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Derek
11-13-2013, 02:55 PM
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In May 2010, Dave Matthews Band announced that they would take a break from touring the following year for the first time in 20 years. With the break looming, the last two hometown shows on November 19-20, 2010 at John Paul Jones Arena in Charlottesville, VA became two of the most anticipated in the band's history. Both shows met all expectations! We are proud to release the first night of this epic weekend in its entirety as 3-CD set, and for the first time in the Live Trax series, as a DVD/3-CD set as well. This is the First Live Trax mixed in surround sound and is available now for pre-order. All pre-orders receive a special limited edition bonus disc featuring the best songs from night two of these historic shows.

Please note - Live Trax 28 is available for pre-order and will ship on or around Dec 13, 2013.

Highlights of the first night in Charlottesville include three special guests. Frequent guest Joe Lawlor sits in on electric guitar during #41. Longtime contributor and friend John D'Earth guests on Warehouse and Trombone Shorty joins John and the band on Jimi Thing. Other setlist highlights include rarity Spoon, played for the first time in over two years, and one of only three full band versions spanning late-2003 to Summer Tour 2013. This Spoon is one of the longest and widely considered, most famous versions performed to date. Blackjack is the first full version we have released to-date. The show has a seasonal flavor with performances of Christmas Song and the show-closer and complete surprise - Halloween. Neither song was planned that night.

Pre-order the 3-CD or 3-CD/DVD combo. All pre-orders will receive a copy of the JPJ Extended Bonus Disc while supplies last!

ThememanXX
11-13-2013, 02:57 PM
Okay, now this I can get behind.

And yeah....a DVD and a bonus disc!

Disc 1

1. Squirm
2. Big Eyed Fish>
3. Still Water>
4. Don't Drink the Water
5. Seven
6. Grey Street
7. Spaceman
8. Everyday
9. #41

Disc 2

1. Shake Me Like a Monkey
2. Spoon
3. Warehouse
4. Jimi Thing
5. Blackjack
6. Christmas Song
7. Lie In Our Graves

Disc 3

1. Time Bomb
2. You and Me
3. Stay (Wasting Time)
4. Sister
5. All Along the Watchtower
6. Halloween



Bonus Disc:

1. You Might Die Trying
2. Proudest Monkey>
3. Satellite
4. Say Goodbye
5. Song That Jane Likes
6. Why I Am
7. Granny
8. Last Stop

willndmb
11-13-2013, 03:04 PM
No bluray, come on

ThememanXX
11-13-2013, 03:04 PM
Tunes not included, played N2:

Funny
Rhyme
Eh Hee
Crush
Can't Stop
Corn Bread
Ditch
Hands of God
Write a Song
Nancies
Veil
What You Are
Two Step
Some Devil
(#40)
ASTB :segue
Ants

ThememanXX
11-13-2013, 03:05 PM
No bluray, come on

My first thought. Then I realized that this is a great release and I was probably being unreasonable.

gweeps
11-13-2013, 03:10 PM
Was there something wrong with Night 2 or are they simply holding it in reserve for some other year?

Poth Ead
11-13-2013, 03:13 PM
Nice pick :smoke
...and I dig the bonus cd selections

ggies
11-13-2013, 03:15 PM
meh. 2010 was not a good year to me. and no blu-ray? :whatever

ThememanXX
11-13-2013, 03:16 PM
I'm thinking it has more to do with length of show. That second night was 3 hours long or something insane.

Also, by comparison:

LT27 has:
Bartender
Crush
Stay or Leave
Gravedigger
Two Step (Time Bomb)
Some Devil
Ants Marching


LT28 has:
Still Water
Spaceman
Shake Me Like a Monkey
Spoon
Warehouse
Blackjack
Christmas Song
Lie In Our Graves
Stay
Sister
Watchtower
Halloween
You Might Die Trying
Say Goodbye
Song That Jane Likes
Granny
Last Stop

willndmb
11-13-2013, 03:16 PM
My first thought. Then I realized that this is a great release and I was probably being unreasonable.

Great release I agree
Just saying in today's world to have dvd only seems silly

abw123
11-13-2013, 03:19 PM
Another 2010? N2 looks better to me.

abw123
11-13-2013, 03:20 PM
Not a fan of the bonus disc that's a half show. Just release both full shows, please, and charge me another $10.00.

Rowsdower
11-13-2013, 03:23 PM
The second night was way better...why did they pick just the first night?

SonofSuns34
11-13-2013, 03:28 PM
truth be told, kinda disappointed in this due to sheer 2010 overload (Montage Mountain 3 discs, Wrigley Field 4 discs, Live in New York 3 Discs, Live Trax 27 3 discs)

going to have 16 discs worth of 2010 material! 17 if you count the JPJ Encore and Live in New york Encore...

ggies
11-13-2013, 03:31 PM
truth be told, kinda disappointed in this due to sheer 2010 overload (Montage Mountain 3 discs, Wrigley Field 4 discs, Live in New York 3 Discs, Live Trax 27 3 discs)

going to have 16 discs worth of 2010 material! 17 if you count the JPJ Encore and Live in New york Encore...

yep. If they're going to overload, do it on a year like 2004 or 2008.

Caveat Emperor
11-13-2013, 03:34 PM
This was my wife's first DMB show -- we were dating long-distance and we met up in C'Ville to go to both nights.

She waited in line with me on N2, drinking beer outside the venue, waiting for the doors to open so that I could score that night's poster. They split us up into men's and women's lines so that we could be patted down on the way in, and she got in a full 10 people ahead of me. When I got in, the merch stands were swamped and I was about 5 rows of people back from the front. An instant later, she emerged from the crowd with the poster, literally seconds before it sold out. Kinda the moment I knew that this girl might be worth keeping around long-term.

Don't know how the shows hold up (I remember the segue from Watchtower to Halloween as being badass), but this weekend was one of the best of my life. Had a blast, hung out with some good friends, and saw two shows that I remember as being outstanding and fun.

TheNoise
11-13-2013, 03:34 PM
video is nice. but yeah, bluray, come on.

Rowsdower
11-13-2013, 03:35 PM
I'm still holding my breath for another damn 2002 release.

JimBeam41
11-13-2013, 03:36 PM
I'll end up buying this cause it was a good show. But I have to admit, I was hoping for a newer show with the AFTW songs on it, I never would have thought it'd be this tough to get a new release with the new songs.

sdaltons
11-13-2013, 03:37 PM
2012 or 2013 would have been nice but this looks decent. i'm in.

abw123
11-13-2013, 03:37 PM
Need more '98, '99, '00, '04 and would love some '13 with the new tunes.

SonofSuns34
11-13-2013, 03:40 PM
Although the 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound mix does have me intrigued...

Caveat Emperor
11-13-2013, 03:42 PM
Unless I'm forgetting something, this is the first release of a "full" Blackjack.

Not that it's a selling point of the disc, though.

SeekUpAB
11-13-2013, 03:43 PM
Looks pretty decent. DVD is a nice surprise and it looks like good selections on the bonus disc.

batleon
11-13-2013, 03:45 PM
We knew Cville '10 was going to get released some day. But N1 over N2? That's a surprise.

celluloid hero
11-13-2013, 03:50 PM
When you are making this choice, you never know what you hear on a sbd that you don't hear on an AUD (Boyd). Obviously they felt similar because they're giving us a bonus disc for the first time. But picking the show with a DVD, the decision was not made randomly and they feel it's the better show.

abw123
11-13-2013, 03:52 PM
How were the guest spots on these shows?

Aparker507
11-13-2013, 03:53 PM
Wish they had just a CD/dvd/jacket option

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drummerkrf
11-13-2013, 03:55 PM
How many of those in attendance left when they started into Watchtower?

Mitch
11-13-2013, 04:02 PM
She waited in line with me on N2, drinking beer outside the venue, waiting for the doors to open so that I could score that night's poster. They split us up into men's and women's lines so that we could be patted down on the way in, and she got in a full 10 people ahead of me. When I got in, the merch stands were swamped and I was about 5 rows of people back from the front. An instant later, she emerged from the crowd with the poster, literally seconds before it sold out. Kinda the moment I knew that this girl might be worth keeping around long-term.



:upyours:upyours

celluloid hero
11-13-2013, 04:02 PM
How many of those in attendance left when they started into Watchtower?

It's Charlottesville. Almost all.

Mitch
11-13-2013, 04:04 PM
yep. If they're going to overload, do it on a year like 2004 or 2008.

I'm still holding my breath for another damn 2002 release.

Need more '98, '99, '00, '04 and would love some '13 with the new tunes.

