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Aparker507
03-13-2014, 12:48 PM
https://davematthewsband.livenation.spottrot.com/?department=default&product_uid=DMDD113

JustinC
03-13-2014, 12:51 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bin9nl5CUAIDu0y.jpg:large

For the next installment in our Live Trax series, we have selected one of the standout shows of the early 2013 Summer Tour. On June 1, 2013, the band brought a flawless and especially unique show to the Blossom Music Center in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. Highlighted by a mix of newer songs and classics with several performances unique to the tour, it contains the first rebranded performance of Kill the Preacher (improvised in 2012 as an introduction to Why I Am) as well as the first ever full band performance of the Some Devil song Oh.

The show opens with the classic Dancing Nancies - Warehouse combination - a first in over 15 years. What follows are songs recently returned to the rotation, such as the Idea of You (after its 2012 hiatus) and the setlist rarity Captain, as well as older fan favorites such as Say Goodbye, a late set Big Eyed Fish - Bartender combination and an extended Recently.

Live Trax 29 is the first live show in the series to feature songs from the Away From the World album, released in 2012. As such this release includes the debuts of Gaucho, Belly Belly Nice & Rooftop, all in their road ready forms.

Could have phrased the bolded part better

Aparker507
03-13-2014, 12:54 PM
Love the cover art

Billy'sTV
03-13-2014, 12:56 PM
FLAC24 download available for this one....

drummerkrf
03-13-2014, 12:58 PM
:upyours

Mitch
03-13-2014, 12:59 PM
:upyours good choice for a recent show

Tambourine Man
03-13-2014, 01:01 PM
Good set, not the best from the ridiculous stretch early last summer, but good

Dave Matthews Band
June 1, 2013
Blossom Music Center, Cuyahoga Falls, OH

Dancing Nancies
Warehouse
The Idea of You
Belly Belly Nice
Save Me
Captain
Seven
Gaucho
Rooftop
Crush
Say Goodbye
Big Eyed Fish
Bartender
Kill the Preacher
Why I Am
Granny
Recently
Pantala Naga Pampa
Rapunzel
-----------------------------------
Oh
So Much to Say
Anyone Seen the Bridge
Too Much [fake]
Ants Marching

Mitch
03-13-2014, 01:02 PM
that's a really fucking good set

ThememanXX
03-13-2014, 01:03 PM
Solid, solid show.


Dancing Nancies :segue
Warehouse
The Idea of You
Belly Belly Nice
Save Me
Captain
Seven
Gaucho
Rooftop
Crush
Say Goodbye
Big Eyed Fish :segue
Bartender
Kill the Preacher
Why I Am
Granny
Recently
Pantala Naga Pampa :segue
Rapunzel
_____________

Oh
So Much to Say :segue
Anyone Seen the Bridge :segue
Too Much [fake] :segue
Ants Marching

ThememanXX
03-13-2014, 01:04 PM
only thing I'm missing there is So Right, Broken Things and JTR. To a lesser extent, Running Down a Dream. The show from the night before in Pittsburgh or Hartford N2 would've done the trick, but this isn't bad by any means.

SonofSuns34
03-13-2014, 01:09 PM
Looks good to me

soright05
03-13-2014, 01:15 PM
Awesome


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Mitch
03-13-2014, 01:23 PM
I'm not seeing this on that store link. What's the release date?

ethaxton
03-13-2014, 01:32 PM
Nice, 2 for 2 on last live trax releases for shows I have attended :upyours

dobyblue
03-13-2014, 01:33 PM
I got a pre-order in for the 24-bit option before they took down the link.
My e-mail receipt says the release date is 04.15.14

Tomacco
03-13-2014, 01:41 PM
Definitely a strong show. One of the best of 2013. I remember being wowed watching the setlist come up online.

Trout
03-13-2014, 01:43 PM
I was at this show, it was a great show, happy about this release :upyours

Tomacco
03-13-2014, 01:44 PM
They need to rewrite that description certainly. "Oh" wasn't full band.

Jack
03-13-2014, 01:48 PM
They need to rewrite that description certainly. "Oh" wasn't full band.

I'm sure they'll get right on that.

Tomacco
03-13-2014, 01:51 PM
This diminishes my excitement for the WH disc a little considering that was going to be the first live BBN and Rooftop released, but whatever.

Mitch
03-13-2014, 01:56 PM
This show got a good amount of love in this thread: http://www.thesedayscontinue.org/showthread.php?t=205933

mjf
03-13-2014, 02:02 PM
24-bit? Fuckin right. Man, so far this year DMB is doing good in my book :upyours Between changing up the summer tour, warehouse bonus disc, picking this show/releasing it right... good shit. I won't hold my breath tho

mjf
03-13-2014, 02:03 PM
This diminishes my excitement for the WH disc a little considering that was going to be the first live BBN and Rooftop released, but whatever.

They could release 9 versions of Angel along with that GGT and I'd still be excited. Top DMB concert moment for me.

dmb2much40
03-13-2014, 02:05 PM
Awesome

ThememanXX
03-13-2014, 02:37 PM
They could release 9 versions of Angel along with that GGT and I'd still be excited. Top DMB concert moment for me.

Agreed.

JWood
03-13-2014, 02:38 PM
Not a bad looking set, don't think I ever listened to this one. Guess I'll be holding out for a first-listen of this mix.

batleon
03-13-2014, 02:48 PM
Not a bad pick, will probably get this. Would have loved some other shows more (either Hartford show, Mansfield N1, SPAC N2) over this but whatever.

only thing I'm missing there is So Right, Broken Things and JTR.

Those and Crazy Easy.

This diminishes my excitement for the WH disc a little considering that was going to be the first live BBN and Rooftop released, but whatever.

Yeah, poor planning again. WH disc should have two other AFTW songs on it instead.

sdaltons
03-13-2014, 02:49 PM
as i said in the warehouse disc thread, i'm not too stoked about this one. it's a solid set, but i either would have wanted more of the AFTW songs, or at least Runnin Down A Dream. i will give it a chance though.

ThememanXX
03-13-2014, 02:49 PM
Those and Crazy Easy.

Ah right, that one, too!

Poth Ead
03-13-2014, 02:53 PM
This is pretty much what I expected. Cheers to those that are excited.

I was hoping for something totally unexpected

Mitch
03-13-2014, 02:55 PM
I mentioned it in the "Stuff" thread when word of this first came out, the mix will be key for me with this. There is such a big difference to me for the 3.0 shows between the ones that are mixed well (LT19 and AC, for example) and the ones that are not (LT22 Scranton, for example). 3.0 releases in particular can sound like noisy shit if not mixed well, IMO.

ThememanXX
03-13-2014, 02:58 PM
Yeah, AC was a great mix, that's for sure. I hope they nail this one.

Poth Ead
03-13-2014, 02:58 PM
LT28 is a pretty good mix, wasn't it?

Mitch
03-13-2014, 03:05 PM
Yeah, I think 28 is pretty good

ThememanXX
03-13-2014, 03:07 PM
It's gotten to the point that I can't really identify the Live Trax releases by their number. 28, the last one, was CVille '10, right? I don't think I've listened to one start to finish since Scranton. That said, I've listened to every show from 1999-2008, so don't really take my word for anything. :lol

mjf
03-13-2014, 03:12 PM
I mentioned it in the "Stuff" thread when word of this first came out, the mix will be key for me with this. There is such a big difference to me for the 3.0 shows between the ones that are mixed well (LT19 and AC, for example) and the ones that are not (LT22 Scranton, for example). 3.0 releases in particular can sound like noisy shit if not mixed well, IMO.

