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KerwinMcgee
01-20-2012, 03:40 PM
http://warehouse.shop.musictoday.com/Dept.aspx?cp=6_54789

Dave Matthews Band 8.4.95 SOMA in San Diego, CA is the 21st volume in the Live Trax series.

Special pre-order CD price - save $2.00

The show was performed in front of an intimate crowd and broadcast via radio and Dan Healy, the Grateful Dead's longtime audio engineer, was on board as the recording engineer. Despite it being a radio broadcast, the band was comfortable performing with experimental soloing and joking with the crowd.

The 1995 San Diego show features compelling renditions of classic songs with the band exhibiting great energy throughout the set. Highlights from the early show include LeRoi's performance on Proudest Monkey, I'll Back You Up in the encore as well as an exceptional Drive In Drive Out. This version of Don't Burn the Pig is an early jam, different from the later studio release on Before These Crowded Streets.

*Please note: This item is available for pre-order.
Expected ship date is on or about February 24, 2012. All items in your order will ship on that date. Digital content will deliver on February 28, 2012. (DMDD92)
DetailsCustomer Reviews

Disc 1

1. Seek Up
2. Proudest Monkey
3. Satellite
4. Tripping Billies
5. Don't Burn the Pig
6. Recently
7. Lover Lay Down
8. Dancing Nancies
9. Warehouse

Disc 2

1. Jimi Thing
2. Pay For What You Get
3. Rhyme and Reason
4. Two Step
5. Ants Marching
6. I'll Back You Up
7. Drive In Drive Out

Mitch
01-20-2012, 03:42 PM
Date should be 8.4.95... 1995 is my favorite year, so :upyours:upyours

Even though I LOVE '95, I am really jonesing for more 2002-2004, but ok...

Rowsdower
01-20-2012, 03:42 PM
That should be 8/4/95, no?

Crush87
01-20-2012, 03:44 PM
I believe there's a purported sbd already out there, may not actually be sbd but I remember trying to figure that out years ago. Good show here. August '95 is as good as it gets wish they'd release 8/20 or 8/11...

brian3641
01-20-2012, 03:45 PM
That should be 8/4/95, no?

yep

Rowsdower
01-20-2012, 03:45 PM
As good as '95 is and as good as this show looks, I still wish it was an '02 release.

Mitch
01-20-2012, 03:45 PM
I believe there's a purported sbd already out there, may not actually be sbd but I remember trying to figure that out years ago. Good show here. August '95 is as good as it gets wish they'd release 8/20 or 8/11...

:nod :upyours

KerwinMcgee
01-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Typo on the Warehouse page, yes it is 8.4.95

Crush87
01-20-2012, 03:46 PM
Is the 8/23/95 mix Healy's as well?

Rowsdower
01-20-2012, 03:50 PM
9/24/95 would have been a cool random '95 Dave and Tim show to get.

Mitch
01-20-2012, 03:59 PM
DMBlive gives so much more instant gratification... these get announced and we gotta wait 6 weeks. I want it now, goddamnit! :rawk

batleon
01-20-2012, 04:02 PM
On the fence about this one. Hate to complain about a Summer '95 release because that is an A+ tour but with two releases from that tour already and other Summer '95 shows I'd rather see (the aforementioned 8/11 and 8/20) I may pass on this one.

Fully mixed DBTP is pretty sweet though. That's not on the already circulating Pre-FM source for this show:
http://dmbexchange.com/source/dmb1995-08-04.pre-fm.txt

sdaltons
01-20-2012, 04:08 PM
about time

sdaltons
01-20-2012, 04:09 PM
wait jadorsey is kerwin
http://playstationeu.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/281929iA0B687262ADAC283/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1

KerwinMcgee
01-20-2012, 04:10 PM
wait jadorsey is kerwin
http://playstationeu.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/281929iA0B687262ADAC283/image-size/original?v=mpbl-1&px=-1

:lol Yes :upyours
Id like to have my username changed to KerwinMcgee if possible..

holdyouclose
01-20-2012, 04:24 PM
I don't understand why they aren't taking advantage of this LT thing....don't get me wrong this is a great show, most LT are, but why aren't they releasing unique shows? Or shows with unique versions of songs? These versions are going to more or less sound like the other 2 shows we have..

sdaltons
01-20-2012, 04:26 PM
i feel deceived right now

FiddySpence
01-20-2012, 04:28 PM
eh, i feel like we've been kind of bombarded with 95 shows.

batleon
01-20-2012, 04:30 PM
This is also the longest gap to date between LTs since the series started. I was hoping for something big after such a long wait. It's hard to call this one a "miss" but it's the least interesting LT to me in a while.

Mitch
01-20-2012, 04:31 PM
eh, i feel like we've been kind of bombarded with 95 shows.

yeah, that's how i feel... like i said earlier, i love '95, so i can't say i'm disappointed, but at this point I'd much prefer a fall 2000 or good 2002 or 2004 release

Rowsdower
01-20-2012, 04:38 PM
This show feels more like a DMBLive release than a Live Trax.

batleon
01-20-2012, 04:46 PM
The good news is if radio broadcasts are on their radar maybe they'll do Cow Palace at some point.

abw123
01-20-2012, 04:50 PM
Always great to get a release announced, and '95 is of course awesome, but this seems like a strange choice. If you're going to do another one, give me something with 41 Police, or another song as of yet unreleased from that year. Oh well, I'm sure it will be good like all the '95s are.

The fact that some of the other touring years have been so ignored is borderline criminal (1998, 1999, 2003, 2006).... and I'll always take more 2000 and 2004 too.

Is it not odd that they have never released a Recently with Take Me To the River, nor On Broadway? I feel like they did those outros a ton, and we have a ton of Recentlys.......kinda strange.

kylebond13
01-20-2012, 04:52 PM
Always great to get a release announced, and '95 is of course awesome, but this seems like a strange choice. If you're going to do another one, give me something with 41 Police, or another song as of yet unreleased from that year.

isnt dont burn the pig unreleased from that year?

also, can anyone up this soma version? im being lazy re: torrent

abw123
01-20-2012, 05:06 PM
Don't Burn the Pig is on the SF show from spring '95, but yes, that's still a fair point.

As far as I'm concerned they are batting 1.000 on '95 releases so I'm sure this will be great.

I do think those that get the full LT treatment sound quite a bit better than those released on DMBLive.

holdyouclose
01-20-2012, 05:06 PM
The good news is if radio broadcasts are on their radar maybe they'll do Cow Palace at some point.

My 1st show, I'd be ecstatic if they released this one, it has that RR's 95 vibe to it....

batleon
01-20-2012, 05:23 PM
That's the thing I love the vibe of these Summer '95 shows so it's hard to say no to a fully mixed release... but will I really listen to this one all that much? I love Red Rocks, LT12 and LT5 so will I really ever find myself wanting to listen to this?

gweeps
01-20-2012, 05:29 PM
This show feels more like a DMBLive release than a Live Trax.Which is funny considering 8 of the LT releases have been pre-00. But you feel the way you do because every full band DMBlive has been pre-00.

Fan#41
01-20-2012, 05:29 PM
This show feels more like a DMBLive release than a Live Trax.

Agreed. I'm still very interested in listening to this show and as was stated, August '95 is one of their best months so I'm glad to see more coming from those few weeks of shows, but yeah this could have easily been bundled up with 3 other shows in a DMBLive batch release.

I did like the subtle mention of DBTP's transformation from those early hollow performances to what was recorded as Pig on BTCS, especially since Lillywhite is back with the band now it takes the discussion back to what ideas, additions and inspiration he can bring to some road tested material from the last 6 or 7 years for this new record.

Fan#41
01-20-2012, 05:31 PM
Which is funny considering 8 of the LT releases have been pre-00. But you feel the way you do because every full band DMBlive has been pre-00.

But a few of the Pre-00 Live Trax were special or specific shows, like 12/31/96 or 4/30/96, 12/8/98. While I'm still interested in this 8/4/95 show, it doesn't seem to have an hook that would put itself up on a higher shelf as a Live Trax vs. being part of a batch of DMBLive releases.

abw123
01-20-2012, 05:32 PM
Red Rocks and LT 5 are at the very top of all our releases, in my opinion. Red Rocks gets all the deserved love, but LT 5 is just as good in my book and has a great guest and killer Jimi, Rhyme, and Exodus.

