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TheNoise
11-05-2014, 03:41 PM
Dave Matthews Band performed three shows at the Greek Theatre in Berkeley, CA on August 22-24, 2014. The Saturday show of the celebrated weekend has been chosen as Live Trax 32 and will be released in its entirety as a 1-DVD / 3-CD set. Select songs from the Friday and Sunday shows will be available on a bonus disk with pre-orders (8 songs for Warehouse members/5 songs for public store).

The August 23rd Greek show features never-before-released acoustic material and showcases the band’s intimately cohesive, high-spirited live delivery of their music. Highlights of Live Trax 32 include the tour's acoustic debut of One Sweet World and the first live release of If Only. Rhyme and Reason with Stefan on stand-up bass and Jeff Coffin on flute and the funky, infectious groove of Recently are also noteworthy. Electric set stand-outs include the set opening #41 followed by When the World Ends and Rooftop and an explosive Grey Street which brought the energy of an encore during mid-show. The Lovely Ladies contributed in large part to the Berkeley magic, joining the band for tremendous vocals on Everyday, You and Me and Burning Down the House. The show-closing Rapunzel was a nice surprise ending to a stellar evening with the band.

The bonus disc contains a round-up of the best tunes from the first and last nights of the Greek stand including Tim’s epic performance in You Might Die Trying; a beautiful acoustic Typical Situation as well as the latest iteration of Bartender performed by Dave and Tim. For the long-time fans, the debut acoustic release of Loving Wings offers both beauty and liveliness that parallel the electric version. Tripping Billies and What Would You Say round out the disc as additional acoustic release debuts.

Please note – Live Trax 32 is available for pre-order and will ship on or around December 5, 2014.

Dave Matthews Band
August 23, 2014
William Randolph Hearst Greek Theatre, Berkeley, CA

Stay or Leave
Satellite
One Sweet World
Sweet
Crash into Me
Rhyme & Reason
Recently
Ants Marching
-----------------------------------
#41
When the World Ends
Rooftop
Digging a Ditch
Warehouse
If Only
Grey Street
Lover Lay Down
Everyday !
You & Me !
Can't Stop !
Burning Down the House !
-----------------------------------
The Space Between
Granny
Pantala Naga Pampa
Rapunzel

! = The Lovely Ladies (!!!!!!)
EXTENDED TRAX

1. Bartender 8.22.14
2. Typical Situation 8.24.14
3. You Might Die Trying 8.22.14
4. Spaceman 8.22.14
5. Drive In, Drive Out 8.24.14
6. Loving Wings 8.24.14
7. Tripping Billies 8.24.14
8. What Would You Say 8.22.14

KwaKeeSirPeeNeeKu
11-05-2014, 03:44 PM
Meh

.Gary.
11-05-2014, 03:45 PM
Great, more shit.

ThememanXX
11-05-2014, 03:48 PM
Woof.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dRa75_Hlr28/0.jpg

ThememanXX
11-05-2014, 03:49 PM
Oh, so the tour MVPs, Two Step and Minarets, aren't included? FUCK. Also, no Snow Outside, Beach Ball, I'll Back You Up? :lol

EXTENDED TRAX

1. Bartender 8.22.14
2. Typical Situation 8.24.14
3. You Might Die Trying 8.22.14
4. Spaceman 8.22.14
5. Drive In, Drive Out 8.24.14
6. Loving Wings 8.24.14
7. Tripping Billies 8.24.14
8. What Would You Say 8.22.14

This is probably the worst-case scenario release.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 03:50 PM
At least a Greek dvd will be cool to see. Bonus disc is solid, also continuing that trend.

KwaKeeSirPeeNeeKu
11-05-2014, 03:50 PM
No Snow Outside either! Unbelievable...

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 03:51 PM
I know people are gonna hate on this for sure. But I don't care. I was at those shows, had a blast, and listen to the recordings a lot. Love that I'll get a DVD of the show. I will say though that the Saturday show was easily the lesser of the three, so that's a shame. On the plus side, they got Typical and Loving Wings on the bonus disc, which are amazing versions. And WWYS and DIDO was great this year, and this version of YMDT is awesome too.

Shame no inclusion of LBV, Seek Up, Snow Outside, SDL, Two Step, BOWA or Minarets.
I think at least though people will appreciate and enjoy these official released acoustic songs, since they're the first we're getting.

ThememanXX
11-05-2014, 03:52 PM
Wonder what Live Trax 33 will be.....wait.....does anyone even care anymore? Releasing this one is pretty much a kick in the nuts.

mjf
11-05-2014, 03:52 PM
:lol woof is right

Well I'll download Recently and Rhyme I guess. Glad the bonus disc thing is becoming the norm

Hopefully they'll hook us up with some good dmblive. I hope that they give us another old school D&T show like they did with the 2 LTs in late 2012 and 3/3/99 in Jan '14. Hope that releasing one in winter is gonna become the pattern for sure

mjf
11-05-2014, 03:53 PM
I know people are gonna hate on this for sure. But I don't care. I was at those shows, had a blast, and listen to the recordings a lot. Love that I'll get a DVD of the show. I will say though that the Saturday show was easily the lesser of the three, so that's a shame. On the plus side, they got Typical and Loving Wings on the bonus disc, which are amazing versions. And WWYS and DIDO was great this year, and this version of YMDT is awesome too.

Shame no inclusion of LBV, Seek Up, Snow Outside, SDL, or Minarets.

Cool man :upyours always nice when a show you were at and enjoyed comes out

italy8384
11-05-2014, 03:53 PM
DVD...really? You could probably find higher quality video on Youtube of the show. They have to be the only band out there that has yet to release a bluray (not counting Dave and Tim).

DMBCLSTJ
11-05-2014, 03:55 PM
I know people are gonna hate on this for sure. But I don't care. I was at those shows, had a blast, and listen to the recordings a lot. Love that I'll get a DVD of the show. I will say though that the Saturday show was easily the lesser of the three, so that's a shame. On the plus side, they got Typical and Loving Wings on the bonus disc, which are amazing versions. And WWYS and DIDO was great this year, and this version of YMDT is awesome too.

Shame no inclusion of LBV, Seek Up, Snow Outside, SDL, Two Step, BOWA or Minarets.
I think at least though people will appreciate and enjoy these official released acoustic songs, since they're the first we're getting.

Yep, terrible show to choose.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 03:55 PM
DVD...really? You could probably find higher quality video on Youtube of the show. They have to be the only band out there that has yet to release a bluray (not counting Dave and Tim).

It's not going to be a bonus disc of a Live Trax. Ever. Stop expecting it, should have stopped expecting it with the CVille show. In order to do that, they need to make multiple packages for video, which is harder to predict. If a bluray happens, it will not be a standard Live Trax show.

DMBCLSTJ
11-05-2014, 03:57 PM
I know people are gonna hate on this for sure. But I don't care. I was at those shows, had a blast, and listen to the recordings a lot. Love that I'll get a DVD of the show. I will say though that the Saturday show was easily the lesser of the three, so that's a shame. On the plus side, they got Typical and Loving Wings on the bonus disc, which are amazing versions. And WWYS and DIDO was great this year, and this version of YMDT is awesome too.

Shame no inclusion of LBV, Seek Up, Snow Outside, SDL, Two Step, BOWA or Minarets.
I think at least though people will appreciate and enjoy these official released acoustic songs, since they're the first we're getting.

Who doesn't have a blast at the shows. I get that, but if I am shelling out $25, I expect a top tier show.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 03:58 PM
Oh, so the tour MVPs, Two Step and Minarets, aren't included? FUCK. Also, no Snow Outside, Beach Ball, I'll Back You Up? :lol

EXTENDED TRAX

1. Bartender 8.22.14
2. Typical Situation 8.24.14
3. You Might Die Trying 8.22.14
4. Spaceman 8.22.14
5. Drive In, Drive Out 8.24.14
6. Loving Wings 8.24.14
7. Tripping Billies 8.24.14
8. What Would You Say 8.22.14

This is probably the worst-case scenario release.

:upyours I hate to pile on, but this is a terrible pick. Predictable, but come on, picking anything that doesn't have those two songs on it, and not even bothering to put them on the bonus disc? Unforgivable. Fuck this one. Pass.

Tambourine Man
11-05-2014, 03:58 PM
Can't believe they're bundling those Sperry prints. I wonder what the run on them is.

ThememanXX
11-05-2014, 03:58 PM
It's not going to be a bonus disc of a Live Trax. Ever. Stop expecting it, should have stopped expecting it with the CVille show. In order to do that, they need to make multiple packages for video, which is harder to predict. If a bluray happens, it will not be a standard Live Trax show.

I don't think he's saying it should be a bonus disc, I think he's saying DMB should pick a show and release it on blu-ray, that's it, aside from the LT series. Feels like they're wasting their time with DVD's, which are slowly becoming obsolete.

It's cool that a DVD is included, but man, this show is just VASTLY underwhelming.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 03:59 PM
Wonder what Live Trax 33 will be.....wait.....does anyone even care anymore? Releasing this one is pretty much a kick in the nuts.

did we stop caring when LT 10 was shit? Do you really think anyone will be less excited if 33 rules because 32 did not? Probably more excited, don't you think?

If anyone thought this wouldn't be a 2014, you haven't been paying attention the last 12 years. Certainly could have been a better show, no doubt. But only 1 show would have satisfied and I'm guessing the venue had to do with the selection.

I'd like to see Snow Outside w/ Bela on the WH disc.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 04:00 PM
I don't think he's saying it should be a bonus disc, I think he's saying DMB should pick a show and release it on blu-ray, that's it, aside from the LT series. Feels like they're wasting their time with DVD's, which are slowly becoming obsolete.

It's cool that a DVD is included, but man, this show is just VASTLY underwhelming.

If that's what he thinks, then it shouldn't be so flabbergasting in a thread responding to a DVD on Live Trax. I would say the timing, and the thread that it's posted in debate your point. Show selection aside.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 04:00 PM
Oh, so the tour MVPs, Two Step and Minarets, aren't included? FUCK. Also, no Snow Outside, Beach Ball, I'll Back You Up?

pretty much this. Didn't want a 2014 show (knew we would get one though obviously), but at least pick a better one.

dmb1981
11-05-2014, 04:03 PM
Oh, so the tour MVPs, Two Step and Minarets, aren't included? FUCK. Also, no Snow Outside, Beach Ball, I'll Back You Up? :lol

EXTENDED TRAX

1. Bartender 8.22.14
2. Typical Situation 8.24.14
3. You Might Die Trying 8.22.14
4. Spaceman 8.22.14
5. Drive In, Drive Out 8.24.14
6. Loving Wings 8.24.14
7. Tripping Billies 8.24.14
8. What Would You Say 8.22.14

This is probably the worst-case scenario release.

Absolutely incredible they screw this up so badly. Wow

Mersh
11-05-2014, 04:03 PM
Ok, can we get a new DMBLive then please?

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 04:04 PM
Ok, can we get a new DMBLive then please?

:upyours Seriously.