Yeah man you're definitely right. I got really excited to see the whole flac24 thing, but realized I need to hold off til I hear the mix.

mjf
03-13-2014, 03:13 PM
It's gotten to the point that I can't really identify the Live Trax releases by their number. 28, the last one, was CVille '10, right? I don't think I've listened to one start to finish since Scranton. That said, I've listened to every show from 1999-2008, so don't really take my word for anything. :lol

dude it drives me nuts. I never know what the fuck anyone is talking about :lol

TheNoise
03-13-2014, 03:18 PM
nice, this should be a good listen.

wish a JTR or Crazy Easy from 2013 would get mixed and released though

JWood
03-13-2014, 03:39 PM
It's gotten to the point that I can't really identify the Live Trax releases by their number. 28, the last one, was CVille '10, right? I don't think I've listened to one start to finish since Scranton. That said, I've listened to every show from 1999-2008, so don't really take my word for anything. :lol

DUDE, you need to get into more bands.

JimBeam41
03-13-2014, 04:05 PM
It's gotten to the point that I can't really identify the Live Trax releases by their number. 28, the last one, was CVille '10, right?

dude it drives me nuts. I never know what the fuck anyone is talking about :lol

I agree, i wish we would include the date of the show rather then the LT#

sean52692
03-13-2014, 04:09 PM
Happy with this selection. Definitely one of the better shows from 2013.

sean52692
03-13-2014, 04:18 PM
I agree, i wish we would include the date of the show rather then the LT#

Bookmark this post:

1 - 12/08/98
2 - 09/12/04
3 - 08/27/00
4 - 04/30/96
5 - 08/23/95
6 - 07/07/06 and 07/08/06
7 - 12/31/96
8 - 08/07/04
9 - 03/23/07 and 03/24/07
10 - 05/27/07
11 - 08/29/00
12 - 05/05/95
13 - 06/07/08
14 - 06/28/08
15 - 08/09/08
16 - 06/26/00
17 - 07/06/97
18 - 06/04/96
19 - 09/30/08
20 - 08/19/93
21 - 08/04/95
22 - 07/14/10
23 - 02/19/96
24 - 02/08/97
25 - 05/30/06
26 - 07/30/03
27 - 10/14/10
28 - 11/19/10

mjf
03-13-2014, 04:30 PM
It's gotten to the point that I can't really identify the Live Trax releases by their number. 28, the last one, was CVille '10, right? I don't think I've listened to one start to finish since Scranton. That said, I've listened to every show from 1999-2008, so don't really take my word for anything. :lol

You know what is crazy? More men have walked on the moon than have listened to every single DMB show from 1999-2008.

roshea999
03-13-2014, 05:50 PM
:lol :lol

Vincent
03-13-2014, 06:40 PM
Nice choice for a 2013 show. What does the AUD sound like?

The Godfather
03-13-2014, 06:52 PM
Great choice. Looking forward to this. :upyours

Mitch
03-13-2014, 06:59 PM
Could have phrased the bolded part better

They need to rewrite that description certainly. "Oh" wasn't full band.

I'm sure they'll get right on that.

they actually did :lol

For the next installment in our Live Trax series, we have selected one of the standout shows of the early 2013 Summer Tour. On June 1, 2013, the band brought a flawless and especially unique show to the Blossom Music Center in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. Highlighted by a mix of newer songs and classics with several performances unique to the tour, it contains the first rebranded performance of Kill the Preacher (improvised in 2012 as an introduction to Why I Am) as well as the first ever performance of the Some Devil song Oh at a full band show.

ThememanXX
03-13-2014, 07:05 PM
:lol Nice.

Oh, and I remember the AUD being damn good.

brian3641
03-13-2014, 07:24 PM
Wow, a show I attended being released!! Awesome!! Wish there was a dvd too, though.

JWood
03-13-2014, 07:31 PM
they actually did :lol

THEY REED DA BOREDS!!

MaLaKaS
03-13-2014, 07:33 PM
????

torres
03-13-2014, 07:36 PM
There something special about this new Flac format?

Jack
03-13-2014, 07:47 PM
There something special about this new Flac format?

Better than CD sound quality.

gweeps
03-13-2014, 07:54 PM
There something special about this new Flac format?According to this (http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html#toc_lt) article, no.

torres
03-13-2014, 07:59 PM
Oh, okay.

Thanks.

Jack
03-13-2014, 08:36 PM
Neil Young is going to fight gweeps. Ontario on Ontario crime.

cryfreedom09
03-13-2014, 11:01 PM
Another good live trax. This is definitely my most listened to bootleg from 2013. Just as long as they get mix right this will be a very memorable live trax. Would have preferred Camden but this is the second best show if the year hands down.

willndmb
03-14-2014, 07:27 AM
I got a pre-order in for the 24-bit option before they took down the link.
My e-mail receipt says the release date is 04.15.14

How much was it?
Rumor is the price went up when it came back

Can anyone even notice a difference in 24vs16 bit?
I have never really tried but I don't know anyone who can truely tell

batleon
03-14-2014, 07:46 AM
Something with Stanley Jordan on this or the WH disc would have been nice too. He's been a big part of the last two years now.

Anyway, I want to hear what the mix is like on this one before I preorder this. If it's good, I'll buy.

dobyblue
03-14-2014, 10:00 AM
How much was it?
Rumor is the price went up when it came back

Can anyone even notice a difference in 24vs16 bit?
I have never really tried but I don't know anyone who can truely tell

My order says 17.99 and it is sitting in my order history now with the right product code and description (24/96) so I'm not going to complain, but yeah I noticed it went to 19.99 when it popped back up.

As for the difference I would say the percentage of people who will appreciate the higher option will be small, for the large majority of people the 16/44.1 files should suffice. Only exception would be if the 24/96 received a slightly different mastering to leave the original dynamics of the performance intact, as most of the post-1996 Live Trax releases have had noticeable amounts of dynamic range compression applied. I expect the master will be the same, hopefully it's DR9 or higher for everyone's sake.

Mitch
03-14-2014, 10:26 AM
Can anyone even notice a difference in 24vs16 bit?
I have never really tried but I don't know anyone who can truely tell

Yeah, add me to the list of people who can't tell the difference. I recently bought a Live Phish download, that I already had in 256k MP3, in 24bit FLAC-HD, because I was curious. I made sure that my system was properly set up and able to to play the 24/96. I listened to the 24bit lossless wanting to blown away compared to the 256k MP3. I could not tell a fucking difference. The 256k mp3's sounded just as good to me. :dunno

gweeps
03-14-2014, 11:36 AM
That article I posted, from what I understand, which is very little on the scientific end, basically says we have a ceiling on our hearing built into our ears. Trying to hear what we literally can't in search for some golden sound is both costly and ultimately redundant. Plus, as that guy talks about, a "higher quality" file doesn't necessarily mean "better". For my reasoning, analog to digital is still analog to digital. You are still working with different delivery systems.

I understand musicians want their audience to hear the clearest approximation to what they recorded in studio. But what we get isn't live material. And allowing these mastering yokels to crank the volume on everything is a crime against the music. Classical music should not be as loud as heavy metal. iPod earbuds be damned.

You can train your ears to hear certain sounds you haven't before. But that is also subjective, as it depends upon your actual hearing capacity (which gives you diminishing returns as you age) and the context of what and when and where you're attempting to hear.

I do find it interesting that after hearing a song on repeat I begin to notice bells and whistles I missed initially. I chalk that up to emotion vs. reason. You can be more objective when the thrill is gone.

Crush87
03-14-2014, 12:11 PM
Yeah, add me to the list of people who can't tell the difference. I recently bought a Live Phish download, that I already had in 256k MP3, in 24bit FLAC-HD, because I was curious. I made sure that my system was properly set up and able to to play the 24/96. I listened to the 24bit lossless wanting to blown away compared to the 256k MP3. I could not tell a fucking difference. The 256k mp3's sounded just as good to me. :dunno

That's because the LivePhish boards are HIGHLY compressed, so HDFLAC is sort of a joke coming from them.

cryfreedom09
03-14-2014, 12:36 PM
Yeah, add me to the list of people who can't tell the difference. I recently bought a Live Phish download, that I already had in 256k MP3, in 24bit FLAC-HD, because I was curious. I made sure that my system was properly set up and able to to play the 24/96. I listened to the 24bit lossless wanting to blown away compared to the 256k MP3. I could not tell a fucking difference. The 256k mp3's sounded just as good to me. :dunno

I'm glad to hear you say this. I don't feel like I'm missing out now.