I don't hold LT12 in quite the same esteem as everyone else. Very good show, but not as good as those others.

The 3 we have from DMB Live are all solid - SF, Easton, and Memphis.

Fan#41
01-20-2012, 05:34 PM
Red Rocks and LT 5 are at the very top of all our releases, in my opinion. Red Rocks gets all the deserved love, but LT 5 is just as good in my book and has a great guest and killer Jimi, Rhyme, and Exodus.

I don't hold LT12 in quite the same esteem as everyone else. Very good show, but not as good as those others.

The 3 we have from DMB Live are all solid - SF, Easton, and Memphis.

LT12 is fantastic, and imo, is a perfect representation of DMB JUST starting to transition from clubs and larger halls to big theaters and Amphitheaters.

Thrawn
01-20-2012, 05:40 PM
Grr.

This is their 63rd full show release, and the last one that had Butch was #29, 8.29.00, which was released almost 4 years ago.

I'm a piano player. I LIKE Butch.

That said, I suspect this will be a fun listen. But I'm really hoping #22 is somewhere from the 00-04 range.

ethaxton
01-20-2012, 05:46 PM
Was really hoping for an '04 show...sigh.

abw123
01-20-2012, 05:51 PM
I don't know if I buy the Butch lack of release conspiracy theory or not, but regardless, I want some more shows from fucking 1998-2006. A lot more.

abw123
01-20-2012, 05:52 PM
But '95 is a great year, probably the best year. So I'm not really complaining. Much better than more 2009-2011 shows.......

ethaxton
01-20-2012, 05:53 PM
I'm only complaining that it's a Live Trax release and not a DMBLive release.

Thrawn
01-20-2012, 06:21 PM
I don't know if I buy the Butch lack of release conspiracy theory or not, but regardless, I want some more shows from fucking 1998-2006. A lot more.

I didn't mean to suggest it was a "conspiracy theory", I was just pointing out that for whatever reason it's been a long time and I want another one.

gweeps
01-20-2012, 06:33 PM
I bet it is contractual or something. The last Butch era show release was near April 2008, around the time we found out he had left the band.

And the only 2000 show released since then doesn't have Butch.

Not that far of a stretch.

Thrawn
01-20-2012, 07:10 PM
That would suck.

Jack
01-20-2012, 07:23 PM
Pretty hard to complain about a dan heally truck mix august '95 show. For those that don't know, he mixed Live At Red Rocks.

Also, as Frank mentioned, there is a partial Westwood One sbd of this out there.

JustinC
01-20-2012, 07:49 PM
I bet it is contractual or something. The last Butch era show release was near April 2008, around the time we found out he had left the band.

And the only 2000 show released since then doesn't have Butch.

Not that far of a stretch.

If that is the case it's really going to suck that they probably won't release any of these shows.

http://dmbalmanac.com/GuestStats.aspx?gid=27

Kind of weak if we don't get any of those show because they don't want to pay Butch. It also wouldn't phase me if they don't want to release any shows Butch played just because he isn't touring with the band anymore.

ggies
01-20-2012, 08:11 PM
Love me some '95 :hump Just like others though, it's killing me that we don't have another '04 release. The one we have is so badass.

sean52692
01-20-2012, 08:17 PM
Looks to be a great choice for a release. DBTP will be nice to have.

brian3641
01-20-2012, 08:18 PM
Love me some '95 :hump Just like others though, it's killing me that we don't have another '04 release. The one we have is so badass.

:upyours I was just listening to it the other day. It's pretty great.

JustinC
01-20-2012, 08:20 PM
Was there really only 30 people at this show?

sean52692
01-20-2012, 08:44 PM
almanac says 1,400

JWood
01-20-2012, 09:36 PM
:rawk

Wish we'd still get a 41 Police though.

ethaxton
01-20-2012, 10:30 PM
Cover art is awesome. Wish we could see a set like that these days.

NiCK Crush
01-20-2012, 10:54 PM
I mean, I'm sure this show is great. But yea, 2004.

Poth Ead
01-20-2012, 11:26 PM
I'm pretty cool with this choice if only because of the Dan Heally mix which is gonna sound real nice especially in such an intimate setting as that stage looks to be.

Truthfully, I was really hoping for a '98 or '99 stadium show... or a 2002 or 2004 release.

I dont buy into the fact that Butch isn't working with the band so they aren't going to release any of those shows with him. They'll be released in time but there are so many "classic" DMB shows from years '95-98 that should be released before we get, say a 2002 show... I guess I'd prefer another '04 release before an '02

Hopper
01-20-2012, 11:28 PM
For our umpteenth 95 release they could have at least picked a show with 41 police

NiCK Crush
01-20-2012, 11:29 PM
For our umpteenth 95 release they could have at least picked a show with 41 police

Yea, true. That would have been nice.

sean52692
01-21-2012, 01:04 AM
I dont buy into the fact that Butch isn't working with the band so they aren't going to release any of those shows with him

Wish we knew more about this.

MaLaKaS
01-21-2012, 01:42 AM
I'm interested in listening to this show :upyours. And I'm sure that the Butch contract thing isn't true because he was with them for way too many years. I don't think they would avoid missing so many years of shows.

holdyouclose
01-21-2012, 11:08 AM
Was there really only 30 people at this show?

almanac says 1,400

It's odd that they went from 1400 to 9300 (RR), in a week....anyone know if RR's was full?

Waka Jawaka
01-21-2012, 11:42 AM
It's odd that they went from 1400 to 9300 (RR), in a week....anyone know if RR's was full?

It's not that odd, they were playing to a variation of different sized crowds during that tour.

DMBCLSTJ
01-21-2012, 11:47 AM
Jesus, this place is like a bunch of old jewish ladies for Boca Raton, FL.

soright05
01-21-2012, 12:18 PM
Excited for this but I can't wait any longer for 02 or 04 shows


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holdyouclose
01-21-2012, 12:43 PM
It's not that odd, they were playing to a variation of different sized crowds during that tour.

Yeah, I just flipped through the almanac and noticed that, never really looked at the crowd size that much, pretty interesting numbers for that time period, especially seeing the numbers as they move more west....

Tomacco
01-21-2012, 01:32 PM
Not really interested in this release.

sdaltons
01-21-2012, 02:14 PM
Not really interested in this release.
Same. Leave it to them to wait all this time and then screw it up.

MaLaKaS
01-21-2012, 02:15 PM
What if they pull a LT12 again and this release floors us...

FiddySpence
01-21-2012, 02:17 PM
Same. Leave it to them to wait all this time and then screw it up.

oh please. this may not be the most exciting release, but they didn't fucking screw it up.

MaLaKaS
01-21-2012, 02:22 PM
I agree Spence

sdaltons
01-21-2012, 02:29 PM
I just don't see much difference from the other 1995 shows they've released, but I'm more into 2000, 2002, 2003, and 2004 right now.

FiddySpence
01-21-2012, 02:35 PM
I just don't see much difference from the other 1995 shows they've released

set wise most of the shows they played that year were very similar. i mean, how could they not be, they only had one album.

sdaltons
01-21-2012, 02:41 PM
set wise most of the shows they played that year were very similar. i mean, how could they not be, they only had one album.
Right, exactly. So why do we need another 1995 release? Oh yeah I'm sure the energy was high and the performances were sick or whatever that night. That's probably why.

Give me another '03 show please. Or something from June or July '04

holdyouclose
01-21-2012, 02:46 PM
Right, exactly. So why do we need another 1995 release? Oh yeah I'm sure the energy was high and the performances were sick or whatever that night. That's probably why.

Give me another '03 show please. Or something from June or July '04

Especially when RR's was less than 2 weeks later, and was mixed by the same person, which is part of their marketing for this thing....And the Mud Island DMBLive was 2 weeks before this....give is something from earlier in the year at least

FiddySpence
01-21-2012, 02:47 PM
Right, exactly. So why do we need another 1995 release? Oh yeah I'm sure the energy was high and the performances were sick or whatever that night. That's probably why.

