffered.

hobbesthecat
08-06-2009, 08:15 PM
I completely agree with all this. I've been wanting an early 2000 show for awhile now. I think the LWS were at their best June and July of that tour. It's definitely the rawness you mentioned that makes this show a great choice.
:lol your f'ing avatar

ha

The Godfather
08-06-2009, 08:15 PM
still looking for that elusive 97 show

Moses
08-06-2009, 08:16 PM
still looking for that elusive 97 show

somewhere pgr17 is crying. and or cursing

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 08:16 PM
I would really like to think I've proven myself worthy to be above this sort of post. Note I haven't once hit you with that about 7.9 in the years of constant posting about it.

If what you list as good about this show doesn't include the Bartender, I'll upload it for you so you can give it another go.


It's not meant to be a jab. Come on I think we know each other well enough on here for that, but the last time you really rallied for something to be released and it did get released...it didn't translate as a release (Bridge/Too Much - 8/5/04). I just think the same thing is applying here. It was probably a great show to be at and obviously there are highlights but this isn't something that really promotes what that tour was about, imo.

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 08:17 PM
and if Ants got last pick, Almanac should get next. It's only fair.

The Godfather
08-06-2009, 08:17 PM
somewhere pgr17 is crying. and or cursing

Yes. Him and I are :upyours


but this release will be sweet.

Moses
08-06-2009, 08:17 PM
It's not meant to be a jab. Come on I think we know each other well enough on here for that, but the last time you really rallied for something to be released and it did get released...it didn't translate as a release (Bridge/Too Much - 8/5/04). I just think the same thing is applying here. It was probably a great show to be at and obviously there are highlights but this isn't something that really promotes what that tour was about, imo.

how did it not translate as a release? I liked it.

soright05
08-06-2009, 08:17 PM
Nice choice, I love this grey street

Moses
08-06-2009, 08:18 PM
Nice choice, I love this grey street

:upyours ROI

DMB1541
08-06-2009, 08:19 PM
and if Ants got last pick, Almanac should get next. It's only fair.

:upyours:upyours:upyours

hobbesthecat
08-06-2009, 08:19 PM
and if Ants got last pick, Almanac should get next. It's only fair.
the Almanac should get every fucking pic

seriously

who does the choosing on management's side...and if they need a "consultant" they shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

FiddySpence
08-06-2009, 08:19 PM
looks like a good set, i'm all about getting another SUAD

The Godfather
08-06-2009, 08:21 PM
the Almanac should get every fucking pic

seriously

who does the choosing on management's side...and if they need a "consultant" they shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

:upyours

Moses
08-06-2009, 08:22 PM
I wonder what tune we'd be singing if they released an 09. :)


funny the way it is

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 08:22 PM
It's not meant to be a jab. Come on I think we know each other well enough on here for that, but the last time you really rallied for something to be released and it did get released...it didn't translate as a release (Bridge/Too Much - 8/5/04). I just think the same thing is applying here. It was probably a great show to be at and obviously there are highlights but this isn't something that really promotes what that tour was about, imo.

I agree it didn't translate on the soundboard. It does on the AUD though, which is wacky.

But I can only go by what a show is like there and on CD. Both are great to me, outside of a bit of Boyd which is just a given. I have listened to enough stuff to know what's good and what's not and be fair about it whether I'm there or not. So me being offended has nothing to do with me being there, and while I may know better, it's also what you said pretty much word for word. So you can understand why I took it that way. But seriously. Bartender.

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 08:25 PM
http://antsmarching.org/

Why does this bother you so much? :lol

They're up their own asses enough as it is, they don't need to be brought into the fold for things like picking releases now too.

Though I think this is one of the shows that they got a SBD of for their C'ville party, so that probably had something to do with it.

Also, based on the wording, such as "a hand in picking it, I think Jack may have been on to something with the "pick a show from Cincy" thing. Their choices had to have been limited to something.

:lol your f'ing avatar

ha

:upyours Nice to see it still has the desired effect from time to time.

hobbesthecat
08-06-2009, 08:27 PM
:upyours Nice to see it still has the desired effect from time to time.

:upyours:lol

dude...almost had to temporarily block you so that your av wouldn't show up...i was eating and laughing at the same time.

sorry JV


btw SeekUp, it's fucking perfect, damn.

Moses
08-06-2009, 08:27 PM
tables turned again you my friend
facing different questions
than i will, looking at you now
what of this could do
a friend is good
but a lovers kiss like angels raining down on me
how could it be so
i can see
hoping our life i will lead
made to you
olds friend can be best of all but you know
still the waiting is harder
me too
especially waitng for you my friend is tough
always, always, always

italy8384
08-06-2009, 08:28 PM
Its a fine show. But asking 2 or 3 guys that run a fan site to pick it, doesn't make sense at all. Why wouldn't ants then create a poll or something and let visitors to the site vote? Increasing traffic as well. Maybe the warehouse thought that was what they were going to do and got shafted on the deal.

hobbesthecat
08-06-2009, 08:28 PM
tables turned again you my friend
facing different questions
than i will, looking at you now
what of this could do
a friend is good
but a lovers kiss like angels raining down on me
how could it be so
i can see
hoping our life i will lead
made to you
olds friend can be best of all but you know
still the waiting is harder
me too
especially waitng for you my friend is tough
always, always, always
love it

sooo happy i finally caught at least a partial at SPAC this summer...

Jack
08-06-2009, 08:29 PM
I remember downloading every show after they happened that year. It seems 2000 was the last year that recordings were really hit or miss. Every tour after had pretty solid pulls every night. The Soldier Field pulls were tough to listen to because of the drum echo, as were most of the Stadium shows. I really wish they would just release the whole 2000 tour :lol That Foxboro show is really a gem, but the recording is pretty rough. I think I tried to EQ it back in the day because the performance was so stellar. Tampa that year was really great too. I wish that they didn't make Scott Brown lower his stand, as he always had/has great pulls and that one suffered.

Dave Barry's 7-9-00 FOB Geffell source. Find it. It is awesome. There is a naughty matrix out there that is even better.

how did it not translate as a release? I liked it.

