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NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 10:56 AM
http://media.musictoday.com/store/bands/1/product_medium/DMCD72.JPG
Dave Matthews Band performed at Vivo Rio in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on September 30, 2008 in front of many South American fans seeing the band live for the first time. The audience in Brazil was ecstatic which comes through in the recording and DMB really plays up to their exuberance. Highlights include Carlos Malta on the wood fife in Say Goodbye, his influence bringing a distinct flavor and Brazilian sound. Burning Down the House followed by an arresting Two Step are also noteworthy as is an emotional The Stone. The synergy between the band members is evident throughout the show. Other songs of the note on the Rio release are the show-opener, Bartender as well as Grey Street which makes its first official live release performed by the new formation of band members.



Live Trax Vol. 19
Official Track Listing:

CD 1
1. Bartender
2. Warehouse
3. You Might Die Trying
4. Stay or Leave
5. The Stone
6. Say Goodbye

CD 2
1. Corn Bread
2. Grey Street
3. Crush
4. So Much To Say > Anyone Seen the Bridge? >
5. Ants Marching
6. Jimi Thing

CD 3
1. Satellite
2. #41
3. So Damn Lucky
4. Don’t Drink the Water
5. Burning Down the House
6. Two Step

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http://www.sonymusic.com.br/newsletter/set1710/5.jpg


Apparently to be released before the show in Brazil this October.

Dave Matthews Band
September 30, 2008
Vivo Rio, Rio de Janeiro, RJ, BRA

Bartender
Warehouse
You Might Die Trying
Stay or Leave
The Stone
Say Goodbye
Corn Bread
Grey Street
Crush
So Much to Say »
Anyone Seen the Bridge »
Too Much [fake] »
Ants Marching
Jimi Thing
Satellite
#41
So Damn Lucky
Don't Drink the Water
-----------------------------------
Burning Down the House
Two Step


I'm thinking this could possibly be an overseas release only. We shall see.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 10:57 AM
Oh, and a few of us have been talking about this in the Wrigley N2 thread, but I know not everyone reads every thread.

raven
09-20-2010, 11:00 AM
Interesting.. good find. Would be odd if they only release it overseas.. it would probably sell well here too

raven
09-20-2010, 11:01 AM
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056604&tid=101&where=2008

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 11:07 AM
Great setlist. I remember when this show happened I was really hoping a recording would surface. From the youtube clips I remember, that Say Goodbye is pretty awesome.

Notes:
- First current DMB lineup releases of Grey Street, The Stone, Warehouse, and Say Goodbye.
- First live release of full-band DMB Stay or Leave.
- First release with a ASTB > Too Much [Fake] > Ants Marching

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 11:11 AM
I just can't get too excited for this one. I would have taken another 2001 show over this at this point... we don't need another 2008 show yet.

It really does seem like it's gonna be overseas only though (I mean, the Brazil show is Oct 8th), and I bet we see a different US release.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 11:11 AM
I just can't get too excited for this one. I would have taken another 2001 show over this at this point... we don't need another 2008 show yet.

It really does seem like it's gonna be overseas only though (I mean, the Brazil show is Oct 8th), and I bet we see a different US release.

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 11:11 AM
It will be released in Brazil as a 2-disc album and later in the US as a full-concert Live Trax.

(...)
- First release with a ASTB > Too Much [Fake] > Ants Marching

There is one on Live Trax 11.

AndyB
09-20-2010, 11:12 AM
Yeah, the Say Goodbye alone is enough reason to want this.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 11:12 AM
It will be released in Brazil as a 2-disc album and later in the US as a full-concert Live Trax.

Where'd you hear about the US Live Trax?

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 11:12 AM
It will be released in Brazil as a 2-disc album and later in the US as a full-concert Live Trax.



There is one on Live Trax 11.

Oh. I guess we know what LT 19 is then. A bit disappointed in that regard, since I was hoping for a 2010 show as the next LT. Hopefully there will be an in-store release of a 2010 show then before the holidays.

AndyB
09-20-2010, 11:13 AM
I just can't get too excited for this one. I would have taken another 2001 show over this at this point... we don't need another 2008 show yet.

I would take 5 or 6 more 2008 releases before a 2001.

bsan83
09-20-2010, 11:13 AM
Makes sense going into the Rio show. Given how they were playing in '08, I'm sure it's a filthy show.

I never, ever want an '01 show released. The only one I wouldn't be completely aghast with is 7.25, and even that would be a waste for 1/3 of it.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 11:14 AM
I would take 5 or 6 more 2008 releases before a 2001.

It was just an extreme example to show how we do not need another 2008 release.

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 11:15 AM
Where'd you hear about the US Live Trax?

"Almost-confirmed" rumors, so far.

It's probably gonna be confirmed later when DMBrasil announces the album officialy.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 11:16 AM
I see

soups
09-20-2010, 11:17 AM
whooptie shit

Poth Ead
09-20-2010, 11:17 AM
blah. no interest in this...

AndyB
09-20-2010, 11:21 AM
It was just an extreme example to show how we do not need another 2008 release.

Meh. It's difficult for me to get upset about this. They wanted to release a Brazil show, and this is far and away the best option.

rnieves
09-20-2010, 11:23 AM
I hope they use the same picture for the LiveTrax cover. I like it.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 11:25 AM
With the way they've been releasing stuff over the past few years, I really wish they'd find shows that have more than 1 thing on it that hasn't seen a release before.

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 11:27 AM
With the way they've been releasing stuff over the past few years, I really wish they'd find shows that have more than 1 thing on it that hasn't seen a release before.

Well, most songs have been live released already. It's hard to find any show beyond the most recent tour that has more than 1 thing that wasn't released already. What they really should be doing is making better choices for the WH discs and bonus discs and giving us the remaining unreleased songs there.

raven
09-20-2010, 11:36 AM
Well, most songs have been live released already. It's hard to find any show beyond the most recent tour that has more than 1 thing that wasn't released already. What they really should be doing is making better choices for the WH discs and bonus discs and giving us the remaining unreleased songs there.
Yeah that's a good point. We aren't really going to get a show with a bunch of unreleased songs at this point. We don't have too many unreleased songs left (these are DMB songs not solo or Dave and Tim).. also these don't include covers. The list seems very short.. I feel like I'm missing some

Black Jack
Break for It
A Dream So Real
Kill the King
Me and Her
Once on a Wild Afternoon
People People
Sister (1994)

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 11:40 AM
Yeah that's a good point. We aren't really going to get a show with a bunch of unreleased songs at this point. We don't have too many unreleased songs left (these are DMB songs not solo or Dave and Tim).. also these don't include covers. The list seems very short.. I feel like I'm missing some

Black Jack
Break for It
A Dream So Real
Kill the King
Me and Her
Once on a Wild Afternoon
People People
Sister (1994)

Baby Blue
Sleep to Dream Her
Write a Song
Good Good Time

ThememanXX
09-20-2010, 11:42 AM
Black Jack
Break for It
A Dream So Real
Kill the King

Baby Blue
Sleep to Dream Her
Write a Song
Good Good Time

I'd love officially mixed versions of these.

JamSession v2.0
09-20-2010, 11:43 AM
Sleep to Dream Her


Given the sheer amount of stuff they've released, this one is surprising.

JamSession v2.0
09-20-2010, 11:44 AM
I'd love officially mixed versions of these.

Same for me, but I'd leave Black Jack off the table.

d.m.bfan222
09-20-2010, 11:46 AM
Look at the set scan for that show... originally planned 3 encores (or maybe perhaps just a choice of one of them, but when its been listed like that in the past, it was multiple encores). That last one is ugly (Sister, Bayou).

mja271
09-20-2010, 11:48 AM
regardless of whether or not this is what peeps wanted, thats a great looking show. I remember being very excited when I saw that setlist. One of the stronger ones on paper of 08 imo. And 08 was an awesome year, so I'm not too bent out of shape about this one.

d.m.bfan222
09-20-2010, 11:49 AM
Also, I think the show from two days earlier would have been a better release:

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056603&tid=101&where=2008

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 11:51 AM
Well, most songs have been live released already. It's hard to find any show beyond the most recent tour that has more than 1 thing that wasn't released already. What they really should be doing is making better choices for the WH discs and bonus discs and giving us the remaining unreleased songs there.