DMBCLSTJ
11-05-2014, 04:07 PM
To me this would have been the perfect compromise for a release:

Dave Matthews Band
June 10, 2014
PNC Bank Arts Center, Holmdel, NJ

Ants Marching
Stolen Away on 55th & 3rd
Oh
Pay for What You Get
Minarets
Snow Outside
What Would You Say
Two Step
-----------------------------------
Pig
Granny
Grey Street
Crush
Seven
Rooftop
Say Goodbye
Drive In Drive Out
If Only
Lie in Our Graves
#36 [tease]
Save Me
You & Me
Stay (Wasting Time)
-----------------------------------
The Space Between
Pantala Naga Pampa
Rapunzel

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 04:08 PM
I really think the selection was due to having the Greek for DVD purposes. Picking which of those three nights once you decide that is another story. But all of us wanting a different venue, I think this had almost everything to do with this pick.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 04:09 PM
ED>Can't Stop...hot run.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 04:09 PM
I'd even add BDTH to close the set, but people nut for that one.

mario
11-05-2014, 04:10 PM
Will they just be burning these off individually from a laptop as the 11 orders they get roll in?

DMBCLSTJ
11-05-2014, 04:11 PM
Will they just be burning these off individually from a laptop as the 11 orders they get roll in?

:lol:lol:lol

Mersh
11-05-2014, 04:12 PM
Will they just be burning these off individually from a laptop as the 11 orders they get roll in?

heh

mario
11-05-2014, 04:13 PM
I also love how much they tried to bury the fact that the Lovely Ladies were at the show. Don't even denote it on the tracklisting and hide it in the middle of a huge paragraph of text.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 04:15 PM
I also love how much they tried to bury the fact that the Lovely Ladies were at the show. Don't even denote it on the tracklisting and hide it in the middle of a huge paragraph of text.

Nothing about how shocked you are they got this in?

mario
11-05-2014, 04:18 PM
Nothing about how shocked you are they got this in?
Oh no, I totally understand it now.

They picked a shitfest show from the shittiest tour they ever did. They have no concern people would ever choose between this OR UTTAD.

It's catering to two completely different fanbases. If you like music, you'll want the UTTAD remasters. If you are deaf and dumb, you'll waste money on this abortion. It'll be a pure venn diagram of customers:

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celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 04:23 PM
Whatever dude, that's fucking cop out and you know it. They released this show because it was a 2014 and it's late 2014, just like I explained to you. It had nothing to do with UTTAD, it had to do with looking at 12 years of history.

mjf
11-05-2014, 04:29 PM
pretty much this. Didn't want a 2014 show (knew we would get one though obviously), but at least pick a better one.

:upyours amen

Wonder what Live Trax 33 will be.....wait.....does anyone even care anymore? Releasing this one is pretty much a kick in the nuts.

:upyours

Seriously, if they just had to release this show instead of one of the few really good ones... would it be so much to ask for the bonus disc to include the stuff that was unique to this tour? I get that they want to release a 2014 show, but there's so damn little here to be excited about

Seriously, I think the most exciting part of this release is that it looks good now all future ones will have bonus discs :lol

I really think the selection was due to having the Greek for DVD purposes. Picking which of those three nights once you decide that is another story. But all of us wanting a different venue, I think this had almost everything to do with this pick.

I'm a bit confused here, did the Greek have extra cameras or something? I thought the video was just coming from them editing the raw feeds they use from the screens each night, and I thought they saved them from every show. Am I totally wrong there?

mario
11-05-2014, 04:29 PM
No, that's a cop out. As I said multiple times, they wouldn't release a 2014 as a bundle with UTTAD, which they didn't. And I couldn't understand why they would cannabalize UTTAD. They didn't. They released a piece of crap show that no one who is interested in UTTAD will buy.

It's a shit show from about two weeks after the band wanted the tour to be over which just panderis to the worst elements of the fan base. I guess I had more faith that they might release something from the two good weeks of the summer, in which case people who had any sense of musical taste might have been torn between buying both.

But instead, Coran figured out how to reach a wider market.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 04:39 PM
They definitely could have picked a better 2014 show to release, especially for a DVD. Not sure if the cameras even really captured the atmosphere of the Greek (there were no booms or anything). But again, purely on a selfish level, I'm happy to get this to re-live the experience, since I was there. But yes, fully agree there were better '14 shows to choose. And two of them are 8/22 and 8/24.

That being said, we're getting this, so here's what's worth checking out from the release:
- Recently (one of the acoustic highlights this year, and this was a good version)
- Sweet (Carter on bongos throughout the song)
- Rhyme & Reason (Jeff on flue - those acoustic versions were great thsi year)
- Warehouse (one of the best I've heard, plus Louie Louie interpolation)
- Lover Lay Down (first release with Jeff)
- Space Between (first full-band release with Jeff and Tim)
- Loving Wings (just a great acoustic jam)
- Typical Situation (played like the studio album, with the jam just being a great sax solo)
- What Would You Say (2014 highlight; Jeff flute solo)
- DIDO (imo, this was the first year with the 3.0 lineup where the song sounded great).
- YMDT (just a great version)
- The Lovely Ladies stuff (Everyday is pretty good, and some of it is just worth a laugh - Can't Stop especially)

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 04:40 PM
I'm a bit confused here, did the Greek have extra cameras or something? I thought the video was just coming from them editing the raw feeds they use from the screens each night, and I thought they saved them from every show. Am I totally wrong there?

I haven't been to the Greek. Can you see parts of the venue on the video? If not than I don't know, other than just wanting to get a show from the venue.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 04:42 PM
I haven't been to the Greek. Can you see parts of the venue on the video? If not than I don't know, other than just wanting to get a show from the venue.

I didn't notice any extra cameras all three nights, so I'm confused about this too. It's a great venue with a really wonderful unique intimate atmosphere (like a circular Red Rocks). If it were filmed like Red Rocks was, with booms and all, and there were lots of angles of the venue, then this would make a great DVD, but I don't even think it was. Unless they captured stuff I'm not aware of.

roshea999
11-05-2014, 04:43 PM
I was at all three shows, enjoyed the trip, but have no interest in this at all. Bad release

drummerkrf
11-05-2014, 04:51 PM
Oh sweet.. now I can get a shit show AND the creepy he-she Rocky Horror poster that accompanies it.

drummerkrf
11-05-2014, 04:52 PM
IF... and that's a big 'if' after hearing the 24-bit LT29 bludgeoning.... they get this mix right for the hi-res market... I would be interested in making this purchase.

But that's the only reason for me.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 04:53 PM
IF... and that's a big 'if' after hearing the 24kHz LT29 bludgeoning.... they get this mix right for the hi-res market... I would be interested in making this purchase. But that's the only reason for me.

If it is a shit show, why would this matter?

Steveo Style
11-05-2014, 04:54 PM
Give us a freaking blu-ray, my God. They're 8 years behind on this. You're going to have 4k Blu-Rays coming out before this band releases a blu-ray.

mjf
11-05-2014, 04:58 PM
IF... and that's a big 'if' after hearing the 24-bit LT29 bludgeoning.... they get this mix right for the hi-res market... I would be interested in making this purchase.

But that's the only reason for me.

:lol getting a shit show because if it is mastered right?? You sir, are an audiophile through and through ;)

drummerkrf
11-05-2014, 04:58 PM
If it is a shit show, why would this matter?


Because they're the biggest band with a quite large catalog that offers relatively nothing at higher than 44.1/16...

I'd at least like to hear SOMETHING of theirs in 24-bit. The LT29 mix at 24 is a disaster. I'm hoping they're paying attention to this more and more as of late.

[I know most of you could care less about this, but its something that can truly change the way you experience some artists' music... wish I could say the same for the band that I grew up on...]

drummerkrf
11-05-2014, 04:59 PM
:lol getting a shit show because if it is mastered right?? You sir, are an audiophile through and through ;)

Its a very recent side of me that I'm not always proud of... it takes 'music nerd' to the next level... :lol

Mitch
11-05-2014, 05:11 PM
Definitely a meh release. A few interesting things, of course (Recently, Rhyme, WWYS, for instance), but I wish they at least put Minarets from 8/22 on the bonus disc... or picked an entirely different show.


Ok, can we get a new DMBLive then please?

:upyours


Will they just be burning these off individually from a laptop as the 11 orders they get roll in?

:lol

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 05:22 PM
Hopefully this release winds up having an unexpectedly positive post-release reaction like the 2001 LT31 show, which everyone seemed to dislike upon announcement but then liked when it came out. But I doubt it, heh.

Jayes
11-05-2014, 05:24 PM
Will they just be burning these off individually from a laptop as the 11 orders they get roll in?

:lol nice

They managed to to dig around and release a half-decent '01 show and then picked this out of 2014 :wtf the drugs one can afford in that tax bracket must be amazing

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 05:29 PM
Hopefully this release winds up having an unexpectedly positive post-release reaction like the 2001 LT31 show, which everyone seemed to dislike upon announcement but then liked when it came out. But I doubt it, heh.

I doubt it as well, because a lot of us knew about 6.23.01 and have liked it for the past 13 years. It was surprising to people who didn't.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 05:32 PM
Will they just be burning these off individually from a laptop as the 11 orders they get roll in?

:lol

I was thinking about making a comment about how you were wrong about them not putting out a new LT to compete with the UTTAD reissue, but then I realized that they pretty much didn't.

EDIT: I see you made the same point later.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 05:34 PM
I'm telling you, that had absolutely nothing to do with this selection.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 05:34 PM
I doubt it as well, because a lot of us knew about 6.23.01 and have liked it for the past 13 years. It was surprising to people who didn't.

Yeah. I know both shows quite well now, and that 2001 show is much better overall than this Greek one. Plus, the 2001 era is now bathed in teenage/college nostalgia for everyone on this board. Even though a lot of that ED stuff was loathed back then.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 05:37 PM
I'm telling you, that had absolutely nothing to do with this selection.

I know it didn't. I was joking about how nobody's going to buy this period, not that it's appealing to a different audience like mario was kind of trying to do. There's no way they picked this for any other reason than that they shot it and didn't want to waste the footage.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 05:42 PM
Its a very recent side of me that I'm not always proud of... it takes 'music nerd' to the next level... :lol

Have you heard of the pono player? You'd love it.

Mitch
11-05-2014, 05:42 PM
Yeah. I know both shows quite well now, and that 2001 show is much better overall than this Greek one. Plus, the 2001 era is now bathed in teenage/college nostalgia for everyone on this board. Even though a lot of that ED stuff was loathed back then.

Well, I wouldn't say everyone. I was 32 when Everyday came out and kicked me in the nuts.

bsan83
11-05-2014, 05:42 PM
The way the sets went this tour when the ladies were around, there was always the solid run - Drunken Soldier, LBV, Save Me, Sledgehammer or Stay - and the brutal ladies run - Everyday, Can't Stop, You & Me or Idea of You, and Burning Down the House.

Having not listened to the west coast run, I do very much hope that the rest of this show is really solid to pick the one with the brutal run.