I was pretty meh about that after hearing the sbd too.

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 08:29 PM
I agree it didn't translate on the soundboard. It does on the AUD though, which is wacky.

But not completely uncommon which is why I said what I did. Sorry if you took offense, I didn't mean to make it seem like you only praise shows you were at, just that the last time you did heavily praise something you attended when it was released it didn't come out too well, and I think the same thing will happen here, maybe not to the same degree, but it's what I was getting at.

The Godfather
08-06-2009, 08:30 PM
can anyone get a bigger picture of the cover art?

sdaltons
08-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Been waiting for a 00 sweet up & down :upyours

ThememanXX
08-06-2009, 08:32 PM
I'm really excited for this one. One of my favorite shows to listen to. :upyours

mr.mike
08-06-2009, 08:35 PM
I say we all be happy about live releases.

The Godfather
08-06-2009, 08:35 PM
I say we all be happy about live releases.

unless its a 4th release from 08

EDIT: 5th

SoftMacho
08-06-2009, 08:36 PM
the LWS raw

this is the great legacy of 2000

cura
08-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Nice show.
Sax guest.
I'll buy it.

Song running times:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v187/curaPB/Untitled-2.jpg

FiddySpence
08-06-2009, 08:40 PM
why wouldn't the run down of the show have mentioned that?

Josh.0
08-06-2009, 08:41 PM
It occurred to me earlier today that the LWS tunes are right around 10 years old.

Wow.

ThememanXX
08-06-2009, 08:42 PM
One Sweet World Intro! :upyours

Jack
08-06-2009, 08:46 PM
why wouldn't the run down of the show have mentioned that?

$$ Coran isn't writing Dave fucking Meyers a check.

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 08:47 PM
Funny when you consider how old all of these songs are, this is the only show in history with #41, Say Goodbye, One Sweet World, The Song That Jane Likes, Drive In Drive Out, Warehouse and Typical Situation. Amazing that some night from October 1993 - present, especially in 95 and 96 that all these didn't hit in one night.

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 08:48 PM
$$ Coran isn't writing Dave fucking Meyers a check.

Dan Myers. Show some respect.

deedisdone81
08-06-2009, 08:49 PM
I already have the entire 2000 tour on disk, but I'll buy this because I've bought every other one.

Pay4WhatUGet
08-06-2009, 08:51 PM
Dave Barry's 7-9-00 FOB Geffell source. Find it. It is awesome. There is a naughty matrix out there that is even better.


Is it up on DreamingTree? I didn't see another source,last I checked.

deedisdone81
08-06-2009, 08:51 PM
I bet they cut that BYAH tease out of the final cut, and one day I would love to see a LT picked by TDC, though that most likely will never happen.

Jack
08-06-2009, 08:56 PM
Dan Myers. Show some respect.

Rip on a show rob was at and watch him freak out :lol

but hey, for having not listened to this show for the better part of a decade I'm surprised I got any of it right.

Was he the dude from From Good Homes?

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 08:58 PM
Rip on a show rob was at and watch him freak out :lol

but hey, for have not listened to this show for the better part of a decade I'm surprised I got any of it right.

Was he the dude from From Good Homes?

yeah, he was playing with Guster for that stretch.

Poth Ead
08-06-2009, 08:59 PM
FUCK YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I WILL GLADLY TAKE ANOTHER 2000 SHOW... !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:smoke:upyours:smoke:upyours

mrpeters
08-06-2009, 09:00 PM
SAWEEEET choice!

deedisdone81
08-06-2009, 09:00 PM
I'm looking forward to a 2009 release, I want to have all the new songs live.

Poth Ead
08-06-2009, 09:01 PM
I'm looking forward to a 2009 release, I want to have all the new songs live.

In the meantime, we got a nice June 2000 show. It's not Sept 2000, but I'll live

Jack
08-06-2009, 09:01 PM
yeah, he was playing with Guster for that stretch.

Nice. Guster is playing here on saturday. Co-headlining with a band that is playing my sister's lake party tomorrow. That band is not dmb.

deedisdone81
08-06-2009, 09:05 PM
In the meantime, we got a nice June 2000 show. It's not Sept 2000, but I'll live

No complaints, but I am looking forward to the possibility of a nice 09 release too. :upyours

Poth Ead
08-06-2009, 09:06 PM
I love the fact they announced the release and it's only about 4 weeks from now... I used to hate when there was a 2-3 month lead time between the beginning of pre-order and the ship date...

deedisdone81
08-06-2009, 09:10 PM
I love the fact they announced the release and it's only about 4 weeks from now... I used to hate when there was a 2-3 month lead time between the beginning of pre-order and the ship date...

Yeah, that was frustrating, glad they seemed to get this one right.

greppson
08-06-2009, 09:23 PM
http://www.dreamingtree.org/details.php?id=6211

GreyStHokie
08-06-2009, 09:26 PM
god damn shipping is still ridiculous..there's a 0% chance it really costs $6.85 to ship a god damn CD

SonofSuns34
08-06-2009, 09:33 PM
god damn shipping is still ridiculous..there's a 0% chance it really costs $6.85 to ship a god damn CD

yeah i just thought the same thing... ends up being 23 bucks...

hmich176
08-06-2009, 09:37 PM
It had to have been the voting on Ants tour central. If management let the pudgy bastard in my avatar handpick a show, then I've lost any respect I had for them.

Why do you have him in your avatar?

NiCK Crush
08-06-2009, 09:43 PM
Nice :upyours

NiCK Crush
08-06-2009, 09:53 PM
I dig that shirt too.

NiCK Crush
08-06-2009, 09:56 PM
I'm going to end up listening to this one A LOT.

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 10:00 PM
Why do you have him in your avatar?

I think it's funny.

hmich176
08-06-2009, 10:01 PM
I'm going to end up listening to this one A LOT.

Yeah, same here. Awesome release.

mynameisdon
08-06-2009, 10:05 PM
I love the fact they announced the release and it's only about 4 weeks from now... I used to hate when there was a 2-3 month lead time between the beginning of pre-order and the ship date...