It's not even that. Of course I'd like songs that aren't released, that should be part of it. But also songs that we only have a certain version of. For instance, we don't have an 08 Sugar Will. There are alot of unique shows out there that should be released.

raven
09-20-2010, 12:05 PM
Baby Blue
Sleep to Dream Her
Write a Song
Good Good Time
ah yes good call

sdaltons
09-20-2010, 12:06 PM
Yeah that's a good point. We aren't really going to get a show with a bunch of unreleased songs at this point. We don't have too many unreleased songs left (these are DMB songs not solo or Dave and Tim).. also these don't include covers. The list seems very short.. I feel like I'm missing some

Black Jack
Break for It
A Dream So Real
Kill the King
Me and Her
Once on a Wild Afternoon
People People
Sister (1994)

Baby Blue
Sleep to Dream Her
Write a Song
Good Good Time

no full band squirm yet either

kitkat
09-20-2010, 12:12 PM
no full band squirm yet either

there is the europe dvd version.


what about needle and damage done? i'd like that one...

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 12:13 PM
there is the europe dvd version.


what about needle and damage done? i'd like that one...

I'm sure he meant CD.

I guess my biggest complaint is that this show is so similar to what we've seen and heard so heavily the past 3 years, that's all.

gweeps
09-20-2010, 12:13 PM
no full band squirm yet either
There's that one from the Europe DVD.

sdaltons
09-20-2010, 12:20 PM
i forgot about the europe dvd, but i never got a great rip of it

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 12:30 PM
I would have taken another 2001 show over this at this point..

what is the matter with you?

Yeah, the Say Goodbye alone is enough reason to want this.

seriously.

I would take 5 or 6 more 2008 releases before a 2001.

all day

It was just an extreme example to show how we do not need another 2008 release.

there are tons of great shows from that year and that probably includes this one. who gives a fuck that we have tons of shows from that tour? it was their best tour in years and still is so by all means just keep throwing great shows from that year at me.

Meh. It's difficult for me to get upset about this. They wanted to release a Brazil show, and this is far and away the best option.
who could possibly get upset at a set like this one?


With the way they've been releasing stuff over the past few years, I really wish they'd find shows that have more than 1 thing on it that hasn't seen a release before.

that's fucking impossible at this point.

Well, most songs have been live released already. It's hard to find any show beyond the most recent tour that has more than 1 thing that wasn't released already. What they really should be doing is making better choices for the WH discs and bonus discs and giving us the remaining unreleased songs there.

NiCK is being dumb lately.

It's not even that. Of course I'd like songs that aren't released, that should be part of it. But also songs that we only have a certain version of. For instance, we don't have an 08 Sugar Will. There are alot of unique shows out there that should be released.

we've already been over this, '08 sugar will's suck. stop being dumb.

MaLaKaS
09-20-2010, 12:30 PM
i forgot about the europe dvd, but i never got a great rip of it

Yea, is there a great audio rip of the Brixton DVD? I remember seeing one last year, but people were saying that it wasn't the best quality rip.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 12:31 PM
there's a great rip out there, mine sounds pretty fantastic. all i know is i got it at demonoid and it was one of the very first rips out there.

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 12:32 PM
we've already been over this, '08 sugar will's suck. stop being dumb.

Totally disagree. 7/9 and 8/30's versions are amazing.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 12:33 PM
Spence, we don't need another fucking 2008 show, no matter how good they were playing that year. Not yet anyway.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 12:34 PM
And, like I've said, there was alot of shows in 2008 that had stuff that has not been released before... this, however, is just more of the same.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 12:36 PM
Spence, we don't need another fucking 2008 show, no matter how good they were playing that year. Not yet anyway.

and why not? you can't say because there are other years we need shows from, because there are now 3 FUCKING WAYS THEY RELEASE SHOWS

with DMBlive, LiveTrax, and In Store releases this is in no way going to stall a potential great show from another year getting released. so just enjoy a great show from a great year being put out there for you and stop being a downer.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 12:37 PM
They should release an 08 show in 2011 too.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 12:38 PM
i really hate to break it to you guys, but unless they release a stacked September '00 show or a June '97 show every release is going to be "more of the same". that's just what happens when you have 50 releases out there. i've heard someone say that about every fucking show they've pu8 out in the last year. we have multiple versions of almost every song they have. it's time to start wishing for releases of all the random rarities and one off performances they have and just start enjoying a show with a solid set of solid songs, and that's exactly what this is.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 12:39 PM
They should release an 08 show in 2011 too.

i hope they do just so i can own your bitch ass in this argument again.

Jack
09-20-2010, 12:40 PM
this show isn't for us. Why is that so hard for people to get? There was absolutely no thought put into this from a US perspective. so, stop thinking about it from a 'we already have a bunch of '08's' or 'there's nothing exciting on this.' You're right, WE don't need another '08, and there is nothing exciting on it for US. But, it has nothing to do with us.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 12:42 PM
this show isn't for us. Why is that so hard for people to get? There was absolutely no thought put into this from a US perspective. so, stop thinking about it from a 'we already have a bunch of '08's' or 'there's nothing exciting on this.' You're right, WE don't need another '08, and there is nothing exciting on it for US. But, it has nothing to do with us.

If it ends up being a Live Trax like julio was saying it does. But yea, we'll see.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 12:43 PM
i hope they do just so i can own your bitch ass in this argument again.

You telling me that Sugar Will in 2008 sucked isn't owning me.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 12:44 PM
it did. spring '10 versions were MUCH better. i'd rather have one of those.

Crush87
09-20-2010, 12:44 PM
this show isn't for us. Why is that so hard for people to get? There was absolutely no thought put into this from a US perspective. so, stop thinking about it from a 'we already have a bunch of '08's' or 'there's nothing exciting on this.' You're right, WE don't need another '08, and there is nothing exciting on it for US. But, it has nothing to do with us.

This is pretty logical and even if I don't want an '08, this is prob the right way to view the release all around.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 12:44 PM
i really hate to break it to you guys, but unless they release a stacked September '00 show or a June '97 show every release is going to be "more of the same". that's just what happens when you have 50 releases out there. i've heard someone say that about every fucking show they've pu8 out in the last year. we have multiple versions of almost every song they have. it's time to start wishing for releases of all the random rarities and one off performances they have and just start enjoying a show with a solid set of solid songs, and that's exactly what this is.

While that is true, there are some songs that we have waay more than others. And that is avoidable.

Jack
09-20-2010, 12:45 PM
If it ends up being a Live Trax like julio was saying it does. But yea, we'll see.

no, that is a total after thought (it would be dumb not to at least have it as an option for US fans to buy from a business standpoint). Though, I am totally baffled as to why they wouldn't put it up just 'as is,' instead of making it up as a LT.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 12:47 PM
If it ends up being a Live Trax like julio was saying it does. But yea, we'll see.

my needs from DMB are very simple. when a show is released i just want it to have a good set with good songs that flow well together and are played well. this looks to have all that. why think or care about how many other shows from that tour we have or how many other versions of YMDT are out there? it's a good show (probably), that's all the matters, jesus.

would you get upset at another 96 release just because we already have 4 of them? of course not. stop being lame.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 12:48 PM
I'm sure the people of Brazil will be thrilled and they should be. I just got frustrated because we were littered with 08 shows in 08. Got two 09 shows in 09 (that were sold together) and we haven't even heard about a 2010 release.

gweeps
09-20-2010, 12:49 PM
I say give us some more 2004 shows in 2011. Maybe 6/23? 6/26? 7/16? 7/27? 7/29? 7/31? 8/8? 9/3? 9/16?

Man, they had great fucking encores in 2004.

Of course, we need more 1997s as well.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 12:49 PM
would you get upset at another 96 release just because we already have 4 of them? of course not. stop being lame.

this is the best argument you've thrown at me. But 2008 just happened, and we got a ton of it already. So it's a bit different. But I do understand.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 12:50 PM
I say give us some more 2004 shows. Maybe 6/23? 6/26? 7/16? 7/27? 7/29? 7/31? 8/8? 9/3? 9/16?

Man, they had great fucking encores in 2004.

2004 was the best tour of the decade in my eyes.

Jack
09-20-2010, 12:50 PM
I'm sure the people of Brazil will be thrilled and they should be. I just got frustrated because we were littered with 08 shows in 08. Got two 09 shows in 09 (that were sold together) and we haven't even heard about a 2010 release.

and kind of suck...

I am totally in agreement with you from a selfish standpoint, but I'm trying not to react that way.

gweeps
09-20-2010, 12:54 PM
2004 was the best tour of the decade in my eyes.For me it's a tie between 2004 and 2008.

wiebrod
09-20-2010, 12:55 PM
2004 was the best tour of the decade in my eyes.

Agreed, but I think 2008 is right there with it.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 12:59 PM
I'm sure the people of Brazil will be thrilled and they should be. I just got frustrated because we were littered with 08 shows in 08. Got two 09 shows in 09 (that were sold together) and we haven't even heard about a 2010 release.

i'm baffled by the lack of releases from these past two tours as well, but it's silly to get upset and turn your nose up at a great show just because it's from a cluttered year.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:01 PM
set wise, '04 and '08 are equal. but '04 had Butch and the cheesy jazz sound with slow tempo's, and '08 had tim fuckin' reynolds and kick ass rock and roll. no brainer for me.