Give me another '03 show please. Or something from June or July '04


yeah i don't disagree with that, i'd like something from 2002. but you're being unnecessarily hyperbolic as usual with this "they fucked it up" crap and flippantly dismissing high energy and good performances as reasons to put out a show.

but i'm gonna reserve judgment until i hear it. LT12 didn't have me very interested before i heard it, and it's one of their best releases. and plus, it's r

FiddySpence
01-21-2012, 02:48 PM
Especially when RR's was less than 2 weeks later, and was mixed by the same person, which is part of their marketing for this thing....And the Mud Island DMBLive was 2 weeks before this....give is something from earlier in the year at least

we have a show from February and a few shows from May.

holdyouclose
01-21-2012, 02:54 PM
we have a show from February and a few shows from May.

True....I wouldn't mind this....Eyes Of The World, 41 Police

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453055240&tid=38&where=1995

FiddySpence
01-21-2012, 03:00 PM
yeah that would be a good one

sdaltons
01-21-2012, 03:04 PM
yeah i don't disagree with that, i'd like something from 2002. but you're being unnecessarily hyperbolic as usual with this "they fucked it up" crap and flippantly dismissing high energy and good performances as reasons to put out a show.

but i'm gonna reserve judgment until i hear it. LT12 didn't have me very interested before i heard it, and it's one of their best releases. and plus, it's r
Ok the part they fucked up was basically releasing nothing from dmb live or live trax last year. If we had been getting consistent releases all along, this one would probably have seemed fine. But now it feels like we've been waiting all this time and this is the best they could come up with.

And high energy and good performances are stupid reasons to choose a show to release. That's like admitting that some shows lacked energy or had bad performances. And while we fans know that is the case (for some entire tours lol), I don't think management should operate that way.

holdyouclose
01-21-2012, 03:20 PM
yeah that would be a good one

If they guy throwing the dart would've went a little right maybe we'd have gotten it....

FiddySpence
01-21-2012, 03:23 PM
And high energy and good performances are stupid reasons to choose a show to release. That's like admitting that some shows lacked energy or had bad performances. And while we fans know that is the case (for some entire tours lol), I don't think management should operate that way.

this doesn't make a lick of sense to me

Tomacco
01-21-2012, 03:31 PM
It's weird how after 21 LTs, there hasn't been a single one from 2001 or 2002.

sdaltons
01-21-2012, 03:45 PM
this doesn't make a lick of sense to me
What I'm saying is every show has high energy!!!! So how can they choose a certain show over any other one because of that?

FiddySpence
01-21-2012, 04:01 PM
that's going under the assumption that whoever is responsible for picking releases is incapable of judging performances as better or worse than others. i don't buy that.

roshea999
01-21-2012, 04:12 PM
They haven't released a show with butch since he left. Bring on 04!

JimBeam41
01-21-2012, 04:40 PM
True....I wouldn't mind this....Eyes Of The World, 41 Police

http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453055240&tid=38&where=1995

I'd be excited if this was the release.

Thrawn
01-21-2012, 06:36 PM
It's weird how after 21 LTs, there hasn't been a single one from 2001 or 2002.

Or 1999 or 2003, for that matter.

Tomacco
01-21-2012, 06:38 PM
Or 1999 or 2003, for that matter.

Good point. So many shows I'd like to have from 2002 and 2003, and I'd definitely enjoy at least one cool show from 2001 for good measure. I've had more than enough UTTAD and Crash era shows.

FiddySpence
01-21-2012, 06:41 PM
there is only one show from 2001 that is even approaching "cool", and i wouldn't give a shit if that even never got released. they can keep forgetting that tour ever happened, and we should too

NiCK Crush
01-21-2012, 06:49 PM
6.4. 01 isn't bad

Thrawn
01-21-2012, 06:57 PM
I just want Sleep To Dream Her > Prelude > Grace Is Gone on a Warehouse disc. That's it.

Though I would certainly enjoy 7.25.01 on a Live Trax. But it's not as important to me as other 02, 03, and 04 shows.

Tomacco
01-21-2012, 06:58 PM
6.4. 01 isn't bad

I'd much prefer this show than the one they picked for LT21. Something totally different for a change.

Crush87
01-21-2012, 07:07 PM
Amazing cover art. Looking forward to getting a hold of some of these '90s photos when they eventually open up their archives

JustinC
01-21-2012, 07:10 PM
They haven't released a show with butch since he left. Bring on 04!

There's gotta be a Butch gag order. Which would suck because every show from 5/18/01-11/15/07 would never have a chance of being released. Most of 98,99 and all of Fall 2000 would be fair game.

There was also a rumor going around that when the antsmarching staff picked live trax 16, 6/26/00 wasn't their first choice.

6.4. 01 isn't bad

The birth of the extended Angel

FiddySpence
01-21-2012, 07:16 PM
There was also a rumor going around that when the antsmarching staff picked live trax 16, 6/26/00 wasn't their first choice.





does this rumor happen to originate from the same people who think there's a legal reason DMB can't release a show with butch?

until someone of actual authority says otherwise, i just assume it's nonsense. it just doesn't really make sense. they've released individual songs with butch on them for the warehouse since he left.

JustinC
01-21-2012, 08:09 PM
No, if I remember correctly one of them said they wanted 6/7/98. Then again this is over 2 years ago and i'm not trying to search for it.

MaLaKaS
01-21-2012, 08:12 PM
No, if I remember correctly one of them said they wanted 6/7/98. Then again this is over 2 years ago and i'm not trying to search for it.

That would have been an incredible release. Love that show!

Jack
01-21-2012, 09:47 PM
Calling for an '01 show over this? Christ.

Welsh
01-21-2012, 09:47 PM
I wish they would release a box set of 11/30-12/3. Those are as good as it gets for this band, if you ask me.

Jack
01-21-2012, 11:35 PM
And people would still bitch.

There was a show you'd rather see released than the one they released? No shit?

FiddySpence
01-21-2012, 11:43 PM
jack coming in swinging

dmb2much40
01-22-2012, 10:38 AM
august 95 was one of their best months, i won't complain about this release.

soright05
01-22-2012, 12:45 PM
Yeah it's hard to complain about another 95 show but I think most people are really wanting a nice 02 or 04 show, myself included

JWood
01-22-2012, 03:32 PM
Calling for an '01 show over this? Christ.

Look who the poster was, not too surprising.

MaLaKaS
01-22-2012, 04:17 PM
This set list looks absolutely beautiful. I'm still hoping they bust out 04.05.95 or 04.07.95 one day though.

holdyouclose
01-22-2012, 04:34 PM
This set list looks absolutely beautiful. I'm still hoping they bust out 04.05.95 or 04.07.95 one day though.

4/5 would be awesome, that's what this LT series should be about, getting these unique shows out....

FiddySpence
01-22-2012, 04:44 PM
then what's dmblive supposed to be about?

LIOGwhat
01-22-2012, 04:49 PM
is there a recording of 4/5/95?never heard of that before but looks interesting, would like to check it out.

as far as this release, i'm with the majority. certainly won't complain about any 95 show, but we have had our fair share of them now, especially with dmblive, and i'm really wanting the 02-04 period to get a release (or 10/2/07, i'll always be hoping for that as a livetrax someday!)

i never realized the whole thing about no butch-era releases since his departure. wow would it suck if we never got a release form the time he was with the band from here on out....

holdyouclose
01-22-2012, 04:50 PM
then what's dmblive supposed to be about?

Same thing, just faster and cheaper for them to do....

FiddySpence
01-22-2012, 04:52 PM
is there a recording of 4/5/95?never heard of that before but looks interesting, would like to check it out.



there is, but it's shitty.

batleon
01-22-2012, 07:36 PM
2001 :lol

I do think it's weird that they haven't released anything with Butch since he left, but just strikes me as a quirky coincidence more than anything else.

FiddySpence
01-22-2012, 07:42 PM
yeah, and again, they've released warehouse tracks with him. there's nothing going on.

Mitch
01-22-2012, 09:50 PM
I'm still hoping they bust out 04.05.95 or 04.07.95 one day though.

Or 4.11.95! (my first show)

yeah, and again, they've released warehouse tracks with him. there's nothing going on.

I agree. Those shows will come.

toomanychoices
01-22-2012, 11:14 PM
I am still waiting for 6.8.97.

MaLaKaS
01-23-2012, 01:14 AM
I am still waiting for 6.8.97.