:upyours

NiCK Crush
08-06-2009, 10:06 PM
I love the fact they announced the release and it's only about 4 weeks from now... I used to hate when there was a 2-3 month lead time between the beginning of pre-order and the ship date...

Definitely, didn't even realize that, but yes.

DMBCLSTJ
08-06-2009, 10:07 PM
Definitely, didn't even realize that, but yes.

Yeah only one month is very clutch.

greppson
08-06-2009, 10:15 PM
Bonus Track for LT16: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_aY7HZvFpQ

The Godfather
08-06-2009, 10:16 PM
Bonus Track for LT16: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_aY7HZvFpQ

I fell for it. :bitchslap :lmao

Poth Ead
08-06-2009, 10:18 PM
Yeah only one month is very clutch.

yup... glad to see other's feel the same. The wait at times was a bit long.

Hopefully, this timing becomes the standard going forward :upyours

greppson
08-06-2009, 10:20 PM
yeah, but it is TAY ZONDAY!

Moses
08-06-2009, 10:23 PM
its TAY ZONDAY, I'm not even mad it wasn't a bonus track, that was just as fulfilling.

Poth Ead
08-06-2009, 10:24 PM
We don't have a version of Typical from 2000. That's a nice plus for me with this release :upyours

CRUSHsoccer15
08-06-2009, 10:30 PM
ehhh. this is what the 3rd from 2000? lots of repeats from those. everything sounds that same from that year. sounds good, but not much variation.

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 10:37 PM
ehhh. this is what the 3rd from 2000? lots of repeats from those. everything sounds that same from that year. sounds good, but not much variation.

totally differ. They sounded way different in June without Butch on these nascent LWS tunes than they did in late August with Butch. This is one tour where they sounded very different at the start than near the end. There has only been one song released from this half of the tour.

Caveat Emperor
08-06-2009, 10:39 PM
Awesome choice for a set. This is one of my favorite shows I have downloaded, even though I wasn't at this one.

Great choice, this'll be a pre-order for me.

CRUSHsoccer15
08-06-2009, 10:41 PM
totally differ. They sounded way different in June without Butch on these nascent LWS tunes than they did in late August with Butch. This is one tour where they sounded very different at the start than near the end. There has only been one song released from this half of the tour.

Oh. I stand corrected. I did not know Butch was not on these. Didn't look into it enough.

Wait...I like Butch. Especially in 2000.

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 10:41 PM
It's a stretch, but does anyone know if Dave used the Chet at this show?

celluloid hero
08-06-2009, 10:42 PM
It's a stretch, but does anyone know if Dave used the Chet at this show?

no, he ditched it in 99

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 10:43 PM
It was around for some of 2000.

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 10:44 PM
It's a stretch, but does anyone know if Dave used the Chet at this show?

I think he used it once or twice(for single songs, not shows) from 6/19-6/27 but I could be wrong, and then used it a bit more once the Stadium gigs started in Chicago on 6/29.

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 10:46 PM
I think he used it once or twice(for single songs, not shows) from 6/19-6/27 but I could be wrong, and then used it a bit more once the Stadium gigs started in Chicago on 6/29.

Yeah this sounds right. I'm guessing he was using the 714 at this show but wasn't sure.

Moses
08-06-2009, 10:47 PM
Yeah this sounds right. I'm guessing he was using the 714 at this show.

<3

greppson
08-06-2009, 10:47 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20000929065534/www.dmband.com/road/html/dailys/06-27-00.html

Moses
08-06-2009, 10:49 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20000929065534/www.dmband.com/road/html/dailys/06-27-00.html

looks like it was a use of the 714 and a Martin at this show.

anyone know which Martin?

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 10:49 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20000929065534/www.dmband.com/road/html/dailys/06-27-00.html

:upyours Nice work. Thank you.

greppson
08-06-2009, 10:51 PM
looks like he used the chet on 7/5/00 so it wouldn't surprise me if he used it from start of the tour: http://web.archive.org/web/20001109004300/www.dmband.com/road/html/dailys/07-05-00.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20001109004300/http://www.dmband.com/road/images/dailys/07-05-00/b_bt_dm.jpg

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 10:52 PM
I think all the stadium gigs he used the chet for at least 5 or so songs. I know 7/9 he used it for almost the entire show, minus the 12-string tunes obviously.

greppson
08-06-2009, 10:53 PM
giants stadium 7/11-12/00 pic:

http://web.archive.org/web/20001109010400/http://www.dmband.com/road/images/dailys/07-12-00/dave.jpg

SeekUpAB
08-06-2009, 10:58 PM
That's the Taylor 714 actually.

He used the Chet for all of 7/5, including the 12-string songs. I think he mixed it in for certain songs on some of the early shows, but it was completely gone by the end of July I think.

Fan#41
08-06-2009, 10:59 PM
That's the Taylor 714 actually.

He used the Chet for all of 7/5, including the 12-string songs. I think he mixed it in for certain songs on some of the early shows, but it was completely gone by the end of July I think.

Yeah 7/25/00 was the last anyone saw the Chet.

The Godfather
08-06-2009, 11:03 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20000929065534/www.dmband.com/road/html/dailys/06-27-00.html

:upyours

greppson
08-06-2009, 11:11 PM
The 2000 summer tour was also the start of the live setlist. I remember sitting there on 6/19-20/00 watching songs titled "Sweet Up and Down", "JTR", "Grey Street", and "Raven" come out. And "Bartender" full band. Some wow stuff right there.

I need to dig some of those shows out and listen again because that summer 2000 tour was a pretty magical time for the band. That stuff was "edgy" but had this full-body, mature sound. It was great. Man, summer 2000. Wish I could go back.

The Godfather
08-06-2009, 11:16 PM
The 2000 summer tour was also the start of the live setlist. I remember sitting there on 6/19-20/00 watching songs titled "Sweet Up and Down", "JTR", "Grey Street", and "Raven" come out. And "Bartender" full band. Some wow stuff right there.