We'll be getting more of everything over time. Releases will never stop...


I like this one. Please mix it well!

batleon
11-13-2013, 04:06 PM
Honestly just excited for a SBD of a Fall 2010 Last Stop :rawk

JWood
11-13-2013, 04:06 PM
:rawk

torres
11-13-2013, 04:14 PM
Isn't this the Spoon everyone drools over?

batleon
11-13-2013, 04:19 PM
So it says 3CD/1DVD set. 1 DVD? How does this show fit on 1 DVD? This is longer than Central Park is it not? DMBAlmanac isn't working for me right now so I can't check the times...

Josh.0
11-13-2013, 04:26 PM
It'll be nice to see N1 again because God knows I don't remember it due to being 4Loko'd

Josh.0
11-13-2013, 04:27 PM
Bummer they didn't release LBV from N2. Outside of Spoon, I think that was the highlight of the whole weekend for me.

Thrawn
11-13-2013, 04:28 PM
Man, they LOVE 2010. This is the kind of thing I'd expect if the band stopped touring in 2011. Weird.

That said, I'm always up for a DVD, and this sounds like a rockin' show. I'm in.

italy8384
11-13-2013, 04:29 PM
I didn't even know bands still released DVDs. I thought it was all BLURAY these days.

torres
11-13-2013, 04:30 PM
It'll be nice to see N1 again because God knows I don't remember it due to being 4Loko'd

Those drinks :lol

Smokey the Bear
11-13-2013, 04:34 PM
Isn't this the Spoon everyone drools over?

Sure is.

Mersh
11-13-2013, 04:42 PM
about time some 2010 was released.

ggies
11-13-2013, 04:43 PM
SO.....when was the last time you watched the recent bonus DVD they gave us with that other show? Not me.......

Mitch
11-13-2013, 04:44 PM
about time some 2010 was released.

:lol

Mersh
11-13-2013, 04:44 PM
from the people who brought you the show from a month earlier, a month earlier...

K270
11-13-2013, 04:54 PM
about time some 2010 was released.

http://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/general-miata-chat-9/25461-13b-nb-miata-joker-not-sure-if-serious-jpg%3Fdateline%3D1317068660

KerwinMcgee
11-13-2013, 04:55 PM
Shouldve Released both nights

Mitch
11-13-2013, 04:56 PM
http://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/general-miata-chat-9/25461-13b-nb-miata-joker-not-sure-if-serious-jpg%3Fdateline%3D1317068660

Of course he's not! Especially since they released one yesterday :lol

Mersh
11-13-2013, 04:58 PM
4 in a row that aren't really anything special. Let me get a DMBLive please.

bsan83
11-13-2013, 05:07 PM
I'm glad that, of all the 2010 stuff out there, the Fall run got a release. It's the best run with this lineup, and possibly the best run by this band in a very long time.

Interesting that they thought N1 was the better show, as I always preferred N2. That being said, I always liked this opening run a lot (Squirm through DDTW). Spoon and Warehouse, if I remember right, are pretty great. I actually don't care for the #41 a ton (I think Lawlor and Tim get too over the top) and the same might be true of the Watchtower --> Halloween transition.

I would have put a couple of different tracks on the bonus disc (namely Lying in the Hands of God, which is probably the best version of that song), but that version of The Last Stop is unfuckwithable.

celluloid hero
11-13-2013, 05:07 PM
I think there are certainly better shows, but the DVD and bonus disc are a nice touch for a Live Trax, and in my opinion is pretty special. I hope it continues.

aawil
11-13-2013, 05:08 PM
This is definitely one I'm buying. I love that watchtower -> Halloween.

Mersh
11-13-2013, 05:10 PM
I think there are certainly better shows, but the DVD and bonus disc are a nice touch for a Live Trax, and in my opinion is pretty special. I hope it continues.

Getting a DVD and bonus tracks is special or the performances contained within are? I mean it is all personal preference, but if I am just supposed to feel like its special because there is a DVD, well...it isn't doing much for me when it is more 2010.

Obviously for the people who love 2010 this is great.

bsan83
11-13-2013, 05:11 PM
Obviously for the people who love 2010 this is great.

IMO the Nov. run was far superior to pretty much anything from that summer, and I'll be pretty surprised if this release doesn't blow the doors off everything else we have from that year.

And The Last Stop and Say Goodbye (if I remember right) are really great performances. I'd have been legitimately disappointed in this release if Last Stop in particular weren't involved.

Mersh
11-13-2013, 05:12 PM
IMO the Nov. run was far superior to pretty much anything from that summer, and I'll be pretty surprised if this release doesn't blow the doors off everything else we have from that year.

Fair enough, but it just isn't for me. Hope the next one or #30 are something that catch my interest.

abw123
11-13-2013, 05:16 PM
Fair enough, but it just isn't for me. Hope the next one or #30 are something that catch my interest.

Agreed. 4 meh releases in a row.

torres
11-13-2013, 05:22 PM
Interesting that they thought N1 was the better show, as I always preferred N2. That being said, I always liked this opening run a lot (Squirm through DDTW). Spoon and Warehouse, if I remember right, are pretty great. I actually don't care for the #41 a ton (I think Lawlor and Tim get too over the top) and the same might be true of the Watchtower --> Halloween transition.



I, for one, am shocked.

bsan83
11-13-2013, 05:24 PM
:lol I know, never would have expected that.

I know a lot of folks love that version though.

Mersh
11-13-2013, 05:25 PM
Lawlor blows.

Mitch
11-13-2013, 05:29 PM
I, for one, am shocked.

:lol

"Over the top" is Lawlor's middle name

Mitch
11-13-2013, 05:30 PM
IMO the Nov. run was far superior to pretty much anything from that summer, and I'll be pretty surprised if this release doesn't blow the doors off everything else we have from that year.


:upyours yeah, I saw the Nass. Col. show and the 2 MSG's and felt that tour was much better than what I saw in the '10 summer

Tomacco
11-13-2013, 06:13 PM
The DVD makes it worth having, imo. We don't have many full show DVDs, and in terms of official releases, this is probably gonna be one of the best if not the best DVD.

cryfreedom09
11-13-2013, 06:26 PM
For me it's worth it just for the 41 and spoon. Great versions. Also cool to get bonus disc with a live trax. Looks like they have abandoned the in store releases. Can't blame them as I am sure they keep a larger portion of sales when it's a live trax versus in store release.

.Gary.
11-13-2013, 07:04 PM
Naturally we already have a solid AUD and a damn good pro-shot DVD...

Jack
11-13-2013, 07:10 PM
Proshot dvd?

cura
11-13-2013, 07:20 PM
what they can''t afford blu ray?

torres
11-13-2013, 08:04 PM
Kind of wish I could purchase the DVD separate, then just download the FLAC's when they release.

That being said, is there a way to transfer the CD onto iTunes without losing quality? Cant remember the last time I actually bought a damn CD.

dmb2much40
11-13-2013, 08:22 PM
while i would have preferred 97/99/02/04, i don't mind this. its a good show and better than both wrigley and citi. they were playing well on the fall tour.

.Gary.
11-13-2013, 08:31 PM
Proshot dvd?

Or at least multi-cam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etzh_BWc76k&list=PL8140C3AB52E27C15

kylebond13
11-13-2013, 08:51 PM
Only $5 shipping. HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

SomeDevil17
11-13-2013, 09:14 PM
This seems like a release you would wanna offer idk like 10 years from that concert not 3 years after. Some good stuff im sure, but ready for them to let the fans start voting once in awhile.

sean52692
11-13-2013, 09:30 PM
Bam. Wish they would have picked N2 instead, but some of those N2 moments will be nice to have on DVD. Pretty excited about this, so I'll definitely preorder.

This will be nice to have for the holiday season, too.

Jack
11-13-2013, 09:36 PM
This seems like a release you would wanna offer idk like 10 years from that concert not 3 years after. Some good stuff im sure, but ready for them to let the fans start voting once in awhile.

You don't want that. I gurantee it.

willndmb
11-13-2013, 09:37 PM
Or at least multi-cam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etzh_BWc76k&list=PL8140C3AB52E27C15

I wouldn't put it past the wh to release the yt vid as the DVD lol

Jack
11-13-2013, 09:38 PM
Or at least multi-cam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etzh_BWc76k&list=PL8140C3AB52E27C15

I mean, that is exactly the polar opposite of pro-shot.

Mitch
11-13-2013, 09:47 PM
I mean, that is exactly the polar opposite of pro-shot.