And yes, it's too bad that Two Step and Minarets aren't on the bonus disc, though I'm glad that Typical is.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 05:44 PM
Well, I wouldn't say everyone. I was 32 when Everyday came out and kicked me in the nuts.

:upyours Still hate it. Completely. Album and tour can go to hell.

Jayes
11-05-2014, 05:50 PM
Wasnt this the least favorite of the three nights?

drummerkrf
11-05-2014, 05:50 PM
Have you heard of the pono player? You'd love it.

You don't say...

:lol

Mersh
11-05-2014, 05:55 PM
If you want to know more, email me at ponoponopono@pono.pono.

drummerkrf
11-05-2014, 05:56 PM
I'll get right on that. :upyours

Mersh
11-05-2014, 05:57 PM
Yeah. I know both shows quite well now, and that 2001 show is much better overall than this Greek one. Plus, the 2001 era is now bathed in teenage/college nostalgia for everyone on this board. Even though a lot of that ED stuff was loathed back then.

I will say that minus the ED stuff at least LT 31 has that DMB sound.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 05:57 PM
I'll get right on that. :upyours

all in good fun, of course.

drummerkrf
11-05-2014, 05:58 PM
all in good fun, of course.

of course of course, thanks Mod

Jayes
11-05-2014, 06:00 PM
If you want to know more, email me at ponoponopono@pono.pono.

I still read "porno" every time I see it

somf4eva
11-05-2014, 06:00 PM
woof. what a pick

mario
11-05-2014, 06:19 PM
I know it didn't. I was joking about how nobody's going to buy this period, not that it's appealing to a different audience like mario was kind of trying to do. There's no way they picked this for any other reason than that they shot it and didn't want to waste the footage.
Except they didn't shoot this show any different from the others apparently.

They absolutely make simple marketing considerations like whether they are oversaturating with multiple products before they roll out new products like this. It's crazy to think otherwise.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 06:22 PM
An album I have had for 20 years with 1 studio track I haven't heard is much more appealing than this show. Sad rea;;y.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 06:23 PM
If they were gonna do a Greek release, it should've been:

8/22/14 CD/DVD:

Bartender
Old Dirt Hill (Bring That Beat Back)
Two Step
Stolen Away on 55th & 3rd
Lie in Our Graves
Snow Outside
So Damn Lucky
What Would You Say
-----------------------------------
Big Eyed Fish
Minarets
The Dreaming Tree
Seven
Belly Belly Nice
Spaceman
Seek Up
The Song That Jane Likes
Drunken Soldier
Save Me
Long Black Veil
Sledgehammer
-----------------------------------
Sister
You Might Die Trying
Kill the Preacher [partial]
Why I Am

Acoustic Bonus Disc:

1. Stay Or Leave
2. Grace is Gone
3. Loving Wings
4. Typical Situation
5. Recently
6. Rhyme & Reason
7. Snow Outside
8. Ants Marching

mario
11-05-2014, 06:24 PM
An album I have had for 20 years with 1 studio track I haven't heard is much more appealing than this show. Sad rea;;y.
And it's not even close.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 06:26 PM
Performances are pretty good on this release overall at least. Except I hope they mute the couple Boyd skrees on Ants and especially Everyday on this release.

mario
11-05-2014, 06:27 PM
If they were gonna do a Greek release, it should've been:

8/22/14 CD/DVD:

Bartender
Old Dirt Hill (Bring That Beat Back)
Two Step
Stolen Away on 55th & 3rd
Lie in Our Graves
Snow Outside
So Damn Lucky
What Would You Say
-----------------------------------
Big Eyed Fish
Minarets
The Dreaming Tree
Seven
Belly Belly Nice
Spaceman
Seek Up
The Song That Jane Likes
Drunken Soldier
Save Me
Long Black Veil
Sledgehammer
-----------------------------------
Sister
You Might Die Trying
Kill the Preacher [partial]
Why I Am

Acoustic Bonus Disc:

1. Stay Or Leave
2. Grace is Gone
3. Loving Wings
4. Typical Situation
5. Recently
6. Rhyme & Reason
7. Snow Outside
8. Ants Marching
Oh god, that setlist is even worse. ODH? Seven?? WIA??? Spaceman?!?!? The worst version of Dreaming Tree they ever performed? DO NOT WANT.


Also, you probably wouldn't want Snow Outside on a bonus disc for the a show it was played at.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 06:29 PM
Oh god, that setlist is even worse. ODH? Seven?? WIA??? Spaceman?!?!? The worst version of Dreaming Tree they ever performed? DO NOT WANT.

Well, let's be honest, there are probably less than 5 shows from the entire tour that would please you specifically. And probably many people here.

As for Greek, had they picked night 1, people would complain about the encore and the Dreaming Tree version. Had they picked night 3, people would complain about the SMLAM show closer, and the ladies on IOY. Everyone's gonna complain about something.

mjf
11-05-2014, 06:30 PM
Can't agree more with what Mario and Mersh have said.

I might be forgetting something, but off the top of my head Granny is the only thing I've been excited about since 3/3/99 came out. With the Cavallo announcment, the lunch ladies triumphant return, the 2014 tour.... Meh. The next DMBlive is just about the only thing I'm excited about at the moment :lol

mario
11-05-2014, 06:33 PM
Well, let's be honest, there are probably less than 5 shows from the entire tour that would please you specifically. And probably many people here.

As for Greek, had they picked night 1, people would complain about the encore and the Dreaming Tree version. Had they picked night 3, people would complain about the SMLAM show closer, and the ladies on IOY. Everyone's gonna complain about something.

SO DON'T PICK THE GREEK THEATER SHOWS THAT ALL HAD SOMETHING SHITTY ABOUT THEM.


There were actually 10 shows they could've chosen that I wouldn't complain about. Anything from 6/10 through 6/28, the only ten shows where the band actually seemed interested and prepared to play concerts. Everything else was sloppy/half-hearted shit.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 06:33 PM
Well, let's be honest, there are probably less than 5 shows from the entire tour that would please you specifically. And probably many people here. As for Greek, had they picked night 1, people would complain about the encore and the Dreaming Tree version. Had they picked night 3, people would complain about the SMLAM show closer, and the ladies on IOY. Everyone's gonna complain about something.

Not everyone...

Crush87
11-05-2014, 06:36 PM
An album I have had for 20 years with 1 studio track I haven't heard is much more appealing than this show. Sad rea;;y.

Nailed it.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 06:39 PM
To be fair, I'm not sure it's normal to expect a band to keep you excited about them constantly for months (and especially years) on end. I think most people go through peaks and valleys, take breaks, etc from bands they really like. I haven't listened to them much since summer ended, and haven't posted that much here since then either. Besides, every time I come here the past few months, it's just been 90% complaining and negativity, which, valid as everyone's opinions are, I don't particularly need in my life.

I agree criticism is good and needed to make discussion interesting and engaging, and you don't just want fanboys gushing endlessly, but to me, we're now at the opposite end of the spectrum here. I feel like the people who still post here are mostly negative or cynical, which doesn't make for fun conversations for more positive people enjoying the present DMB.

Listening to this show, there is a lot of great music and songs. People seem to be making the choice not to talk about the positives at all though. Just feels like everyone's focused on the Lovely Ladies, the lack of certain songs they wanted, and the fact that they didn't pick a different show.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 06:40 PM
Not everyone...

I'm not complaining because I was there and enjoyed the shows, and 2014. But I agree there were better show choices to make.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 06:49 PM
Except they didn't shoot this show any different from the others apparently.

They absolutely make simple marketing considerations like whether they are oversaturating with multiple products before they roll out new products like this. It's crazy to think otherwise.

People in the UTTAD thread were hoping for a Live Trax release this year. Not caring about over saturating. It's only over saturating because the show is bad. Is that right?

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 06:52 PM
Except they didn't shoot this show any different from the others apparently.

They absolutely make simple marketing considerations like whether they are oversaturating with multiple products before they roll out new products like this. It's crazy to think otherwise.


Ok, I guess I'm wrong about the footage thing, but I still don't think that they actually expect a LT to take away sales from the UTTAD reissue. The audiences for those two aren't that different, no matter which show they choose. If it had been a good show that people actually wanted, the subset of fans that would have chosen one over the other and not just bought both has got to be vanishingly small.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 06:53 PM
It would definitely be interesting to see a chart of the sales numbers for every single LiveTrax from the beginning, and see how every release has sold comparatively.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 06:54 PM
I would definitely be interested in seeing a chart of the sales numbers for every single LiveTrax from the beginning.


Yeah, that would be very illuminating.

Vincent
11-05-2014, 06:56 PM
Releases such as this, ease my Catholic guilt for not paying for them.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 06:58 PM
Yeah, that would be very illuminating.

I don't think it would be all that illuminating. Given when they started releasing this series I have no doubt that some of the worst in the series sold more than the real gems. Considering what you see of the dmbfamily and the like there is a large part of the fanbase that laps up shit and doesn't like the classic stuff.

Jack
11-05-2014, 06:59 PM
Blah. They picked a release that ignores the best parts of a mediocre tour. Not sure you could have picked a worse release.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 07:01 PM
I don't think it would be all that illuminating. Given when they started releasing this series I have no doubt that some of the worst in the series sold more than the real gems. Considering what you see of the dmbfamily and the like there is a large part of the fanbase that laps up shit and doesn't like the classic stuff.

The interesting thing about the whole dmbfamily thing is that I bet these fans have always been around to some degree. I think Boyd and his weird Narnia #Love stuff, combined with twitter/Facebook giving these fans a gathering place just made it more prominent. But I definitely have memories from the past 14 years of fans screaming for songs like Dreamgirl, ODH, Sister, WAYG, Crash, etc, as well as being excited for the Lovely Ladies.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 07:02 PM
Blah. They picked a release that ignores the best parts of a mediocre tour. Not sure you could have picked a worse release.

IMO, that Jacksonville webcast was the worst I've heard/seen them all year. But then again, I dunno anymore. I went to Ants to see the reaction there, and several people were complaining about Stolen Away's absence from this release. So, to each their own :lol

Mersh
11-05-2014, 07:03 PM
The interesting thing about the whole dmbfamily thing is that I bet these fans have always been around to some degree. I think Boyd and his weird Narnia #Love stuff, combined with twitter/Facebook giving these fans a gathering place just made it more prominent. But I definitely have memories from the past 14 years of fans screaming for songs like Dreamgirl, ODH, Sister, WAYG, Crash, etc, as well as being excited for the Lovely Ladies.

Sure they have, but I think they represent a larger portion of the people who buy these things than they might have back then.

mjf
11-05-2014, 07:05 PM
several people were complaining about Stolen Away's absence from this release. So, to each their own :lol

http://www.robshep.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/jesus_facepalm.jpg

Mersh
11-05-2014, 07:06 PM
People in the UTTAD thread were hoping for a Live Trax release this year. Not caring about over saturating. It's only over saturating because the show is bad. Is that right?