I need to dig some of those shows out and listen again because that summer 2000 tour was a pretty magical time for the band. That stuff was "edgy" but had this full-body, mature sound. It was great. Man, summer 2000. Wish I could go back.

:upyours

it was a great time to be a dmb fan. I did 12 shows that year.

pgr17
08-06-2009, 11:21 PM
good selection... but they should ask their friends at TDC next.

SUMMER 1997

kramer73
08-06-2009, 11:21 PM
So if it was vote decided why didn't a 97 show run away with the vote?

probably already been said, but the people at Ants are idiots

greppson
08-06-2009, 11:23 PM
http://dmbalmanac.com/showstubs/453054403.jpg

Welsh
08-06-2009, 11:26 PM
They must not have any 97 shows that are good enough quality to be released. That's the only thing I can imagine being wrong with them.

Welsh
08-06-2009, 11:28 PM
I like the 6/26/00 setlist...

As far as guitars go, I was at 7/13, 15, and was on stage 7/16 (working security at the time). I don't ever remember him touching the Chet any of those 3 nights. And on the tapes, it sounds like he stays with the Martin-Taylor guitars the whole time.

greppson
08-06-2009, 11:28 PM
i wish they'd release a 96, 97, and an earlier fall 98 show... like 11.16.98. ;)

pgr17
08-06-2009, 11:34 PM
http://dmbalmanac.com/showstubs/453054403.jpg

wow, $45+ nine years ago... didn't really realize that.

drh424s
08-06-2009, 11:37 PM
there's maybe 3 songs on this release i'll listen to regularly. Oh well, won't be buying this one.

willndmb
08-06-2009, 11:54 PM
there's maybe 3 songs on this release i'll listen to regularly. Oh well, won't be buying this one.

really
what 3 would you listen to?

NiCK Crush
08-06-2009, 11:55 PM
definitely more than 3 songs are this release worth listening to... :dunno

Poth Ead
08-07-2009, 12:11 AM
there's maybe 3 songs on this release i'll listen to regularly. Oh well, won't be buying this one.

good. and stop posting here while you're at it

Klooner
08-07-2009, 12:17 AM
This is out of left field. Imagine a 41 opener today.

Klooner
08-07-2009, 12:18 AM
SUAD. JTR. In the year 2000.

The Godfather
08-07-2009, 12:20 AM
SUAD. JTR. In the year 2000.

::singing::

In the year 2000

Klooner
08-07-2009, 12:22 AM
::singing::

In the year 2000

"Dave Matthews Band, an act known for its grassroots approach for developing its fanbase, will seek out a producer who can bring songs "straight to da clubz."

In the year 2000 ...

Crush87
08-07-2009, 12:26 AM
Saddens me to see Ants have a say in anything official. At this rate we will never get a '97 let alone a '93

Think outside the box people

CRaShiNtONiCkDMB
08-07-2009, 12:39 AM
lol @ talking shit on jake and ants.

some of you are pathetic. i mean, really? are you serious?

godshufflingby
08-07-2009, 12:39 AM
This is out of left field. Imagine a 41 opener today.

I saw it in 05' at Starlake, so you never know.

CRaShiNtONiCkDMB
08-07-2009, 12:42 AM
yeah, 41 opened in scranton just last year. most people dont even remember.

SeekUpAB
08-07-2009, 12:56 AM
lol @ talking shit on jake and ants.

some of you are pathetic. i mean, really? are you serious?

What even brought you over here tonight? He's not here you know, you don't have to keep licking his balls.

Define Dancing
08-07-2009, 01:02 AM
lol @ talking shit on jake and ants.

some of you are pathetic. i mean, really? are you serious?

what is pathetic about not wanting two douche bags like Matt and Jake or a site full of shitty fan boys have the power to pick an LT?

CRaShiNtONiCkDMB
08-07-2009, 01:04 AM
what is pathetic about not wanting two douche bags like Matt and Jake or a site full of shitty fan boys have the power to pick an LT?

shitty fan boys? dude, its a website. you dont know anybody on there. isnt this statement kind of, well, stupid?

CRaShiNtONiCkDMB
08-07-2009, 01:04 AM
What even brought you over here tonight? He's not here you know, you don't have to keep licking his balls.

im not licking his balls. i just dont see why one must talk so much shit on someone they dont even know.

Moses
08-07-2009, 01:23 AM
lol @ talking shit on jake and ants.

some of you are pathetic. i mean, really? are you serious?

get the fuck out... I'm serious, get the fuck out.

CRaShiNtONiCkDMB
08-07-2009, 01:25 AM
get the fuck out... I'm serious, get the fuck out.

why? im just pointing out how silly some of you look. i don't want any problems. i didn't do anything.

Moses
08-07-2009, 01:27 AM
why? im just pointing out how silly some of you look. i don't want any problems. i didn't do anything.

im just fucking around

Vincent
08-07-2009, 01:53 AM
Nice contrast to LT3.

Still hard to believe I didn't start seeing DMB until 2001.

Vincent
08-07-2009, 01:56 AM
yeah, 41 opened in scranton just last year. most people dont even remember.

Compared to YMDT ..............

CRaShiNtONiCkDMB
08-07-2009, 01:57 AM
Compared to YMDT ..............

YMDT as an opener. yuck.

Yee
08-07-2009, 01:59 AM
Nice contrast to LT3.

Still hard to believe I didn't start seeing DMB until 2001.


nOOb! :lmao

JWood
08-07-2009, 02:25 AM
get the fuck out... I'm serious, get the fuck out.

im just fucking around

be a man, hold your ground

jsandr
08-07-2009, 03:32 AM
In comparison to a great deal of the rest of the tour...it's just..fairly bland. I mean it's not a horrible show by any means but the flow isn't that great. A few solid performances. Crush is really good but overall, it was just one of those warm-up shows for the tour, ya know? Again, it's not a bad show but when I look at everything else being neglected from that year...

totally agree w/ the sentiment.