:lol

In his defense, though, he didn't say what kind of professional. The dude taking the iPhone video may very likely be an attorney or something.

Yeedog
11-13-2013, 09:50 PM
Very cool release, couple of the best shows I've attended. To bad it's DVD though, does DMB not archive video in HD these days? I could have sworn I've read they had been archiving HD video since the 2008ish.

Blu-ray is so common I can't think it would be that much more to make a blu-ray disc that DVD sounds like a good idea.

mjf
11-13-2013, 11:36 PM
This is great, my first reaction to the other 2010 show was why the fuck were they releasing it over a fall show. Dvd is cool too

I had a blast at these shows, but setwise I remember enjoying the philly show way more. It is worth it to get this Spoon though.

Aparker507
11-13-2013, 11:38 PM
Hope they add the jacket separately later. I have the black mountain hardware one from last year and it's very nice

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dancetheham
11-14-2013, 07:33 AM
I also wish this was both nights, but I honestly think N1 is the better show overall. I do wish the bonus disc had LBV and Hands of God, but at least it has Last Stop.

Jayes
11-14-2013, 07:57 AM
Yeah I wanted that Hands Of God, but I caught the Copperpots on youtube last night

torres
11-14-2013, 08:03 AM
Sitting here playing Copperpot's videos now actually. Warehouse with D'Earth is pretty great, along with Jimi and all those horns taking solos.

Aparker507
11-14-2013, 08:32 AM
And of course after I preorder they lower the price of the jacket package

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Jack
11-14-2013, 08:55 AM
And of course after I preorder they lower the price of the jacket package

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They'll change your order price.

vtpettit
11-14-2013, 09:10 AM
Very excited for this one... I agree, N2 was better, but at least we get some solid tracks on the bonus disc. I'm also baffled by the DVD instead of blu-ray.

Aparker507
11-14-2013, 09:21 AM
They'll change your order price.

Well I ordered the T-shirt package BC I didn't really want to spend all that much. I guess it's only 20 bucks but still. Ah well. Excited!

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batleon
11-14-2013, 10:38 AM
I haven't bought any of the 2010 releases but this might be the one to get... I've been a lot pickier about buying releases lately though. I think I need to hear the mix on this one.

Caveat Emperor
11-14-2013, 10:52 AM
They're offering a package that includes a flask -- it's like they're encouraging me to make poor choices at a future show.

celluloid hero
11-14-2013, 10:53 AM
If I had to guess, they want to see the sales of the first ever online only DVD. The more different packages they offer really drives up labor and expense and they will want to make sure it's profitable at first.

Of course, that leaves out people who might have ordered a blu-ray but won't order a DVD. But the $9 additional amount for the DVD is a steal. Even not blu ray, getting an archive show's DVD is well worth that for me.

Even a lot of the bands that do a lot more right than DMB when it comes to releasing things put out DVD instead of blu ray.

ThememanXX
11-14-2013, 10:57 AM
the $9 additional amount for the DVD is a steal. Even not blu ray, getting an archive show's DVD is well worth that for me..

:upyours

JustinC
11-14-2013, 11:00 AM
Bam. Wish they would have picked N2 instead, but some of those N2 moments will be nice to have on DVD..

Is it confirmed those songs will be on the DVD?

ThememanXX
11-14-2013, 11:17 AM
I don't get that impression.

ggies
11-14-2013, 11:24 AM
If I had to guess, they want to see the sales of the first ever online only DVD. The more different packages they offer really drives up labor and expense and they will want to make sure it's profitable at first.

Of course, that leaves out people who might have ordered a blu-ray but won't order a DVD. But the $9 additional amount for the DVD is a steal. Even not blu ray, getting an archive show's DVD is well worth that for me.

Even a lot of the bands that do a lot more right than DMB when it comes to releasing things put out DVD instead of blu ray.

Something's got to be going on inside the DMB camp. Why would they continue to release DVDs? That's like still putting out tapes after DVDs were selling in stores, you just stop doing that. It seems they don't have enough faith that sales will be high enough to use blu-ray. I think that says something about where the band is.

Caveat Emperor
11-14-2013, 11:24 AM
Something's got to be going on inside the DMB camp. Why would they continue to release DVDs? That's like still putting out tapes after DVDs were selling in stores, you just stop doing that. It seems they don't have enough faith that sales will be high enough to use blu-ray. I think that says something about where the band is.

Probably because, even though it's a mature technology, only about ~30% of US households have a Blu-Ray player.

I'm guessing that number is higher in the demographic that DMB stuff would cater to, but I'd be surprised if the number is over 50% still. They've probably run the numbers and decided that there aren't enough Blu-Ray snobs (who would buy a Blu-Ray but won't buy a DVD) to justify the additional costs involved. And they're clearly not going to phase out DVD sales and cut-off a significant portion of their potential audience. So that leaves this.

I suspect that you'll see direct-download of shows in HD formats before you'll see an additional option for physical media sales.

celluloid hero
11-14-2013, 11:52 AM
Something's got to be going on inside the DMB camp. Why would they continue to release DVDs? That's like still putting out tapes after DVDs were selling in stores, you just stop doing that. It seems they don't have enough faith that sales will be high enough to use blu-ray. I think that says something about where the band is.

Yeah, of all the possible things that would say where a band is, DVD sales vs. Blu Ray is really the barometer.

By the way, can we get the block feature back?

Caveat Emperor
11-14-2013, 11:59 AM
Yeah, of all the possible things that would say where a band is, DVD sales vs. Blu Ray is really the barometer.

By the way, can we get the block feature back?

OMG -- they're releasing another 2010 show because they know if they release older stuff everyone will realize how much they suck now.

Mitch
11-14-2013, 12:00 PM
Yeah, some of you guys are really overstating the Blu Ray thing. I just don't see it as such a huge deal. I rarely buy actual discs of any sort anymore. It's all digital downloads, on-demand, streaming, etc., fellas.. To each his own, but I don't really care. I just want as much quality audio as possible.

bsan83
11-14-2013, 12:10 PM
I'm pretty sure that ggies just copies and pastes his posts about the band's demise at this point.

ggies
11-14-2013, 12:12 PM
I'm pretty sure that ggies just copies and pastes his posts about the band's demise at this point.


:lol

ethaxton
11-14-2013, 12:13 PM
Wish they had chosen what you are for bonus. Loved that intro

ggies
11-14-2013, 12:15 PM
Probably because, even though it's a mature technology, only about ~30% of US households have a Blu-Ray player.

I'm guessing that number is higher in the demographic that DMB stuff would cater to, but I'd be surprised if the number is over 50% still. They've probably run the numbers and decided that there aren't enough Blu-Ray snobs (who would buy a Blu-Ray but won't buy a DVD) to justify the additional costs involved. And they're clearly not going to phase out DVD sales and cut-off a significant portion of their potential audience. So that leaves this.

I suspect that you'll see direct-download of shows in HD formats before you'll see an additional option for physical media sales.

I'd love to see direct-dl, are they doing that? NOPE. Fail. Come on guys, it's 2013. In a world where streaming is even taking over physical media, they can't even do that.

I don't even want this show, I just can't believe they suck at something so much.

celluloid hero
11-14-2013, 12:39 PM
edit: nevermind.

Rowsdower
11-14-2013, 12:43 PM
Wish they had chosen what you are for bonus. Loved that intro

I wish they had just released night 2 instead and had the few highlights from night 1 on a bonus disc, ala Live in New York City.

ThememanXX
11-14-2013, 01:09 PM
Yeah, some of you guys are really overstating the Blu Ray thing. I just don't see it as such a huge deal. I rarely buy actual discs of any sort anymore. It's all digital downloads, on-demand, streaming, etc., fellas.. To each his own, but I don't really care. I just want as much quality audio as possible.

I buy a few movies on Blu-Ray, but overall, stick to TV on DVD and a few random music DVD's....but I don't have an elaborate surroundsound system, so it doesn't really matter much to me.

Habbs
11-14-2013, 01:38 PM
I will be pre-ordering this one! Always interested in a new live DVD and this looks like a winner, I will probably spring for the $10 calendar as well. It is going to be a DMB year instead of a Phish year it seems.

bsan83
11-14-2013, 01:41 PM
There are some cool improv lyrics at the end of Squirm that I'd forgotten about.

mjf
11-14-2013, 02:44 PM
WOW this is gonna be mixed in surround sound?????? I missed that the first time I read this! I hope they keep doing this with LiveTrax from now on. Pink floyd is my favorite band, and I've been spoiled by how they mix most of their releases...