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 01:03 PM
Also, I think the show from two days earlier would have been a better release:

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056603&tid=101&where=2008

The two About Us shows were not recorded by the band, only by the festival, so they don't have the separate tracks.

toomanychoices
09-20-2010, 01:03 PM
no full band squirm yet either

Unless you don't count the rip of the audio from the Europe 09 Dvd :)

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:04 PM
south american crowds are insane, i hope they're mixed nice and loud

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:05 PM
Squirm was on the Europe 09 DVD

ThememanXX
09-20-2010, 01:23 PM
Okay, since this is turning into a "what do we need" discussion....how about ONE show per year that you'd like to see as a LiveTrax since 1998....?

May 29, 1998 - New World Music Theatre in Tinley Park, IL
Don't Drink the Water
The Last Stop
One Sweet World
Lie in Our Graves
So Much to Say :segue
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Too Much
Crush
LeRoi solo :segue
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel
Two Step
#41
Pig
The Dreaming Tree
Jimi Thing
Stay (Wasting Time)
____________

Crash Into Me
Ants Marching

May 26, 1999 - Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ
One Sweet World
Jimi Thing
Stay (Wasting Time)
Heartbeat Intro :segue
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel
Recently
Granny
Say Goodbye
What Would You Say
John the Revelator
Love of My Life
So Much to Say
True Reflections
Two Step
All Along the Watchtower
______________

#40 [tease] :segue
Ants Marching

guests include The Lovely Ladies, Béla Fleck, Benny Rietveld, Butch Taylor, Carlos Santana, Chester Thompson, Karl Perazzo

July 13, 2000 - Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ
Seek Up :segue
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel
Rhyme & Reason :segue
Bartender
Dancing Nancies
The Best of What's Around
Raven
Crush
JTR
Stay (Wasting Time)
All Along the Watchtower
Lover Lay Down
Grey Street
Sweet Up and Down
Tripping Billies
______________

Grace Is Gone
Ants Marching

July 25, 2001 - AmSouth Amphitheatre in Antioch, TN

Tripping Billies
When the World Ends
So Much to Say :segue
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Too Much
Big Eyed Fish :segue
Bartender
So Right
Sleep to Dream Her :segue
Grace Is Gone
Captain [partial]
#41
Don't Drink the Water
Digging a Ditch
I Did It
Angel
Fool to Think
JTR
Stay (Wasting Time)
______________

#40 [partial] :segue
Funny How Time Slips Away
The Space Between :segue
All Along the Watchtower

December 21, 2002 - Madison Square Garden in New York, NYDrive In Drive Out
Granny
Christmas Time Is Here [tease]
Pig
What Would You Say
Grey Street
Fool to Think
Loving Wings [partial] :segue
Where Are You Going :segue
Seek Up
Digging a Ditch
All Along the Watchtower
Grace Is Gone
The Space Between
So Much to Say :segue
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Too Much
Get Up (I Feel Like Being A) Sex Machine
_____________

Halloween :segue
Ants Marching

July 30, 2003 - Sleep Train Amphitheatre in Wheatland, CA
Best of What's Around
Warehouse
Rhyme & Reason
Spoon
Pig
Kit Kat Jam
Sleep to Dream Her :segue
What Would You Say
Improv Jam
Jimi Thing
Crash Into Me :segue
Minarets
Grace Is Gone
The Dreaming Tree
So Much to Say :segue
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel
_______________

Digging a Ditch
All Along the Watchtower

July 10, 2004 - Hersheypark Stadium in Hershey, PA
Warehouse
One Sweet World
The Song That Jane Likes :segue
Sugar Will :segue
The Stone
The Space Between
Lie in Our Graves :segue
Hello Again
Rhyme & Reason :segue
Good Good Time
Grey Street
What Would You Say
Improv Jam :segue
Crazy Easy
When the World Ends
Jimi Thing
Where Are You Going
Joyride
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel
____________

Prelude :segue
Ants Marching

July 9, 2005 - Tweeter Center for the Performing Arts in Mansfield, MA
Everyday
Dreamgirl :segue
Don't Drink the Water
Drive In Drive Out
#34
Say Goodbye
Time of the Season
Hunger for the Great Light
You Might Die Trying
Lie in Our Graves
Steady As We Go
Stand Up
Crush
American Baby
What You Are
______________

Old Dirt Hill
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel

June 14, 2006 - Darien Lake Performing Arts Center in Darien Center, NY
One Sweet World
JTR
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel
Hunger for the Great Light
Crash Into Me
Lively Up Yourself [tease]
Raven
Lie in Our Graves
Joyride
Can't Stop [tease] :segue
Crush
Warehouse
Break Free
Everyday
Ants Marching
____________

Sister
Kill the King
Two Step

September 14, 2007 - Sound Advice Amphitheatre in West Palm Beach, FL
A Dream So Real
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel
Everyday
Loving Wings
The Song That Jane Likes
Corn Bread
Eh Hee
Crush
Sister
If I Had It All
Sweet Up and Down
Grey Street
Shotgun
Dancing Nancies
So Much to Say :segue
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Too Much
______________

Gravedigger
Louisiana Bayou :segue
Ants Marching

July 11, 2008 - Cruzan Amphitheatre in West Palm Beach, FL
Seek Up
Proudest Monkey :segue
Satellite
Corn Bread
Sledgehammer
Stay (Wasting Time)
Out of My Hands
You Might Die Trying
Drive In Drive Out
Sugar Will
#41 :segue
Everyday
Jimi Thing
Grey Street :segue
Ants Marching
____________

So Damn Lucky :segue
Two Step

June 19 and 20, 2009 - Post-Gazette Pavilion in Burgettstown, PA
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel
Granny
Stay or Leave
Shake Me Like a Monkey
Spaceman :segue
Corn Bread
Seven
#41
Crash Into Me
Funny the Way It Is
Lying in the Hands of God
So Much to Say :segue
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Too Much [fake] :segue
Tripping Billies
Why I Am
Jimi Thing
Alligator Pie
You & Me
Grey Street
____________

Sister
All Along the Watchtower


Bartender
Squirm
Pig
Dive In
Burning Down the House
The Stone
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Too Much [fake] :segue
Ants Marching
#40 [partial]
The Dreaming Tree
Why I Am
Funny the Way It Is
Typical Situation
Shake Me Like a Monkey
Crush
The Song That Jane Likes
You & Me :segue
Two Step
____________

Rye Whiskey
Time Bomb :segue
Halloween

July 14, 2010 - Toyota Pavilion at Montage Mountain in Scranton, PA
The Stone :segue
Warehouse
Grace Is Gone
Seven
You Might Die Trying
Tripping Billies
Cry Freedom
Lying in the Hands of God :segue
Gravedigger
One Sweet World
Improv Jam
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel
Why I Am
Busted Stuff
#41
Shake Me Like a Monkey
Two Step
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Digging a Ditch [tease] :segue
You & Me
So Damn Lucky

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:25 PM
wow, that is way too much work.

wiebrod
09-20-2010, 01:26 PM
set wise, '04 and '08 are equal. but '04 had Butch and the cheesy jazz sound with slow tempo's, and '08 had tim fuckin' reynolds and kick ass rock and roll. no brainer for me.

Agreed in some points, but the Sugar Wills, Crazy-Easy (if you like them), Hello Again, Good Good Time help move the pendelum for some people.

batleon
09-20-2010, 01:27 PM
Full blown trainwreck in here. I love new release news :lol

AndyB
09-20-2010, 01:27 PM
Spence, we don't need another fucking 2008 show, no matter how good they were playing that year. Not yet anyway.

and why not? you can't say because there are other years we need shows from, because there are now 3 FUCKING WAYS THEY RELEASE SHOWS

with DMBlive, LiveTrax, and In Store releases this is in no way going to stall a potential great show from another year getting released. so just enjoy a great show from a great year being put out there for you and stop being a downer.

Exactly. Nick is acting like it's this or another show, rather than the reality that it's this or nothing.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:27 PM
Agreed in some points, but the Sugar Wills, Crazy-Easy (if you like them), Hello Again, Good Good Time help move the pendelum for some people.

for sure. that jazz sound worked well for sugar will and crazy-easy but they were still doing almost 20 minute bartenders with crappy butch solo's and stuff like that.

really great tour overall, but 2008 is better.

wiebrod
09-20-2010, 01:30 PM
Exactly. Nick is acting like it's this or another show, rather than the reality that it's this or nothing.

Good point, I have no problem with a release. Is there others I would take over it, sure, but it's better then not having one. However, I don't think it's a problem if Nick doesn't want this released, he doesn't have to buy it if he doesn't want.