TheNoise
03-14-2014, 12:47 PM
i get that there can be a difference between the formats, but i don't fully understand why a bunch of musicians are trying to make a standalone audio player for the format..... why not just release their music in FLAC24 moving forward?

Mitch
03-14-2014, 12:51 PM
That's because the LivePhish boards are HIGHLY compressed, so HDFLAC is sort of a joke coming from them.

Ok, fair point, but I've had the same experience generally comparing 256k to lossless. I don't really hear a difference. Now, I do of course hear a difference b/w vinyl analog and digital, and between various stereo systems, different mixes, etc. But when it comes to digital music, I feel like beyond 256k is when the law of diminishing returns kicks in for me personally.

mrpeters
03-14-2014, 02:33 PM
hell yes! my first attended live trax, special show for my wife and i (first time we heard our wedding song together) and 24 bit? Count me in for 2 copies!

Billy'sTV
03-14-2014, 02:41 PM
..

mrpeters
03-14-2014, 02:42 PM
any chance we get lucky and this is 5.1 24-bit 96kHz FLAC?

Live Trax 28 was in 5.1, although compressed. No reason they couldnt mix this the same way...

celluloid hero
03-14-2014, 03:35 PM
That's because the LivePhish boards are HIGHLY compressed, so HDFLAC is sort of a joke coming from them.

You know what's not a joke, though, the Junta HDFLAC that came with the Record Store Day release.

BrokenThings
03-14-2014, 04:03 PM
hell yes! my first attended live trax, special show for my wife and i (first time we heard our wedding song together) and 24 bit? Count me in for 2 copies!

why 2 copies?

TheNoise
03-14-2014, 04:11 PM
this bartender is truly great. love the speed at which they go through it

JamSession v2.0
03-14-2014, 04:27 PM
why 2 copies?

His and Hers to go with the matching bath towels.

mjf
03-14-2014, 09:20 PM
Yeah, add me to the list of people who can't tell the difference. I recently bought a Live Phish download, that I already had in 256k MP3, in 24bit FLAC-HD, because I was curious. I made sure that my system was properly set up and able to to play the 24/96. I listened to the 24bit lossless wanting to blown away compared to the 256k MP3. I could not tell a fucking difference. The 256k mp3's sounded just as good to me. :dunno

I'm so far from an expert that I shouldn't post this. But IMO it really all depends on the release. A lot of them I can't tell the difference either, but some are such a huge difference it is unbelievable. There's a very famous Pink Floyd bootleg (5.9.1977). A recent transfer of the original tape was done by guys like Doby. It was released in 3 different types, and for the same reason as your experiment I downloaded all three. I could definitely tell the difference FWIW

Again I'm so far from an expert. I truly believe 90% of it is no different than the placebo effect. The sad thing is too if Doby wrote that the 24 bit was vastly superior, when I went to listen to it I'd probably form the same opinion after reading his :lol

mjf
03-14-2014, 09:25 PM
and the other big thing I've noticed is just because something is released on a fancy format with a new master doesn't mean I'll like it more. I just bought the Rolling Stones Exile on Main St SACD a month ago. Easily my 2nd favorite album. I listened to it 10 times and gave it away... sounded like shit to me

abw123
03-18-2014, 01:48 PM
When did Save Me (Full band) debut? Can't figure it out looking at Almanac. Weren't all the pre-2013 versions just Dave and Tim?

Aparker507
03-18-2014, 01:49 PM
I remember them playing it in Dallas 2012 I think

abw123
03-18-2014, 01:50 PM
Also, great release on paper. Love this setlist. Good new stuff, semi-rare stuff, and fan favorites. Very few (relatively) of the typical overplayed songs.

abw123
03-18-2014, 01:51 PM
There you go. Dallas '12 was the debut per the Almanac. And I was actually at that show, which makes it weirder that I had to ask the question!!

ThememanXX
03-18-2014, 01:52 PM
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453056975

Almanac note is 'first time played full band.'

batleon
03-18-2014, 03:18 PM
Even had a version with this lineup released already on the 2012 sampler disc.

abw123
03-18-2014, 03:55 PM
Right, right.

dmb448
03-19-2014, 10:13 AM
You can pre-order this now and get 5 dollar shipping.

batleon
03-19-2014, 10:36 AM
http://static.musictoday.com/store/bands/1/images/PromoBanners/Vol29_950x50_v2.gif

I love how this is a big deal :lol

ThememanXX
03-19-2014, 10:54 AM
How much do they usually charge to ship a CD? Jeez.

batleon
03-19-2014, 12:24 PM
I think it usually almost doubles the price.

Monk
03-19-2014, 03:04 PM
Charging more for the 24bit FLACs than the CD is a joke.

JWood
03-19-2014, 05:03 PM
Charging more for the 24bit FLACs than the CD is a joke.

Free shipping tho

batleon
03-21-2014, 07:45 AM
So I pre-ordered this and added another LT to the order, and still only paid $5 for the shipping.

Jack
03-21-2014, 09:05 AM
Which other LT?

mario
03-21-2014, 09:18 AM
Yeah, add me to the list of people who can't tell the difference. I recently bought a Live Phish download, that I already had in 256k MP3, in 24bit FLAC-HD, because I was curious. I made sure that my system was properly set up and able to to play the 24/96. I listened to the 24bit lossless wanting to blown away compared to the 256k MP3. I could not tell a fucking difference. The 256k mp3's sounded just as good to me. :dunno
How did you listen? Often times the best way to tell the difference is with a really good set of headphones.

I don't bother with that because I rarely listen with headphones to any music, but that's my understanding.

sdaltons
03-21-2014, 09:19 AM
whoever put the release date in the thread title, nicely done. :upyours

Jack
03-21-2014, 10:36 AM
whoever put the release date in the thread title, nicely done. :upyours

Here for you man.

batleon
03-21-2014, 10:51 AM
Which other LT?

13. Listened to it on Spotify a little while back and really liked it. Can't remember why I didn't already have a copy of it.

Mitch
03-21-2014, 11:08 AM
How did you listen? Often times the best way to tell the difference is with a really good set of headphones.

I don't bother with that because I rarely listen with headphones to any music, but that's my understanding.

Not with headphones, I only listen to headphones when on the treadmill. I have a good little high-end audio system in my home office that I listen to most of my music on (Creek integrated amp, PSB Alpha speakers). I have my computer audio connected to it via an USB external DAC that is capable of 24/96 (NuForce U-DAC 3 (https://www.nuforce.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&layout=item&id=687&Itemid=2746), about $100, highly recommended, and this I do hear the improvement over the computer's internal DAC). I also followed instructions to make sure my Mac was set to properly output the 24/96 to the DAC. But, like I said, I just didn't hear a difference.

cryfreedom09
03-21-2014, 12:13 PM
13. Listened to it on Spotify a little while back and really liked it. Can't remember why I didn't already have a copy of it.

Great choice. Was just listening to this yesterday. Incredible sounding mix and the crush, two step, and tripping billies are in the running for best versions imo. Plus a great modern version of grey street.

batleon
03-21-2014, 02:07 PM
Those June shows with the Tim/Roi/Rashawn lineup are so unique compared to the current lineup. Don't get me wrong, I love the band with Jeff but there was something really special going on in June '08 that will never happen again...

DMBCLSTJ
03-21-2014, 02:33 PM
Those June shows with the Tim/Roi/Rashawn lineup are so unique compared to the current lineup. Don't get me wrong, I love the band with Jeff but there was something really special going on in June '08 that will never happen again...

Sadly I agree... They were VERY tight in that June run.

cryfreedom09
03-21-2014, 05:14 PM
Those June shows with the Tim/Roi/Rashawn lineup are so unique compared to the current lineup. Don't get me wrong, I love the band with Jeff but there was something really special going on in June '08 that will never happen again...