Isn't that Brandon's favorite show, or am I mistaken?

raven
01-23-2012, 09:36 AM
excellent! :)

raven
01-23-2012, 09:36 AM
I am still waiting for 6.8.97.

ditto.. my first show

raven
01-23-2012, 09:36 AM
Isn't that Brandon's favorite show, or am I mistaken?

it's definitely mine

Jack
01-23-2012, 10:33 AM
They would definitely need to find a way to edit in that girl's 'sing it!' right before dave kicks into Nature > Billies. Awesome moment.

ThememanXX
01-23-2012, 11:15 AM
I've never been so underwhelmed at a release announcement. Blah. Next??

raven
01-24-2012, 11:27 AM
I've never been so underwhelmed at a release announcement. Blah. Next??

:downyours

ggies
01-24-2012, 11:58 AM
I've never been so underwhelmed at a release announcement. Blah. Next??

:downyours

:downyours:downyours

batleon
01-24-2012, 01:07 PM
This is a divisive release. I know I'm still leaning towards no. May need to DL the AUD and give it a listen.

SonofSuns34
01-24-2012, 01:16 PM
This is a divisive release. I know I'm still leaning towards no. May need to DL the AUD and give it a listen.

Dreamingtree has the pre fm, I downloaded that the other day, and while it wasn't the full show, it was a good listening experience. If the drums are nice and spaced out this release could be gold. Performance wise, even MY throat hurt after Rhyme and Reason... I like this show because it was back in the day when dave actually sang with emotion and wasn't a teleprompter reading automaton

ThememanXX
01-24-2012, 01:44 PM
Eh, too many of the 95 shows sound the same. Red Rocks, IMO, is the show. This one just seems like a waste.

batleon
01-24-2012, 03:57 PM
For the record I don't think an '02 or '04 release would be a slam dunk for me either. At this point we have dozens of live releases so I've gotten pickier about what I'll buy.

ThememanXX
01-24-2012, 04:30 PM
I want anything 98 and newer.

bsan83
01-24-2012, 06:56 PM
Are you people fucking high? This looks great.

MaLaKaS
01-24-2012, 07:10 PM
I didn't listen to every DMBlive, so 1995 is still fresh to me.

CRaShiNtONiCkDMB
01-24-2012, 07:50 PM
eh, i feel like we've been kind of bombarded with 95 shows.

better than being bombarded with new lineup shows

FiddySpence
01-24-2012, 07:57 PM
better than being bombarded with new lineup shows

we haven't been. 2008 we definitely did, but since then? nah...

brian3641
01-24-2012, 08:21 PM
For the record I don't think an '02 or '04 release would be a slam dunk for me either. At this point we have dozens of live releases so I've gotten pickier about what I'll buy.

Buy? What does that mean?

FiddySpence
01-24-2012, 08:30 PM
batleon acting like he's Richie Rich up in here

mja271
01-24-2012, 10:38 PM
I'm sure this will be a good listen and is a good show, but doesn't really tickle my fancy right now. At this point I'm kind of actually in favor of getting more post 2000 shows. Probably just because of the lack of variety in the early days. The shows are great no doubt, but we've had enough releases from the early days to satisfy me and most of the ones that come out now don't really bring much different to the table.

celluloid hero
01-24-2012, 11:11 PM
I'm sure this will be a good listen and is a good show, but doesn't really tickle my fancy right now. At this point I'm kind of actually in favor of getting more post 2000 shows. Probably just because of the lack of variety in the early days. The shows are great no doubt, but we've had enough releases from the early days to satisfy me and most of the ones that come out now don't really bring much different to the table.

Spot on with my thoughts.

MaLaKaS
01-24-2012, 11:17 PM
I understand your guy's points, but once we get a few post 2000 shows, people are going to want 97-99 shows again. I know that this vicious cycle will just keep going on. Sometimes I miss when we only had 2 or 3 official releases because we loved them more.

sean52692
01-25-2012, 01:39 AM
Objectively, it's never bad to get a release from August 1995. Hopefully this is a great show.

batleon
01-25-2012, 07:54 AM
Buy? What does that mean?

batleon acting like he's Richie Rich up in here

Sometimes I wish SOPA would pass (and actually be effective) so I don't have to read posts like this anymore :lol

sdaltons
01-25-2012, 08:08 AM
Sometimes I wish SOPA would pass (and actually be effective) so I don't have to read posts like this anymore :lol
fingers crossed!!!

ThememanXX
01-25-2012, 10:02 AM
Sometimes I wish SOPA would pass (and actually be effective) so I don't have to read posts like this anymore :lol

:rolleyes

batleon
01-25-2012, 11:03 AM
C'mon man I'm obviously joking.

Mitch
01-25-2012, 12:16 PM
Listening to my 2nd show (9.3.95) on DMB Stream now. Would be a better release, IMO. 41 Police, BOWA opener, David Ryan Harris on 4 tunes, Dave and Dionne Farris acoustic Typical. I mean, I'm obviously biased, but no?

Mitch
01-25-2012, 02:55 PM
I have what I'm sure is a stupid question, but whatever, it won't be my first or last. Dan Healy worked the soundboard for this show, but why would that be relevant for this release? If it was a DMBlive, yeah, b/c we'd be getting a straight Healy board. But this was recorded in multi track and isn't it going to be mixed from those tracks now for the release, so isn't the Healy aspect irrelevant as far as the release is concerned?

FiddySpence
01-25-2012, 03:03 PM
i've been wondering the same thing...

ThememanXX
01-25-2012, 03:21 PM
Seems like it's just a 'Fun Fact' from Camp DMB

FiddySpence
01-25-2012, 03:23 PM
but it seems like people in here (and not dumb ones) think the mix is going to be great because of it.

Mitch
01-25-2012, 03:28 PM
right,, I thought I saw people mentioning it like it mattered

holdyouclose
01-25-2012, 03:56 PM
Maybe because people hope it'll sound, mix wise, like RR's 95?

SeekUpAB
01-25-2012, 05:10 PM
Listening to my 2nd show (9.3.95) on DMB Stream now. Would be a better release, IMO. 41 Police, BOWA opener, David Ryan Harris on 4 tunes, Dave and Dionne Farris acoustic Typical. I mean, I'm obviously biased, but no?

Biased or not, that's a great show, a favorite of mine, would make a great release. I'm really waiting for any show with 41 Police at this point. Looking forward to this one, but I understand the lack of excitement from some.

Jack
01-25-2012, 06:56 PM
I don't believe he was working the board. I thought those shows were done separately in a truck. I remeber my unedited Red Rocks '95 sbd being labeled as 'Heally truck mix.'

I'm also not sure dmb was doing full time Multi-track at this point. I know it was done at shows as far back as Floodzone in Jan of 93, but I'm not sure when they started doing 'every' show. I **think** Heally recorded these for the specific purpose of releasing one, which is going to make the source material far superior to what, say, 9/3/95 would have been. He is also a recording master, & even if they aren't using his mix (which I think they are) he certainly would have been more acomplished at recording/mic'ing live shows then bagby would have been after less than 4 years.

It is worth noting they REALLY love 1995 (and for good reason). Remeber they almost released Great Woods '95 too (and probably will at some point). Oddly, while most summer 95 sets are similar, there are some crazy ones. I'm surprised we haven't been thrown one of those.

Also, I'd really love 8/9/95. The interplay of roi & boyd on Eyes is awesome. Though, I'd guess Heally didn't record that one.

FiddySpence
01-25-2012, 07:25 PM
so are you saying that Heally has a mix of this show that's been done for years that they're probably going to use?

Jack
01-25-2012, 08:30 PM
so are you saying that Heally has a mix of this show that's been done for years that they're probably going to use?

Of course. I'm not saying it won't be mastered. But, Dan Heally mixed it.

celluloid hero
01-25-2012, 08:59 PM
I understand your guy's points, but once we get a few post 2000 shows, people are going to want 97-99 shows again. I know that this vicious cycle will just keep going on. Sometimes I miss when we only had 2 or 3 official releases because we loved them more.

We have one show released from 1997 - 1999 in the past 7 years. I don't think it's going to take a few post-2000 shows to want some of these.

What am I saying is if they are going to pick another '95, pick something that is unique. One week before this, there are three shows with Hold Me Down, still no early 41 Police and you don't have just get randomly lucky to pick a show with it. If you look at shows from the beginning of this tour in July until, say, Red Rocks, look at every setlist, you can't say that this ranks in the top 75% of shows you want.