AndyB
09-20-2010, 01:31 PM
Good point, I have no problem with a release. Is there others I would take over it, sure, but it's better then not having one. However, I don't think it's a problem if Nick doesn't want this released, he doesn't have to buy it if he doesn't want.

True, but he doesn't have to whine about it either and actively campaign against it.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:32 PM
Wait, so we don't have to buy this?

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:32 PM
he's whining about it because he knows he is going to buy it no matter what.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:32 PM
Wait, so we don't have to buy this?

no, but you will.

Jack
09-20-2010, 01:32 PM
Okay, since this is turning into a "what do we need" discussion....how about ONE show per year that you'd like to see as a LiveTrax since 1998....?

yea, do that in another thread if you want to. This is dedicated to the discussion of this release. We don't need to be gumming it up with multiquotes and unspoiled setlists of shows people want released.

Jack
09-20-2010, 01:32 PM
no, but you will.

contractual obligation.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:33 PM
:lol

Popeye2003
09-20-2010, 01:33 PM
Look at the set scan for that show... originally planned 3 encores (or maybe perhaps just a choice of one of them, but when its been listed like that in the past, it was multiple encores). That last one is ugly (Sister, Bayou).
It was 3 choices.

Also, I think the show from two days earlier would have been a better release:

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056603&tid=101&where=2008
That show was great, but what they did in Rio was something from another world.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:33 PM
Andy, I generally support releases... and the second I don't I get blasted. My reasons for not being excited for this are completely reasonable.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:34 PM
That show was great, but what they did in Rio was something from another world.

now we're talkin'

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:35 PM
contractual obligation.

My extension is currently pending, so this may be my only chance not to buy.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:35 PM
Andy, I generally support releases... and the second I don't I get blasted. My reasons for not being excited for this are completely reasonable.

you don't have to be excited about it, you're right that is reasonable. but you're not just acting indifferent to this, you're acting like it's a shitty choice which it is not. and that opinion is not reasonable.

Jack
09-20-2010, 01:35 PM
Andy, I generally support releases... and the second I don't I get blasted. My reasons for not being excited for this are completely reasonable.

kind of the same way you bashed people who felt badly about Europe '09 being released.

Jack
09-20-2010, 01:36 PM
My extension is currently pending, so this may be my only chance not to buy.

show coran some updated MT Warehouse Store order conf#s and he may just send a copy to you gratis. He's not going to let you just walk.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:37 PM
kind of the same way you bashed people who felt badly about Europe '09 being released.

I don't understand... so because I'm generally pretty positive I can never not be?

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:37 PM
And the Europe 09 release made more sense than this.

Jack
09-20-2010, 01:38 PM
I don't understand... so because I'm always pretty positive I can never not be?

you're taking this way too far/personal.

I have said several times I feel exactly the same way you do. You're not being bashed about anything by anyone except Dissident, and he, well, may be the only person around here more positive than you. He just hides it well.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:39 PM
And the Europe 09 release made more sense than this.

...what?

i'm not saying europe '09 didn't make sense. it did. but how the hell is there any confusion or wonder about why they're releasing this show? it's obvious and a smart move.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:40 PM
you don't have to be excited about it, you're right that is reasonable. but you're not just acting indifferent to this, you're acting like it's a shitty choice which it is not. and that opinion is not reasonable.

It's unnecessary, not shitty.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:40 PM
you're taking this way too far/personal.

I have said several times I feel exactly the same way you do. You're not being bashed about anything by anyone except Dissident, and he, well, may be the only person around here more positive than you. He just hides it well.

i'm not bashing him, i just don't understand him on this one.

i'm not over the moon about this release, but i bet it's going to be a great listen and i just don't get where he's coming from.

Jack
09-20-2010, 01:40 PM
And the Europe 09 release made more sense than this.

HOW DOES THIS RELEASE NOT MAKE PERFECT SENSE? Did you not notice the .br suffix on the end of the link you posted? This is actually pretty similar to Europe '09. I'm just guessing they learned a little from that total blunder.

batleon
09-20-2010, 01:41 PM
Yeah this really is just like the Europe '09 thread, only in reverse.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:41 PM
...what?

i'm not saying europe '09 didn't make sense. it did. but how the hell is there any confusion or wonder about why they're releasing this show? it's obvious and a smart move.

It makes sense from the Brazil standpoint. Fine.. but again, it comes down to the year 2008. If anything they could have planned for the 2010 Rio show to be released and it would have served the same purpose.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:41 PM
It's unnecessary, not shitty.


i'd say releasing a show from their last South American tour to support their upcoming one, while maybe not "necessary", is certainly reasonable and understanding and a good move.

further more, it is even smarter for them to later release the show in the U.S. when it's already mixed and ready to go.

this is a no brainer dude.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:42 PM
HOW DOES THIS RELEASE NOT MAKE PERFECT SENSE? Did you not notice the .br suffix on the end of the link you posted? This is actually pretty similar to Europe '09. I'm just guessing they learned a little from that total blunder.

Read my post shortly after this one... it makes sense for Rio, I've never argued against that.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:42 PM
If anything they could have planned for the 2010 Rio show to be released and it would have served the same purpose.

christ, you really don't get it. that would defeat the whole purpose of why they're releasing this in the first place.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:43 PM
Yeah this really is just like the Europe '09 thread, only in reverse.

So you guys are truly as excited for this as you were pissed about Europe 09?

Popeye2003
09-20-2010, 01:44 PM
I, for one, cannot wait to listen to this concert again. I've been waiting for two years for this.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:45 PM
So you guys are truly as excited for this as you were pissed about Europe 09?

i personally feel exactly the same way about this as i did europe 09. i'm not ecstatic about it, but i'm looking forward to it.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:45 PM
further more, it is even smarter for them to later release the show in the U.S. when it's already mixed and ready to go.

.

it doesnt need to be a seperate thing though... just give the US the option to buy

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:46 PM
I, for one, cannont wait to listen to this concert again. I've been waiting for two years for this.

:upyours

good for you getting a rare show in your area that you attended released.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 01:47 PM
it doesnt need to be a seperate thing though... just give the US the option to buy

who gives a shit whether it's released here at the same time or not? why does that matter?

we can all get our hands on this for free when it's released down there anyway.

batleon
09-20-2010, 01:49 PM
I feel about the same as I did for Europe, it makes sense, but it doesn't appeal to me. That being said the Europe package and the cost made it an easy decision for me not to buy something I wasn't that excited for. This at least I might get if the reviews are positive because there won't be a prohibitive price attached to it.

Jack
09-20-2010, 01:57 PM
So you guys are truly as excited for this as you were pissed about Europe 09?

have you read anything anyone has written in this thread? Who is really excited for this release? No one else is whining about it because we understand the purpose of it.

If Ford markets a truck do you complain because you want a sports car?

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 01:59 PM
Jack, I understand, but bat said that this thread was the opposite of the Europe 09 thread, so I just sarcastically responding to that.

Jack
09-20-2010, 02:00 PM
I feel about the same as I did for Europe, it makes sense, but it doesn't appeal to me. That being said the Europe package and the cost made it an easy decision for me not to buy something I wasn't that excited for. This at least I might get if the reviews are positive because there won't be a prohibitive price attached to it.

the euro release may have made some sense, but it was totally mismanaged and marketed. And, as a result sold very poorly. I'm sure this will be a home run for them in .br, even if not in NiCK's bedroom.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 02:02 PM
And while I'm being accused of not reading anything anyone has written in this thread, then some of you have done the same when you've missed the times I've said this is good for Rio. Bottom line: i was disappointed that the next release would be from 08 again, that is all.

SonofSuns34
09-20-2010, 02:07 PM
good read

http://www.thesedayscontinue.org/showthread.php?t=200374

lots of people were excited for this after it happened and wanted it to be released.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 02:07 PM
And while I'm being accused of not reading anything anyone has written in this thread, then some of you have done the same when you've missed the times I've said this is good for Rio. Bottom line: i was disappointed that the next release would be from 08 again, that is all.

i understand what you mean, but it's going to be a blip of an afterthought release over here so there's no reason to get your panties in a bunch over this just because it's another 08 show. it's not standing in the way of anything else and you don't have to buy it, that is all.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 02:10 PM
good read

http://www.thesedayscontinue.org/showthread.php?t=200374

lots of people were excited for this after it happened and wanted it to be released.

yeah this is probably going to be awesome :upyours

Jack
09-20-2010, 02:10 PM
i understand what you mean, but it's going to be a blip of an afterthought release over here so there's no reason to get your panties in a bunch over this just because it's another 08 show. it's not standing in the way of anything else and you don't have to buy it, that is all.

exactly, and just to further the point, when I found out about this I almost made a thread about it, then, I didn't because I decided it would be better to let the Brazil kids do it because this is their release.

batleon
09-20-2010, 02:11 PM
the euro release may have made some sense, but it was totally mismanaged and marketed. And, as a result sold very poorly. I'm sure this will be a home run for them in .br, even if not in NiCK's bedroom.