Also, was this show actually filmed, or are they using the footage from the monitors kinda like the youtube stuff? I really hope the latter, and that this is an indication they will start releasing more of the archive footage with these releases. I don't need a blueray over the top all out professional DVD release if it means they will put out more DVDs of the raw feed they otherwise didn't intend to release.

Just like the D&T livetraxs, I hope people actually buy this so they keep doing it.

ThememanXX
11-14-2013, 02:48 PM
I hope people actually buy this so they keep doing it.

:upyours :nod

sean52692
11-14-2013, 03:02 PM
For the bonus DVD, it'd be cool if they let each fan pick the 8 songs they want from N2 to personalize their DVD (this would have to be a direct download). I wouldn't have YMDT, WIA, Proudest or Satellite on mine. Instead, LBV, more of the encore & Hands of God.

(Also then with a collaborative effort, the whole recording of the show could be on DVD)

ThememanXX
11-14-2013, 03:11 PM
where are people getting 'Bonus DVD' from?

sean52692
11-14-2013, 03:29 PM
Nevermind, I've been reading this goddamn shit wrong the whole entire time!

batleon
11-14-2013, 04:42 PM
OK so I didn't think you could do surround sound on CD... are we sure the DVD is a video? Or is the DVD disc the surround sound mix?

dancetheham
11-14-2013, 04:46 PM
The DVD is mixed in surround sound. The CD is not.

mjf
11-14-2013, 05:03 PM
The DVD is mixed in surround sound. The CD is not.

"This is the First Live Trax mixed in surround sound and is available now for pre-order. "

Such a stupid way to word that then considering it is the first DVD too. Fuck. Still excited though.

Poth Ead
11-14-2013, 07:10 PM
Nevermind, I've been reading this goddamn shit wrong the whole entire time!
:lol

sean52692
11-14-2013, 07:52 PM
There are some cool improv lyrics at the end of Squirm that I'd forgotten about.

Quality version. :nod

MaLaKaS
11-14-2013, 08:27 PM
Wait, so what's going on now?

sean52692
11-14-2013, 08:37 PM
Wait, so what's going on now?

C'Ville N1 released in audio and DVD form

Bonus disc of 8 tracks from N2

MaLaKaS
11-14-2013, 08:41 PM
C'Ville N1 released in audio and DVD form

Bonus disc of 8 tracks from N2

This is pretty sweet :upyours. Fall 2010 > > Summer 2010

Hopper
11-14-2013, 08:46 PM
It's too bad they didn't include the entire N2 encore in the bonus disc. This will be the first LT I've bought in quite some time though.

Tambourine Man
11-14-2013, 08:55 PM
Lawlor blows.

hey

MaLaKaS
11-14-2013, 08:58 PM
I would rather they release both nights over the DVD, but great release.

Mitch
11-14-2013, 08:59 PM
I would rather they release both nights over the DVD

agreed

MaLaKaS
11-14-2013, 09:08 PM
I think people are getting very confused with the whole DVD option. There are people who think that they just bought a video performance as well. Pretty bad wording on management's part.

dmb448
11-14-2013, 09:08 PM
So is the DVD all N1? This is an awesome release though!

MaLaKaS
11-14-2013, 09:11 PM
So is the DVD all N1? This is an awesome release though!

It's DVD-Audio from how I am interpreting it.

sean52692
11-14-2013, 09:11 PM
It's too bad they didn't include the entire N2 encore in the bonus disc. This will be the first LT I've bought in quite some time though.

:upyours

The Godfather
11-14-2013, 09:53 PM
Not a fan of the bonus disc that's a half show. Just release both full shows, please, and charge me another $10.00.

:upyours

Jack
11-14-2013, 10:23 PM
I fully agree with Celluloid in that there are many factors that go into a release we don't understand. Having said that, on the face of things, some of the bonus disc selections are odd to me. Hard to complain about a bonus disc, but throwing yet another YMDT, PM > Satellite, WIA, Granny onto a massive pile over atleast LITHOG and LBV seems odd.

I'll definitely be buying my first LT sice this time last year. Even if this isn't up my alley, I'll support them when they show a little effort.

sean52692
11-14-2013, 10:43 PM
Yeah their bonus disc selection can be pretty sketchy sometimes. (WH disc selection at times, too)

mjf
11-14-2013, 10:47 PM
I fully agree with Celluloid in that there are many factors that go into a release we don't understand. Having said that, on the face of things, some of the bonus disc selections are odd to me. Hard to complain about a bonus disc, but throwing yet another YMDT, PM > Satellite, WIA, Granny onto a massive pile over atleast LITHOG and LBV seems odd.

I'll definitely be buying my first LT sice this time last year. Even if this isn't up my alley, I'll support them when they show a little effort.

Yep. I get it, we are in the minority of fans. But it shocks me those 2 tunes weren't included.

BurnItDown
11-15-2013, 07:13 AM
About damn time, but it should've been both nights and this should have been released much sooner. First LT I'll be buying in years. Finally a show I've been to that's been released!

celluloid hero
11-15-2013, 08:19 AM
I fully agree with Celluloid in that there are many factors that go into a release we don't understand. Having said that, on the face of things, some of the bonus disc selections are odd to me. Hard to complain about a bonus disc, but throwing yet another YMDT, PM > Satellite, WIA, Granny onto a massive pile over atleast LITHOG and LBV seems odd.

I'll definitely be buying my first LT sice this time last year. Even if this isn't up my alley, I'll support them when they show a little effort.

For me on the bonus disc, I thought the Die Trying was really good. Why I Am is always a nice pick from CVille. It's a song that will always be linked to Roi, and with the plaque outside and the way the crowd reacts to every chorus, I've got no complaints about that one. Someone come punch me in the face if I ever complain about anything related to Granny in any situation. I will agree that I am entirely over Proudest Satellite. I would replace with Veil and What You Are, though if there's room on the disc, scrapping both for Hands of God would've been nice as well.

The bonus disc bought my loyalty with Say Goodbye, and really the only thing that matters The Last Stop. I would've led the villagers with pitchforks and torches if that wasn't on there.

batleon
11-15-2013, 08:30 AM
I think people are getting very confused with the whole DVD option. There are people who think that they just bought a video performance as well. Pretty bad wording on management's part.

That's basically what I've been trying to say without actually saying it. There's nothing here that says that this is a video DVD or just the surround sound audio on the DVD disc.

ethaxton
11-15-2013, 08:57 AM
My excitement level is gonna go down significantly if this is just dvd audio. My gut tells me they wouldn't do something THAT dumb but then again we are talking about dmb management here.

Jayes
11-15-2013, 08:59 AM
My excitement level is gonna go down significantly if this is just dvd audio. My gut tells me they wouldn't do something THAT dumb but then again we are talking about dmb management here.

Fuck it, sync that audio with Copperpot's vids. You're all set

Edit: on second thought, those cuts will be more difficult that I had thought

ggies
11-15-2013, 09:29 AM
One more thing about dvd vs. blu-ray if it really is a DVD and not just audio:

They released LS on tape AND dvd when it first came out. I also had both tape and dvd of the Carter Instructional stuff. DVDs were still new, but that didn't stop them. Today it should be the same way, dvd and blu-ray, just make a limited number of blu-ray and see how they sell.

ThememanXX
11-15-2013, 09:35 AM
I wonder what the cost of production is and what prompted the DVD idea.....do they have to film a show any differently to produce BR discs? Maybe they can't release that show on Blu Ray and if they were to do one in the future, they'd have to film it just for that purpose. I've got to admit, I can't help but think of a potential Live in South Africa Blu-Ray release to promote the 2014 Summer Tour. :D

celluloid hero
11-15-2013, 09:42 AM
One more thing about dvd vs. blu-ray if it really is a DVD and not just audio:

They released LS on tape AND dvd when it first came out. I also had both tape and dvd of the Carter Instructional stuff. DVDs were still new, but that didn't stop them. Today it should be the same way, dvd and blu-ray, just make a limited number of blu-ray and see how they sell.

In-store release vs. mail order only Live Trax. Making a limited number makes it even more cost prohibitive per order. Bulk is always cheaper per.

Maybe they tested this already with Radio City and they're sitting on a shit ton of them. I don't understand how this baffles people who basically have the so creative "Cap$haw" locked into their Control+C holster ready to draw and blast. You can't have that opinion, then say they're dumb and need to get with the times. If they thought it would sell and there isn't an executive decision overruling it like releasing all shows for download, they would do it. I guarantee you they have more details and supporting information than you do.