I don't think i've listened to this show, but if they wanted to go for an original 5 show from 2000, 8/20/2000 from Alpine would have been much better... of course, they've already released 2 alpine shows, so that's a no-go. I'm not at all complaining about a 2000 release, though... that tour, particularly towards the latter half, was my favorite... dave's voice = best of all-time that year.

time to go listen to 8-2-00 sbd, LT3, whichever number the SPac release was, and 9-2-00.

ThememanXX
08-07-2009, 03:32 AM
why? im just pointing out how silly some of you look. i don't want any problems. i didn't do anything.

:lol

Mersh
08-07-2009, 05:12 AM
If Ants is picking shows to be released now, I guess we need to start posting there. I'm not complaining about an 00 show, just wondering why they like this one so much compared to many others from that year (or other years even). Was it someone's first show?

Mersh
08-07-2009, 05:14 AM
I think it's funny.

it isn't.

bsan83
08-07-2009, 06:20 AM
This is a weird choice.

Do we get to pick one next?!?!

celluloid hero
08-07-2009, 06:29 AM
totally agree w/ the sentiment.

I don't think i've listened to this show, but if they wanted to go for an original 5 show from 2000, 8/20/2000 from Alpine would have been much better... of course, they've already released 2 alpine shows, so that's a no-go. I'm not at all complaining about a 2000 release, though... that tour, particularly towards the latter half, was my favorite... dave's voice = best of all-time that year.

time to go listen to 8-2-00 sbd, LT3, whichever number the SPac release was, and 9-2-00.

you shouldn't agree that a show you haven't listened to is bland

bsan83
08-07-2009, 06:34 AM
Especially when what Boyd did at some of that 8.2 show was criminal.

How is he on this one?

JustinC
08-07-2009, 07:22 AM
no ladies or butch either...


you know whats kinda funny ever since butch left they havent released a live trax with him on it.

im thinking this maybe another reason why this show got picked.

greppson
08-07-2009, 07:44 AM
although i love the summer of 2000 stuff, i can't fathom how some years and tours have been completely ignored, but then we will now have our 3RD LT from the summer 2000 tour. it boggles my mind. it was good, but not to the point that a 97 or 96 show shouldn't see the light before it.

sdaltons
08-07-2009, 07:59 AM
shitty fan boys? dude, its a website. you dont know anybody on there. isnt this statement kind of, well, stupid?
who the hell is this guy?

its perfectly fine that we're bitching about them letting someone from there pick a show when he picked a show from a year we already have several solid releases from.

if jake had picked the best show from the 97 tour, we would be making comments like "maybe jake isn't so bad after all."

fact is he brought this on himself by being allowed to choose and choosing one that not that many people are that interested in.

willndmb
08-07-2009, 08:01 AM
jason, you can bet the next ones from 09, so we will have to wait much longer i am afraid

dmb448
08-07-2009, 08:04 AM
Saddens me to see Ants have a say in anything official. At this rate we will never get a '97 let alone a '93

Think outside the box people

I say alot of you don't like Ants here. They are officially recognized by the band unlike TDC so I see there is a lot of jealously/hatred here. If anything WeeklyDaveSpeak and Dmbalmanac deserve to pick shows as well. I'm not sure the band would go here to ask for a show but you never know.

jmur
08-07-2009, 08:08 AM
I say alot of you don't like Ants here. They are officially recognized by the band unlike TDC so I see there is a lot of jealously/hatred here. If anything WeeklyDaveSpeak and Dmbalmanac deserve to pick shows as well. I'm not sure the band would go here to ask for a show but you never know.

its not jealousy. back read my friend to see what our gripes are about.

sdaltons
08-07-2009, 08:14 AM
I say alot of you don't like Ants here. They are officially recognized by the band unlike TDC so I see there is a lot of jealously/hatred here. If anything WeeklyDaveSpeak and Dmbalmanac deserve to pick shows as well. I'm not sure the band would go here to ask for a show but you never know.
:lol

drh424s
08-07-2009, 08:17 AM
good. and stop posting here while you're at it

boohoo, i'm sorry this one just doesn't appeal to me

TheNoise
08-07-2009, 08:18 AM
WeeklyDaveSpeak

ha

batleon
08-07-2009, 08:33 AM
Wow, I have mixed feelings about this. An early '00 release is something I wanted, but I've never heard this show before.

Let's face it, some of the decisions about what live releases get put out, be it an LT or a bonus disc track, have had us scratching our head for years. If I'd heard, "we're not picking this one on our own, we're going to turn to the staff of antsmarching.org to help us pick it," I'd have said, "hey, go for it." Management clearly doesn't know how to pick the right shows most of the time, why not give a fan a chance? And we may like to bash Jake for his know-it-all attitude most of the time, but personally, I don't think you can fault his taste in shows. Don't believe me? Here are the shows he was recommending back in '04-'05 when I was first getting into trading:
http://www.antsmarching.org/downloads/spotlight.php
These are hardly bad recommendations.

Which is why I'm a little surprised by this pick. Jake always spoke highly of 6/22, so I'm surprised this one got the nod instead. I think 6/22 or 6/23 would've been good picks. But, again, I haven't listened to this 6/26 show, so I'll reserve judgment. I could see him pushing 6/22, and management offering 6/26 as a compromise for whatever reason. Who knows. But I'd like to see some of the other fan sites they list on dmband.com (*cough* Almanac *cough*) get a shot at making a pick too. That's not a bash on Ants, I just think it's only fair.

That being said, I don't like Ants getting still more endorsement as the voice of the fan base. There are other fans out there too.

Oakley
08-07-2009, 08:38 AM
Man, Boyd is really horrible at places in this show. Still a solid pick, but some overdubs might be in order here.

batleon
08-07-2009, 08:43 AM
Man, Boyd is really horrible at places in this show. Still a solid pick, but some overdubs might be in order here.

You see, a comment like that has me worried for this release.

DMBCLSTJ
08-07-2009, 08:44 AM
Wow, I have mixed feelings about this. An early '00 release is something I wanted, but I've never heard this show before.