That was my major complaint about Europe. If I could have just bought the DVD, I would have.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 02:12 PM
i may be uber-positive about the actual band and the music they perform. but their management and business side is an absolute joke and i won't ever deny that.

JamSession v2.0
09-20-2010, 02:15 PM
Offseason and off-year is going to kill this board.

Jack
09-20-2010, 02:19 PM
That was my major complaint about Europe. If I could have just bought the Blu-ray, I would have.

fixed.

but, I digress, there were a million things done beyond stupidly with that disaster.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 02:19 PM
Offseason and off-year is going to kill this board.

I actually feel like there could be quite a bit to talk about in 2011.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 02:21 PM
fixed.

but, I digress, there were a million things done beyond stupidly with that disaster.

The lack of Blu-ray option for that was unbelievable.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 02:23 PM
I actually feel like there could be quite a bit to talk about in 2011.

there will be a lot of releases to discuss for sure, but at this point it all goes the same way. even LT18 which is an objectively awesome show had trolls in there saying shit like "what's the big deal about this show?"

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 02:24 PM
there will be a lot of releases to discuss for sure, but at this point it all goes the same way. even LT18 which is an objectively awesome show had trolls in there saying shit like "what's the big deal about this show?"

Well that's gonna always happen. I do hope nobody thinks I'm being a troll in regards to this Rio release though.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 02:27 PM
Well that's gonna always happen. I do hope nobody thinks I'm being a troll in regards to this Rio release though.

not at all. you know you're one of the few people here that i actually respect and don't think is a complete buffoon. i just think you're being unreasonable about them releasing this over here when it's just a drop in the bucket of a shitload of releases that we get now.

bigtrain21
09-20-2010, 02:27 PM
I, for one, cannot wait to listen to this concert again. I've been waiting for two years for this.


I can't wait either. I remember for a few months after the show after watching quite a few youtube videos and remembering the fan reaction from the show hoping this would be a show they would pick for a release.

batleon
09-20-2010, 02:38 PM
Yeah no offense Nick, I disagree with you here, but you're no troll.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 02:40 PM
:upyours

SeekUpAB
09-20-2010, 02:42 PM
Seems pretty lame that I have to preface my opinion by saying I'm not a troll, but this release doesn't really do anything for me. I remember when this show happened everyone wanted it, but looking at the set now it's nothing outstanding. I'll still buy it but I'm not eagerly awaiting it.

Welsh
09-20-2010, 02:53 PM
Seems pretty lame that I have to preface my opinion by saying I'm not a troll, but this release doesn't really do anything for me. I remember when this show happened everyone wanted it, but looking at the set now it's nothing outstanding. I'll still buy it but I'm not eagerly awaiting it.

.

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 03:09 PM
After re-watching this video, I'm excited for the release.

vf_Vz3OiGpk

Crowd also apparently sings the first two verses of Jimi.

batleon
09-20-2010, 03:14 PM
Maybe I need to redo this
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3373/epicfaildmbeurope.jpg

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 03:21 PM
Maybe I need to redo this
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3373/epicfaildmbeurope.jpg

:lol

Despite the edits and Lucca not being the best show, I still think the DVD is awesome.

batleon
09-20-2010, 03:22 PM
:lol

Despite the edits and Lucca not being the best show, I still think the DVD is awesome.

If I could have just bought the DVD, I would have.

.

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 03:24 PM
Yeah. The DVD should have been sold alone, on DVD and Blu-Ray. It probably would have sold better too.

batleon
09-20-2010, 03:25 PM
Yeah. The DVD should have been sold alone, on DVD and Blu-Ray. It probably would have sold better too.

Yep. Rare Cap$haw profit error. He learns from his mistakes though. Section 7 got shut down quickly enough. $7 Live Trax? Cut that shit out.

Popeye2003
09-20-2010, 03:26 PM
I wish they would have released some video of this in some format, because the white balloons in #41 were great, though mistimed. And hopefully they can filter the noise of the crowd blowing up the balloons.

Mersh
09-20-2010, 03:29 PM
I'll pass on this one.

Mersh
09-20-2010, 03:36 PM
Offseason and off-year is going to kill this board.

eh, I don't think it'll get worse...on certain fronts it can't.

batleon
09-20-2010, 03:46 PM
eh, I don't think it'll get worse...on certain fronts it can't.

Famous last words Mersh.

d.m.bfan222
09-20-2010, 04:21 PM
:lol

Despite the edits and Lucca not being the best show, I still think the DVD is awesome.

I don't think Lucca is that bad of a release (longest show of all time along with some nice performances), but maybe I'm biased because I was there.

But, I still agree they should have sold both separately (perhaps Lucca even as a DMBLive release?) and put a BluRay out.

Jack
09-20-2010, 04:32 PM
I don't think Lucca is that bad of a release (longest show of all time along with some nice performances), but maybe I'm biased because I was there.

But, I still agree they should have sold both separately (perhaps Lucca even as a DMBLive release?) and put a BluRay out.

and definitely not cut out the MJ tribute :downyours

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 04:37 PM
Here's the cover art:
http://www.dmbrasil.net/image/liveinrio.jpg

I thought the track listing would be available today, too, but it isn't.

Here's a snippet of Grey Street:
BZCjl2yQLiE

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 04:38 PM
Very cool art

Jack
09-20-2010, 04:39 PM
love that cover. The colors and the font are awesome.

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 04:40 PM
I don't know why it never works when I try to post a youtube video here!

Jack
09-20-2010, 04:41 PM
I don't know why it never works when I try to post a youtube video here!

I'll fix it for you.

You only put the string of numbers in there to the right of the =.

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 04:42 PM
I'll fix it for you.

You only put the string of numbers in there to the right of the =.

Thanks, Jack!

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 04:48 PM
wow, that cover is awesome.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 04:49 PM
that mix sounds great too. tim and dave are both balanced and come through.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 04:51 PM
so that clip said September 25 right? that's a saturday, that can't be the release date even in south america.

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 04:54 PM
so that clip said September 25 right? that's a saturday, that can't be the release date even in south america.

:lol

We don't have a fixed weekday for the releases, like you do in the US.

I've seen CDs get to stores on Saturdays before, but I think most we'll have it on the next week -- exactly the week I'll be in the US! :( There's one store announcing it for the 30th. http://www.livrariacultura.com.br/scripts/musica/resenha/resenha.asp?nitem=3251099&sid=18963219212625502792528011&k5=2DF9AC8A&uid=

gweeps
09-20-2010, 04:54 PM
Fitting the cover only shows the 4 of them.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 04:56 PM
:lol

We don't have a fixed weekday for the releases, like you do in the US.

I've seen CDs get to stores on Saturdays before, but I think most we'll have it on the next week -- exactly the week I'll be in the US! :( There's one store announcing it for the 30th. http://www.livrariacultura.com.br/scripts/musica/resenha/resenha.asp?nitem=3251099&sid=18963219212625502792528011&k5=2DF9AC8A&uid=

gotcha, thanks for the clarification.

i gotta say i think i'm mainly excited that we get a new show so soon with barely a wait time between the announcement and release. wish they'd do it this way more often.

gweeps
09-20-2010, 04:57 PM
that mix sounds great too. tim and dave are both balanced and come through.I don't care what people say about Grey Street; since 2008 the song has gained a ton of muscle.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 04:57 PM
Fitting the cover only shows the 4 of them.

nice touch i guess, but i'm glad that they're including the other guys in most of the newer publicity shots and stuff.

NiCK Crush
09-20-2010, 04:57 PM
Fitting the cover only shows the 4 of them.

:upyours

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 04:58 PM
I don't care what people say about Grey Street; since 2008 the song has gained a ton of muscle.

3rd verse missing aside, i genuinely feel the whole "it's lost it's passion" thing is complete bullshit and just some people's way of saying "i'm tired of it".

gweeps
09-20-2010, 05:02 PM
3rd verse missing aside, i genuinely feel the whole "it's lost it's passion" thing is complete bullshit and just some people's way of saying "i'm tired of it".I agree and sympathize.

snyddogg430
09-20-2010, 05:18 PM
They going to dub it in Spanish? Would be great to hear Telemundo Dave.

Mersh
09-20-2010, 05:21 PM
Then they could have portuguese subtitles to translate the Spanish.

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 05:21 PM
They going to dub it in Spanish? Would be great to hear Telemundo Dave.