It's a tired example, but Phish does everything for their fans that we wish DMB did. Hate the music or the band or elitist fans or whatever, but all we all wish we got what they did. I am both "we" and "they" and I have yet to see a Phish blu ray. These aren't mail order only releases, either.

celluloid hero
11-15-2013, 09:46 AM
I wonder what the cost of production is and what prompted the DVD idea.....do they have to film a show any differently to produce BR discs? Maybe they can't release that show on Blu Ray and if they were to do one in the future, they'd have to film it just for that purpose. I've got to admit, I can't help but think of a potential Live in South Africa Blu-Ray release to promote the 2014 Summer Tour. :D

If you don't film it in HD, you have to convert it and from what I've heard from other industries, if you want to do a decent job, it's not cheap.

Jack
11-15-2013, 10:14 AM
Haven't they been filming everything in HD since like '05?

But either way, I agree with whoever said that this is their first foray into an online only dvd release and they want to see how it sells. Adding a Blu-ray option just increases production costs and mucks things up. If they have to pick one, it'll be a dvd, obviously.

batleon
11-15-2013, 10:25 AM
Yeah this release is not the time for Blu-ray.

But they have to release a Blu-ray show at some point and it is a tad bit strange to think that they've never done one yet.

Jayes
11-15-2013, 10:26 AM
Guys. Seriously. If Blu-ray were a potential money-making option, Capshaw would've pulled the trigger already. OBVIOUSLY, there isn't enough interest in the DMB community for Blu-ray, at least not enough to capitalize on. This seems far more obvious than you're making it.

mjf
11-15-2013, 10:27 AM
I much rather have the surround audio if it is done right. Considering how small the percentage of audiophile fans the band has, it is something I really didn't expect to happen. This is the perfect band for this kinda release IMO

ggies
11-15-2013, 10:29 AM
Guys. Seriously. If Blu-ray were a potential money-making option, Capshaw would've pulled the trigger already. OBVIOUSLY, there isn't enough interest in the DMB community for Blu-ray, at least not enough to capitalize on. This seems far more obvious than you're making it.

no, not at all. Blu-rays are getting cheaper, hell, Targert sells some for $5-10 now. For whatever reasons, they are not doing it, but don't act like this is some new format because it's been out for years now.

celluloid hero
11-15-2013, 10:34 AM
no, not at all. Blu-rays are getting cheaper, hell, Targert sells some for $5-10 now. For whatever reasons, they are not doing it, but don't act like this is some new format because it's been out for years now.

Which means they have years of data helping them make this decision.

Jayes
11-15-2013, 10:36 AM
no, not at all. Blu-rays are getting cheaper, hell, Targert sells some for $5-10 now. For whatever reasons, they are not doing it, but don't act like this is some new format because it's been out for years now.

Target sells them $20-25, which is cheap but not overly. Regardless of these shitty releases Target sells for cheap, there is NO WAY you can argue with the fact that if DMB fans wanted/bought Blu-rays, then they would be sold to us by now. This isn't some "lets speculate" topic. We would have them if they were at all profitable. End of story

mjf
11-15-2013, 10:41 AM
am I the only one who is much more excited for a potentially much better new way to listen to a dmb release than a dvd of boyd's pubes, dave's bald spot, and a 3 ft alien?

Jayes
11-15-2013, 11:12 AM
am I the only one who is much more excited for a potentially much better new way to listen to a dmb release than a dvd of boyd's pubes, dave's bald spot, and a 3 ft alien?

No, like I said, I've been pretty happy with Copperpot's vids

Caveat Emperor
11-15-2013, 12:07 PM
no, not at all. Blu-rays are getting cheaper, hell, Targert sells some for $5-10 now. For whatever reasons, they are not doing it, but don't act like this is some new format because it's been out for years now.

Those are major film releases, not botique pressings like a mail-order disc from a band would be considered. Also, remember that we're still talking about only 30% of US households having a Bluray player.

ggies
11-15-2013, 12:16 PM
Those are major film releases, not botique pressings like a mail-order disc from a band would be considered. Also, remember that we're still talking about only 30% of US households having a Bluray player.

yeah, you are right. But I was just saying that the process of making a blu-ray is cheaper in general. When they first came out, you couldn't find one for $5-10, just like when DVDs came out. Now you can.

Thrawn
11-15-2013, 12:26 PM
am I the only one who is much more excited for a potentially much better new way to listen to a dmb release than a dvd of boyd's pubes, dave's bald spot, and a 3 ft alien?

Um, are you asking if I prefer surround sound audio and no video over surround sound audio and also video? Because... no?

If you don't want to watch the video, turn off the screen and listen.

Also, the banner on the website says "first live trax DVD release", which means it's video. Everyone assumes video when they see "DVD", if it was just audio they'd be more specific.

JustinC
11-15-2013, 12:42 PM
Is this the first show that wasn't planned for a DVD release?

Listener Supported, Central Park and Piedmont Park were all shows that were seen before they came out. Supported was filmed for PBS, Central Park was webcast, and Piedmont Park was filmed for Peachtree TV. Capshaw couldn't get them out quick enough, LS & CP 2 months after and Piedmont 3 months.

I'm pretty sure Brixton and Folsom were planned, although I could be wrong.

Mitch
11-15-2013, 12:44 PM
I've got to admit, I can't help but think of a potential Live in South Africa Blu-Ray release to promote the 2014 Summer Tour. :D

Yeah, but unfortunately we can probably all write the setlists for the South Africa shows right now

I much rather have the surround audio if it is done right. Considering how small the percentage of audiophile fans the band has, it is something I really didn't expect to happen. This is the perfect band for this kinda release IMO

I guess I don't understand your surround audio obsession for live music. When I'm at a show, the band is not surrounding me from all directions, they're on a stage in front of me, and a good 2 channel stereo mix will present a good soundstage. Now is the surround speakers gonna be just crowd noise, like some douche to my left screaming "41!" all night, I mean, I guess that'd be interesting :lol

I'm very likely not understanding something here, so feel free to set me straight

mjf
11-15-2013, 12:47 PM
Um, are you asking if I prefer surround sound audio and no video over surround sound audio and also video? Because... no?

If you don't want to watch the video, turn off the screen and listen.

Also, the banner on the website says "first live trax DVD release", which means it's video. Everyone assumes video when they see "DVD", if it was just audio they'd be more specific.

Poorly worded joke buddy. I'm trying to say that I'm much more excited at the prospect of future live traxs having a surround sound option vs getting yet another dvd. Just my opinion.

mjf
11-15-2013, 12:49 PM
Yeah, but unfortunately we can probably all write the setlists for the South Africa shows right now



I guess I don't understand your surround audio obsession for live music. When I'm at a show, the band is not surrounding me from all directions, they're on a stage in front of me, and a good 2 channel stereo mix will present a good soundstage. Now is the surround speakers gonna be just crowd noise, like some douche to my left screaming "41!" all night, I mean, I guess that'd be interesting :lol

I'm very likely not understanding something here, so feel free to set me straight

:lol well when you put it like that, I can't understand either. I saved up my money in high school to buy a sound system so I could listen to this brand new Pink Floyd Dark Side surround sound they released and kinda fell in love with releases done right that way. So to answer your question, I have no idea other than I enjoy em

Jack
11-15-2013, 01:06 PM
Poorly worded joke buddy. I'm trying to say that I'm much more excited at the prospect of future live traxs having a surround sound option vs getting yet another dvd. Just my opinion.

I cannot ever imagine them ever releasing a 5.1 mix without it being accompanied by video.

SonofSuns34
11-15-2013, 01:12 PM
I cannot ever imagine them ever releasing a 5.1 mix without it being accompanied by video.

Some Other Stuff disagrees with you

Jack
11-15-2013, 01:22 PM
Some Other Stuff disagrees with you

Is this the 2nd disc released with Busted Stuff? That disc must be pretty forgettable because I have no recolection of it. Anyway, we're talking about Live Trax shows.

mjf
11-15-2013, 01:27 PM
I cannot ever imagine them ever releasing a 5.1 mix without it being accompanied by video.

Yeah, i've made alot of assumptions in this thread from the confusing description. Seems like an awfully long show for a single dvd, and the way it is worded definitely seems more like it is going to be surround audio. But I agree, it is going to be pretty shocking if the band releases a surround sound audio live trax. Done speculating :lol

sean52692
11-15-2013, 01:27 PM
Is this the 2nd disc released with Busted Stuff? That disc must be pretty forgettable because I have no recolection of it. Anyway, we're talking about Live Trax shows.

It is.

Jack
11-15-2013, 01:35 PM
What is on that 2nd disc?