I know this is a thing with mario, but personally I have no problem with the level of saturation...ever, just that this pick is kind of bad.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 07:08 PM
I don't think it would be all that illuminating. Given when they started releasing this series I have no doubt that some of the worst in the series sold more than the real gems. Considering what you see of the dmbfamily and the like there is a large part of the fanbase that laps up shit and doesn't like the classic stuff.


I agree with all of that, but that would still be interesting to know.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 07:09 PM
I'll bet shit like the Vegas shows outsold shows like LT7 and it wasn't even close.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 07:10 PM
Sure they have, but I think they represent a larger portion of the people who buy these things than they might have back then.

Maybe. I think venue-based releases have probably always sold well though. And I'm guessing this was picked for that reason. Hardcore fans don't usually think they're the best of the tour, but the releases are usually fairly popular based on name recognition.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 07:11 PM
Maybe. I think venue-based releases have probably always sold well though. And I'm guessing this was picked for that reason. Hardcore fans don't usually think they're the best of the tour, but the releases are usually fairly popular based on name recognition.

Right, those people are in that group too.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 07:12 PM
I know this is a thing with mario, but personally I have no problem with the level of saturation...ever, just that this pick is kind of bad.


Yeah, that was my basic point. The people who buy the LT releases will buy them if they're good no matter what else is out there.

mjf
11-05-2014, 07:12 PM
I find it so fitting that this has a "Stefan Setlist Doodle" tshirt option :lol

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 07:12 PM
I'll bet shit like the Vegas shows outsold shows like LT7 and it wasn't even close.

Definitely a fact. During pre-orders of LT7, someone close to a member of mgmt came in this forum and asked why it wasnt selling well seeing as it picked specifically for our type of fan after backlash of Fenway.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 07:15 PM
Definitely a fact. During pre-orders of LT7, someone close to a member of mgmt came in this forum and asked why it wasnt selling well seeing as it picked specifically for our type of fan after backlash of Fenway.


I think the backlash of Fenway is probably the answer to that question.

mjf
11-05-2014, 07:15 PM
Definitely a fact. During pre-orders of LT7, someone close to a member of mgmt came in this forum and asked why it wasnt selling well seeing as it picked specifically for our type of fan after backlash of Fenway.

At least 2/19/96 initially sold out IIRC... there's some hope

Mersh
11-05-2014, 07:17 PM
.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 07:22 PM
I think the backlash of Fenway is probably the answer to that question.

So people didn't like Fenway and they chose to protest it by not buying the exact show most of us wanted at the time? Real fucking smart. That'll show them. Hope they all love LT9 and LT10 while they wonder how we're relegated to disgruntled vocal minority status.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 07:23 PM
I'm sorry that post pisses me off enough to post twice.

We make all the Cap$haw jokes in the world and don't realize that we're voting with our wallets? Absolutely asinine if true.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 07:25 PM
We make all the Cap$haw jokes in the world and don't realize that we're voting with our wallets? Absolutely asinine if true.

I think everyone gets that, including Bluewater34.

I am not shocked however that more recent shows outsold/outsell even the most classic shows given we were what, 6 years past the height of their popularity (and some would probably argue musical peak) when LT7 came out? We keep getting further away from that point too.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 07:26 PM
So he's trolling me? Or has this release caused us all to lose our minds briefly?

Mersh
11-05-2014, 07:33 PM
So he's trolling me? Or has this release caused us all to lose our minds briefly?

I don't think it is either. I don't think every post has to be taken so seriously. It was a throw away comment I think.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 07:36 PM
Dude, relax please. I have no fucking idea why LT7 sold slowly. I wasn't even around. I was speculating, because the only reason I can think of for anyone who could have been disappointed by Fenway to not immediately jump on LT7 would be that they were pissed or checked out after Fenway. But I bought it two months ago, so I'm obviously just guessing. I was more trying to start a discussion than posit a definitive answer.

Seriously man, you've got a crazy short fuze the last couple of weeks.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 07:37 PM
Ok. That's going to be a challenge for me. But I'll try.

Mersh
11-05-2014, 07:39 PM
celluloid is a good dude, but sometimes I feel like he takes LT release criticism personally.

There isn't anything else to post about, so this will be analyzed to death and, I think to the few left here, this is a disappointing release. At least for every 3 meh to crap releases we still get one solid to great one I suppose.

soright05
11-05-2014, 07:40 PM
Terrible


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Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 07:42 PM
celluloid is a good dude, but sometimes I feel like he takes LT release criticism personally.

There isn't anything else to post about, so this will be analyzed to death and, I think to the few left here, this is a disappointing release. At least for every 3 meh to crap releases we still get one solid to great one I suppose.


I've got no gripe with the guy at all. Just seems like he goes zero to attack mode in two seconds sometimes. But no hard feeling and no grudge here.

Hey, we can still hope for a good DMBLive before year's end.

celluloid hero
11-05-2014, 07:42 PM
Seriously man, you've got a crazy short fuze the last couple of weeks.

The rating thread really was tongue-in-cheek and I've made comments like that many times in the last near decade of that thread. But it also used to be on the front page 80% of the time and it was more well-known that my comments in there were lighthearted with an over serious tone, while maintaining the message.

Most of the time I skip Mario's posts since I gave up on the mods giving us back the ignore feature. I have a hard time not responding to posts that ignore a consistent 11 years of pattern.

Then this. Understood. Even though I have reasons for those above, I feel it too.

Thrawn
11-05-2014, 07:57 PM
I don't think a release of this tour could have been a worse choice, for me. Bonus disc too, woof. We'll get some cool stuff, there's always something even on the worst releases, but jeez. Two Step was too much to ask?

ggies
11-05-2014, 07:57 PM
Bluray motherfuckers, Bluray. Not only does this band suck, but its picks are just as bad. Take some fucking pride band members. Sombody call the musical director!

brian3641
11-05-2014, 07:58 PM
Sombody call the musical director!

:lol

Jack
11-05-2014, 08:11 PM
I actually may end up buying this for the dvd. I wish there was an option that removed the LL tracks, though.

brian3641
11-05-2014, 08:13 PM
I actually may end up buying this for the dvd.

Unfortunately, I'm in the same boat. For whatever reason, no matter the show, I can't pass up a dvd. I dislike this part of myself.

Jack
11-05-2014, 08:20 PM
The acoustic set was such a cool experience. I'd have a hard time passing that up.

mario
11-05-2014, 08:22 PM
I feel like the people who still post here are mostly negative or cynical, which doesn't make for fun conversations for more positive people enjoying the present DMB.

Two years ago, everyone here (except TypDouche) was gushing about AFTW, and most of us still are willing to gush about that album. Unfortunately, this band gives us ABSOLUTELY NO REASON to ever even discuss AFTW.

So who's fault is that?

mario
11-05-2014, 08:27 PM
People in the UTTAD thread were hoping for a Live Trax release this year. Not caring about over saturating. It's only over saturating because the show is bad. Is that right?

No. It would be oversaturating if the show was good. It's not oversaturating, because its appealing to a different demographic (the deaf and/or dumb).

Ok, I guess I'm wrong about the footage thing, but I still don't think that they actually expect a LT to take away sales from the UTTAD reissue. The audiences for those two aren't that different, no matter which show they choose. If it had been a good show that people actually wanted, the subset of fans that would have chosen one over the other and not just bought both has got to be vanishingly small.

You don't think there are lots of people at Christmastime who will say "I can't spend $60 on DMB albums right now. Do I want the re-release of UTTAD or Live Trax 32."

Releases such as this, ease my Catholic guilt for not paying for them.

Releases such as this, ease my Catholic guilt for not even being worth the effort to steal them.

soright05
11-05-2014, 08:37 PM
I just saw the date and didn't read anymore... Still no bluray?


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greykitkat36
11-05-2014, 08:50 PM
Lol man that main set looks terrible. They would have been better off just releasing a best acoustic set 2 disc set or at least a full show without the ladies.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 08:51 PM
You don't think there are lots of people at Christmastime who will say "I can't spend $60 on DMB albums right now. Do I want the re-release of UTTAD or Live Trax 32."


If it were a show worth having, no, I honestly don't.

Bluewater34
11-05-2014, 08:56 PM
It just occurred to me that this is the 2nd LT in a row with the Ladies. I think that makes me madder than anything.

dmb2much40
11-05-2014, 09:12 PM
I'm OK with a 2014 release for a holiday show. I wish they would have picked any show without the ladies since the last release had them. Also the bonus disc is a nice touch but I hope that doesn't limit future releases to multi night stands.

dmb2much40
11-05-2014, 09:14 PM
Bluewater beat me to it. Yes it's annoying. I also would have been ok with a 3 disc compilation of acoustic performances since they were the best part of the tour.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 09:23 PM
Not sure if this helps, but I actually think this show's setlist is average for the tour. There were worse main sets in the first couple weeks of the tour and a few in July-September. It's been mentioned before but only a couple weeks in June were consistently better. That being said, I don't think it's a bad setlist. Rhyme, Recently, #41, Warehouse, Ditch, LLD, if Only, Space, Granny and Rapunzel are all great songs to have here, IMO, plus Loving Wings, Typical, WWYS and DIDO on the bonus disc. With the acoustic versions of some stuff here I'd argue it's still a worthwhile release, even if it's not the best set from 2014. At least it's different from any prior release (which is also what made LT31 refreshing to me.)

The ending run of the main set is the big stain in the set for sure. But to me it's not much different than the second half of LT28 which had a run with Blackjack, Sister, time Bomb, Y&M and Stay in it.

JustinC
11-05-2014, 09:43 PM
http://i.imgur.com/WDm9eH8.gif

ThememanXX
11-05-2014, 09:46 PM
People in the UTTAD thread were hoping for a Live Trax release this year. Not caring about over saturating. It's only over saturating because the show is bad. Is that right?


Nope, not over saturating at all. The show is just bad.

Blah. They picked a release that ignores the best parts of a mediocre tour. Not sure you could have picked a worse release.


My exact sentiments. Fuck this release.

ThememanXX
11-05-2014, 09:48 PM
Oh, and Tomacco, your posts are great, btw. I love all the rainbows and butterflies you're finding in this steaming pile of Live Trax shit. Keep on keepin' on, man.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 09:49 PM
Oh, and Tomacco, your posts are great, btw. I love all the rainbows and butterflies you're finding in this steaming pile of Live Trax shit. Keep on keepin' on, man.

:lol:lmao

willndmb
11-05-2014, 09:52 PM
None of the shows this yr are true stand outs IMO so this,is as good as any I guess
DVD is the only cool part for me but let's get into the real world, bluray
Two step was the yrs highlight but we have that on yahoo live

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 09:55 PM
Surprised by all the Two Step talk. I didn't love it. The canned horn line ending didn't do much for me overall. But at least the song wasn't as needlessly long.

ThememanXX
11-05-2014, 09:55 PM
The Yahoo Live quality is trash compared to a proper live release. The fact they didn't include Two Step or Minarets here is laughably sad.