:upyours Yes there absolutely was something magical there. I don't think Tim gets enough credit for what he did to ignite this band. Without a doubt everybody was on fire in a way that hadn't been seen in recent times but Tim was a huge part of what ignited that flame.

roshea999
03-21-2014, 07:30 PM
Tim came in and everyone, except boyd, stepped up their game. He helped bring new life to songs that had been mostly* underwhelming (Cornbread, Die Trying, Eh Hee) and helped elevate songs that were already solid (Two Step, Crush, DDTW).

I think it helped spark Dave too, and the band opened up to new covers and tinkered old tunes. Tim's my favorite member of the current lineup, it was always Roi before. I think it's awesome to see Tim up on stage with the guys. I had wanted that for so long.

Mitch
03-21-2014, 07:36 PM
Great choice. Was just listening to this yesterday. Incredible sounding mix and the crush, two step, and tripping billies are in the running for best versions imo. Plus a great modern version of grey street.

:upyours It is a killer show, and great sounding release, as you mention. Now that Two Step is how you start a fucking show! Also, still one of my favorite YMDT's, love Tim on it.

sean52692
03-22-2014, 01:44 AM
Boyd was fine in '08. :dunno

roshea999
03-22-2014, 07:25 AM
For the most part he was ok. But it seemed to me that everyone else stepped up their game (roi and dave especially) in June of 08. Boyd was certainly sounding better then than he does now, though.

sean52692
03-22-2014, 09:00 AM
For the most part he was ok. But it seemed to me that everyone else stepped up their game (roi and dave especially) in June of 08. Boyd was certainly sounding better then than he does now, though.

Agree with all of this.

If you listen back now, BT sounds damn good in '08. At the time? He's decent.

MaLaKaS
03-22-2014, 10:08 AM
Boyd starting going way downhill in 2009.

JWood
03-22-2014, 10:28 AM
Boyd starting going way downhill in 2009.

Need Jason to check in with the exact date of the show & song where he started his descent.

MaLaKaS
03-22-2014, 10:37 AM
Need Jason to check in with the exact date of the show & song where he started his descent.


:lol :upyours

ThememanXX
03-22-2014, 12:11 PM
It's been a slow decline, I believe he drops off entirely in May, '09

cryfreedom09
03-22-2014, 12:45 PM
:upyours It is a killer show, and great sounding release, as you mention. Now that Two Step is how you start a fucking show! Also, still one of my favorite YMDT's, love Tim on it.

Yeah seriously I love two step in the opener slot.

sean52692
03-22-2014, 11:13 PM
:upyours It is a killer show, and great sounding release, as you mention. Now that Two Step is how you start a fucking show! Also, still one of my favorite YMDT's, love Tim on it.

I love Roi on the pennywhistle during that eerie Two Step intro. Opening with Two Step is a thing that should occur more often. :banana

Billy'sTV
03-22-2014, 11:45 PM
LT13's Two Step opener:

nXKFSqD2FeI&t=7

Fan#41
03-22-2014, 11:57 PM
That Rhyme & Reason is ruined by Roi and Rashawn. But other than that, LT13 is a pretty good show.

mjf
03-23-2014, 12:21 AM
That Rhyme & Reason is ruined by Roi and Rashawn. But other than that, LT13 is a pretty good show.

It really is a good show. Looking back at 2008, I'm just glad Roi went out on such a high note. He really rebounded that tour, and consequently the shows I was lucky enough to catch in June are some of my favorites.

cryfreedom09
03-23-2014, 02:07 AM
That Rhyme & Reason is ruined by Roi and Rashawn. But other than that, LT13 is a pretty good show.

This is one of the best versions of the song.

dmb2much40
03-23-2014, 05:46 AM
I assume you mean that little horn line. I don't mind it, something different for an otherwise standard song.

Thrawn
03-23-2014, 09:06 AM
Ugh. That horn line is terrible, so entirely not in the spirit of the song.

Mitch
03-23-2014, 10:39 AM
This is one of the best versions of the song.

You just challenged Brandon. Get ready:

:brandon

Fan#41
03-23-2014, 10:58 AM
This is one of the best versions of the song.

I completely disagree.


I assume you mean that little horn line. I don't mind it, something different for an otherwise standard song.


I think R&R is one of the best songs Dave has ever written. I don't look at it as a standard song at all. It's dark, open, revealing, driven, angry, and the music accompanies the lyrics so well and that horn arrangement at the end completely kills the vibe and direction of the song. I love what Roi did with this band but starting this whole horn section overlay on top of already structured arrangements became very distracting right outta the gate and this Rhyme & Reason is the best example. And of course Rashawn has kept that overlaying horn idea after Roi died with Jeff and most of it's just gotten out of hand.

Another good example for the same song is that performance with Mike McCready. Dude was just starting to get into his solo during his guest spot and then Rashawn and Jeff come in and completely drown him out. It was so unnecessary. It didn't add anything except confusion and distraction.


Ugh. That horn line is terrible, so entirely not in the spirit of the song.

Exactly.

Fan#41
03-23-2014, 11:07 AM
You just challenged Brandon. Get ready:

:brandon

ha

Honestly though, I could easily think of 20 better performances of the song starting with versions like 4/14/94 which has some really great and different lyrics. Heck, even 9/22/06 With Lawlor was 10x's better where Roi and Rashawn did a very very small horn thing during Lawlor's solo but it was small and kept in the background and didn't detract from the vibe of the song at all. But then '07 when they started to do longer stretches of horn lines during Billies and then the beginning of '08 it was just so in the forefront like on that R&R we're talking about...like I said, I just feel it had/has gotten out of hand.

mjf
03-23-2014, 11:19 AM
I think the D&T ones from '96 and the couple from '97 especially are really incredible too. 2-18 and 2-21 from '97 he really let it all out at the end

Fan#41
03-23-2014, 11:25 AM
Yeah that 2/21/97 performance is so great. 8/25/94 is also another really great and eerie D&T version.

Mitch
03-23-2014, 12:19 PM
Ugh. That horn line is terrible, so entirely not in the spirit of the song.


I think R&R is one of the best songs Dave has ever written. I don't look at it as a standard song at all. It's dark, open, revealing, driven, angry, and the music accompanies the lyrics so well and that horn arrangement at the end completely kills the vibe and direction of the song.

I totally agree. This is not the song for a canned horn section line.

cryfreedom09
03-23-2014, 12:48 PM
You just challenged Brandon. Get ready:

:brandon

Yes I realized what I was getting myself into :lol

On a side note, the dmblive townpointe park version of R&R is my number 1 all time.

As I've mentioned before I am a huge dci junkie so some horn line parts many feel detract from the song I absolutely adore.

Tomacco
03-23-2014, 12:53 PM
I enjoy the R&R horn line addition.

gweeps
03-23-2014, 03:46 PM
I've said it before, but my favourite live version of Rhyme & Reason is from Central Park. I'm always impressed at how quickly Dave can go through those chord changes. Just a real solid version. And even though Tim is heavily present on the studio version and many subsequent live iterations, I don't miss him here.

Tomacco
03-23-2014, 03:47 PM
I've said it before, but my favourite live version of Rhyme & Reason is from Central Park. I'm always impressed at how quickly Dave can go through those chord changes. Just a real solid version. And even though Tim is heavily present on the studio version and many subsequent live iterations, I don't miss him here.

To me, no version without a Tim solo section can beat ones with him. That song is much better live with the Tim solo, imo.

Fan#41
03-23-2014, 03:56 PM
The studio cut of R&R is one of their best studio cuts period, imo. Right up there with Crush and Proudest Monkey.

mjf
03-23-2014, 04:22 PM
The one thing from the studio I really miss whenever it's played without Tim is the simple slide guitar he does during the verses. Even though it is very minimal. Something about how it contrasts with Dave's fantastic riff is perfection in my ears

Yeah that 2/21/97 performance is so great. 8/25/94 is also another really great and eerie D&T version.