SonofSuns34
11-15-2013, 01:46 PM
Busted Stuff came with a bonus DVD titled: Some Other Stuff. It featured two live performances from Boulder, Colorado on July 11, 2001. The two songs performed were "When the World Ends" and "Bartender". The "Bartender" 5.1 audio only track was also on this DVD and it is the only Dave Matthews Band studio recording available in true 5.1.

celluloid hero
11-15-2013, 02:01 PM
Busted Stuff came with a bonus DVD titled: Some Other Stuff. It featured two live performances from Boulder, Colorado on July 11, 2001. The two songs performed were "When the World Ends" and "Bartender". The "Bartender" 5.1 audio only track was also on this DVD and it is the only Dave Matthews Band studio recording available in true 5.1.

I am totally with you and it's awesome. Love listening to the Bartender. However, I don't think we can use something that happened 1 time over 11 years ago, 2 years before the first Live Trax as an example of what they might do now. Even if it is audio.

mjf
11-15-2013, 02:01 PM
Busted Stuff came with a bonus DVD titled: Some Other Stuff. It featured two live performances from Boulder, Colorado on July 11, 2001. The two songs performed were "When the World Ends" and "Bartender". The "Bartender" 5.1 audio only track was also on this DVD and it is the only Dave Matthews Band studio recording available in true 5.1.

Makes me want BTCS in that format even more now that I'm thinking about it. So many layers to the recording, it would be a perfect candidate for it IMO.

sean52692
11-15-2013, 02:08 PM
IIRC it's a few songs from Folsom. Bartender and a couple other ones.

edit: ah, already answered.

SonofSuns34
11-15-2013, 02:12 PM
I dunno, the fact that it is only 1 dvd and not two is what makes me think it is Audio only, plus the track record of dropping the ball management has isnt instilling me with a ton of confidence

celluloid hero
11-15-2013, 02:12 PM
Makes me want BTCS in that format even more now that I'm thinking about it. So many layers to the recording, it would be a perfect candidate for it IMO.

http://i.imgur.com/psekO3B.gif

SonofSuns34
11-15-2013, 02:18 PM
if Crash and BTCS were released in 7.1 I would never badmouth any decision ever again

Poth Ead
11-15-2013, 02:27 PM
BTCS more so... it would be pretty beautiful in surround sound 5.1 even

ethaxton
11-15-2013, 03:37 PM
Was Fall 2010 when they had the extra cameras for every show? We thought they were doing a documentary/best of DVD release at that point I think. Maybe that has already been talked about, didn't read the entire thread.

ethaxton
11-15-2013, 03:41 PM
I dunno, the fact that it is only 1 dvd and not two is what makes me think it is Audio only, plus the track record of dropping the ball management has isnt instilling me with a ton of confidence

Brixton, Listener Supported and Fulsom were 1 dvd
Piedmont Park and Central Park were the only 2 dvd shows

Total song time of Cville N1 was 2hours 32mins according to DMBalmanac. I would have to assume the quality will suffer some by putting it all on one disc, but they may be able to do it in a fashion where it's not that noitceable during parts of the show.

Caveat Emperor
11-15-2013, 03:54 PM
Brixton, Listener Supported and Fulsom were 1 dvd
Piedmont Park and Central Park were the only 2 dvd shows

Total song time of Cville N1 was 2hours 32mins according to DMBalmanac. I would have to assume the quality will suffer some by putting it all on one disc, but they may be able to do it in a fashion where it's not that noitceable during parts of the show.

They routinely put movies that long on a single DVD -- I can't imagine why they wouldn't be able to do the same with a concert.

Vincent
11-15-2013, 05:39 PM
Was Fall 2010 when they had the extra cameras for every show? We thought they were doing a documentary/best of DVD release at that point I think. Maybe that has already been talked about, didn't read the entire thread.

Philly had them.

mjf
11-16-2013, 01:06 AM
http://i.imgur.com/psekO3B.gif

:lol haha EXACTLY! :upyours

dancetheham
11-16-2013, 10:24 AM
They routinely put movies that long on a single DVD -- I can't imagine why they wouldn't be able to do the same with a concert.
I'm pretty sure the only thing that will "suffer" so to speak is the sound quality. I don't feel like checking, but I think Central Park and Piedmont Park have better/more sound options than Listener Supported, Brixton, Folsom, etc.

Bigsho
11-16-2013, 01:18 PM
I'll get this just for that Spoon.

MaLaKaS
11-16-2013, 05:34 PM
Um, are you asking if I prefer surround sound audio and no video over surround sound audio and also video? Because... no?

If you don't want to watch the video, turn off the screen and listen.

Also, the banner on the website says "first live trax DVD release", which means it's video. Everyone assumes video when they see "DVD", if it was just audio they'd be more specific.

I might be wrong and will apologize if I am, but I think its just surround sound audio on DVD. Wasn't this a very long concert? Like longer than Listener Supported and Piedmont?

Unless it's a dual-layer dvd?

willndmb
11-16-2013, 05:43 PM
They routinely put movies that long on a single DVD -- I can't imagine why they wouldn't be able to do the same with a concert.it can be done but something has to suffer even if its a dual layer discs
Will you see/hear the compression, depends

I think it's def DVD video, if it ends up being DVD audio then I want my money back.
I also agree thoug if it is DVD-A they would have been more specific

mjf
11-16-2013, 05:50 PM
I don't know how a video of a show this long that is mixed in surround sound could fit on a single dvd... my money is on it being an audio dvd.

Aparker507
11-16-2013, 05:55 PM
Its definitely video. They wouldn't be releasing DVD audio only without going into more detail. Someone on ants emailed them and it was prepared to be filmed.

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JustinC
11-16-2013, 06:13 PM
Listerner Supported, Folsom, and Brixton are all 5.1

Folsom and this show are similar in song time length.

The way I read it is, this is the first live trax to be mixed in surround because this is the first live trax to be released as a DVD.

BeaufordBuddy
11-16-2013, 07:18 PM
No bluray, come on

:upyours

Seriously. This is some bullshit.

dancetheham
11-16-2013, 07:44 PM
I don't know how a video of a show this long that is mixed in surround sound could fit on a single dvd... my money is on it being an audio dvd.
As has been pointed out, long movies are released on single DVDs all the time, and they all have 5.1. Lawrence of Arabia is a single DVD, for instance, and that's certainly longer than this show.

I agree that the wording of the announcement is poor, but common sense should indicate that this is a DVD video release.

Poth Ead
11-17-2013, 01:04 AM
just preordered the 3 cd/dvd combo. although I most definitely preferred another pre-2008 show, everyone seems to be happy about the pick and I'm excited to listen. I've heard the Spoon, but never listened to the whole show so this will be a nice fresh listen.

MaLaKaS
11-17-2013, 04:43 AM
I guess I will preorder this tomorrow. I'll take my chances with the DVD option and see what comes of it.

Fan#41
11-17-2013, 10:18 AM
The DVD being included in the Live Trax series is really the only interesting thing for me.

I'm more interested in the next WH release and another DMBLive.

Mitch
11-17-2013, 11:02 AM
I'm more interested in the next WH release and another DMBLive.

:upyours

Or, I suppose, the next Live Trax depending on what it is.

Jack
11-17-2013, 08:51 PM
The DVD being included in the Live Trax series is really the only interesting thing for me.

I'm more interested in the next WH release and another DMBLive.

Amen. The old men had spoken :lol

I just pre-ordered the discs & dvd. Nothing on my radar, but I'll support this. Haven't heard the show but look forward to. Will probably watch the dvd. A few songs that will make running mixes. I like the effort here.

dmb1981
11-17-2013, 11:03 PM
just preordered the 3 cd/dvd combo. although I most definitely preferred another pre-2008 show, everyone seems to be happy about the pick and I'm excited to listen. I've heard the Spoon, but never listened to the whole show so this will be a nice fresh listen.

Dave's voice if I recall correctly was completely shot that weekend, no? No shocker there but I hate official releases where his voice doesn't stand up to the music/mix.

bsan83
11-18-2013, 09:04 AM
It's fine by '10 standards (and certainly much better than MSG that tour). He can hit the falsetto on Say Goodbye. The Last Stop has a couple of rough parts, but on the whole, he sounds fine.

ethaxton
11-18-2013, 09:12 AM
The guy at MusicToday was completely unaware that a dvd-audio disc was even a real thing. So we gave them too much credit in thinking that a dvd audio disc was a real idea from them it seems.

ggies
11-18-2013, 09:58 AM
The guy at MusicToday was completely unaware that a dvd-audio disc was even a real thing. So we gave them too much credit in thinking that a dvd audio disc was a real idea from them it seems.