ThememanXX
11-05-2014, 09:55 PM
Surprised by all the Two Step talk. I didn't love it. The canned horn line ending didn't do much for me overall. But at least the song wasn't as needlessly long.


You get out of here with all your negativity! :lol

JustinC
11-05-2014, 10:07 PM
None of the shows this yr are true stand outs IMO so this,is as good as any I guess


Go look at 6/25, 6/27, 6/28, and 7/2 and get back to me.

Jack
11-05-2014, 10:08 PM
Surprised by all the Two Step talk. I didn't love it. The canned horn line ending didn't do much for me overall. But at least the song wasn't as needlessly long.

You mean the 1992 jam?

Thor2531
11-05-2014, 10:16 PM
Have you ever thought the band is purposely trying to turn us off? It's like when you treat a girl like shit so she breaks up with you. We're all Dave's washed up bitch.

roshea999
11-05-2014, 10:30 PM
No

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 10:58 PM
If they released a 2005 show, I might entertain the idea of them trying to turn off hardcores. But even that would be ridiculous. Though a 2001 followed by 2005 LT would be pretty funny.
Speaking of which, I almost can't imagine them releasing a 05 show as a LT. If they did, I feel like it would have to be Roseland, Gorge n2/n3, or a winter tour show with 4-5 SU songs. I can't imagine any other show from that year would ever sell at all.

mjf
11-05-2014, 11:05 PM
I don't understand comparing this show to how bad 2005 was, how LT28 had bad songs, how it's not the worst of the tour, etc. All that's true, but it doesn't make the show any less shitty for me personally :dunno:

BrokenThings
11-05-2014, 11:22 PM
this show looks great IMO. i am pumped for the acoustic set and bonus disc.

Tomacco
11-05-2014, 11:33 PM
Here's a cool bit of music from the show I'm looking forward to having an official release of:
JpuyWGXIook

mario
11-06-2014, 12:45 AM
Have you ever thought the band is purposely trying to turn us off? It's like when you treat a girl like shit so she breaks up with you. We're all Dave's washed up bitch.
Yes.
At one point in this thread I typed "it's like they're just trying to kill the live trax series" then deleted it because I couldn't come up with a motivation.

greykitkat36
11-06-2014, 12:46 AM
Eh, people are trying to find nice things about this release and that's fine and all, but it's just trying to sugarcoat the truth here. It's not a good release. The acoustic set is ok, (tho we already have Sweet and the acoustic version isn't much different.)

Let me explain--
#41 -- Have so many of these, no sax solo on this one im pretty sure, so it's not even close to a top tier 41.
WTWE--Need I say more?
Rooftop-- Got one on the WH disc, and I'm not that interested in another one.
Digging A Ditch-- Eh, throwaway track.
Warehouse -- I can deal with this, but once again we have so many of em.
If Only, Grey Street --Standard songs that don't change that we have many better version of.

LLD- best part about the main set.

Rest of set -- Garbage.

Encore is pretty nice, but eh.




Overall, there are no rarities, no interesting guests, no unique, stand out version of songs on this show...it's all repeated songs that we already have much better versions of. Aside from the acoustic set, there's no incentive to buy this show--its the same as almost every 3.0 show we already have. There is no replay value in this release at all.

A Best Of Acoustic Set would have been really nice. Could have had Slip Slidin Away, Typical, Rhyme, Minarets, Two Step, Beach Ball, GGT, Snow Outside, etc.

Don't sugarcoat this release. We shouldn't be happy about this. Believe me, I'm grateful that we are fans of a band that treats their fans well and appreciates them and gives them live recording releases every year, but it makes it very difficult to want to support stuff like this. It really doesn't seem like any thought goes into picking these releases. How many casual or non-fan DMB fans actually buy these anymore? I was under the impression they are for the hardcores. I guess DMBLIVE is, and its been great so far. I say stick with the DMBLIVE and ditch these Live Trax. I'm tired of subpar releases.

K270
11-06-2014, 01:35 AM
I was there and they'll have my money as soon as they fix their webpage. I sign in as a Warehouse member to order, but on the order page there's no drop down menu for State/Province. I want the 8 track bonus disc for Warehouse members, not the 5 track for public. It's cool to have a show released on DVD that I was at. They have my money for LT2 because I was there. They have my money for LT 26 for the Marysville 2003 show. Now I'll spend the money for this.

The only other gripe is, not sure how the footage will be. I was sitting on the lawn for the Saturday show and had a damn good view (was sitting front row). I didn't see any cameras on the concrete walkway in front of the lawn. I guess it is possible they had cameras next to the lights for the stage behind the seating areas. Otherwise, the only other cameras I'm guessing they had were in front of the stage and probably on stage.

Bluewater34
11-06-2014, 03:59 AM
Don't sugarcoat this release. We shouldn't be happy about this. Believe me, I'm grateful that we are fans of a band that treats their fans well and appreciates them and gives them live recording releases every year, but it makes it very difficult to want to support stuff like this. It really doesn't seem like any thought goes into picking these releases. How many casual or non-fan DMB fans actually buy these anymore? I was under the impression they are for the hardcores. I guess DMBLIVE is, and its been great so far. I say stick with the DMBLIVE and ditch these Live Trax. I'm tired of subpar releases.


Look, I'm not defending this release at all. It's a terrible pick that I'm not even going to think about ordering, but your "baby with the bath water" approach here is just plain ridiculous. The last couple of Live Trax have been disappointing, yes, but there have been some truly inspired and even surprising picks in the series. Yeah, there have been some really bad picks too, but I'd say probably close to a third of the series has been essential, and then maybe another third has had enough good stuff that it would appeal to a lot of fans, if not everyone, with the final third being trash. I mean, 1, 3, 7, 12, 23, 24 and 30 are some of the best things we have from the band, period, and 30 was just two releases ago. Yeah, DMBLive has a better batting average, but it's just plain silly to suggest completely ignoring Live Trax from here on because this one is so bad. You don't have to buy the bad ones, but to ignore the good ones because of them is stupidity.

Aparker507
11-06-2014, 07:11 AM
This dvd will be exactly like LT28

sdaltons
11-06-2014, 08:23 AM
i'm just here to say this release looks awful and i think it's going to be the first one i pass on. i have been disappointed by many other selections, but still purchased them because some part of me says if i have every release they've put out so far, i might as well buy the next one as well.

but this one just looks so bad. 2014 was a bummer of a tour and this doesn't even include the few bright spots. maybe 1 or 2 of those will pop up when we get our warehouse packages next August.

Thor2531
11-06-2014, 08:35 AM
Coran is going to freeze his head till we develop the ability to live forever. Once this is done, he will live off the revenues created from the new "DMB Deep Trax" series since he already used all the shitty shows throughout the early part of the century.

Jayes
11-06-2014, 08:37 AM
Coran is going to freeze his head till we develop the ability to live forever. Once this is done, he will live off the revenues created from the new "DMB Deep Trax" series since he already used all the shitty shows throughout the early part of the century.

I made half-joking mention of this a few weeks ago and met anticipated stiff resistance. Starting not to seem so far out :lol

celluloid hero
11-06-2014, 08:50 AM
2014 was a bummer of a tour and this doesn't even include the few bright spots. maybe 1 or 2 of those will pop up when we get our warehouse packages next August.

Minarets and Snow Outside on the last two Warehouse discs, unfortunately will eliminate those.

ThememanXX
11-06-2014, 09:08 AM
Minarets and Snow Outside on the last two Warehouse discs, unfortunately will eliminate those.

That process should be a bit different for the next WH10 or whatever....I'd suggest using a 'Best of 2014 Acoustic' for the standard disc and then a few bonus 'deep cuts' for the WH bonus songs.


Beach Ball (Dave Solo)
Grace is Gone (Carter, Dave, Tim)
Pay For What You Get (Carter, Dave, Stefan, Tim)
Snow Outside (w./ Bela Fleck)
Minarets
So Damn Lucky
Lie In Our Graves
_________________

So Much to Say > Anyone Seen the Bridge > Too Much (Fake) :segue
Ants Marching :segue
Two Step

(Entire 3-song bonus run from 9/19/00 with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones.)

celluloid hero
11-06-2014, 09:11 AM
That process should be a bit different for the next WH10 or whatever....I'd suggest using a 'Best of 2014 Acoustic' for the standard disc and then a few bonus 'deep cuts' for the WH bonus songs.


Beach Ball (Dave Solo)
Grace is Gone (Carter, Dave, Tim)
Pay For What You Get (Carter, Dave, Stefan, Tim)
Snow Outside (w./ Bela Fleck)
Minarets
So Damn Lucky
Lie In Our Graves
_________________

So Much to Say > Anyone Seen the Bridge > Too Much (Fake) :segue
Ants Marching :segue
Two Step

(Entire 3-song bonus run from 9/19/00 with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones.)

I think 15% of people would love that. I'd much prefer solid, even if a bit random, older stuff. Plus there are still some good songs that haven't hit a WH disc (The Last Stop) and the ones they repeat are usually good.

drummerkrf
11-06-2014, 09:32 AM
Go look at 6/25, 6/27, 6/28, and 7/2 and get back to me.

None of the shows this yr are true stand outs IMO so this,is as good as any I guess
DVD is the only cool part for me but let's get into the real world, bluray
Two step was the yrs highlight but we have that on yahoo live

i'm just here to say this release looks awful and i think it's going to be the first one i pass on. i have been disappointed by many other selections, but still purchased them because some part of me says if i have every release they've put out so far, i might as well buy the next one as well.

but this one just looks so bad. 2014 was a bummer of a tour and this doesn't even include the few bright spots. maybe 1 or 2 of those will pop up when we get our warehouse packages next August.


Curious. Perhaps I'm WAY off here... but I'm already looking past the release and the next few years for this band.

What if this release is an indication that they tried something that we'd never seen before (#2sets) and now that it is over they are looking back and saying... "well that was different, but not necessarily better, lets go back to the old way we did things next go 'round".

So... IF they thought this was the case, and intend on going back to full band electric sets, these acoustic performances, as bad as they no doubt were this year (when considering sets of course), will be somewhat of a 'rarity' in the future... in the sense that... in 5 years when they are still trying to make money on live releases, they go ahead and say "Ok... HERE's the best thing we could've offered from 2014 (one of those late June shows)... but we held out so that it would stand a better chance to make more money down the road (because they know most of us here will in fact still be here and entertain the thought of buying that one as well)... and at the same time knew we 'had' to release something from 2014 at the end of 2014."

This sentiment also lends credence to the idea that this was chosen based off of the venue's 'appeal'...

ThememanXX
11-06-2014, 09:40 AM
I think 15% of people would love that. I'd much prefer solid, even if a bit random, older stuff. Plus there are still some good songs that haven't hit a WH disc (The Last Stop) and the ones they repeat are usually good.

I think we're at the point in DMB's career where most don't care if they put a good song on three releases in a row, if they're solid versions.

Granny from 8/4/01 now tops my list of songs I want released.