Why Spanish if we speak Portuguese? ;)

SonofSuns34
09-20-2010, 05:27 PM
Looking forward to this, especially since it is coming out this week...

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 05:31 PM
They going to dub it in Spanish? Would be great to hear Telemundo Dave.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8940/fuknowm0.gif

SonofSuns34
09-20-2010, 05:38 PM
Hey, at least he didnt say "are they going to dub it in Mexican"

malachite00
09-20-2010, 05:58 PM
Very cool cover. Total girlish comment, but I wish Dave would go back to wearing the red t-shirt instead of the long-sleeved button downs he's had for the last 2 years. :)

SeekUpAB
09-20-2010, 06:33 PM
Gotta admit I like the mix on that Grey Street clip, sounds good. Cool cover art too.

Poth Ead
09-20-2010, 06:51 PM
Looking forward to this, especially since it is coming out this week...
this week???? Ok... cool :smoke I love live releases with short notice

Poth Ead
09-20-2010, 06:56 PM
wow. the mix sounds fuckin superb :upyours

AndyB
09-20-2010, 06:59 PM
They going to dub it in Spanish? Would be great to hear Telemundo Dave.

How does this still happen? It's 2010.

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 07:01 PM
Sounds good! It'll be great to have a sbd of Coffin tearing up The Stone finally.

bigtrain21
09-20-2010, 07:05 PM
Sounds good! It'll be great to have a sbd of Coffin tearing up The Stone finally.


I am looking forward to the first sbd full band Stay or Leave as well besides the D&F version. We almost had one for the Alpine release but Night 2 got taken away.

Poth Ead
09-20-2010, 07:30 PM
Sounds good! It'll be great to have a sbd of Coffin tearing up The Stone finally.
i am interested in hearing a few of these versions with Coffin.. esp. Say Bye and The Stone. I remember reading a review talking about the awesome job Jeff did on the flute for Say Bye during this particular performance

Tambourine Man
09-20-2010, 07:30 PM
UrP2R-GwvGA

:lol :lol :lol :lol

I also feel sorry for all the guys here...when they meet their first brasileira and think she speaks spanish :lol :lol

AndyB
09-20-2010, 07:36 PM
i am interested in hearing a few of these versions with Coffin.. esp. Say Bye and The Stone. I remember reading a review talking about the awesome job Jeff did on the flute for Say Bye during this particular performance

There was a guest on the flute. I assume Coffin still played flute anyway, but maybe they were talking about the other guy.

AndyB
09-20-2010, 07:37 PM
UrP2R-GwvGA

:lol :lol :lol :lol

I also feel sorry for all the guys here...when they meet their first brasileira and think she speaks spanish :lol :lol

:lol Tim

Poth Ead
09-20-2010, 07:39 PM
There was a guest on the flute. I assume Coffin still played flute anyway, but maybe they were talking about the other guy.
true this

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 07:40 PM
UrP2R-GwvGA

:lol :lol :lol :lol

I also feel sorry for all the guys here...when they meet their first brasileira and think she speaks spanish :lol :lol

:lol Buncha goofs.

Mitch
09-20-2010, 07:44 PM
This looks like it should be pretty good. Great setlist and 2008 was a good year. I'll take as many releases as they want to put out.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 08:12 PM
UrP2R-GwvGA



dave :lol

tim is still the strangest dude.

trippinbillyrmc
09-20-2010, 08:13 PM
I must say after watching that video, I would rather save money for a concert in Brazil than say the Gorge or Wrigley. Yes the crowd was probably loud and the band might have been a bit difficult to hear at times but the atmosphere looked pretty fucking awesome.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 08:13 PM
i'm much more excited about the wrigley SoL than this one though. the full band version was a shell of what it became in 2010

Mitch
09-20-2010, 08:25 PM
i'm much more excited about the wrigley SoL than this one though. the full band version was a shell of what it became in 2010

I agree. 2010 is when SoL finally grew on me as a full band tune.

I'm trying to remember '08 Stone, if Jeff was tearing that up like he was in 2010.

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 08:29 PM
I agree. 2010 is when SoL finally grew on me as a full band tune.

I'm trying to remember '08 Stone, if Jeff was tearing that up like he was in 2010.

He definitely was, if not moreso. Check out his debut performance as DMB's new sax player on 7/1/08.

Mitch
09-20-2010, 08:33 PM
He definitely was, if not moreso. Check out his debut performance as DMB's new sax player on 7/1/08.

Cool. :upyours

dmb448
09-20-2010, 08:35 PM
So when will this be released in the States?

Crush87
09-20-2010, 08:38 PM
I agree. 2010 is when SoL finally grew on me as a full band tune.

I'm trying to remember '08 Stone, if Jeff was tearing that up like he was in 2010.

7/1/08 will probably always be a top 10 if not top 5 for that song

willndmb
09-20-2010, 08:50 PM
It will be released in Brazil as a 2-disc album and later in the US as a full-concert Live Trax.

???
are you saying the "2 disc album" would be different then the "full concert"

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 08:52 PM
???
are you saying the "2 disc album" would be different then the "full concert"

this is confusing me as well. it doesn't look like an exceptionally long show and i'd think it would fit on two discs.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 08:53 PM
7/1/08 will probably always be a top 10 if not top 5 for that song

i made the decision after hearing that performance the day after that show that i would never not love what jeff does with this band.

willndmb
09-20-2010, 08:55 PM
Also, I think the show from two days earlier would have been a better release:

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056603&tid=101&where=2008

agreed 100%
thats the best show of the yr imo

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 09:02 PM
this is confusing me as well. it doesn't look like an exceptionally long show and i'd think it would fit on two discs.

The show lasted about 3 hours. Sony, however, decided a 3-disc album would not sell well and decided to make it 2 discs.

MaLaKaS
09-20-2010, 09:05 PM
The show lasted about 3 hours. Sony, however, decided a 3-disc album would not sell well and decided to make it 2 discs.

So they are gonna cut songs out? I def wouldn't wanna purchase this early after hearing this.

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 09:08 PM
So they are gonna cut songs out? I def wouldn't wanna purchase this early after hearing this.

Apparently, two songs will be cut from this in-store release, but the full concert will be released as Live Trax.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 09:09 PM
i won't be purchasing this anyway so it doesn't bother me. i'll just enjoy the condensed version until we get the full one over here.

i do think it's funny/sad that they're kind of fucking you guys over on that though. i'm pretty sure any other band would do the opposite and give you guys the full show and give us the smaller version.

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 09:10 PM
Apparently, two songs will be cut from this in-store release, but the full concert will be released as Live Trax.

fingers crossed it's satellite and YMDT

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 09:11 PM
fingers crossed it's satellite and YMDT

I think you got one song right! :)

MaLaKaS
09-20-2010, 09:11 PM
i won't be purchasing this anyway so it doesn't bother me. i'll just enjoy the condensed version until we get the full one over here.

i do think it's funny/sad that they're kind of fucking you guys over on that though. i'm pretty sure any other band would do the opposite and give you guys the full show and give us the smaller version.

:upyours

fingers crossed it's satellite and YMDT

I'm hoping one of them is "Jimi Thing".

FiddySpence
09-20-2010, 09:12 PM
if the other one is the stone or say goodbye that's fucked up.

julio_havok
09-20-2010, 09:12 PM
:upyours

I'm hoping one of them is "Jimi Thing".

I wanna have Jimi on disc, because I decided to go get a drink during it! :lol

Tomacco
09-20-2010, 09:15 PM
Ugh they better not cut The Stone or SoL.

jonkoch
09-20-2010, 11:47 PM
i'm still amused by the fact this show had 3 potential encores...and they went with none of the ones they planned lol

Billy'sTV
09-21-2010, 12:40 AM
late

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 01:12 AM
been posted

raven
09-21-2010, 10:14 AM
I say give us some more 2004 shows in 2011.

Of course, we need more 1997s as well.
:upyours:upyours either would be nice

NiCK Crush
09-21-2010, 10:14 AM
7.10.04

dmb448
09-21-2010, 10:21 AM
So when will dmb make the official announcement of this thing? I'm excited to hear this!

Crush87
09-21-2010, 10:24 AM
7.10.04

I'd be happy with this.

batleon
09-21-2010, 10:25 AM
Yeah if next year turns into a big release year I'd like to see another '04, a September '00, an early '97, more D+T, 12/3 and 7/98, maybe a good '03 show.

But I'm not convinced we'll be seeing a ton of extra releases next year. The most we've ever gotten in a year was in '08 when dmblive first opened and I can't see them putting more than that out in a year.

ThememanXX
09-21-2010, 10:26 AM
7.10.04

DO WANT.