:lol

Jack
11-18-2013, 10:12 AM
That's just some dude who dropped out of UVA & is making $8 an hour answering phones. Pretty sure the guy in charge of putting together the Live Trax series isn't answering phones in Crozet. Remember, Coran sold Musictoday.

ThememanXX
11-18-2013, 10:26 AM
That's just some dude who dropped out of UVA & is making $8 an hour answering phones. Pretty sure the guy in charge of putting together the Live Trax series isn't answering phones in Crozet. Remember, Coran sold Musictoday.

Yeah, doesn't Live Nation own MusicToday now?

batleon
11-19-2013, 08:22 AM
So I was listening to this show yesterday via Copperpot's video. I only got through the main set and the vid is set to private now...

Anyway I was looking for something that would make me get this. I dig the opening run through DDTW. Spoon/Warehouse/Jimi is great, love the guest spots and the Spoon jam is nice.

There's a lot of not so good here too though. I just can't get into #41 since they killed the long jams. Blackjack is pure shit. This Graves is below average. Time Bomb > You & Me > Stay is just terrible flow wise for the end of a show (though I think the Stay itself is great). And while I didn't get to the encore I'm not into the thought of another Sister.

I think I'll be passing on this one, DVD or not. That makes 4 LTs in a row. Longest stretch for me since they started the series. I have to say I am much pickier about what I buy now though because we have so many releases. It takes something really special from them to get my money these days.

gweeps
11-19-2013, 08:48 AM
Yeah, doesn't Live Nation own MusicToday now?Live Nation owns everything now. Even U2. (http://www.atu2.com/news/mcguinness-out-as-u2-manager-live-nation-reportedly-buying-principle-management.html)

Jayes
11-19-2013, 09:19 AM
So I was listening to this show yesterday via Copperpot's video. I only got through the main set and the vid is set to private now... Anyway I was looking for something that would make me get this. I dig the opening run through DDTW. Spoon/Warehouse/Jimi is great, love the guest spots and the Spoon jam is nice. There's a lot of not so good here too though. I just can't get into #41 since they killed the long jams. Blackjack is pure shit. This Graves is below average. Time Bomb > You & Me > Stay is just terrible flow wise for the end of a show (though I think the Stay itself is great). And while I didn't get to the encore I'm not into the thought of another Sister. I think I'll be passing on this one, DVD or not. That makes 4 LTs in a row. Longest stretch for me since they started the series. I have to say I am much pickier about what I buy now though because we have so many releases. It takes something really special from them to get my money these days.

Yep, I think 8.7.04 was the last money they got from me outside of shows and studio albums

batleon
11-19-2013, 10:15 AM
Geez there's been at least a few since 8/7/04 that deserve your money. LT20 if nothing else.

roshea999
11-19-2013, 10:48 AM
The only ones i have paid for since 8.7.04 was the two dave/Tim ones.

ThememanXX
11-19-2013, 11:15 AM
Off the top of my head, I think I paid for: 1, 2, 8, 14, 15, 20 and 22

Mitch
11-19-2013, 11:31 AM
Whether one actually paid for a release or not can definitely be a little murky, but there have certainly been many Live Trax releases at least worthy of purchase.

mjf
11-19-2013, 11:51 AM
Definitely disappointing compared to 2/19/96 last year

ThememanXX
11-19-2013, 12:22 PM
Whether one actually paid for a release or not can definitely be a little murky, but there have certainly been many Live Trax releases at least worthy of purchase.

Agreed.

JWood
11-20-2013, 02:43 PM
The DVD being included in the Live Trax series is really the only interesting thing for me.

I'm more interested in the next WH release and another DMBLive.

I'd like to see a Dave & Friends DMBLive around the holidays, seeing as it's 10 years now.

Fan#41
11-20-2013, 09:40 PM
12/19 please.

Jack
11-20-2013, 10:06 PM
I'd like to see a Dave & Friends DMBLive around the holidays, seeing as it's 10 years now.

Amen.

JWood
11-21-2013, 12:28 AM
I mean you'd have to think it'd happen by now since they've released DM, D&T and DMB thru the series.

roshea999
11-21-2013, 01:44 AM
12/22 please

Jack
11-21-2013, 07:43 AM
I mean you'd have to think it'd happen by now since they've released DM, D&T and DMB thru the series.

I don't know about by now, but this is the perfect time. There was another thread where we were speculating on it, now makes all sorts of sense.

JWood
11-21-2013, 06:18 PM
I just mean, it's been 10 years, what's the wait, especially with the inclusion of the DMB Live Series.

roshea999
11-21-2013, 06:43 PM
That tour was fucking awesome.

Mitch
11-21-2013, 06:44 PM
I don't know about by now, but this is the perfect time. There was another thread where we were speculating on it, now makes all sorts of sense.

shucks, that means it's not happening

dobyblue
11-22-2013, 05:17 PM
This WAS slated for Blu-ray, but there was some technical issue that wasn't fully explained which prevented it from happening, they still went ahead and did the DVD and I believe it will gauge interest in further video releases. Maybe if it's popular they might do more of them. Don't know what the technical issue would have been but definitely a huge bummer.

Those are major film releases, not botique pressings like a mail-order disc from a band would be considered. Also, remember that we're still talking about only 30% of US households having a Bluray player.

DEG's Q1/13 report says over 61 million US households have at least one Blu-ray playback device, which is over 50% of US households.

I dunno, the fact that it is only 1 dvd and not two is what makes me think it is Audio only, plus the track record of dropping the ball management has isnt instilling me with a ton of confidence

CP had a nice 24-bit uncompressed PCM stereo track, LT28 will have only Dolby in 2.0 and 5.1, so it will fit as PCM is over 4 times more space in stereo than DD is in 5.1 - see Europe 2009 DVD.

I guess I don't understand your surround audio obsession for live music. When I'm at a show, the band is not surrounding me from all directions, they're on a stage in front of me, and a good 2 channel stereo mix will present a good soundstage. Now is the surround speakers gonna be just crowd noise, like some douche to my left screaming "41!" all night, I mean, I guess that'd be interesting :lol

I'm very likely not understanding something here, so feel free to set me straight

They'll usually recreate the acoustics of the venue you're seeing the artist in to make it sound more like how it did when you were there, reverb, etc. Or at the very least a more "live" sound. Sometimes it allows the soundstage to open up more, sometimes the stereo track is more cohesive. All down to the 5.1 mixer. I actually prefer the PCM 2.0 track on Piedmont and Central Park but that may also be because it's lossless and has better fidelity, something you don't have to worry about on Blu-ray.

I don't think there is any better audio out there in DMB-land than the Dolby TrueHD 24/96 5.1 track on the D+T Blu-ray...the Tim solo songs I often thrown on to show off my system to someone who hasn't heard it yet. It's magic. Some day I hope we get that quality Blu-ray is capable of with a DMB show. All 3 nights of Gorge 2014 would be a great start!!

:lol well when you put it like that, I can't understand either. I saved up my money in high school to buy a sound system so I could listen to this brand new Pink Floyd Dark Side surround sound they released and kinda fell in love with releases done right that way. So to answer your question, I have no idea other than I enjoy em

Floyd have done lots of multichannel sound when playing live which hardly anyone does, so even more reason to listen to them. The original 70's Quad 4.0 studio mix (Alan Parsons) of Dark Side that's available on the Blu-ray in tehe stupidly expensive "Immersion" box set is truly amazing, whereas for Wish You Were Here I think the 5.1 2013 mix on the Super Audio CD is the way to go and much cheaper. Stupid to not have a standalone SKU of the Blu-ray.

Makes me want BTCS in that format even more now that I'm thinking about it. So many layers to the recording, it would be a perfect candidate for it IMO.

We could only be so lucky as for them to hire Steven Wilson to redo the entire catalogue from the multitracks - this guy knows how to do surround discs. His recent work for XTC and Yes is amazing, flat transfers of the original masters at 24/192, instrumental versions of the new stereo tracks at 24/96, new 5.1 mixes from the multis at 24/96, flat transfer of an original A1/B1 UK vinyl, videos, interviews, loads of demos, the dude rules.