Thrawn
11-06-2014, 09:44 AM
Honestly, good acoustic 2014 performances are pretty high on my list of stuff I'd want on the next Warehouse disc. More 00/01 Grey Streets, the first Shotgun, an early '02 Raven, and acoustic '14s. They've already released a Grey Street and a Raven, though, so those probably aren't going to happen. I'd be really happy with Thememan's list.

Tomacco
11-06-2014, 09:45 AM
Curious. Perhaps I'm WAY off here... but I'm already looking past the release and the next few years for this band.

What if this release is an indication that they tried something that we'd never seen before (#2sets) and now that it is over they are looking back and saying... "well that was different, but not necessarily better, lets go back to the old way we did things next go 'round".

So... IF they thought this was the case, and intend on going back to full band electric sets, these acoustic performances, as bad as they no doubt were this year (when considering sets of course), will be somewhat of a 'rarity' in the future... in the sense that... in 5 years when they are still trying to make money on live releases, they go ahead and say "Ok... HERE's the best thing we could've offered from 2014 (one of those late June shows)... but we held out so that it would stand a better chance to make more money down the road (because they know most of us here will in fact still be here and entertain the thought of buying that one as well)... and at the same time knew we 'had' to release something from 2014 at the end of 2014."

This sentiment also lends credence to the idea that this was chosen based off of the venue's 'appeal'...

In a way, I think this is totally accurate. Personally, I'm not expecting the 2-set thing ever again, which is why I think this release is still worth having. I think this is the "big" 2014 release for the venue cache and casual fans, and I think down the road sometime they'll release the hardcore-pick of 2014 (something from late June). Almost like how in 2008 we got big venue releases first, then got stuff like Rio and Alpine.

Thrawn
11-06-2014, 09:46 AM
Yeah; I give pretty high odds that the next Trax is a '14 show too, or if not the next one, the one after.

celluloid hero
11-06-2014, 09:50 AM
Yeah; I give pretty high odds that the next Trax is a '14 show too, or if not the next one, the one after.

I'll take those odds.

ThememanXX
11-06-2014, 10:16 AM
Yeah, back to back '14 live trax would be pretty absurd

Bluewater34
11-06-2014, 10:18 AM
So... IF they thought this was the case, and intend on going back to full band electric sets, these acoustic performances, as bad as they no doubt were this year (when considering sets of course), will be somewhat of a 'rarity' in the future... in the sense that... in 5 years when they are still trying to make money on live releases, they go ahead and say "Ok... HERE's the best thing we could've offered from 2014 (one of those late June shows)... but we held out so that it would stand a better chance to make more money down the road (because they know most of us here will in fact still be here and entertain the thought of buying that one as well)... and at the same time knew we 'had' to release something from 2014 at the end of 2014."


That's an interesting theory, and I guess it could happen, but in order for that to work your calculation is that in five years there will be some sort of nostalgia for 2014. I don't know that I'd count on that. It seems to have worked to some extent for the '01 tour and LT31, but I still maintain that that only happened because 2014 was so bad, and people are more sick of DMB 3.0 than they even realize. So if DMB is worse in five years, then I guess it's possible. I think a good test might be to see what happens if they put out an '05 show between now and the next '14 show. Right now nobody would want anything from summer '05, but if it came out and people didn't hate it then you're probably right.

Bluewater34
11-06-2014, 10:20 AM
I'll take those odds.

Me too.



Yeah, back to back '14 live trax would be pretty absurd


Seriously, I think for the next one they need to give us another neglected year, like summer '98 or '99, or '02.

drummerkrf
11-06-2014, 10:43 AM
That's an interesting theory, and I guess it could happen, but in order for that to work your calculation is that in five years there will be some sort of nostalgia for 2014. I don't know that I'd count on that.

Well... I guess I was not so much thinking about 2014 so much as I was the 'change-up' that MAY be possible (should they go back to electric sets) in live releases at that point.

The demand would be for the acoustic setup more than anything, after the dust settles and "hey, an acoustic compilation release or a good show from back in 2014 would stand to bring in more money than it would've back in 2014" starts to have some kind of traction.

The fact that the idea of the acoustic setup which, what once was that of as something that could be special, is now associated with a shitty tour, wouldn't play as much of a factor in a few years[?] :dunno

drummerkrf
11-06-2014, 10:44 AM
Only thing is... if you're buying in to my crazy theory, you're also buying into the idea that the acoustic experiment is now defunct.

Which is a different conversation altogether.

mario
11-06-2014, 10:53 AM
I think 15% of people would love that.

Who gives a fuck?

Management spends too much time wondering what the populace wants and not enough time actually trying to release good music. A free disc is the perfect opportunity to shove something actually well done done the throats of the dmbfamily

Bluewater34
11-06-2014, 10:53 AM
Well... I guess I was not so much thinking about 2014 so much as I was the 'change-up' that MAY be possible (should they go back to electric sets) in live releases at that point.



The demand would be for the acoustic setup more than anything, after the dust settles and "hey, an acoustic compilation release or a good show from back in 2014 would stand to bring in more money than it would've back in 2014" starts to have some kind of traction.


Right, I got that. I guess maybe I got a different read on people's opinions of the acoustic sets. I've been under the impression that aside from a few songs people were pretty underwhelmed with the acoustic sets in general, but I admit that that could be totally wrong. So my theory may be flawed in that way, but my current read of the mood would tell me that there wouldn't be much more than a nostalgia/curiosity attitude toward the acoustic sets.

But you're right, we're assuming that the acoustic sets are dead, and I think that's far from assured. Honestly, I think they might work better as a shorter 5-6 song set in the middle of a show.

mario
11-06-2014, 10:55 AM
The acoustic sets were awesome, the band just didn't lean heavily enough into them. Much of it was just playing the song exactly the same but with an acoustic instrument. The hope is they'll keep doing it and work out more acoustic arrangements of songs.

celluloid hero
11-06-2014, 11:13 AM
Who gives a fuck?

Management spends too much time wondering what the populace wants and not enough time actually trying to release good music. A free disc is the perfect opportunity to shove something actually well done done the throats of the dmbfamily

I'm not one of the 15%. I don't want this. The Warehouse disc is for us, not the dmbfamily and they have been discs that are good music especially the last 3 or 4 years.

What this is suggesting is a decent disc aimed at the dmbfamily. Not a great disc aimed at us that is forced down their throat.

Any of us can come with realistic discs better than an all 2014 disc with a cool extra few tracks.

mario
11-06-2014, 11:40 AM
A DMB 2014 acoustic compilation is the thing I would most want from DMB right now. More than the Richmond Symphony Orchestra shows. More than studio Granny.

I think that's the only thing most of us actually enjoyed this summer, and we don't have a copy of it yet.

Mersh
11-06-2014, 11:44 AM
Who gives a fuck? Management spends too much time wondering what the populace wants and not enough time actually trying to release good music. A free disc is the perfect opportunity to shove something actually well done done the throats of the dmbfamily

Agreed.

celluloid hero
11-06-2014, 11:46 AM
For our fanbase, you are the minority. Like 15% of the 15% mentioned above. This fucking place would riot if they put more than the standard 2 or 3 token "most recent tour" songs on the WH disc.

A disc full of older and lesser released songs and targeted versions like the past few years along with the standard 2 duds or a disc full of 2014 acoustic songs when we just got a 2014 show with 4 extra acoustic songs, the tour was not well received and we'll likely get 30 videos next year that dude will nicely put into mp3 for us.

hmmm... I don't know, that sounds like a tough choice...

Mersh
11-06-2014, 11:47 AM
And to be clear, I don't want a best of acoustic disc. I just feel like at this point in their career arc they could basically release whatever without have to hit all the key demographics...just good stuff.

mario
11-06-2014, 11:51 AM
Is 6/4 how they do the Warehouse 10 now? I forget. Re-arrange for whatever the breakdown is, but this is the most interesting thing they could put on a warehouse disc right now:


(all acoustic)
WWYS
Recently
PFWYG
Stolen Away
Snow Outside
Two Step

LIOG
GGT
IBYU
Minarets


Instead, it's more likely we'll get a shitty "All Covers! WH10". Because why turn on your classic rock radio station when you could pop in a cd to hear shittier versions of those songs?

celluloid hero
11-06-2014, 11:52 AM
Is there anywhere a version like Last Stop 12.5.98 would go except on a Warehouse disc?

Even a shot at that is more than a good enough reason to not waste a disc with a 2014 compilation, especially when history show we get 20 - 30 bonus songs from the previous tour every year.

I would not be happy. You would see me not trying to be the voice of reason for the first time.

ThememanXX
11-06-2014, 11:52 AM
Alright man, tell your contact within DMB Management that the 15 percenters want a 2014 acoustic Two Step and a 2014 electric Minarets with the scat intro on the next Warehouse disc and they can do whatever the fuck they want with the rest and we can then pretend like 2014 never happened.

mario
11-06-2014, 11:56 AM
Is there anywhere a version like Last Stop 12.5.98 would go except on a Warehouse disc?

Even a shot at that is more than a good enough reason to not waste a disc with a 2014 compilation, especially when history show we get 20 - 30 bonus songs from the previous tour every year.

I would not be happy. You would see me not trying to be the voice of reason for the first time.
I don't know what you're talking about with videos and shit 20-30 songs being released. Whatever it is, it doesn't count to anyone besides you and Gweeps.

Warehouse discs actually go into my Plex library and on my Ipod. Tour videos do not.

And I really don't care about 98/12/5 Last Stop. They've had 15 years to give it to us and have refused. I don't know why THIS YEAR is the only year we could possibly get it and you want to throw it away in favor of acoustic versions!

ThememanXX
11-06-2014, 11:57 AM
Yeah, the audio quality of the 'Summer Tour Warm Up' videos don't come close to a pro-mixed release. Unless I missed something....

celluloid hero
11-06-2014, 12:01 PM
Alright man, tell your contact within DMB Management that the 15 percenters want a 2014 acoustic Two Step and a 2014 electric Minarets with the scat intro on the next Warehouse disc and they can do whatever the fuck they want with the rest and we can then pretend like 2014 never happened.

I was told Minarets was on last year's disc and too soon to repeat.

roshea999
11-06-2014, 12:02 PM
Should have cut die trying and spaceman for two step and minarets

celluloid hero
11-06-2014, 12:03 PM
And I really don't care about 98/12/5 Last Stop. They've had 15 years to give it to us and have refused. I don't know why THIS YEAR is the only year we could possibly get it and you want to throw it away in favor of acoustic versions!

Every year that goes by, songs that haven't been on the disc are eliminated. That means every year that goes by, songs that haven't been on a Warehouse disc, like The Last Stop, have a better chance.

mario
11-06-2014, 12:06 PM
Every year that goes by, songs that haven't been on the disc are eliminated. That means every year that goes by, songs that haven't been on a Warehouse disc, like The Last Stop, have a better chance.
So put it on next year. This year, give me the one interesting thing the band has done on stage in the last 8 years.

Tomacco
11-06-2014, 12:35 PM
the one interesting thing the band has done on stage in the last 8 years.