Let's face it, some of the decisions about what live releases get put out, be it an LT or a bonus disc track, have had us scratching our head for years. If I'd heard, "we're not picking this one on our own, we're going to turn to the staff of antsmarching.org to help us pick it," I'd have said, "hey, go for it." Management clearly doesn't know how to pick the right shows most of the time, why not give a fan a chance? And we may like to bash Jake for his know-it-all attitude most of the time, but personally, I don't think you can fault his taste in shows. Don't believe me? Here are the shows he was recommending back in '04-'05 when I was first getting into trading:
http://www.antsmarching.org/downloads/spotlight.php
These are hardly bad recommendations.

Which is why I'm a little surprised by this pick. Jake always spoke highly of 6/22, so I'm surprised this one got the nod instead. I think 6/22 or 6/23 would've been good picks. But, again, I haven't listened to this 6/26 show, so I'll reserve judgment. I could see him pushing 6/22, and management offering 6/26 as a compromise for whatever reason. Who knows. But I'd like to see some of the other fan sites they list on dmband.com (*cough* Almanac *cough*) get a shot at making a pick too. That's not a bash on Ants, I just think it's only fair.

That being said, I don't like Ants getting still more endorsement as the voice of the fan base. There are other fans out there too.

Im a big BT supporter but he is just terrible out of tune on that 6/23 show.

LoganBuckeye
08-07-2009, 08:51 AM
First ever release of a show I've been to, so obviously I'm excited for this release.

For a long time, I considered this the best show I'd been to, and it is still in my top 10 (and maybe top 5?) - last night before Butch and the LL (they were there for 6/27)

Putting this on again today while I'm at work.

Isn't this the Grey St. with the TOTALLY different lyrics like "Little Jimmy's been a bad boy again" and stuff like that ?

I'll listen and check it out. Haven't listened for a long time.

jmur
08-07-2009, 08:52 AM
the album art for this release sucks.

im not sure if the photo just do anything for me, or if im just bored with the design.

batleon
08-07-2009, 08:52 AM
Im a big BT supporter but he is just terrible out of tune on that 6/23 show.

Hmmm, guess I need to dig that one out again. Now that I think about it, it's been a long time since I listened to anything from June '00.

Mike VDH
08-07-2009, 08:53 AM
I'm excited for this show but as most everybody else, I would have preferred a Summer '97.

Interesting comments about wanting an '09 release so early. We have three of them from last year and when they announced each one (except maybe LT15), everyone was disappointed they didn't choose any earlier show. We'll get an '09 release or two (or five) but don't let that take you away from this pick.

ThememanXX
08-07-2009, 08:53 AM
Isn't this the Grey St. with the TOTALLY different lyrics like "Little Jimmy's been a bad boy again" and stuff like that ?

Yep. :upyours

SonofSuns34
08-07-2009, 09:03 AM
Oh little Jimmy's been a bad boy again
he said never waltz this way
he beat that kid with the violin again
says, boy you better not play that around me
the boy said, yea
you could pound me into ground beef
but I'm going to sing it all night long
whether you like it or not

ucfhitman
08-07-2009, 09:09 AM
Oh little Jimmy's been a bad boy again
he said never waltz this way
he beat that kid with the violin again
says, boy you better not play that around me
the boy said, yea
you could pound me into ground beef
but I'm going to sing it all night long
whether you like it or not

Fucking Jake and his god damn alternate Grey Street lyrics

MUDaveFan
08-07-2009, 09:31 AM
I am sure it has been said somewhere in here, but that t-shirt is AWESOME!!! Even if it does look like Mr. Red with Down's Syndrome.

Huff
08-07-2009, 09:36 AM
awesome show near the top of my list I've attended.

I'm more than happy that this is being released...just in time to be a birthday present no less!

Emily
08-07-2009, 09:51 AM
and if Ants got last pick, Almanac should get next. It's only fair.
:upyours :upyours Absolutely.
They're up their own asses enough as it is, they don't need to be brought into the fold for things like picking releases now too.
Definitely. I truly don't understand why DMB management has honed in on Ants and seems oblivious to every other fan site out there (besides Nancies, I guess...RIP). I know that if they started catering to a bunch, then more would clamor for recognition, etc etc. And Ants is very large. But if nothing else, the fucking Almanac! That place is a beast and while it may not be a "fan site" in terms of being a message board and fostering discussion, it is a ridiculously extensive and vital resource for this community. Hell, there's probably a ton of things documented on there that everyone in the band/management forgot about long ago.
I already have the entire 2000 tour on disk, but I'll buy this because I've bought every other one.
:sly The entire tour on disc, eh? That's hardcore.
I bet they cut that BYAH tease out of the final cut
Booooooooooo, that would be terrible.

jsandr
08-07-2009, 09:53 AM
you shouldn't agree that a show you haven't listened to is bland


i meant to only respond to the last part about those shows feeling like a tour warmup compared to what happened later... making a selection of this show for LT a bit odd.

setlist-wise, looks pretty good, actually. Given some of the boyd atrocities from some of the shows prior to it, that would seem to be a concern... but who knows. I think I'll definitely pick it up.

and to BSan: i don't notice much criminal activity from Boyd on that 8-2-00 show, especially when that's a show that absolutely showcased LeRoi on the top of his game.

Emily
08-07-2009, 09:57 AM
The set does look pretty great, but knowing that there are better shows out there from this tour and (hypothetically) our fan base could've chosen a show for this release instead, it puts a little bit of a bad taste in my mouth.

NiCK Crush
08-07-2009, 10:01 AM
I want to know Ants reasoning behind picking this one. Don' get me wrong, I think it'll be a solid release and am excited for it... but if they really had so much say, why this one?

Emily
08-07-2009, 10:03 AM
I want to know Ants reasoning behind picking this one. Don' get me wrong, I think it'll be a solid release and am excited for it... but if they really had so much to say, why this one?
Fixed.