Granted obviously this whole tour is great, I'm sure the show is great. But if you give me a "non-famous" Spring 1998, not nearly as good as this show, I will listen to it and especially highlights WAY more than this '95 show. It's the standard dmb release.

Poth Ead
01-25-2012, 09:43 PM
it's gonna sounds good folks :smoke

a choice set from '98, Sept '00, or '02 would have been pretty nice, though

FiddySpence
01-25-2012, 09:43 PM
Of course. I'm not saying it won't be mastered. But, Dan Heally mixed it.

gotcha, that's what i was confused about.

Mitch
01-25-2012, 10:44 PM
I don't believe he was working the board. I thought those shows were done separately in a truck. I remeber my unedited Red Rocks '95 sbd being labeled as 'Heally truck mix.'

I'm also not sure dmb was doing full time Multi-track at this point. I know it was done at shows as far back as Floodzone in Jan of 93, but I'm not sure when they started doing 'every' show. I **think** Heally recorded these for the specific purpose of releasing one, which is going to make the source material far superior to what, say, 9/3/95 would have been. He is also a recording master, & even if they aren't using his mix (which I think they are) he certainly would have been more acomplished at recording/mic'ing live shows then bagby would have been after less than 4 years.


Ok, that makes sense. So they are essentially mastering, packaging, and selling Healy's truck mix.

MaLaKaS
01-25-2012, 10:54 PM
We have one show released from 1997 - 1999 in the past 7 years. I don't think it's going to take a few post-2000 shows to want some of these.

What am I saying is if they are going to pick another '95, pick something that is unique. One week before this, there are three shows with Hold Me Down, still no early 41 Police and you don't have just get randomly lucky to pick a show with it. If you look at shows from the beginning of this tour in July until, say, Red Rocks, look at every setlist, you can't say that this ranks in the top 75% of shows you want.

Granted obviously this whole tour is great, I'm sure the show is great. But if you give me a "non-famous" Spring 1998, not nearly as good as this show, I will listen to it and especially highlights WAY more than this '95 show. It's the standard dmb release.

I understand your point and I'm sure that those shows will come out in time.

celluloid hero
01-25-2012, 11:04 PM
I understand your point and I'm sure that those shows will come out in time.

If you would've said this in late 2004 it would have been totally logical, you would've been right once in 52(!!) shows (some boxed sets, granted). They've gone through every single Live Trax and DMBlive release, and since Live Trax 1, and they've hit these years - which include three humongous tours, for one show. Not even bonus discs or Warehouse discs have included more than what, 4 songs from these years? I don't share your confidence.

inmytree
01-25-2012, 11:34 PM
They're going to be milking this stuff for a LONG time to come. I'm sure all the time periods will be represented in the years to come.

Besides, in terms of this being the "standard DMB release", I'm not sure there's anything we don't have. I mean, sure, there's a song here and there, but they're not Dylan or Neil Young with hundreds of unreleased songs; the catalog just isn't that large. You can mark the transitions in how they played, but I feel like the well is pretty much tapped in terms of big surprises.

FiddySpence
01-25-2012, 11:41 PM
agreed

Crush87
01-25-2012, 11:45 PM
I don't believe he was working the board. I thought those shows were done separately in a truck. I remeber my unedited Red Rocks '95 sbd being labeled as 'Heally truck mix.'

I'm also not sure dmb was doing full time Multi-track at this point. I know it was done at shows as far back as Floodzone in Jan of 93, but I'm not sure when they started doing 'every' show. I **think** Heally recorded these for the specific purpose of releasing one, which is going to make the source material far superior to what, say, 9/3/95 would have been. He is also a recording master, & even if they aren't using his mix (which I think they are) he certainly would have been more acomplished at recording/mic'ing live shows then bagby would have been after less than 4 years.

It is worth noting they REALLY love 1995 (and for good reason). Remeber they almost released Great Woods '95 too (and probably will at some point). Oddly, while most summer 95 sets are similar, there are some crazy ones. I'm surprised we haven't been thrown one of those.

Also, I'd really love 8/9/95. The interplay of roi & boyd on Eyes is awesome. Though, I'd guess Heally didn't record that one.

That's correct, he was mixing down live from a separate truck.

Full-time multitracking didn't start until 4/30/96

The Eyes show was 8/11 and yes we need it, along with 8/20 (one of the VERY FEW shows out there that I think rivals Red Rocks). 4/7 is another '95 show that on paper would trump this release, but as has been said, you can't complain about any '95 show getting a release - it was their best year in history. DMB is just straight up not creative in their picking. We get gems and "right calls" every now and then but they just don't seem to nitpick the truly unique shows. What can you do...

Excited about another Healy mix

celluloid hero
01-25-2012, 11:49 PM
They're going to be milking this stuff for a LONG time to come. I'm sure all the time periods will be represented in the years to come.

Besides, in terms of this being the "standard DMB release", I'm not sure there's anything we don't have. I mean, sure, there's a song here and there, but they're not Dylan or Neil Young with hundreds of unreleased songs; the catalog just isn't that large. You can mark the transitions in how they played, but I feel like the well is pretty much tapped in terms of big surprises.

There is an absolute ton of tours with 1 or 0 releases. Zero Dave and Tim from 1996 - 1999 in the last 13 years. People born the day you went to Media Play or Musicland to get Live at Luther can drive in less than 3 years. I am not just looking at setlists. Of course we're going to get the same songs. But to me, the shows are very different from tour to tour. Mood, lineup, guests, reworkings... Songs evolve from year to year and I'd rather take one song each year from 4 different years, then have 4 great, but barely distinguishable versions of the same song.

Crush87
01-26-2012, 12:00 AM
Besides, in terms of this being the "standard DMB release", I'm not sure there's anything we don't have. I mean, sure, there's a song here and there, but they're not Dylan or Neil Young with hundreds of unreleased songs; the catalog just isn't that large. You can mark the transitions in how they played, but I feel like the well is pretty much tapped in terms of big surprises.

Disagreed. I think there are plenty things we don't have. Unique gigs - Dave & Boyd playing a Blockbuster store in '95 (there's a gorgeous #40 there), full band acoustic at the Academy in NY that year, Dave Roi and Stefan 10/15/94. Hey, there's an idea for a release - compile that sort of stuff together. Not everything has to be a 3 hour complete show. Or one-off Dave and Tim shows that are really special like 11/7/94 at Irving Plaza or the July '97 show with the first Spoon (different lyrics, mind you)

Not to mention a slew of soundchecks/rehearsals that we don't even know about. One has to assume all this stuff will come out in due time, but I'm always reminded of that one Warehouse guest disc that was supposed to be "guest" theme and more than half was Butch "sit-ins." Sadly that's the sort of attention to detail I expect from them.

This isn't a knock on LT 21, just for the sake of discussion...

Crush87
01-26-2012, 12:02 AM
Beat me to it, Celluloid. Agreed completely

FiddySpence
01-26-2012, 12:10 AM
that's all true, but i think he was just talking about songs. he's right in that regard.

plus, how many of those unique shows are there really? maybe 20? probably less? i don't necessarily mind that truly fantastic or unique shows are spread out pretty far for releases, otherwise wouldn't they burn through it in a few years?

i could be off base though.

and i see the soundcheck stuff brought up a lot. it would be cool i guess, but sometimes it seems like people count it against them that they don't release that stuff. that seems strange to me, releasing soundcheck performances is something i've never seen a band do before. there's no reason for that to even be on their radar imo

celluloid hero
01-26-2012, 12:16 AM
Spencer,

I think it's important that it's not just about songs. I'm not a fan and looks at a setlist and just judges it. I am fine with getting a show full of songs that have been released 30 times. I know the nature of their setlist rotation and it's too late for me to be bothered by that. But I think that's what makes it so important to get shows that are spread out so those same songs stand out and give you reason to listen to it.

Crush87
01-26-2012, 12:17 AM
that's all true, but i think he was just talking about songs. he's right in that regard.

plus, how many of those unique shows are there really? maybe 20? probably less? i don't necessarily mind that truly fantastic or unique shows are spread out pretty far for releases, otherwise wouldn't they burn through it in a few years?

i could be off base though.

and i see the soundcheck stuff brought up a lot. it would be cool i guess, but sometimes it seems like people count it against them that they don't release that stuff. that seems strange to me, releasing soundcheck performances is something i've never seen a band do before. there's no reason for that to even be on their radar imo

He's right that DMB =/= Bob Dylan with respect to the amount of material and the different incarnations of songs but for example...take #36. We've heard it in '94 and '95 a bunch, what about '98? Nope. What about '97 D&T with Stefan and Popper? That's good shit. Why is that not on a Warehouse disc? I think that's what Celluloid is speaking to. There are surprises out there, you just have to dig for them. They're not simply just spreading this stuff out, they're passing it right over IMO.