I just gave that a listen again, I definitely agree. Fantastic show all around

mjf
03-23-2014, 04:26 PM
Also, I really am partial to Listener Supported. Probably has a lot to do with it being the first version I was introduced to though, cause for sure there are better versions. Also probably has to do with how freakin' good Dave's signature riffs (stone, warehouse, R&R, etc) sound on that release through his Martin.

Jayes
03-23-2014, 04:44 PM
Also, I really am partial to Listener Supported. Probably has a lot to do with it being the first version I was introduced to though, cause for sure there are better versions. Also probably has to do with how freakin' good Dave's signature riffs (stone, warehouse, R&R, etc) sound on that release through his Martin.

Damn that Martin is secksy

Thrawn
03-23-2014, 05:07 PM
Also, I really am partial to Listener Supported. Probably has a lot to do with it being the first version I was introduced to though, cause for sure there are better versions. Also probably has to do with how freakin' good Dave's signature riffs (stone, warehouse, R&R, etc) sound on that release through his Martin.

Yeah. LS still has my favorite guitar tone of his.

Billy'sTV
03-23-2014, 05:19 PM
The handful of April '94 R&Rs before the outro became set were brilliant. This is one of the best outro I've heard (w/ "Suicide is painless")...

SmpeWVe0p3w&start=233

McCready at Irvine was great but his amp was feeding back a bit....kinda sucks....

mjf
03-23-2014, 05:55 PM
Yeah. LS still has my favorite guitar tone of his.

Damn that Martin is secksy

Definitely my favorite tone with the band! I think '96-'97 D&T would be my favorite tone overall. It's too bad he largely ditched the DM3MD. It just had balls to it (for lack of a better word). Which is surprising to me because most guitars with Engelmann spruce tops don't handle an aggressive rhythm well, and especially new ones that haven't broken in. Weird.

Unplugged though, that guitar sounds like shit IMO. Which is fine, I think it was designed to be a stage type guitar.

Fan#41
03-23-2014, 07:31 PM
The handful of April '94 R&Rs before the outro became set were brilliant. This is one of the best outro I've heard (w/ "Suicide is painless")...

SmpeWVe0p3w&start=233




NICE. :upyours

kitkat
03-23-2014, 08:27 PM
The handful of April '94 R&Rs before the outro became set were brilliant. This is one of the best outro I've heard (w/ "Suicide is painless")...

SmpeWVe0p3w&start=233

McCready at Irvine was great but his amp was feeding back a bit....kinda sucks....

very cool outro indeed. and SHORTS! crazy.

Jayes
03-23-2014, 09:08 PM
The handful of April '94 R&Rs before the outro became set were brilliant. This is one of the best outro I've heard (w/ "Suicide is painless")... <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmpeWVe0p3w&start=233">YouTube Link</a> McCready at Irvine was great but his amp was feeding back a bit....kinda sucks....

Dude, that shit was cool! Im on an R&R kick right now. Just seems like he's using the audience as the priest in his confessional. THAT is why people like artists

batleon
03-24-2014, 11:01 AM
I love the versions since Tim came back sans the horn line. I agree it feels out of place in the song (as it does in a lot of the songs)

Huff
03-24-2014, 03:57 PM
So pumped for this release. Easily a top 5 show for me, and insanely glad I added it last minute.

sean52692
03-24-2014, 09:54 PM
Ugh. That horn line is terrible, so entirely not in the spirit of the song.

:upyours

No wonder first time I heard that line in R&R, I burst out laughing. Must have been 05/30/08 or so.

I agree. the horn section lines like that have gotten a little bit ridiculous, although I heavily enjoy a lot of it. Roi on 02/24/95 Watchtower is an example of how to get it right.

blumathu
03-25-2014, 08:17 AM
I'm so far from an expert that I shouldn't post this. But IMO it really all depends on the release. A lot of them I can't tell the difference either, but some are such a huge difference it is unbelievable. There's a very famous Pink Floyd bootleg (5.9.1977). A recent transfer of the original tape was done by guys like Doby. It was released in 3 different types, and for the same reason as your experiment I downloaded all three. I could definitely tell the difference FWIW

Again I'm so far from an expert. I truly believe 90% of it is no different than the placebo effect. The sad thing is too if Doby wrote that the 24 bit was vastly superior, when I went to listen to it I'd probably form the same opinion after reading his :lol

Where can one obtain this famous bootleg? I'm a huge pink floyd fan but have never bothered looking for bootlegs.

mjf
03-25-2014, 08:39 AM
Where can one obtain this famous bootleg? I'm a huge pink floyd fan but have never bothered looking for bootlegs.

Ah man, you are in for a treat. Set I is Animals in its entirety, Set II is Wish You Were Here in its entirety, double encore. Sounds better than a soundboard!

Join www.yeeshkul.com and then click the link below

http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?14572-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-09-fob-menke-motb-0053-flac24

blumathu
03-25-2014, 09:58 AM
Ah man, you are in for a treat. Set I is Animals in its entirety, Set II is Wish You Were Here in its entirety, double encore. Sounds better than a soundboard!

Join www.yeeshkul.com and then click the link below

http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?14572-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-09-fob-menke-motb-0053-flac24

Thank you! Will be grabbing this tonight!

mjf
03-25-2014, 10:02 AM
Thank you! Will be grabbing this tonight!

Sure thing buddy, lemme know if you need any more recommendations. That site not only has every available show, they usually have 3 different sources for each one. It's literally insane!

Mitch
03-25-2014, 11:26 AM
Ah man, you are in for a treat. Set I is Animals in its entirety, Set II is Wish You Were Here in its entirety, double encore. Sounds better than a soundboard!

Join www.yeeshkul.com and then click the link below

http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?14572-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-09-fob-menke-motb-0053-flac24

Definitely gonna check this out. I love Animals (and, of course, WYWH too) :upyours

Mitch
03-26-2014, 11:23 AM
That's because the LivePhish boards are HIGHLY compressed, so HDFLAC is sort of a joke coming from them.

Thanks for pointing this out last week, Frank. That probably was the case and it restored some faith in the potential of 96/24 for me. I bought Workingman's Dead and Petty's Damn the Torpedoes in 96/24 from HDTracks last night and they both sound phenomenal.

If I had to guess, though, I would unfortunately expect the Live Trax to be be compressed more so like the LivePhish than as opposed to those albums. Hope I'm wrong, though.

blumathu
03-28-2014, 09:31 AM
Sure thing buddy, lemme know if you need any more recommendations. That site not only has every available show, they usually have 3 different sources for each one. It's literally insane!

Listening now to that floyd show, this is so awesome! Do you have any recommendation for earlier shows? Would love to hear a decent live version of Embryo

mjf
03-31-2014, 12:29 PM
Listening now to that floyd show, this is so awesome! Do you have any recommendation for earlier shows? Would love to hear a decent live version of Embryo

Sorry I missed this post. Really glad you liked it man :upyours

I can top decent for ya when it comes to Embryo - http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?6100-1971-09-30-Pink-Floyd-BBC-Archives-1971-%28HRV-CDR-007B-Rev-A%29

Top 3 favorite show of mine. Best part? It's a BBC recording, so about as high quality as unofficial gets. It has my all-time favorite Echoes. Embryo did change quite a bit throughout the few years they played it, so if this isn't the arrangement you prefer just lemme know. Enjoy

gweeps
03-31-2014, 12:50 PM
Speaking of Pink Floyd, last year, I heard this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9PwTHATcyg) for the first time.

mjf
04-01-2014, 10:10 AM
Speaking of Pink Floyd, last year, I heard this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9PwTHATcyg) for the first time.

:upyours I actually had no idea that existed until last year as well! They went through a phase of doing soundtracks for films. I have that on an old harddrive, I'll up it for you if you'd like but I won't have access to the HD for a month or so.