Tomacco
09-21-2010, 10:26 AM
I wish they'd start releasing DMBLive shows beyond 1996. People who wanted old shows really have nothing to complain about anymore when you look at all the old stuff released in the last couple years.

julio_havok
09-21-2010, 10:27 AM
So when will dmb make the official announcement of this thing? I'm excited to hear this!

I don't think it will be announced by DMB, because it will be released only in Brazil for now.

Crush87
09-21-2010, 10:30 AM
I wish they'd start releasing DMBLive shows beyond 1996. People who wanted old shows really have nothing to complain about anymore when you look at all the old stuff released in the last couple years.

Live Trax was initially thought of as an archival thing. Now it is not. To want another series to turn into an "anything goes" type thing would be foolish IMO. DMBLive is the perfect way to pump out older shows. Not that old shows only include '91-'96 but I'd be happy sticking with the '90's

Tomacco
09-21-2010, 10:35 AM
Live Trax was initially thought of as an archival thing. Now it is not. To want another series to turn into an "anything goes" type thing would be foolish IMO. DMBLive is the perfect way to pump out older shows. Not that old shows only include '91-'96 but I'd be happy sticking with the '90's

Well, then they should lay off of all the old shows in the LiveTrax series then. Lately both have just been putting out old shows only. If DMBLive only releases old shows and LT continues to release lots of 94-00 shows, we're left with a disproportionate amount of old shows vs newer.

Crush87
09-21-2010, 10:37 AM
Well, then they should lay off of all the old shows in the LiveTrax series then. Lately both have just been putting out old shows only. If DMBLive only releases old shows and LT continues to release lots of 94-00 shows, we're left with a disproportionate amount of old shows vs newer.

:lol With the amount of crap they pump out based on venue I don't see that ever being true and even if it were it's a good thing. LT will always be best suited for more marketably shows whether they're older or more current. I'm fine with them going either way especially now that we have DMBLive to be more of a niche series aimed at the older fanbase.

Tomacco
09-21-2010, 10:53 AM
:lol With the amount of crap they pump out based on venue I don't see that ever being true and even if it were it's a good thing. LT will always be best suited for more marketably shows whether they're older or more current. I'm fine with them going either way especially now that we have DMBLive to be more of a niche series aimed at the older fanbase.

Meh. The whole "LT shouldn't be based on big venue shows" thing is overblown. Four out of eighteen LT's were done that way. What they have not done is picked enough quality 2001-2009 shows based on quality (LT8, LT10, and LT14 are the only more modern shows released without 'big venue' in mind). That's what I want. They keep doing it for 90's shows in LT and DMBLive, but not for the past decade, and it's annoying.

willndmb
09-21-2010, 10:56 AM
i'm still amused by the fact this show had 3 potential encores...and they went with none of the ones they planned lol

rap
tb
2 step would have kicked assssss

NiCK Crush
09-21-2010, 10:56 AM
I agree that we need more 2001-2010 shows released based on quality rather than big event.

Dkrogh
09-21-2010, 11:06 AM
Meh. The whole "LT shouldn't be based on big venue shows" thing is overblown. Four out of eighteen LT's were done that way. What they have not done is picked enough quality 2001-2009 shows based on quality (LT8, LT10, and LT14 are the only more modern shows released without 'big venue' in mind). That's what I want. They keep doing it for 90's shows in LT and DMBLive, but not for the past decade, and it's annoying.

I think you need to contact all Ants members then to talk with them since it seems like 2 of the LT releases seems to have come from them voting or choosing or something like that.

raven
09-21-2010, 11:17 AM
Well, then they should lay off of all the old shows in the LiveTrax series then. Lately both have just been putting out old shows only. If DMBLive only releases old shows and LT continues to release lots of 94-00 shows, we're left with a disproportionate amount of old shows vs newer.fine by me :)

gweeps
09-21-2010, 11:24 AM
Tim is the best part of that video.

Jack
09-21-2010, 11:30 AM
Well, then they should lay off of all the old shows in the LiveTrax series then. Lately both have just been putting out old shows only. If DMBLive only releases old shows and LT continues to release lots of 94-00 shows, we're left with a disproportionate amount of good shows vs newer.

fyp.

Crush87
09-21-2010, 11:58 AM
Meh. The whole "LT shouldn't be based on big venue shows" thing is overblown. Four out of eighteen LT's were done that way. What they have not done is picked enough quality 2001-2009 shows based on quality (LT8, LT10, and LT14 are the only more modern shows released without 'big venue' in mind). That's what I want. They keep doing it for 90's shows in LT and DMBLive, but not for the past decade, and it's annoying.

It's not when you have other releases like Peidmont, RCMH, Vegas, etc etc. That shit piles up, LT or not.

batleon
09-21-2010, 12:00 PM
LT has been great lately. I honestly think that series has had a pretty good ratio of quality shows:blatant money grabs. dmblive has only made things better. There are a ton of quality releases from the pre-ED days now and there's something for everyone there. In store releases are another story, I can't remember the last full band in store release I bought. It's too bad, the generic DMB fans could use a good dose of some high quality DMB.

But Tomacco is right, there have been precious few releases from '01 on that were based on quality vs. venue and that is a shame because there are good shows there.

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 12:57 PM
But I'm not convinced we'll be seeing a ton of extra releases next year. The most we've ever gotten in a year was in '08 when dmblive first opened and I can't see them putting more than that out in a year.

really? seems pretty obvious we will. they're going to want to make up some of the money lost by not touring somehow.

I wish they'd start releasing DMBLive shows beyond 1996. People who wanted old shows really have nothing to complain about anymore when you look at all the old stuff released in the last couple years.
nooo. that '96 dmblive sounds flat without the crowd mixed in and the sound beefed up and mixed. if dmblive is just going to be polished and mastered soundboards then it needs to be only 95 and older, and D+T shows. those work best with the soundboard sound.

Well, then they should lay off of all the old shows in the LiveTrax series then. Lately both have just been putting out old shows only. If DMBLive only releases old shows and LT continues to release lots of 94-00 shows, we're left with a disproportionate amount of old shows vs newer.
i can't believe you're saying we're getting too many old 90's shows. i really can't. that's fucked up.

LT has been great lately. I honestly think that series has had a pretty good ratio of quality shows:blatant money grabs. dmblive has only made things better. There are a ton of quality releases from the pre-ED days now and there's something for everyone there. In store releases are another story, I can't remember the last full band in store release I bought. It's too bad, the generic DMB fans could use a good dose of some high quality DMB.

But Tomacco is right, there have been precious few releases from '01 on that were based on quality vs. venue and that is a shame because there are good shows there.

agreed.

batleon
09-21-2010, 01:13 PM
really? seems pretty obvious we will. they're going to want to make up some of the money lost by not touring somehow.


I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if we aren't flooded with new releases next year. If we get one a month I'd be happy, and that would break the aforementioned record.

And to follow up I'd really like to see a high quality, in store release next year. Something a little outside the box. Give the fans who aren't paying attention to LT and dmblive something they don't know they're missing. 12/3/98 would be great (and hell, it would even have a big name venue attached to it too to make the marketing people happy)

Tomacco
09-21-2010, 01:56 PM
i can't believe you're saying we're getting too many old 90's shows. i really can't. that's fucked up.


No, it's really not fucked up. I honestly can't be bothered with anymore pre-1998 versions of songs from R2T/UTTAD/Crash which we already have a dozen+ released versions of. I want some different versions of songs from the 2000s now for a change of pace. I'd rather get 5 more versions of KKJ, Last Stop, JTR, Busted Stuff, YNK, Captain, STDH, So Right, FTT, Crazy Easy, Long Black Veil, Joy Ride, Sugar Will, GGT, Spaceman, Spoon, KTK, ADSR, IOY, Shotgun, etc than yet another damn version of Billies, Nancies, Warehouse, SMTS, Too Much, Crash, LIOG, etc from the early to mid-90s. How am I in such a minority on this? Do people just adore the old material SO much that they'd rather have 100 versions of those songs compared to a small sampling of everything that came after? Doesn't anyone want variety?

batleon
09-21-2010, 02:07 PM
We want good performances. Doesn't matter if it's our first official release of Sleep to Dream Her or our umpteenth Jimi Thing. Just make it good.