If you really believe this, I don't know how you'll ever be pleased with any release of anything pre-2005. This is an honest question - what's kept you here and interested in this band for all this time?

mario
11-06-2014, 12:40 PM
If you really believe this, I don't know how you'll ever be pleased with any release of anything pre-2005. This is an honest question - what's kept you here and interested in this band for all this time?
AFTW. Acoustic sets.

ThememanXX
11-06-2014, 01:04 PM
I was told Minarets was on last year's disc and too soon to repeat.

I know we all assumed they tried not to repeat songs, but this is the first I'm hearing actual confirmation of it. Thanks for the info....and yeah, I guess if that's what they want to do, that's cool. Doesn't mean we can't wish for stuff!

malachite00
11-06-2014, 01:17 PM
I was really hoping they'd release a Live Trax of the Berkeley shows from 2008, specifically night 1. That was one of the best shows I've ever seen. I suppose that will never happen now. I'm surprised they chose night 2 from this year since everyone told me that was the weakest of the 3. I went to night 1, but sold my tickets for night 2.

For those that buy this and have never been to the Greek, you'll be amazed at how amazingly crisp the sound is there. It really is a great place for a show.

Steveo Style
11-06-2014, 01:20 PM
I could pull up a quality fan-taken video performance on YouTube of pretty much any song played this year, synched with a very good recording of said song, and just play it on my TV. What is a DVD getting me again?

Give me blu ray, give me behind the scenes stuff, give me good songs. Won't be buying this trash.

Josh.0
11-06-2014, 01:26 PM
It's like they really don't want to do anything to appease their fans. Recently I came to the realization that unless they miraculously get back to their jazzy roots, I really couldn't care less about ever seeing these guys live again. They were awful this year.

I think what's highlighting how bad they are is that I've been listening to LWS a whole lot lately, and it's making it glaringly obvious how far they've fallen. They aren't even half the band that they used to be. They're lazy, unimaginative, and aren't interested in challenging themselves anymore.

Sorry, it's been a while since I've dropped a good rant.

Jayes
11-06-2014, 01:27 PM
It's like they really don't want to do anything to appease their fans. Recently I came to the realization that unless they miraculously get back to their jazzy roots, I really couldn't care less about ever seeing these guys live again. They were awful this year.

Woah, josh is back

Josh.0
11-06-2014, 01:31 PM
Yeah, I survived Europe 2.0 (barely). But then I took a new job in NH and have been busy with the on boarding process there and actually settling into my new place.

I'm also getting a feel for what I can and cannot get away with when it comes to goofing off online, so for now if I post it's from my phone, which sucks.

celluloid hero
11-06-2014, 01:57 PM
It's like they really don't want to do anything to appease their fans.

Come on now. The last releases are:

8.23.14
8.16.93 - 8.18.93
6.23.01
7.28.92
6.1.13
3.3.99

Wouldn't you say that's trying to appease all of their fans? That's hitting almost every era.

I haven't listened to this show, so I can just say the setlist isn't what I want, but really don't you think the portion of your post I quote is kind of completely not true? They don't try to appease all fans with every release. That is true. But look at that release history. How is that not trying to mix it up and appease everyone?

malachite00
11-06-2014, 02:03 PM
Don't you think the acoustic sets were done just to appease the hard-core fan base? Yet then everyone bitched that they weren't playing the right acoustic songs. I think they are trying to appease their fans, but they realize some of the fans are just impossible to please.

willndmb
11-06-2014, 02:09 PM
Go look at 6/25, 6/27, 6/28, and 7/2 and get back to me.

Those are some of the better shows but that doesn't mean it's a standout where I say holy shit that show needs to be released.
No show made me say that all yr

Josh.0
11-06-2014, 02:10 PM
Don't you think the acoustic sets were done just to appease the hard-core fan base? Yet then everyone bitched that they weren't playing the right acoustic songs. I think they are trying to appease their fans, but they realize some of the fans are just impossible to please.

No, I think they did it because they were 1) bored with their own show and 2) thought it'd be a good gimmick to improve declining ticket sales.

Josh.0
11-06-2014, 02:11 PM
Come on now. The last releases are:

8.23.14
8.16.93 - 8.18.93
6.23.01
7.28.92
6.1.13
3.3.99

Wouldn't you say that's trying to appease all of their fans? That's hitting almost every era.

I haven't listened to this show, so I can just say the setlist isn't what I want, but really don't you think the portion of your post I quote is kind of completely not true? They don't try to appease all fans with every release. That is true. But look at that release history. How is that not trying to mix it up and appease everyone?

Meh fair point. Just trying to come in with some hot takes.

mario
11-06-2014, 02:38 PM
No, I think they did it because they were 1) bored with their own show and 2) thought it'd be a good gimmick to improve declining ticket sales.
And unfortunately, they didn't rehearse so it took almost a monthto get into the groove of it, then after two weeks, they were bored again.

MaLaKaS
11-06-2014, 03:19 PM
I didn't post in this thread yesterday because I wanted to take a day and think about this some more. I think we can all agree that this isn't the best 2014 show, but we also cannot deny that there are "some" great tracks on this release as well (R&R, WWYS, Loving Wings, LLD, DIDO [the intro to the song this year was awesome], Typical.

With that said, I do feel like a 2014 compilation would have been the best type of release for this year. With the amount of play that it hot this year, I am surprised that "Stolen Away" wasn't chosen. This was clearly chosen because of the venue name, which I am not stating whether it's a good or bad reason.

I know that I have been really negative about the band lately on here, but I'll still give this show a chance, before judging it. With that said, I think that we will get some pretty cool releases coming up.

Mitch
11-06-2014, 03:30 PM
It's an uninspired choice of a release from an uninspired tour. Yeah, there will be a few good tracks on it, but I'm already loking forward to what LT33 may be.

ThememanXX
11-06-2014, 03:36 PM
I'm more burned out on my DMB fandom than I've ever been. I need either:

a.) good new music
or
b.) a jaw-droppingly solid 2015 tour (rarities, new arrangements)
or
c.) both

Live releases from the past aren't doing it.....and haven't for a few years, actually. I think the last live release I was legit excited to hear was Live in AC; and before that, it was LT13 (St. Louis.) I'll be honest, I haven't listened to a full live trax start to finish since 22 (Scranton.)

:lonely

Mitch
11-06-2014, 03:43 PM
I'm more burned out on my DMB fandom than I've ever been. I need either:

a.) good new music
or
b.) a jaw-droppingly solid 2015 tour (rarities, new arrangements)
or
c.) both


Or
d.) Stop listening to every fucking show


Live releases from the past aren't doing it.....and haven't for a few years, actually. I think the last live release I was legit excited to hear was Live in AC; and before that, it was LT13 (St. Louis.) I'll be honest, I haven't listened to a full live trax start to finish since 22 (Scranton.)

:lonely

LT30 (8/93) didn't do it for you??

Bluewater34
11-06-2014, 03:44 PM
I honestly have no idea what I want from the band right now. I just know that I don't want them to sound like they do right now. DMB 3.0 just doesn't work for me, and I think the band is stagnating with this line-up/direction. I know they're not going to go backward to the DMB sound that I loved, but there has to be somewhere they can go that will get them out of this musical cul-de-sac and put some life back in them. I just have no idea what that would be anymore.

Mersh
11-06-2014, 03:53 PM
I'm more burned out on my DMB fandom than I've ever been. I need either:

a.) good new music
or
b.) a jaw-droppingly solid 2015 tour (rarities, new arrangements)
or
c.) both

Live releases from the past aren't doing it.....and haven't for a few years, actually. I think the last live release I was legit excited to hear was Live in AC; and before that, it was LT13 (St. Louis.) I'll be honest, I haven't listened to a full live trax start to finish since 22 (Scranton.)

:lonely

Could listening to every show, ever for a few years have been a bad choice?

and if you haven't listened to 30, that is a shame.

Bluewater34
11-06-2014, 03:55 PM
and if you haven't listened to 30, that is a shame.

:upyours And even if you're not a D&T guy (which he's not, if I remember correctly), you should really hear LT23. That show is amazing.

MaLaKaS
11-06-2014, 03:56 PM
I'm more burned out on my DMB fandom than I've ever been. I need either:



a.) good new music

or

b.) a jaw-droppingly solid 2015 tour (rarities, new arrangements)

or

c.) both



Live releases from the past aren't doing it.....and haven't for a few years, actually. I think the last live release I was legit excited to hear was Live in AC; and before that, it was LT13 (St. Louis.) I'll be honest, I haven't listened to a full live trax start to finish since 22 (Scranton.)



:lonely


Could have listening to every show in order played a role in this?

LT30 (8/93) didn't do it for you??


:upyours this was one of the best releases of the last few years.

I honestly have no idea what I want from the band right now. I just know that I don't want them to sound like they do right now. DMB 3.0 just doesn't work for me, and I think the band is stagnating with this line-up/direction. I know they're not going to go backward to the DMB sound that I loved, but there has to be somewhere they can go that will get them out of this musical cul-de-sac and put some life back in them. I just have no idea what that would be anymore.


:upyours I think several of us are at this point right now.

ThememanXX
11-06-2014, 04:07 PM
Stop listening to every fucking show

Could listening to every show, ever for a few years have been a bad choice?

Could have listening to every show in order played a role in this?

Yeah, probably.

Mersh
11-06-2014, 04:10 PM
I mean, I am not into their current sound, but I still enjoy the older shows we get. If I wasn't into either the current DMB or the older DMB then I don't know what I'd be here for.

Josh.0
11-06-2014, 04:11 PM
And unfortunately, they didn't rehearse so it took almost a monthto get into the groove of it, then after two weeks, they were bored again.

This.

Bluewater34
11-06-2014, 04:14 PM
I mean, I am not into their current sound, but I still enjoy the older shows we get. If I wasn't into either the current DMB or the older DMB then I don't know what I'd be here for.

Hell yeah, a lot of that stuff has been gold.

sdaltons
11-06-2014, 04:39 PM
I think I'm with Josh (for once!!) on this one. The band just doesn't excite me that much anymore. Some of you might recall a few rants from me after shows the last few years, so I guess I've been headed this direction for awhile.

I did not like the 2014 tour at all. Two major things were missing that play a key role for me (seriously this may sound stupid and whoever can disagree, that's fine, just an opinion). One was that I kind of like seeing a cool opening band and having the anticipation of DMB build until 8:15 or whatever rather than them just coming out at 7 and starting.

And the other is Alpine is basically the only place I like to travel to see them, so if they are done playing there, which it appears that they are, then I'll only be seeing them in St. Louis - but they skipped St. Louis as well this year. I went to the Deer Creek shows and I wasn't impressed with the venue or the shows themselves, which is also a concern considering they fell within the 2 weeks when you guys are saying the band was actually trying.

Bluewater34
11-06-2014, 04:42 PM
Deer Creek probably only has a couple of years left in it anyway.

DMBCLSTJ
11-06-2014, 04:52 PM
I think I'm with Josh (for once!!) on this one. The band just doesn't excite me that much anymore. Some of you might recall a few rants from me after shows the last few years, so I guess I've been headed this direction for awhile.