Smylie
08-07-2009, 10:05 AM
Can anyone up an mp3 of this grey street?

mrchattr
08-07-2009, 10:16 AM
Definitely. I truly don't understand why DMB management has honed in on Ants and seems oblivious to every other fan site out there (besides Nancies, I guess...RIP). I know that if they started catering to a bunch, then more would clamor for recognition, etc etc. And Ants is very large. But if nothing else, the fucking Almanac! That place is a beast and while it may not be a "fan site" in terms of being a message board and fostering discussion, it is a ridiculously extensive and vital resource for this community. Hell, there's probably a ton of things documented on there that everyone in the band/management forgot about long ago.

I know we all hate Ants, I certainly do. However, looking at their tour database, it seems like people who use Ants make up about 10% of the audience at any given show, if not a little bit more. I assume that the other sites probably make up maybe 1%, if even, of the audience. So yeah, I can see why Ants gets more props from DMB than the other sites do.

.Gary.
08-07-2009, 10:33 AM
Ants are primarily a group of sycophantic ballwashers who sit at the lap of Cap$haw and hardly criticize the band as honestly and directly as people on other message boards do.

And let's be real, this band has a hard time taking criticism.

Mersh
08-07-2009, 11:04 AM
And let's be real, this band has a hard time taking criticism.

indeed

1t. Dan
08-07-2009, 11:12 AM
Anyone mention Dan Meyers on a bunch of these tunes?

Mersh
08-07-2009, 11:14 AM
read the thread

Tomacco
08-07-2009, 11:14 AM
Anyone mention Dan Meyers on a bunch of these tunes?

I just noticed that too. Haven't heard those performances - any good?

Rowsdower
08-07-2009, 11:15 AM
This setlist is incredible. I'm pumped for this show already. A 2000 Sweet Up and Down? YES PLEASE!

raven
08-07-2009, 11:22 AM
nice.. looking forward to it

Poth Ead
08-07-2009, 11:54 AM
I just noticed that too. Haven't heard those performances - any good?

The only performance I heard from this show was Typical >> Little Thing, which is very, verrry good, especially the breakdown jam.

Farn Dogg
08-07-2009, 11:55 AM
"i like to play with balloons"

I'll admit I laughed.

Rowsdower
08-07-2009, 11:55 AM
It's too bad this thing isn't coming out in like a week. I could go for a good new Live Trax to listen to.

Poth Ead
08-07-2009, 11:58 AM
the album art for this release sucks.

im not sure if the photo just do anything for me, or if im just bored with the design.

Why did they select that Salmon color for the cover... didn't they just use salmon for LT15? Anyway, I like how LeRoi is just chillin and it's another backshot

awintering001
08-07-2009, 11:59 AM
My fifth show.....fantastic choice. Last show before the lovely ladies unleashed their fury

hobbesthecat
08-07-2009, 11:59 AM
My fifth show.....fantastic choice. Last show before the lovely ladies unleashed their fury

:lol:lol

Crush87
08-07-2009, 12:01 PM
There's a pro shot of this. Unless I'm thinking of another June 00 show. Which is the one with the leaked SUAD?

Moses
08-07-2009, 12:06 PM
Wow, I have mixed feelings about this. An early '00 release is something I wanted, but I've never heard this show before.

Let's face it, some of the decisions about what live releases get put out, be it an LT or a bonus disc track, have had us scratching our head for years. If I'd heard, "we're not picking this one on our own, we're going to turn to the staff of antsmarching.org to help us pick it," I'd have said, "hey, go for it." Management clearly doesn't know how to pick the right shows most of the time, why not give a fan a chance? And we may like to bash Jake for his know-it-all attitude most of the time, but personally, I don't think you can fault his taste in shows. Don't believe me? Here are the shows he was recommending back in '04-'05 when I was first getting into trading:
http://www.antsmarching.org/downloads/spotlight.php
These are hardly bad recommendations.

Which is why I'm a little surprised by this pick. Jake always spoke highly of 6/22, so I'm surprised this one got the nod instead. I think 6/22 or 6/23 would've been good picks. But, again, I haven't listened to this 6/26 show, so I'll reserve judgment. I could see him pushing 6/22, and management offering 6/26 as a compromise for whatever reason. Who knows. But I'd like to see some of the other fan sites they list on dmband.com (*cough* Almanac *cough*) get a shot at making a pick too. That's not a bash on Ants, I just think it's only fair.

That being said, I don't like Ants getting still more endorsement as the voice of the fan base. There are other fans out there too.

Yeah, the people who have been seeing and listening to this band for years, not just for their job but as fans as well dont know how to pick releases? Get real. What don't people understand about it being a business too? Its not going to make anyone here happy but its true. Oh and believe it or not, there are A LOT of DMB fans out there that do not post on message boards who might not enjoy a gritty 97/96 show released.

I believe the picks for Live Trax are simply a decision based upon what show can they release to satisfy the widest market possible. (crazy idea I know).

I am also suggesting that we should give a little more praise for this one, rather than joust for the shows we went to weeks later (that apparently were factually better, who knew).

Mersh
08-07-2009, 12:07 PM
I just noticed that express (day of release) shipping is almost the same price as the show...$15.20. :lol is it just me or is it getting worse?

Mersh
08-07-2009, 12:10 PM
I will get and enjoy this show. I realize it is a business, but yes...there are better shows...many better shows. Still happy with this one though...I'll take it over what the 09 show of the week is.

Moses
08-07-2009, 12:12 PM
I will get and enjoy this show. I realize it is a business, but yes...there are better shows...many better shows. Still happy with this one though...I'll take it over what the 09 show of the week is.

Yeah, me too.

jmur
08-07-2009, 12:13 PM
There's a pro shot of this. Unless I'm thinking of another June 00 show. Which is the one with the leaked SUAD?

there is? hmmmm i would love to get my hands on this..

Mersh
08-07-2009, 12:14 PM
I know it is easy to bag on messageboard geeks as out of touch with most fans because we are pretty ridiculous about some stuff, but I don't think the majority of the shows people always suggest for LT releases here and on other boards wouldn't do as well as a show like this. I mean they are loaded with classic DMB tunes for the most part...not anything obscure or something only a tiny portion of fans would enjoy. Does DMB really have any shows like that anyway?