As far as soundchecks go, some are shit and some are not. Some bands do release the good stuff (Warehouse disc, again, is a great opportunity for that). There's a reason why they're all taped...

FiddySpence
01-26-2012, 12:17 AM
Spencer,

I think it's important that it's not just about songs. I'm not a fan and looks at a setlist and just judges it. I am fine with getting a show full of songs that have been released 30 times. I know the nature of their setlist rotation and it's too late for me to be bothered by that. But I think that's what makes it so important to get shows that are spread out so those same songs stand out and give you reason to listen to it.

oh i also agreed with your original post about wanting shows from different eras. absolutely.

i was more commenting on the idea that they don't release "unique" shows often enough. which, maybe they could stand to do so more often, but i just think there's really not THAT many out there left, so...

FiddySpence
01-26-2012, 12:21 AM
He's right that DMB =/= Bob Dylan with respect to the amount of material and the different incarnations of songs but for example...take #36. We've heard it in '94 and '95 a bunch, what about '98? Nope. What about '97 D&T with Stefan and Popper? That's good shit. Why is that not on a Warehouse disc? I think that's what Celluloid is speaking to. There are surprises out there, you just have to dig for them. They're not simply just spreading this stuff out, they're passing it right over IMO.

As far as soundchecks go, some are shit and some are not. Some bands do release the good stuff (Warehouse disc, again, is a great opportunity for that).

i definitely see what you're saying. but i don' think it's fair to say they're passing this stuff over simply because it hasn't been released YET. i mean, maybe they just want to put out stuff like the LT20 show every other year or so. like i said, if every other release was shows like that or the D&T&stefan show they'd burn through it all in like 3 years. same with putting that stuff on warehouse discs, though i do agree that they could do much better with those.

"there's a reason they're all taped"

yeah, so the band can go back and work on ideas. not so we can hear what is essentially private rehearsals. at least, that's how i assume they look at it. and how most acts look at it.

inmytree
01-26-2012, 12:23 AM
I mean, yeah, if you get down into the extreme particulars, there's always going to be little nuggets, and if one's upset that those shows/songs aren't being released, then that criticism will always exist; even with a constant Live Trax/DMBLive schedule, they're not going to cover everything.

I was speaking in broad strokes, that there's really not that much there in terms of major periods of DMB's history that haven't been covered. There are variances in terms of performances, guests, etc., but they've generally been playing the same songs in relatively similar ways for their time period.

celluloid hero
01-26-2012, 12:36 AM
I mean, yeah, if you get down into the extreme particulars, there's always going to be little nuggets, and if one's upset that those shows/songs aren't being released, then that criticism will always exist; even with a constant Live Trax/DMBLive schedule, they're not going to cover everything.

I was speaking in broad strokes, that there's really not that much there in terms of major periods of DMB's history that haven't been covered. There are variances in terms of performances, guests, etc., but they've generally been playing the same songs in relatively similar ways for their time period.

I would obviously love a song like Hold Me Down, but really I'm not even looking for the nugget, I'll take another Nancies from a different year. But I really disagree about major periods not being covered.

God bless Live at Luther, but that was fifth of almost 80 D&T shows over three years that includes 2 album releases and very different shows and chemistry growth between Dave & Tim. One release from 1997, two releases from 1998 - both within 2 weeks of each other. That year there were two other tours and every month's shows had a totally different sound as the BTCS songs grew. The only show from 1999 is a gimmick show. 2001 has ladies and not, one release, 10 years ago. 2002 had two tours, they released three shows that were a coda to the tour. 2003's only release is a gimmick show. Seemingly every release from 2006 on (2008 excluded) are gimmick shows that are hardly representative of the tours.

FiddySpence
01-26-2012, 01:02 AM
2001, 2006 and 2007 can stay that way.

but i see what you're saying.

i'm just not a "want a tour represented just to have it documented" type of guy.

celluloid hero
01-26-2012, 09:10 AM
2001, 2006 and 2007 can stay that way.

but i see what you're saying.

i'm just not a "want a tour represented just to have it documented" type of guy.

I didn't get this way until we started getting past 50 shows, then waiting 10 months for another Live Trax that really isn't all that different from recent dmblive and LT5 shows. I have different priorities at this point than I used to have.

batleon
01-26-2012, 10:13 AM
Just finished listening to the pre-FM source for this. Sounds as good as any other '95 show and if I didn't already have 3 fully mixed '95 shows in my collection I'd consider it. But for now I'll pass. They have 10 more months to put out something I will like. I'm sure they'll do it. I've never skipped a calendar year without at least one release I've been sure to pick up and keep.

I understand their need to spread the good shit out. I am fully aware that the stuff I want the most (like 12/3/98) is probably years away from being released (perfect show to cash in on once the band hangs it up). As long as I get one or two good ones a year I'm not going to bash the filler like this LT. I just won't get it.

batleon
01-26-2012, 10:15 AM
And for the record if this is "filler" it's not such a bad thing. If you're the kind of person who's compelled to get everything there are worse releases than this to spend your money on. A lot of the stuff in the past few years has looked the same, sure, but I don't think they've put out a really "bad" release in a long time now.

ThememanXX
01-26-2012, 10:18 AM
Live Trax 22 would be awesome as a 4-disc (or so) two-show set from The Woodlands in 2000. Final answer, Regis.

Night One:

JTR
Rhyme & Reason
Satellite
Granny
Tripping Billies
Busted Stuff
Crash
Watchtower
Grace Is Gone
Don't Drink the Water *
#41 ~
Grey Street
What Would You Say
______________

Digging a Ditch
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel


Night Two:

The Stone
The Best of What's Around
So Much to Say :segue
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Too Much [fake] :segue
Ants Marching
Bartender
Raven
Song That Jane Likes :segue
One Sweet World
Drive In Drive Out
Lie in Our Graves *
Jimi Thing ~
Grey Street
Too Much
______________

I'll Back You Up
JTR


* - Bela Fleck
~ - Bela Fleck, Jeff Coffin, Futureman and Victor Wooten

batleon
01-26-2012, 11:12 AM
Also, for those who like to debate about the teleprompter, Dave botches the LLD lyrics during this show :lol

Waka Jawaka
01-26-2012, 12:07 PM
I'd rather hear Dave botch some lyrics, instead of squinting down at the teleprompter during a song just so he can "get the words right". :wtf

sdaltons
01-26-2012, 12:09 PM
I'd rather hear Dave botch some lyrics, instead of squinting down at the teleprompter during a song just so he can "get the words right". :wtf
it really bothers you where dave looks when he sings?

inmytree
01-26-2012, 12:20 PM
I'd rather them try the song with the prompter than not do it.

This is one of the stranger things people have had an issue with, IMO.

Mitch
01-26-2012, 12:22 PM
I have no issue with the prompter. I'd rather him get the lyrics right.

sdaltons
01-26-2012, 12:27 PM
yeah the whole argument is crazy to me. i mean since the teleprompter first reared its ugly head, i feel like they've randomly tried way more songs then they used to

celluloid hero
01-26-2012, 12:50 PM
Not like it matters here, but the teleprompter has really taken away from Say Goodbye, my favorite song. It's not even the improv lyrics being gone that bothers me so much. You can tell that he's reading them by listening to them. He has no natural cadence because he's no longer singing by feel. He'll start a line, and because he's reading, he'll start slow then when he realizes he's not going fast enough and the line isn't going to fit, he's got to speed up. The flow of the song is pretty much wrecked now. Again, this isn't even mentioning the fact that there hasn't been one memorable line in the song in about 5 years. But it's worth it to me to get some different songs.

When I am at a concert, I certainly notice that he's barely moving on stage so he can keep his head perfectly still and squint-stare at the monitor like he's fooling everyone. It gets to the point where he looks down for songs like Nancies like 10 times. An important piece of his unique energy is gone because the prompter went from bridge to crutch.