Obscured By Clouds was also a soundtrack album (PF was the only artist though) that can out right before Dark Side of the Moon. It honestly is one of my favorite albums of theirs. Some of it is clearly written for the movie (pop love songs they just never did), but the good amount of it is classic Floyd and a great glimpse of what they were about to do with their breakthrough album

Sorry for hijacking :lol I'll find a PF thread in the ndmbc

abw123
04-01-2014, 10:16 AM
Obscured by Clouds is fucking great. Criminally underrated, as is The Final Cut, in my opinion.

batleon
04-01-2014, 10:45 AM
Every time this thread gets topped I keep hoping maybe there's an update like a sample track. Enough about Pink Floyd already :lol

ggies
04-01-2014, 11:23 AM
Every time this thread gets topped I keep hoping maybe there's an update like a sample track. Enough about Pink Floyd already :lol

Fuckin-A! :upyours:lol

mjf
04-01-2014, 12:50 PM
Sorry guys. Didn't you see the announcement on twitter? They upped Captain last week - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sVShT6nVTA

batleon
04-01-2014, 01:14 PM
You bastard.

mjf
04-01-2014, 01:16 PM
:lol sorry man, I'm in the spirit today for some reason. No clue why

gweeps
04-01-2014, 01:22 PM
Obscured by Clouds is fucking great. Criminally underrated, as is The Final Cut, in my opinion.I heartily agree with both sentiments.

batleon
04-01-2014, 01:36 PM
:lol sorry man, I'm in the spirit today for some reason. No clue why

I deserved it for my "take it to nDMBc!" comments :lol

mjf
04-01-2014, 04:46 PM
I deserved it for my "take it to nDMBc!" comments :lol

Haha na man, I don't blame ya- I've been going through the same with the Warehouse disc thread. If you were being a dick I would have gone for a Rick Roll :lol but it wasn't worth rick rolling myself to rick roll you if that makes any sense

DMBZeppelin
04-03-2014, 04:33 PM
Belly Belly Nice

Soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/dave-matthews-band/belly-belly-nice-live-trax-29

YouTube:

8qisUwdkKoc

Tomacco
04-03-2014, 04:56 PM
Oh hi, Boyd! Glad to hear you on BBN again!! :upyours:upyours

So weird how he's muted live and not on the recording. Same thing with Butch scatting on Jimi Thing n2 RR05.

mjf
04-03-2014, 05:03 PM
Oh hi, Boyd! Glad to hear you on BBN again!! :upyours:upyours

So weird how he's muted live and not on the recording. Same thing with Butch scatting on Jimi Thing n2 RR05.

I think some of it is just because of the audience tape to be honest. I did see one of the videos where he is completely sawing away and it's muted, so it definitely happens :lol Maybe this was just one of those examples where it was the aud pull? IDK

gweeps
04-03-2014, 05:14 PM
Don't like Carter's drum mix.

But it is nice to hear Boyd.

sean52692
04-03-2014, 05:20 PM
Don't like Carter's drum mix.

But it is nice to hear Boyd.

The drum mix sounds pretty bad, I agree. But it's YouTube audio. It is nice to hear BT, but he sounds terrible. Otherwise, a fine BBN.

torres
04-03-2014, 05:23 PM
Still cant get excited over this release.

Jack
04-03-2014, 05:42 PM
I think some of it is just because of the audience tape to be honest. I did see one of the videos where he is completely sawing away and it's muted, so it definitely happens :lol Maybe this was just one of those examples where it was the aud pull? IDK

Yes, he is muted live but of course they still record his violin. Then they take that audio, do what they can to make it listenable, and release it. They've been editing/audio tuning/flat out rerecording boyd since LiC.

And how would an audience recording totally not pick up his violin solo if it was played over the PA :lol

Thrawn
04-03-2014, 05:46 PM
Ok well I see why they mute him live. Couple of really rough moments in that solo. Yeesh.

Billy'sTV
04-03-2014, 05:50 PM
Just wish they'd be consistent w the muting......either do it live & on releases or don't do it live and tweak the releases.....his errors are generally fixable.

.

Jayes
04-03-2014, 05:55 PM
I really want to know if Boyd is honestly aware of this issue

JWood
04-03-2014, 05:59 PM
But it is nice to hear Boyd.

Said no one ever.




















Sorry, BT. Had to.

mjf
04-03-2014, 06:13 PM
Yes, he is muted live but of course they still record his violin. Then they take that audio, do what they can to make it listenable, and release it. They've been editing/audio tuning/flat out rerecording boyd since LiC.

And how would an audience recording totally not pick up his violin solo if it was played over the PA :lol

Extremely easily! You've never had seats on a weird side that gives you one of the lead instruments heavier than the others? The best example is ball parks. They notoriously will have a less than balanced sound. Haven't you ever downloaded a tape that one of the instruments was drowning out some of the other ones?

mjf
04-03-2014, 06:20 PM
And part of it too is the fact a lot of the videos of Boyd being muted are recorded with cell phones or digital cameras. They're not going to pick up every frequency with nearly the same precision as a tape pull...

Like I said though, I've 100% seen a clear video of him being muted. I just have seen a decent amount of examples that weren't convincingly him being muted.

Jack
04-03-2014, 06:24 PM
Extremely easily! You've never had seats on a weird side that gives you one of the lead instruments heavier than the others? The best example is ball parks. They notoriously will have a less than balanced sound. Haven't you ever downloaded a tape that one of the instruments was drowning out some of the other ones?

I've never heard an instance where the instrument becomes completely non existent on an audience recording / iphone video.

Jayes
04-03-2014, 06:25 PM
I've never heard an instance where the instrument becomes completely non existent on an audience recording.

Then you havent caught Blackjack or Graves. Sorry to hear it

Jack
04-03-2014, 06:26 PM
Then you havent caught Blackjack or Graves. Sorry to hear it

What are you talking about?

mjf
04-03-2014, 06:47 PM
:lol he's talking about when they mute boyd I think that was a good one

Jack
04-03-2014, 06:57 PM
:lol he's talking about when they mute boyd I think that was a good one

Okay, that's what I didn't get as it's pretty clear you & I are talking about not being able to hear something on an audience recording that is clearly audible at the show. It happens on sbds, and can not come through as clearly on the tape, but all I'm saying is you can still make it out on the tape. Boyd is definitely getting muted, that's not up for debate.

Mitch
04-03-2014, 07:21 PM
What are you talking about?

Most of the time, only Jayes knows what Jayes is taking about

mjf
04-03-2014, 10:00 PM
Okay, that's what I didn't get as it's pretty clear you & I are talking about not being able to hear something on an audience recording that is clearly audible at the show. It happens on sbds, and can not come through as clearly on the tape, but all I'm saying is you can still make it out on the tape. Boyd is definitely getting muted, that's not up for debate.

I was just dropping it because it's a silly thing to argue about :) but I guess that's the point of these forums. I'll gladly dig up a video of a camera phone that the sound is distorted enough that the distortion completely drowns out a member at extended parts if you'd like. But like I said, I've seen videos posted that either had clear audio or were Billy's that were overdubbed with the Aud pull showing Boyd muted.

As for each venue having a completely mono sound system heard from each seat? I don't know man. It's just my experience, but I've sat in seats that were very rhythm section heavy. Unless you have had primo seats every show since 2008, I'm shocked you haven't too. Sure, it's not enough to completely drown the member out, but for parts of a song? Definitely. Not during a solo, but definitely during a fill- which I've seen people post as muting.

batleon
04-04-2014, 07:10 AM
Hey a real update with no Pink Floyd talk!

Funny about Boyd here, but whatever. He doesn't sound that bad here. Best we can hope for from him these days...

Overall, I like it. Looking forward to this one. Listened to Hartford N2 this week in preparation and in general they were fairly inspired last year so getting a release from that tour is nice :upyours

celluloid hero
04-04-2014, 07:53 AM
It will be interesting to hear him on Crush. During his solo it sounded like he was playing a different song at times.

Jack
04-04-2014, 09:22 AM
It will be interesting to hear him on Crush. During his solo it sounded like he was playing a different song at times.