Poth Ead
11-22-2013, 05:20 PM
We could only be so lucky as for them to hire Steven Wilson to redo the entire catalogue from the multitracks - this guy knows how to do surround discs. His recent work for XTC and Yes is amazing, flat transfers of the original masters at 24/192, instrumental versions of the new stereo tracks at 24/96, new 5.1 mixes from the multis at 24/96, flat transfer of an original A1/B1 UK vinyl, videos, interviews, loads of demos, the dude rules.

his work with 'Close To The Edge' is pretty great, especially the 5.1

sean52692
11-22-2013, 05:28 PM
It would be pretty awesome if they released a DVD with a Live Trax release once per year. Really open up the vault with DVDs from years ago.

dobyblue
11-22-2013, 05:35 PM
his work with 'Close To The Edge' is pretty great, especially the 5.1

Mine just came in this week, both the XTC and the Yes. I'm looking forward to giving the Yes disc a good listen this week-end. :rawk

Monk
11-26-2013, 11:29 PM
Very happy this show is being released (excellent shows/performances, but mostly for personal reasons). The 2010 Cville shows were part of my bachelor party weekend. I'm celebrating by buying this Live Trax for all my groomsmen.

Josh.0
11-27-2013, 09:43 AM
I know some people are indifferent to this release, but I'm pretty excited for it. To be fair, it's probably because I - like a lot of you guys - was at the show, and I remember (drunkenly) having a great time and this Spoon was one of my top three DMB moments live.

Still wish we got that LBV, but oh well. Happy we're getting Granny and Last Stop from N2 :rawk

Also, maybe I'm forgetting something but outside of LiC, but how many full band Christmas Songs have been officially released? Not many, if any others at all, right?

batleon
11-27-2013, 10:01 AM
Very happy this show is being released (excellent shows/performances, but mostly for personal reasons). The 2010 Cville shows were part of my bachelor party weekend. I'm celebrating by buying this Live Trax for all my groomsmen.

Nice! I considered using the SPAC 2012 weekend as a bachelor party. Then I realized 75% of my friends (including my best man) loathed DMB :lol

batleon
11-27-2013, 10:03 AM
I know some people are indifferent to this release, but I'm pretty excited for it. To be fair, it's probably because I - like a lot of you guys - was at the show, and I remember (drunkenly) having a great time and this Spoon was one of my top three DMB moments live.

Still wish we got that LBV, but oh well. Happy we're getting Granny and Last Stop from N2 :rawk

Also, maybe I'm forgetting something but outside of LiC, but how many full band Christmas Songs have been officially released? Not many, if any others at all, right?

http://dmbalmanac.com/LiveReleaseStats.aspx?sid=31

Looks like 2 others that could be considered "full"

Josh.0
11-27-2013, 10:12 AM
Ah yeah, forgot about the Wrigley release.

Jayes
11-27-2013, 10:36 AM
Nice! I considered using the SPAC 2012 weekend as a bachelor party. Then I realized 75% of my friends (including my best man) loathed DMB :lol

Loathed? That seems like extra effort in hate. Sadness

batleon
11-27-2013, 10:57 AM
Loathe is definitely the right word for the guy who was my best man. One time we were on a long road trip and I convinced him to listen to just one DMB song on the trip and I would leave him alone. I popped in the #41 from 4/20/02 :lol

Jayes
11-27-2013, 05:25 PM
Loathe is definitely the right word for the guy who was my best man. One time we were on a long road trip and I convinced him to listen to just one DMB song on the trip and I would leave him alone. I popped in the #41 from 4/20/02 :lol

perfect move :upyours

MaLaKaS
11-27-2013, 07:22 PM
Loathe is definitely the right word for the guy who was my best man. One time we were on a long road trip and I convinced him to listen to just one DMB song on the trip and I would leave him alone. I popped in the #41 from 4/20/02 :lol

I did the same thing, but with the studio Crush. My buddy thought he was getting a quick Smooth Rider, but I quadrupled that mofo.

DMBCLSTJ
12-07-2013, 09:30 AM
Has anyone else's package shipped yet? UPS says mine will arrive Tuesday but I thought the 17 th was when it was being released.

sdaltons
12-07-2013, 09:55 AM
Has anyone else's package shipped yet? UPS says mine will arrive Tuesday but I thought the 17 th was when it was being released.
I got the shipping notification too. Definitely thought it was supposed to be next week.

mjf
12-07-2013, 11:09 AM
Floyd have done lots of multichannel sound when playing live which hardly anyone does, so even more reason to listen to them. The original 70's Quad 4.0 studio mix (Alan Parsons) of Dark Side that's available on the Blu-ray in tehe stupidly expensive "Immersion" box set is truly amazing, whereas for Wish You Were Here I think the 5.1 2013 mix on the Super Audio CD is the way to go and much cheaper. Stupid to not have a standalone SKU of the Blu-ray.



We could only be so lucky as for them to hire Steven Wilson to redo the entire catalogue from the multitracks - this guy knows how to do surround discs. His recent work for XTC and Yes is amazing, flat transfers of the original masters at 24/192, instrumental versions of the new stereo tracks at 24/96, new 5.1 mixes from the multis at 24/96, flat transfer of an original A1/B1 UK vinyl, videos, interviews, loads of demos, the dude rules.

:upyours please tell me you have an account on yeeshkul.com, we really could use your ears! I bought the immersions.. couldn't resist. I loved the DSOTM 2003 SACD, so I couldn't help it. It's good to see someone with your expertise enjoying it. I'd be shocked if you didn't see this interview, but just in case - http://www.brain-damage.co.uk/albums/pink-floyds-wish-you-were-here-sacd-review-and-interviews-including-james-gu.html

FERRALL
12-07-2013, 11:11 AM
No notification for me :(

Jack
12-07-2013, 01:40 PM
No notification for me :(

I thought it shipped on the 13th for release on the 17th?

K270
12-09-2013, 02:42 AM
Has anyone else's package shipped yet? UPS says mine will arrive Tuesday but I thought the 17 th was when it was being released.

Yup, received the notification on Friday. Should have it by Thursday.

ThememanXX
12-09-2013, 09:09 AM
nice :upyours

DMBTex10101
12-09-2013, 11:33 PM
I wonder if they started shipping early because of the Vinyls being released on the same day. Seems like a lot of packages to get out and delivered before Christmas.

I'm pumped for everything coming with this release, the CDs, the DVD, the bonus disk, everything. It's the first show that I attended that is being released.

MaLaKaS
12-09-2013, 11:59 PM
I wonder if they started shipping early because of the Vinyls being released on the same day. Seems like a lot of packages to get out and delivered before Christmas.

I'm pumped for everything coming with this release, the CDs, the DVD, the bonus disk, everything. It's the first show that I attended that is being released.

Its the best one since the D&T one :upyours

DMBCLSTJ
12-10-2013, 09:38 PM
Quick notes about the DVD... BT, like at the shows, is turned way down in the mix even on his solos. Great #41 footage with Tim and Joe going off and Spoon is fantastic. Haven't got through the whole thing yet but it's refreshing to have another DVD of the boys.

Tomacco
12-10-2013, 09:41 PM
Quick notes about the DVD... BT, like at the shows, is turned way down in the mix even on his solos. Great #41 footage with Tim and Joe going off and Spoon is fantastic. Haven't got through the whole thing yet but it's refreshing to have another DVD of the boys.

Does it look properly filmed or does it look like the AFTW bonus dvd?

Aparker507
12-10-2013, 10:58 PM
Aftw bonus plus the boom camera. Much higher resolution.

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Tomacco
12-11-2013, 12:30 AM
Is the audio rip out anywhere yet?

DMBTex10101
12-11-2013, 07:48 AM
Both this and my LT3 Vinyl shipped yesterday, sweet.

BurnItDown
12-11-2013, 08:16 AM
Still have no notification of shipping. Hope it arrives before the holidays!

Jack
12-11-2013, 08:43 AM
Both this and my LT3 Vinyl shipped yesterday, sweet.

Same here. Looks like they're trying to get these out before the holiday rush.

JWood
12-11-2013, 12:32 PM
Same here as well :upyours

Although, my LT28 is supposed to arrive 12/16 and LT3 is supposed to arrive 12/13.

K270
12-11-2013, 03:46 PM
Out for delivery. Sadly, it won't be here before I leave for work. Oh well, it'll be here when I get home.


:bananas :bananas :bananas

Josh.0
12-11-2013, 04:14 PM
First Live Trax I've purchased in a long, long time.

mrpeters
12-11-2013, 04:28 PM
So, bonus cd leaked, but no live trax LOL

Poth Ead
12-11-2013, 05:11 PM
So, bonus cd leaked, but no live trax LOL

yea, i'm on this :lol

Jack
12-11-2013, 06:56 PM
Coran finally pressed the unrippable cd :muhahahahahhahahhaha

gweeps
12-11-2013, 07:14 PM
I'm waiting for it to leak elsewhere...