But overall, I'm fine with it. I'm just not going to say it only has positive impact, because it doesn't. That being said, get some lyrics for songs like Sweet Up, Kit Kat and Blackjack because random unintelligible words surrounded by two lines that are the same every version is not good stuff to me. He relies on it so much except for when he doesn't truly need it. Then he goes to babyspeak.

inmytree
01-26-2012, 12:59 PM
To be honest, I don't even know how anyone at a show could notice if he glances down at the prompter. I get it if his eyes are glued to the thing the whole time, but other than that?

I was also under the impression that the thing in general was barely used, but maybe that's wrong.

celluloid hero
01-26-2012, 01:10 PM
To be honest, I don't even know how anyone at a show could notice if he glances down at the prompter. I get it if his eyes are glued to the thing the whole time, but other than that?

I was also under the impression that the thing in general was barely used, but maybe that's wrong.

During a lot of songs, they are glued to it whenever there are lyrics, no exaggeration. You can really see it on webcasts too. Not just your rare songs either. I guess call it a drawback of having day one seniority and sitting close most of the time. Champagne Problems...

inmytree
01-26-2012, 01:21 PM
If he's glaring at the prompter whenever there's lyrics, including stuff like Ants, Too Much etc., then it's beyond laziness. His brain must be fried.

ggies
01-26-2012, 01:30 PM
You can tell that he's reading them by listening to them. He has no natural cadence because he's no longer singing by feel. He'll start a line, and because he's reading, he'll start slow then when he realizes he's not going fast enough and the line isn't going to fit, he's got to speed up. The flow of the song is pretty much wrecked now. Again, this isn't even mentioning the fact that there hasn't been one memorable line in the song in about 5 years. But it's worth it to me to get some different songs.

When I am at a concert, I certainly notice that he's barely moving on stage so he can keep his head perfectly still and squint-stare at the monitor like he's fooling everyone. It gets to the point where he looks down for songs like Nancies like 10 times. An important piece of his unique energy is gone because the prompter went from bridge to crutch.



And there it is. The reason why I hate it's use and why others should too.

FiddySpence
01-26-2012, 02:20 PM
don't speak for anyone but yourself.

Poth Ead
01-26-2012, 02:23 PM
I like that idea of LT22 being 2-night set like the Woodlands '00 example. Or, perhaps MSG '98? :nod

Fan#41
01-26-2012, 09:18 PM
He's right that DMB =/= Bob Dylan with respect to the amount of material and the different incarnations of songs but for example...take #36. We've heard it in '94 and '95 a bunch, what about '98? Nope. What about '97 D&T with Stefan and Popper? That's good shit. Why is that not on a Warehouse disc? I think that's what Celluloid is speaking to. There are surprises out there, you just have to dig for them. They're not simply just spreading this stuff out, they're passing it right over IMO.

As far as soundchecks go, some are shit and some are not. Some bands do release the good stuff (Warehouse disc, again, is a great opportunity for that). There's a reason why they're all taped...

Soundchecks are taped for the band, not for potential release material. Everything else, I agree.

But I just don't find myself as down on this as others. It's fucking August 1995 for christ's sake. And yes, this does sound different than 8/19/95. And as Jack mentioned, the crew and management love this year and share the same sentiment as some of us by thinking this was one of the greatest month's ever for the band. RR '95, LT 5, 8/31/95 Minarets on the Best Of, Lover Lay Down from 8/17/95 as a WH5 selection, and now 8/4.

But again, I agree with what Frank is saying as far as selections, even single song selections that could be made without having to go too overboard with unique stuff.

Fan#41
01-26-2012, 09:19 PM
Live Trax 22 would be awesome as a 4-disc (or so) two-show set from The Woodlands in 2000. Final answer, Regis.

Night One:

JTR
Rhyme & Reason
Satellite
Granny
Tripping Billies
Busted Stuff
Crash
Watchtower
Grace Is Gone
Don't Drink the Water *
#41 ~
Grey Street
What Would You Say
______________

Digging a Ditch
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel


Night Two:

The Stone
The Best of What's Around
So Much to Say :segue
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Too Much [fake] :segue
Ants Marching
Bartender
Raven
Song That Jane Likes :segue
One Sweet World
Drive In Drive Out
Lie in Our Graves *
Jimi Thing ~
Grey Street
Too Much
______________

I'll Back You Up
JTR


* - Bela Fleck
~ - Bela Fleck, Jeff Coffin, Futureman and Victor Wooten


While the audience recordings are fantastic, I wouldn't complain one bit.

FiddySpence
01-26-2012, 09:21 PM
Soundchecks are taped for the band, not for potential release material. Everything else, I agree.



yep.

MaLaKaS
01-26-2012, 09:47 PM
Another new name Spencer?

FiddySpence
01-26-2012, 09:48 PM
final one.

first two were shenanigans out of my control

celluloid hero
01-26-2012, 09:50 PM
While the audience recordings are fantastic, I wouldn't complain one bit.

Yours are fantastic? Mine are pretty rough.

Fan#41
01-26-2012, 09:53 PM
For 9/15 and 9/16/00? Yeah they sound great. Most of those September recordings are great. Some are a TAD bit low, but both woodland recordings sound as good as 9/10 or 9/2.

Jack
01-26-2012, 10:19 PM
Scambro repeater feeds FTW!

celluloid hero
01-26-2012, 10:32 PM
For 9/15 and 9/16/00? Yeah they sound great. Most of those September recordings are great. Some are a TAD bit low, but both woodland recordings sound as good as 9/10 or 9/2.

He's saying Woodlands, you're saying Dallas dates. And the Dallas shows sound great. So I want to make I'm reading this right.

Fan#41
01-26-2012, 11:47 PM
I was thinking of Smirnoff Center 9/15 and 9/16/00, and just said woodlands.

ggies
01-27-2012, 07:57 AM
I was thinking of Smirnoff Center 9/15 and 9/16/00, and just said woodlands.

Just listened to Seek Up again from 9/16 and although Roi's solo at the end isn't some explosion of music like Jeff, it's silky and smooth.

Fan#41
01-27-2012, 06:14 PM
Boyd is also really noteworthy on that Seek Up. Man did he have some good shows in August and September that year. What a turn-around from '98/'99.

greykitkat36
01-28-2012, 03:55 AM
Looks like it'll be an awesome release, my only quip with it is that we have a lot of good versions of these songs on other '95 releases.

ThememanXX
01-30-2012, 10:48 AM
I think I've come around on this one after watching those Farm Aid '95 videos. The more music, the better, and we know this is good music.

raven
01-30-2012, 11:57 AM
Not like it matters here, but the teleprompter has really taken away from Say Goodbye, my favorite song. It's not even the improv lyrics being gone that bothers me so much. You can tell that he's reading them by listening to them. He has no natural cadence because he's no longer singing by feel. He'll start a line, and because he's reading, he'll start slow then when he realizes he's not going fast enough and the line isn't going to fit, he's got to speed up. The flow of the song is pretty much wrecked now. Again, this isn't even mentioning the fact that there hasn't been one memorable line in the song in about 5 years. But it's worth it to me to get some different songs.

When I am at a concert, I certainly notice that he's barely moving on stage so he can keep his head perfectly still and squint-stare at the monitor like he's fooling everyone. It gets to the point where he looks down for songs like Nancies like 10 times. An important piece of his unique energy is gone because the prompter went from bridge to crutch.

But overall, I'm fine with it. I'm just not going to say it only has positive impact, because it doesn't. That being said, get some lyrics for songs like Sweet Up, Kit Kat and Blackjack because random unintelligible words surrounded by two lines that are the same every version is not good stuff to me. He relies on it so much except for when he doesn't truly need it. Then he goes to babyspeak.

Great point.. never thought of it this way

raven
01-30-2012, 11:58 AM
I think I've come around on this one after watching those Farm Aid '95 videos. The more music, the better, and we know this is good music.

:upyours

Poth Ead
02-09-2012, 01:38 PM
Any thoughts about the Billies and R&R tracks on their FB page? The mix doesn't really sound similar to Red Rocks, imo

Jack
02-09-2012, 01:45 PM
no fb. Haven't heard them.

NiCK Crush
02-09-2012, 01:48 PM
fight the machine, Jack.

FiddySpence
02-09-2012, 01:49 PM
fb shouldn't be used by people over 40 anyway

Jack
02-09-2012, 03:26 PM
fight the machine, Jack.