:lol

The Godfather
04-04-2014, 10:26 AM
Most of the time, only Jayes knows what Jayes is taking about

Sounds like myself too. :hump

mjf
04-04-2014, 11:59 AM
It will be interesting to hear him on Crush. During his solo it sounded like he was playing a different song at times.

:lol

Jayes
04-04-2014, 01:35 PM
Yeah maybe I wasnt being clear but nvm

cryfreedom09
04-04-2014, 05:44 PM
How long until they just start muting Boyd on the live releases as well :lol

MaLaKaS
04-05-2014, 10:53 PM
From now on, whenever Boyd contributes on a song, they should just list him as a guest.

sean52692
04-05-2014, 10:59 PM
Guests actually contribute....

mjf
04-05-2014, 11:32 PM
From now on, whenever Boyd contributes on a song, they should just list him as a guest.

:lol

Fan#41
04-08-2014, 05:04 PM
How long until they just start muting Boyd on the live releases as well :lol

I don't know but they're trying to be very diskreet about it.

cryfreedom09
04-08-2014, 06:03 PM
I don't know but they're trying to be very diskreet about it.

Seriously :lol

mjf
04-08-2014, 06:28 PM
I'd pay a thousand dollars to hear the conversation they had with Boyd about heading back into the studio to touch up LIC

cryfreedom09
04-08-2014, 06:48 PM
I'd pay a thousand dollars to hear the conversation they had with Boyd about heading back into the studio to touch up LIC

That would be great. I wonder how many takes it took.

MaLaKaS
04-08-2014, 07:10 PM
Boyd should just sit in the out during shows and just hug people in the first row all night. Or hire the Everyday video dude and hug each other...stage right.

soright05
04-08-2014, 07:14 PM
Mine says it shipped, how often do these arrive early?


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cryfreedom09
04-08-2014, 07:25 PM
Mine says it shipped, how often do these arrive early?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It's very common to arrive early. I got live trax 28 on the Friday before it was released.

mjf
04-08-2014, 08:21 PM
Boyd should just sit in the out during shows and just hug people in the first row all night. Or hire the Everyday video dude and hug each other...stage right.

:lol

Dude, they could set multiple unbreakable world records...

Monk
04-08-2014, 08:31 PM
Boyd should just sit in the out during shows and just hug people in the first row all night. Or hire the Everyday video dude and hug each other...stage right.


I'd love to see a re-edit of the Everyday video where the guy runs into Boyd in Cville and gets an awkward hug for the last minute and a half of the song.

http://www.mtv.com/content/style/photos/flipbooks/30-rock/7-10-Hug-Stain.jpg

Billy'sTV
04-08-2014, 08:36 PM
Lillywhite on Boyd (before he was rehired for AFTW):

I0smbGp1N5M

MaLaKaS
04-08-2014, 10:16 PM
I'd love to see a re-edit of the Everyday video where the guy runs into Boyd in Cville and gets an awkward hug for the last minute and a half of the song.

http://www.mtv.com/content/style/photos/flipbooks/30-rock/7-10-Hug-Stain.jpg


:lol even the a Everyday dude fears Boyd.

sean52692
04-08-2014, 10:46 PM
Lillywhite on Boyd (before he was rehired for AFTW):

I0smbGp1N5M

Honest and accurate take on Boyd even in the 90s, it seems.

MaLaKaS
04-08-2014, 10:55 PM
Honest and accurate take on Boyd even in the 90s, it seems.


I would bet that he was easier to record during the UTTAD sessions than BTCS.

greykitkat36
04-09-2014, 01:58 AM
wow, that's a cool vid with lillywhite...didn't realize how douchey he was. And didn't know Boyd was really that inconsistent in the studio either, interesting to know. I really hope he finds MacHead and it sees the light of day at some point. I don't care if it turns out to be Blackjack or something, just would be nice to hear.

Jayes
04-09-2014, 07:27 AM
I'd pay a thousand dollars to hear the conversation they had with Boyd about heading back into the studio to touch up LIC

:upyours as would I

I don't know but they're trying to be very diskreet about it.

:lol nicely done

Billy'sTV
04-09-2014, 09:01 AM
wow, that's a cool vid with lillywhite...didn't realize how douchey he was. And didn't know Boyd was really that inconsistent in the studio either, interesting to know. I really hope he finds MacHead and it sees the light of day at some point. I don't care if it turns out to be Blackjack or something, just would be nice to hear.

There's another part to that from his next radio show. He said he found it in his bedroom but that he 1) has never leaked anything, 2) Wouldn't play it w/o managment permission and he didn't see why they'd do that. Then he said the DMB fans could run along now.....think he was getting a lot of msgs about it....

ThememanXX
04-09-2014, 11:07 AM
I don't care if it turns out to be Blackjack or something, just would be nice to hear.

:lol DMB hardcore fans' heads would explode.

"YOU DON'T GIVE UP YOU DON'T SURVIVE....GIVE UP!
YOU DON'T GIVE UP YOU DON'T SURVIVE MAC HEAD."

Tomacco
04-09-2014, 11:59 AM
:lol DMB hardcore fans' heads would explode.

"YOU DON'T GIVE UP YOU DON'T SURVIVE....GIVE UP!
YOU DON'T GIVE UP YOU DON'T SURVIVE MAC HEAD."

If MacHead turned out to be Blackjack, that would be the funniest DMB-related thing to ever happen, without question.

MaLaKaS
04-09-2014, 12:01 PM
:lol DMB hardcore fans' heads would explode.



"YOU DON'T GIVE UP YOU DON'T SURVIVE....GIVE UP!

YOU DON'T GIVE UP YOU DON'T SURVIVE MAC HEAD."


Lillywhite would follow-up to having the demo by saying, "I got what you want. I got what you want. I got what you need."

Jayes
04-09-2014, 01:18 PM
:lol

Poth Ead
04-09-2014, 02:38 PM
If MacHead turned out to be Blackjack, that would be the funniest DMB-related thing to ever happen, without question.

:lol made me laugh although we all know there's no connection, right?

MaLaKaS
04-09-2014, 06:48 PM
:lol made me laugh although we all know there's no connection, right?

Hmmm.......

MaLaKaS
04-09-2014, 10:27 PM
So is anyone ordering the 24 bit FLAC version? I was thinking about going for it.

celluloid hero
04-10-2014, 08:58 AM
I will if the reviews are good. My 24 bit Junta is amazing.

Mitch
04-10-2014, 09:05 AM
I will if the reviews are good. My 24 bit Junta is amazing.

Yeah, I agree, the Junta is fantastic. But a lot of that, I imagine, has to do with the mastering, etc., too. Because the 24-bit Live Phish show downloads sound no better than the 256k, IMO. I hope this 24-bit sounds great, but it's definitely not a sure thing (as you know, from your "wait for the reviews" comment).

mario
04-10-2014, 11:45 AM
As for each venue having a completely mono sound system heard from each seat? I don't know man. It's just my experience, but I've sat in seats that were very rhythm section heavy. Unless you have had primo seats every show since 2008, I'm shocked you haven't too. Sure, it's not enough to completely drown the member out, but for parts of a song? Definitely. Not during a solo, but definitely during a fill- which I've seen people post as muting.
Like ten years ago DMB switched from mono sound to stereo sound in amphitheaters. I believe they ran mono in stadiums and when they stopped playing stadiums switched back. When they ran mono, everyone tried to stack tape. Now they need to tape FOB again or matrix two stacks recordings.

mjf
04-10-2014, 01:54 PM
Like ten years ago DMB switched from mono sound to stereo sound in amphitheaters. I believe they ran mono in stadiums and when they stopped playing stadiums switched back. When they ran mono, everyone tried to stack tape. Now they need to tape FOB again or matrix two stacks recordings.

Thanks for the info, I was just going off my experience and really couldn't back it up. It makes sense that some of my best seats have been straight back, far away from the stage (but not so close to the back that reverberation starts screwing it up). These days I try to get the best seats for sound... I really don't need to see how much hair Dave lost since last year or Boyd's pubes at this point :lol

mrpeters
04-10-2014, 02:42 PM
got tracking, maybe this shows up on saturday!