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 02:11 PM
No, it's really not fucked up. I honestly can't be bothered with anymore pre-1998 versions of songs from R2T/UTTAD/Crash which we already have a dozen+ released versions of. I want some different versions of songs from the 2000s now for a change of pace. I'd rather get 5 more versions of KKJ, Last Stop, JTR, Busted Stuff, YNK, Captain, STDH, So Right, FTT, Crazy Easy, Long Black Veil, Joy Ride, Sugar Will, GGT, Spaceman, Spoon, KTK, ADSR, IOY, Shotgun, etc than yet another damn version of Billies, Nancies, Warehouse, SMTS, Too Much, Crash, LIOG, etc from the early to mid-90s. How am I in such a minority on this? Do people just adore the old material SO much that they'd rather have 100 versions of those songs compared to a small sampling of everything that came after? Doesn't anyone want variety?

well a few things...

that list of post-2000 songs you mentioned wanting more versions of is great, but there are few if any shows that have a good chunk of all of those in one set.

and those 2006/2007 songs i really have no interest in anymore besides getting a KTK, but that would be perfect for a warehouse disc.

as for variety, it's a different thing when referring to releases than attending shows. sure people want variety when they're hitting a bunch of shows in one tour and are even open to songs they're not crazy about just to see something different. but just listening to shows? i'm much more picky. i don't want to listen to songs i don't care for. so with that in mind, i'm much much more interested in more classic 90's shows and shows from 2008 and on. that 2000-2007 period? not so much, with a handful of exceptions.

but i know you enjoy their shopping mall jazz from this past decade more than some and you definitely enjoy Stand Up more than most so yes i do think you're in the minority and rightly so.

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 02:14 PM
We want good performances. Doesn't matter if it's our first official release of Sleep to Dream Her or our umpteenth Jimi Thing. Just make it good.

exactly. this is why i don't have any interest in shows from 2006-2007. i just don't think they were performing well those two tours despite some good sets sprinkled in there.

Tomacco
09-21-2010, 02:16 PM
We want good performances. Doesn't matter if it's our first official release of Sleep to Dream Her or our umpteenth Jimi Thing. Just make it good.

Unless there is something structurally unique about the performances, I have enough good performances of 90% of the songs from R2T/UTTAD/Crash by now. What we don't have are enough good live releases of:

Busted Stuff
Captain
Raven
Big Eyed Fish
So Right
Fool to Think
Sleep to Dream Her
Last Stop
Spoon
The Stone
Good Good Time
Sugar Will
Crazy Easy
LITHOG
Spaceman
Kill the King
Shotgun
You & Me
A Dream So Real
Seven
Squirm

batleon
09-21-2010, 02:16 PM
exactly. this is why i don't have any interest in shows from 2006-2007. i just don't think they were performing well those two tours despite some good sets sprinkled in there.

SPAC '06, Randall's, and Hollywood Bowl '07 would all be good releases, but are hardly priorities. Staying away from Stand Up era shows is fine by me.

Tomacco
09-21-2010, 02:18 PM
but i know you enjoy their shopping mall jazz from this past decade more than some and you definitely enjoy Stand Up more than most so yes i do think you're in the minority and rightly so.

I didn't even mention any SU songs. Don't be a dick.

The lack of interest in shows from 2001 onward around here makes me completely baffled how so many of you are still DMB fans.

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 02:18 PM
:lol oh come on, lighten up.

batleon
09-21-2010, 02:18 PM
Unless there is something structurally unique about the performances, I have enough good performances of 90% of the songs from R2T/UTTAD/Crash by now. What we don't have are enough good live releases of:

Busted Stuff
Captain
Raven
Big Eyed Fish
So Right
Fool to Think
Sleep to Dream Her
Last Stop
Spoon
The Stone
Good Good Time
Sugar Will
Crazy Easy
LITHOG
Spaceman
Kill the King
Shotgun
You & Me
A Dream So Real
Seven
Squirm

OK I'll play your game. Give me some worthwhile shows that include these songs you'd recommend. Keep in mind that I did say I'd enjoy another '04 release.

gweeps
09-21-2010, 02:20 PM
Unless there is something structurally unique about the performances, I have enough good performances of 90% of the songs from R2T/UTTAD/Crash by now. What we don't have are enough good live releases of:

Busted Stuff
Captain
Raven
Big Eyed Fish
So Right
Fool to Think
Sleep to Dream Her
Last Stop
Spoon
The Stone
Good Good Time
Sugar Will
Crazy Easy
LITHOG
Spaceman
Kill the King
Shotgun
You & Me
A Dream So Real
Seven
SquirmI agree with the bolded.

batleon
09-21-2010, 02:20 PM
but i know you enjoy their shopping mall jazz from this past decade more than some and you definitely enjoy Stand Up more than most so yes i do think you're in the minority and rightly so.

You do realize you are in the minority here in regards to not liking their "shopping mall jazz" sound, right?

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 02:23 PM
Unless there is something structurally unique about the performances, I have enough good performances of 90% of the songs from R2T/UTTAD/Crash by now. What we don't have are enough good live releases of:

Busted Stuff
Captain
Raven
Big Eyed Fish
So Right
Fool to Think
Sleep to Dream Her
Last Stop
Spoon
The Stone
Good Good Time
Sugar Will
Crazy Easy
LITHOG
Spaceman
Kill the King
Shotgun
You & Me
A Dream So Real
Seven
Squirm

half those songs are not good enough that they warrant releasing an overall sub par show just to get a good version. not to mention we have 2 great versions of Busted stuff, a Captain that is as good as it's going to get (8-26-02), we have like 3 Sugar Will's from it's best year, a perfectly fine Spaceman (a song that rarely changes besides it's tempo), and i'm just going to ignore the fact that you put FUCKING YOU AND ME in that list.

and also, Big Eyed Fish and So Right and LITHOG all fall under post-'07 shows that i still want much more of and that we're sure to get more of.

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 02:24 PM
You do realize you are in the minority here in regards to not liking their "shopping mall jazz" sound, right?

that's why i said "more than some" and not "more than most' in regards to that specific thing.

and yes i know that, it frustrates and baffles me every day that people think that shit is good.

batleon
09-21-2010, 02:25 PM
We need a 2010 Big Eyed Fish for sure. Song was at it's best this year.

gweeps
09-21-2010, 02:25 PM
You do realize you are in the minority here in regards to not liking their "shopping mall jazz" sound, right?He's dissident and he gives not a tin shit about being in the minority.

batleon
09-21-2010, 02:26 PM
that's why i said "more than some" and not "more than most' in regards to that specific thing.

and yes i know that, it frustrates and baffles me every day that people think that shit is good.

Different strokes.

Just wanted to point out the irony of you bringing up Tomacco's unpopular opinion when you have a few yourself :lol

gweeps
09-21-2010, 02:26 PM
We need a 2010 Big Eyed Fish for sure. Song was at it's best this year.:upyours

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 02:27 PM
Different strokes.

Just wanted to point out the irony of you bringing up Tomacco's unpopular opinion when you have a few yourself :lol

yes, but he is rightly in the minority and i am wrongly in the minority. try and keep up bat :lol

batleon
09-21-2010, 02:28 PM
Oh well, that goes without saying of course :rolleyes

Anyway, how's that list of shows coming Tomacco?

Tomacco
09-21-2010, 02:31 PM
OK I'll play your game. Give me some worthwhile shows that include these songs you'd recommend. Keep in mind that I did say I'd enjoy another '04 release.

These don't include all of them, but they feature a sampling of songs that we don't have tons of releases of already, which is my point:

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453055780&tid=12&where=2002
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453055827&tid=58&where=2002
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453055836&tid=58&where=2002
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453055998&tid=72&where=2003
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056007&tid=72&where=2003
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056013&tid=72&where=2003
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056014&tid=72&where=2003
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056085&tid=80&where=2004
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056133&tid=80&where=2004
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056268&tid=87&where=2006
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056273&tid=87&where=2006
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056275&tid=87&where=2006
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056484&tid=96&where=2007
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056491&tid=96&where=2007
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056502&tid=96&where=2007
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056557&tid=98&where=2008
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056583&tid=98&where=2008
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056575&tid=98&where=2008
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056612&tid=103&where=2009
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056622&tid=103&where=2009
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056657&tid=106&where=2009

And of course a bunch of 2010 candidates.

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 02:32 PM
He's dissident and he gives not a tin shit about being in the minority.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4681/vlcsnap847556.png

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 02:33 PM
i no longer have any interest in a Stone that doesn't have jeff coffin.

FiddySpence
09-21-2010, 02:36 PM
Oh well, that goes without saying of course :rolleyes


you know i was half joking right? it was pretty clear.


i'd love shows from '02, late '03, '04, '08-'10, and that's about it. most of '00, '01, early '03, and '05-'07 can fuck off.

batleon
09-21-2010, 02:37 PM
Hmmmm... there are some good ones on that list I will give you that, a few that even I have said need to be released (8/7/03, a good September '03 show, 10/2/07) but some of these picks... eh I don't know that I'd lay out my money for most of these. A few I've never heard before at all so I have to reserve judgement.

7/1/08 is actually a rather clever choice though. First show with Jeff as a member of the band, marketing would have fun with that.