I did not like the 2014 tour at all. Two major things were missing that play a key role for me (seriously this may sound stupid and whoever can disagree, that's fine, just an opinion). One was that I kind of like seeing a cool opening band and having the anticipation of DMB build until 8:15 or whatever rather than them just coming out at 7 and starting.

And the other is Alpine is basically the only place I like to travel to see them, so if they are done playing there, which it appears that they are, then I'll only be seeing them in St. Louis - but they skipped St. Louis as well this year. I went to the Deer Creek shows and I wasn't impressed with the venue or the shows themselves, which is also a concern considering they fell within the 2 weeks when you guys are saying the band was actually trying.

See a show at Red Rocks and that will change your opinion. Alpine, Red Rocks and the Gorge are all travel worthy regardless of setlist.

sdaltons
11-06-2014, 04:56 PM
See a show at Red Rocks and that will change your opinion. Alpine, Red Rocks and the Gorge are all travel worthy regardless of setlist.
That hasn't been super realistic in the past because I would have had to fly there and get a hotel, but a good friend of ours just moved out there so now maybe I could do it cheaper. So I will consider it.

mjf
11-06-2014, 05:39 PM
I can relate to a lot of what has been said for sure

I started only going to 1-2 shows a year (from about 10) starting in 2010 because I was burntout. AFTW changed that, I decided I was going to go to a whole shitload of shows in 2013. Once it clearly had disappeared, I only went to a single show that year and only because I was given a free ticket

This year? I didn't go to a single show. Thememan's list is so spot on for me. Either they need to put out great new music (and actually fucking play it), or play an extremely good tour next year... or I just will have zero interest in going yet another year

I completely agree with Celluloid's earlier post however about the show releases. While this release and the 2001 show with the lunchettes are completely bottom of the barrel for me, that doesn't change the fact they have been doing a great job of releasing shows. Am I the only one who still goes "holy fuck, I'm listening to 2/19/96"? Same thing with the Muse show, etc etc etc

I always said that I was gonna take a break from the band blah blah blah, but this is actually the first time I legitimately have done it. I love talking about music with you guys greatly, so I'll probably always hang around on here, but I have no desire to see the band unless something from Thememan's list happens. As of right now, I'm just looking forward to 33 and a new DMBLive, and hopefully a winter D&T release like we've been getting

Mitch
11-06-2014, 06:02 PM
Yup, like I've said before recently, getting good archival releases is the main thing that interests me about DMB at this point.

Hanging on the boards and shooting the shit, about various topics, is always good regardless, though.

Bluewater34
11-06-2014, 06:05 PM
Yup, like I've said before recently, getting good archival releases is the main thing that interests me about DMB at this point.



Hanging on the boards and shooting the shit, about various topics, is always good regardless, though.


Agreed across the board.

Jack
11-06-2014, 07:21 PM
Those are some of the better shows but that doesn't mean it's a standout where I say holy shit that show needs to be released.
No show made me say that all yr

I really agree with this. I think it points to what an odd tour it was.

Oddly, I saw statistically the least rare show of the tour (Bangor) & I was pumped to get it. Thw accoustic set hit all the classics, the main set, while standard, was fantastic. The only songs outside of that show I 'needed' were minarets, snow outside & beachball.

roshea999
11-06-2014, 07:46 PM
My main complaint about the acoustic set was of the three venues I attended this year, the only place that lended itself to it was the Greek in Berkeley. Milwaukee was awful + the pit in Chicago was a zoo. Sitting on the stone steps of the Greek was perfect for the acoustic set.

And I'll hold out hope for a return to Alpine next summer although I know damned well it'll be Chicago again. If so, I'll skip Chicago and try to find a destination venue (Spac, Gorge?,)

dmb1981
11-06-2014, 07:50 PM
I honestly have no idea what I want from the band right now. I just know that I don't want them to sound like they do right now. DMB 3.0 just doesn't work for me, and I think the band is stagnating with this line-up/direction. I know they're not going to go backward to the DMB sound that I loved, but there has to be somewhere they can go that will get them out of this musical cul-de-sac and put some life back in them. I just have no idea what that would be anymore.

I completely agree with this. 3.0 is not working and I don't see it changing.

mjf
11-06-2014, 07:53 PM
Those are some of the better shows but that doesn't mean it's a standout where I say holy shit that show needs to be released.
No show made me say that all yr

I definitely agree with this. For me, a good indicator that a tour was lame is if I'd only be happy with a release if it was a compilation of the very best stuff from the tour since there's really not many shows that completely fit the bill

sean52692
11-06-2014, 08:25 PM
They botched this pick. Damn. They managed to pick a show from the worst part of one of their worst tours without a Two Step or Minarets. You'd probably be hard pressed to pick a worse show, although there's some good stuff in the acoustic set that I'll enjoy - Satellite (w/ the off key intro), R&R, One Sweet World, & Recently.

I think I remember this LLD being pretty below average (or maybe that was Hartford?), so really nothing good to say about the acoustic set.

Mitch
11-06-2014, 08:33 PM
Oddly, I saw statistically the least rare show of the tour (Bangor) & I was pumped to get it. Thw accoustic set hit all the classics, the main set, while standard, was fantastic. The only songs outside of that show I 'needed' were minarets, snow outside & beachball.

well, c'mon bro, you knew that wasn't happening for you

Jack
11-06-2014, 09:00 PM
well, c'mon bro, you knew that wasn't happening for you

Dave be trollin', always be trollin'.

MaLaKaS
11-06-2014, 11:58 PM
Jack, you have to hear Minarets one day before it's over. It just isn't right that you haven't gotten it yet.

ethaxton
11-07-2014, 05:59 AM
Haven't been around in a while. Heard about Greek release/dvd...come back to see this. Can't believe they decided on this night. Actually, I can. This is kind of a fitting release for what was, to me, a pretty dreadful tour. There were some highlights...this certainly wasn't one. Hopefully I can find the Warehouse disc somewhere to download.

trippinbillyrmc
11-07-2014, 08:30 AM
im glad this didnt become the first DMB bluray...

ThememanXX
11-07-2014, 08:36 AM
I'd say they should play a one-off arena show like Listener Supported and let WH members vote for the setlist, but we saw how that worked for WH5 v2.

batleon
11-07-2014, 08:42 AM
Agreed, I am not at all excited about this band right now. Total burnout has set in. This release (and the last one) don't help much.

Jayes
11-07-2014, 08:42 AM
I'd say they should play a one-off arena show like Listener Supported and let WH members vote for the setlist, but we saw how that worked for WH5 v2.

We did?

batleon
11-07-2014, 08:45 AM
I was told Minarets was on last year's disc and too soon to repeat.

That doesn't hold up. DIDO was on last year's disc too and yet here it is again on this bonus disc (unless you're referring to the next WH10 and not this bonus disc)

Leaving Minarets off was a shame, one of the few good things from this year.

ThememanXX
11-07-2014, 09:05 AM
We did?

Was that the one they took votes on? When the World Ends? Fans voted for that?

celluloid hero
11-07-2014, 09:07 AM
That doesn't hold up. DIDO was on last year's disc too and yet here it is again on this bonus disc (unless you're referring to the next WH10 and not this bonus disc)

Leaving Minarets off was a shame, one of the few good things from this year.

Yeah, it's Warehouse discs only.

celluloid hero
11-07-2014, 09:10 AM
Was that the one they took votes on? When the World Ends? Fans voted for that?

Well, to be clear, they never said "The top 5 songs make it on the disc." In 2001, eliminating Two Step, #41, Say Goodbye, Warehouse & Crush, is it so hard to believe the next 5 might have included Grey Street, Seek Up, The Stone & Grace Is Gone, then they threw a quick new song? Having WTWE doesn't undercut the fact that we voted for a disc and got those 4 as 4 of the 5.

ThememanXX
11-07-2014, 09:12 AM
Also valid. What else did we get to 'vote' for? Was it the Best of What's Around disc?

Jayes
11-07-2014, 09:13 AM
Didnt even know that was a thing

Bluewater34
11-07-2014, 09:15 AM
Also valid. What else did we get to 'vote' for? Was it the Best of What's Around disc?

Yeah, the live disc was determined by fan votes. That's why that Two Step is on there.

ThememanXX
11-07-2014, 09:33 AM
Then I stand corrected, let the fan voting commence!

First question: "Are you a member of #DMBFamily?"
Upon a 'Yes' selection: "Thank You For Your Time."

Bluewater34
11-07-2014, 09:39 AM
Then I stand corrected, let the fan voting commence!

First question: "Are you a member of #DMBFamily?"
Upon a 'Yes' selection: "Thank You For Your Time."

:lol:upyours

Unfortunately, I'm sure that they'd have a lot more power than we would at this point. And Dave/the band would be happier to hear from them than us.

roshea999
11-07-2014, 10:01 AM
They certainly spend more money on the band than we do

Bluewater34
11-07-2014, 10:10 AM
They certainly spend more money on the band than we do

Indeed, and they're completely uncritical about what they hear.

Good god, fuck those people.

drummerkrf
11-07-2014, 10:15 AM
Unfortunately, I'm sure that they'd have a lot more power than we would at this point. And Dave/the band would be happier to hear from them than us.

This.

I mean... look at the LT32 packaging options...

edit: I can't wait to wear Stefan's instagram feed all over town

sean52692
11-07-2014, 10:25 AM
Wait, is a Stefan doodle setlist an actual design on a t-shirt? When that came up earlier, I thought it was a joke.

Edit: Yup, it is. We're all screwed.

ThememanXX
11-07-2014, 10:39 AM
This band, I just....I can't.

I'm going to listen to Taylor Swift and find my smile. Later, guys.

https://img.youtube.com/vi/K9AzgP9wabg/0.jpg

drummerkrf
11-07-2014, 11:04 AM
Wait, is a Stefan doodle setlist an actual design on a t-shirt? When that came up earlier, I thought it was a joke.

Edit: Yup, it is. We're all screwed.


:lol Right?

drummerkrf
11-07-2014, 11:11 AM
:orly

http://static.musictoday.com/store/bands/1/product_large//SETLISTTEE-01.JPG


:lol complete with tape in the corners... as if someone REALLY taped that shit to a t-shirt and started walking around thinking "Chillax brah... I'm part of #DMBFamily"

celluloid hero
11-07-2014, 11:45 AM
And Dave/the band would be happier to hear from them than us.

We still have people complaining 13 years later about one song being added to a fan club disc, when it's reasonably assumed that the other 4 came from a fan vote.

We just topped a thread from 2007 to comment on how the sound check is longer than what we're guessing would happen today, even though we have no idea.

We make posts about looking forward to them breaking up.

Do you blame him?

ThememanXX
11-07-2014, 11:53 AM
For the record, you're a DMBc buzzkill. I'll be back when something worthwhile is announced since critical discussion is now frowned upon.

Mitch
11-07-2014, 11:57 AM
For the record, you're a DMBc buzzkill.

:lol