The Godfather
04-10-2014, 02:55 PM
These days I try to get the best seats for sound... I really don't need to see how much hair Dave lost since last year or Boyd's pubes at this point :lol

:upyours

mjf
04-10-2014, 02:59 PM
got tracking, maybe this shows up on saturday!

For some reason I thought this was the warehouse disc thread. And despite the fact they never give a tracking number for the package, I got seriously fuckin exciting :lol

Looking forward to this too tho

blumathu
04-11-2014, 01:47 PM
I got this in the mail today. Pretty happy with disc 1 (all I've listened to so far).

Mitch
04-11-2014, 01:51 PM
I got this in the mail today

:upyours good to hear

soright05
04-11-2014, 07:00 PM
How does it sound?


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gweeps
04-13-2014, 10:07 AM
The mix isn't terrible. A little stuffy. Hard to hear everyone. But that's to be expected with DMB 3.0...

MaLaKaS
04-13-2014, 10:46 AM
The mix isn't terrible. A little stuffy. Hard to hear everyone. But that's to be expected with DMB 3.0...


So would you recommend the regular FLAC version over the 24-bit version?

Poth Ead
04-13-2014, 11:03 AM
The mix isn't terrible. A little stuffy. Hard to hear everyone. But that's to be expected with DMB 3.0...

actually, I got my copy yesterday. Listened to a majority of it on headphones last night and thought the mix was pretty good. I can hear all the members fine :dunno

I think the flow of this show is pretty great.

Found myself enjoying this Nancies > Warehouse tremendously :smoke

somf4eva
04-13-2014, 05:34 PM
Listening now. Through captain, I am really enjoying this release.

Fan#41
04-13-2014, 07:14 PM
Mix is ok. I like the level on the crowd noise. It still amazes me that Idea of You was never released as a studio track. It's the most single/radio-friendly song they created in years.

trippinbillyrmc
04-13-2014, 07:22 PM
Mix is ok. I like the level on the crowd noise. It still amazes me that Idea of You was never released as a studio track. It's the most single/radio-friendly song they created in years. I'd agree with that.

TheNoise
04-13-2014, 08:36 PM
this sounds really nice.

only on captain, hoping boyd not being muted won't cause too much distraction for the rest of the show (what is he doing on IOY, just aimlessly wandering around notes). sad that between aimless wandering and muting, there are plenty of times where i'd take him muted. sad.

TheNoise
04-13-2014, 08:39 PM
man i'd really love a Crazy Easy and KKJ from 2013 released.

sean52692
04-13-2014, 08:47 PM
man i'd really love a Crazy Easy and KKJ from 2013 released.

that Charlotte show would be nice.....that Recently is pretty fine, as well

Thrawn
04-13-2014, 08:47 PM
Mix isn't bad. Not the clearest, but it's balanced pretty well.

Performances are pretty great, with the obvious exception of our favorite Mr. Tinsley, aimlessly fucking around over there on the left.

I'm really happy we have one of these versions of Idea of You.

Poth Ead
04-13-2014, 09:09 PM
Mix isn't bad. Not the clearest, but it's balanced pretty well.

Performances are pretty great, with the obvious exception of our favorite Mr. Tinsley, aimlessly fucking around over there on the left.

I'm really happy we have one of these versions of Idea of You.

Very good IOY. Performances are really good I agree :smoke
Boyd on the left channel is hysterical. Especially during Seven :lol sounds like he's pickin on the pubes with his teeth

TheNoise
04-13-2014, 09:12 PM
the last couple minutes of this Crush are quite quite tasty

TheNoise
04-13-2014, 09:29 PM
ah yes, this Bartender. love the speed at which they play it. really tight version, with some really great stuff from tim at the end

JustinC
04-13-2014, 09:34 PM
ah yes, this Bartender. love the speed at which they play it. really tight version, with some really great stuff from tim at the end

I can't believe there are people in the fanbase that prefer a Butch borefest Bartender over what Bartender has become with this lineup.

sean52692
04-13-2014, 09:34 PM
Can't wait to hear this one. Will probably buy the flacs on Tuesday when it's available.

sean52692
04-13-2014, 09:36 PM
I can't believe there are people in the fanbase that prefer a Butch borefest Bartender over what Bartender has become with this lineup.

Seriously....Bartender is one that was just a black hole of boringness from Butch. At least Two Step had a few awesome Butch solos here and there.

mjf
04-13-2014, 09:39 PM
this sounds really nice.

only on captain, hoping boyd not being muted won't cause too much distraction for the rest of the show (what is he doing on IOY, just aimlessly wandering around notes). sad that between aimless wandering and muting, there are plenty of times where i'd take him muted. sad.

It was pretty depressing hearing that Last Stop released on that bonus disc recently from charlottesville. Turned him real low but would have been better to just mute him during the reprise.

sean52692
04-13-2014, 09:43 PM
BT sounds like he's killing an animal during the reprise from Last Stop at Wrigley.

cryfreedom09
04-13-2014, 10:23 PM
ah yes, this Bartender. love the speed at which they play it. really tight version, with some really great stuff from tim at the end

I can't believe there are people in the fanbase that prefer a Butch borefest Bartender over what Bartender has become with this lineup.

Bartender is perfect with this lineup

mjf
04-13-2014, 10:24 PM
BT sounds like he's killing an animal during the reprise from Last Stop at Wrigley.

:lol

gweeps
04-14-2014, 07:03 AM
Stefan sounds good in this.

But I think my gripe has more to do with the fact some songs simply have too many people playing all at once. This lack of breathing room makes the music sound congested. Again, nothing new with this version of DMB. Everything (mostly) must be LOUD.

mjf
04-14-2014, 09:33 AM
Stefan sounds good in this.

But I think my gripe has more to do with the fact some songs simply have too many people playing all at once. This lack of breathing room makes the music sound congested. Again, nothing new with this version of DMB. Everything (mostly) must be LOUD.

As much as I love this lineup I'd have to agree. My favorite part of the fall '98 tour was how small songs could start, and through progressive layering just explode at the end. Seekup --> Rapunzel (with the jams inbetween) from 12.8 is a great example. I'm hoping this new format might bring that back

Waka Jawaka
04-14-2014, 10:16 AM
BT sounds like he's killing an animal during the reprise from Last Stop at Wrigley.

http://i.imgur.com/JjW9P4V.gif

mjf
04-14-2014, 10:54 AM
I could have gone my entire life never seeing that gif just fine :lol

JustinC
04-14-2014, 11:07 AM
They are so much better now than what they had become with sleep inducing Butch Taylor.

Now all they gotta do is sack up and tell Boyd it's time for him to get his shit together or call it a career with DMB.

Billy'sTV
04-14-2014, 11:14 AM
Edit: Going to listen more today.....

batleon
04-14-2014, 11:38 AM
Came today, looking forward to listening to this.

Is this the first time Rashawn, Tim, and Jeff aren't separated out from the rest of the band in the liner notes as "special guests" or whatever?

ggies
04-14-2014, 11:57 AM
Again, nothing new with this version of DMB. Everything (mostly) must be LOUD.

Reminds me of Jacob Silj: :lol
t8k2AAMTZKo

mjf
04-14-2014, 12:02 PM
Came today, looking forward to listening to this.

Is this the first time Rashawn, Tim, and Jeff aren't separated out from the rest of the band in the liner notes as "special guests" or whatever?

I'm not sure, but I'm honestly glad they did that. Jeff replaced a crucial member. Rashawn helps arrange songs and had a hell of a lot of writing credits for BW/AFTW. Tim has been around since the beginning, has writing credits on a number of songs, and obviously (for better or worse) is such a vital component for this incarnation of the band. By the sounds of it from multiple interviews, if it wasn't for Tim pushing Dave to get a band and helping to put the band together, Dave might still be a bartender. They deserve that :upyours