Friendster forever.

fb shouldn't be used by people over 40 anyway

Well, I'm sure I won't be using facebook in 8 years either.

FiddySpence
02-09-2012, 03:27 PM
you mean you don't look like your avatar?

Mitch
02-09-2012, 03:41 PM
fb shouldn't be used by people over 40 anyway

:oar

Jack
02-09-2012, 05:21 PM
you mean you don't look like your avatar?

no more than you yours.

ethaxton
02-20-2012, 06:47 AM
Does this come out tomorrow? Kinda forgot about it

Edit: nm, next week

MaLaKaS
02-20-2012, 10:10 PM
I think I'm gonna order this one. The set looks fabulous.

raven
02-23-2012, 10:52 AM
ships tmw :)

Jack
02-23-2012, 06:29 PM
Just ordered this bitch. Was surprised not to hear much talk about the Sister bonus track.

MaLaKaS
02-23-2012, 07:17 PM
Huh?

raven
02-24-2012, 11:38 AM
Just ordered this bitch. Was surprised not to hear much talk about the Sister bonus track.

joke? hopefully

Jack
02-24-2012, 06:48 PM
Yes. Joke.

FiddySpence
02-24-2012, 07:07 PM
i'm sorry you even had to point that out

Jack
02-24-2012, 07:19 PM
People get frazzled during the request period, I guess.

JWood
02-24-2012, 10:59 PM
Just ordered this bitch. Was surprised not to hear much talk about the Sister bonus track.

the '94 Sister would've made more sense.

dancetheham
02-27-2012, 03:33 PM
Got mine today. I find it interesting that they give Don't Burn the Pig the same credits/copyright info as they give Pig (which they have been calling DBTP lately). I.e., it has a 1998 copyright date in this.

raven
02-27-2012, 04:14 PM
Got mine today. I find it interesting that they give Don't Burn the Pig the same credits/copyright info as they give Pig (which they have been calling DBTP lately). I.e., it has a 1998 copyright date in this.
Hm yeah that is interesting. Hopefully mine comes soon as well.. I'm itching to hear this

soright05
02-27-2012, 06:22 PM
Can you download this yet? On dmband.com

LIOGwhat
02-27-2012, 07:24 PM
dmblive.com says that downloads will be available on the 28th

NiCK Crush
02-28-2012, 10:26 AM
I think I'm just gonna wait to buy this at a show.

raven
02-28-2012, 11:13 AM
Mine says delivery on Thursday. The waiting game sucks. Hopefully the mp3s pop up somewhere today to hold me over

JWood
02-28-2012, 11:53 AM
MP3s have already "popped" what, I mean up. I'm just waiting for some nice digital download flac

FiddySpence
02-28-2012, 12:20 PM
I think I'm just gonna wait to download this for free and save 20 dollars for something worth 20 dollars.

.

Poth Ead
02-28-2012, 12:40 PM
i'm lookin forward to hearing Don't Burn The Pig

raven
02-28-2012, 02:21 PM
I have physical copies of all of their cds except the Wrigley Box Set.. would feel weird not buying it

JWood
02-28-2012, 02:23 PM
I used to do that, but I really only still buy physical studio albums and vinyl.

soright05
02-28-2012, 02:36 PM
Nobody reporting on this yet?


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Poth Ead
02-28-2012, 03:28 PM
I really don't see this release getting a lot of chatter... I mean, it's definately a nice addition to LiveTrax, but there were other shows that would of excited the fan base since we have quite a few '95's already

TheNoise
02-28-2012, 03:38 PM
starting listening this AM on the commute, sounds good. kind of just feels like red rocks without tim... which, isn't extremely exciting to me.

raven
02-28-2012, 04:00 PM
I really don't see this release getting a lot of chatter... I mean, it's definately a nice addition to LiveTrax, but there were other shows that would of excited the fan base since we have quite a few '95's already

6.8.97, 12.2.98, 12.3.98 or fall 2000 w/ Flecktones would be nice. First choice would be 6.8.97

roshea999
02-28-2012, 04:01 PM
starting listening this AM on the commute, sounds good. kind of just feels like red rocks without tim... which, isn't extremely exciting to me.

Tim is so perfect on red rocks. Love what he is doing in the background.

Mitch
02-28-2012, 06:06 PM
I'm only through Warehouse, but the release kicks ass, as was expected.

And the mix does a good job of conveying that this is a more intimate venue than Red Rocks.

K270
02-28-2012, 06:29 PM
Mine says delivery on Thursday. The waiting game sucks. Hopefully the mp3s pop up somewhere today to hold me over

Mine said delivery on Thursday also. The tracking report says it's 40 miles away. Went to my P.O. Box today and to my shock it was there waiting for me. So much for the tracking report.

TheNoise
02-28-2012, 06:37 PM
i will always take a jammed Recently compared to a short Recently with water/wine or other segue. Recently jam is the best.

brian3641
02-29-2012, 12:56 AM
starting listening this AM on the commute, sounds good. kind of just feels like red rocks without tim... which, isn't extremely exciting to me.

I just started listening and this is pretty much what I'm thinking. Not a horrible release, but nothing exciting. But, again, I'm just a couple songs in.

cryfreedom09
02-29-2012, 10:53 AM
I'm only through Warehouse, but the release kicks ass, as was expected.

And the mix does a good job of conveying that this is a more intimate venue than Red Rocks.

I'm with you Mitch. Loving this release so much. There's not a weak track on there and it is a near perfect mix.

raven
02-29-2012, 11:35 AM
I'm only through Warehouse, but the release kicks ass, as was expected.

And the mix does a good job of conveying that this is a more intimate venue than Red Rocks.

I'm with you Mitch. Loving this release so much. There's not a weak track on there and it is a near perfect mix.
:upyours
Definitely.. It sounds so crisp and you can tell that it's a small room. We've been hoping for some summer '95 shows for a while and this is a great example why.

SonofSuns34
02-29-2012, 11:42 AM
up to Dancing Nancies so far. IMO this is a solid release and that you can definitely tell is a small venue. Dave's voice is great and the mix is spot on. While this isn't a "blow your mind" release, it is worthy of getting out there...

ggies
02-29-2012, 12:14 PM
Pig has always been one of my favorite songs, but Carter's groove on this version is just sweet.

Poth Ead
02-29-2012, 02:52 PM
I'm enjoying the release although I'm not sure how often I'll turn to this Live Trax

The overall band performance is great and Dave's vocals are strong... DBTP is better here than Warfield, imo. Seek Up, Nancies and Warehouse are highlights... definately nice to get another Seek Up from summer '95 :upyours

Mitch
02-29-2012, 03:56 PM
The overall band performance is great and Dave's vocals are strong... DBTP is better here than Warfield, imo. Seek Up, Nancies and Warehouse are highlights... definately nice to get another Seek Up from summer '95 :upyours

I think Recently and Jimi are, too...

The best way to sum it up, IMO, is that the release is great and I will definitely revisit at times when I'm in the mood for a sweet '95 show (as I often am), but now that I've listened to it once or twice, I'm done with it for now. It's not something I'm gonna keep spinning for the next couple of weeks.

Tomacco
02-29-2012, 06:30 PM
Think this is a one-and-done for me. Just way too much like so many previous releases. DBTP is pretty boring, imo, and is the only unusual thing about this show.

Mersh
02-29-2012, 06:34 PM
This is a decent show, but same could be said for many 95 shows. Nice setlist and while most of the songs are performed pretty well there is nothing that will blow anyone away here. Shows starts a little shaky IMO...the Seek Up is kind of meh and the Proudest is pretty boring. The show does get better after that, but again nothing spectacular...middle of the pack. To be clear, this isn't bitching or complaining...you could do much worse and overall it is a decent listen, but not a top LT.

Just my thoughts, for whatever they are worth. Hope we see a real classic next time around...it has been quite some time since we have seen one in this series.

Mersh
02-29-2012, 06:36 PM
oh and nice DIDO.

MaLaKaS
02-29-2012, 08:17 PM
Going to have to get around to this soon.

TheNoise
02-29-2012, 08:19 PM
oh and nice DIDO.

carter is insane. god, he's playing so fast.

Poth Ead
03-01-2012, 12:00 AM
I hope they announce Live Trax Vol. 22 sooner than later :lol