Mersh
08-07-2009, 12:16 PM
for real though...$15.20 for day of shipping (not that I ever get day of shipping)? bubble wrap has gotten expensive

Yeedog
08-07-2009, 12:18 PM
Definitely. I truly don't understand why DMB management has honed in on Ants and seems oblivious to every other fan site out there (besides Nancies, I guess...RIP). I know that if they started catering to a bunch, then more would clamor for recognition, etc etc. And Ants is very large. But if nothing else, the fucking Almanac! That place is a beast and while it may not be a "fan site" in terms of being a message board and fostering discussion, it is a ridiculously extensive and vital resource for this community. Hell, there's probably a ton of things documented on there that everyone in the band/management forgot about long ago.


I think Ants get's alot of DMB love because Ants is the only full featured DMB fan site around. It's easy for DMB management to latch on to and use Ants as a PR outlet.

TDC is more of a message board then a fan site. There is nothing for DMB to point to in terms of TDC and be like check this site out for info on DMB.

Yes, there is tons of info on the message boards, but I don't think the average fan really wants to read/post on a message board. I believe the average fan wants information and the latest DMB news and rumors presented to them and not have to search for it on a messageboard.

The Ants' tour archive is worthless compared to the almanac. This is especially true now that the almanac implemented personal tour stats. That was the only useful feature on Ants for a while.

Nancies and Ants are similar in the sense that they are a complete package site. The only other site that you can compare them to is the weekly dave speak and the old AmIDreaming website.

To me is just seems logical from DMBs perspective to choose Ants over a place like TDC.

Mersh
08-07-2009, 12:19 PM
plus all the ass sucking

Mersh
08-07-2009, 12:20 PM
really though...and this isn't a new idea...it'd be pretty easy to set up a voting system for LT releases. They aren't going to do it and I get it, but it'd be pretty easy to do.

batleon
08-07-2009, 12:21 PM
Yeah, the people who have been seeing and listening to this band for years, not just for their job but as fans as well dont know how to pick releases? Get real. What don't people understand about it being a business too? Its not going to make anyone here happy but its true. Oh and believe it or not, there are A LOT of DMB fans out there that do not post on message boards who might not enjoy a gritty 97/96 show released.

I believe the picks for Live Trax are simply a decision based upon what show can they release to satisfy the widest market possible. (crazy idea I know).

I am also suggesting that we should give a little more praise for this one, rather than joust for the shows we went to weeks later (that apparently were factually better, who knew).

I understand that when stuff is for sale. But what about WH bonus discs? Put some thought into the tracks.

I know It IS a business and the DO have to make money, or we don't get anything. In fact, allying themselves with ants is probably a good business decision. Say what you want, but they have "won" the board wars. No other site compares to them in terms of size and, like it or not, a good cross-representation of their audience.

They don't need to appeal to us. Hell, most people here "buy everything they put out anyway." Why would they bother?

However, it doesn't mean we won't bitch about it :lol

Fan#41
08-07-2009, 12:21 PM
Yeah, the people who have been seeing and listening to this band for years, not just for their job but as fans as well dont know how to pick releases? Get real. What don't people understand about it being a business too? Its not going to make anyone here happy but its true. Oh and believe it or not, there are A LOT of DMB fans out there that do not post on message boards who might not enjoy a gritty 97/96 show released.

I believe the picks for Live Trax are simply a decision based upon what show can they release to satisfy the widest market possible. (crazy idea I know).

I am also suggesting that we should give a little more praise for this one, rather than joust for the shows we went to weeks later (that apparently were factually better, who knew).


Everyone here knows it's a business. The fact that you think you're standing on some soap box proclaiming it as unknown knowledge proves how little you know, and how little you've been reading the boards over the years even though you'll claim otherwise. And as far as a market release, this doesn't even smell like one. GGP? Yes. Red Rocks '05? Yes. CP? Yes. Fenway? Yes. This release? No. So don't even think you can stand behind some market argument.

The selections for the Live Trax series are extremely varied. Some seem as if they're released for a certain core base, others are released to please a larger audience, and some releases have specific reasons behind them (ie; Roi's last show).

And odds are, the online community as a whole are the ones that make up the majority of those purchasing these releases, especially in the digital form, so with that in mind, there really isn't too much of an excuse to completely ignore a year like 1997 unless of course there's recording issues and their tapes are fucked from that year, who knows really.

Farn Dogg
08-07-2009, 12:22 PM
Rob, if you want to update the almanac's lyrics for 2step I believe the last line is

"to open up the mind, tomorrow sail" (noah's arc reference)

Mersh
08-07-2009, 12:23 PM
Yeah, I'd be surprised to find out the casual fan (for lack of a better label) buys these things.

greppson
08-07-2009, 12:23 PM
one could say that i left my mod "position" at ants for "artistic differences" but really 1) i didn't have the time to be a mod anymore and 2) they kept doing stuff that i thought was stupid (creating their own torrent tracker--that leeches off of dreaingtree, btw--when dreamingtree.org is working fine) or that they just didn't tell me about. i mean, i was a supposed "staff" member there and i would find stuff out when it was posted to the main page.

Fan#41
08-07-2009, 12:23 PM
I think Ants get's alot of DMB love because Ants is the only full featured DMB fan site around. It's easy for DMB management to latch on to and use Ants as a PR outlet.

TDC is more of a message board then a fan site. There is nothing for DMB to point to in terms of TDC and be like check this site out for info on DMB.

Yes, there is tons of info on the message boards, but I don't think the average fan really wants to read/post on a message board. I believe the average fan wants information and the latest DMB news and rumors presented to them and not have to search for it on a messageboard.

The Ants' tour archive is worthless compared to the almanac. This is especially true now that the almanac implemented personal tour stats. That was the only useful feature on Ants for a while.

Nancies and Ants are similar in the sense that they are a complete package site. The only other site that you can compare them to is the weekly dave speak and the old AmIDreaming website.

To me is just seems logical from DMBs perspective to choose Ants over a place like TDC.

I definitely agree with this.