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Jack
03-25-2015, 03:03 PM
http://davematthewsband.shop.musictoday.com/Product.aspx?cp=1_69825&pc=DMDD128

LIVE TRAX 33: 1.31.1995 LUPO'S HEARTBREAK HOTEL, PROVIDENCE, RI

This show, which recently celebrated its 20th anniversary, marks the beginning of DMB’s powerful onstage presence with noticeable refinement and serious drive. A classic setlist, the 2nd night of this two night stand at Lupo’s opens with the quiet intensity of Seek Up and builds throughout the set as the band moves onto Minarets, Dancing Nancies and Warehouse. To round out this release we’ve added a selection of standouts from the first night of the run including an unreleased gem from the band’s venue soundcheck.

Please note - this album is available for pre-order and will be released on May 5. CDs will ship on or around May 1. Downloads will be available on May 5. Item #: DMDD128

Track Listing

DISC 1
Seek Up
Minarets
Dancing Nancies
Warehouse
Lover Lay Down
One Sweet World
The Song That Jane Likes
What Would You Say
Jimi Thing

DISC 2
Rhyme & Reason
#36
Ants Marching
Tripping Billies (1.30.95)
Granny (1.30.95)
Recently (1.30.95)
Say Goodbye (1.30.95)
Two Step (1.30.95)
Best of What's Around (1.30.95)
Soundcheck Jam (1.30.1995)

ThememanXX
03-25-2015, 03:04 PM
Solid. Wish the combo of the latest DMBLive and now the latest LiveTrax would bring about a good sound to expect out of 2015 DMB, but nostalgia is fine for now. :)

Jack
03-25-2015, 03:05 PM
Pretty hot pajama pants bundles :lol

Very interesting filler with the soundcheck jam. Lyrics?

Jack
03-25-2015, 03:06 PM
This is how I've always said they should do it. Release a pre-order with an immediate dmblive. Though I think they should give you like a 10% discount if you order both.

mjf
03-25-2015, 03:06 PM
Holy shit, this has a soundcheck. That gives me hope they may have recorded them consistently... I sure hope so man. We might be able to hear embryonic forms of some old tunes someday on a boxset or something

Jayes
03-25-2015, 03:06 PM
Anybody heard the show before?

mjf
03-25-2015, 03:07 PM
This is how I've always said they should do it. Release a pre-order with an immediate dmblive. Though I think they should give you like a 10% discount if you order both.

Those bastards gave us 15% instead!

DMB Live Trax Vol. 33: Lupo's Heartbreak Hotel is available for pre-order and will be released on May 5, 2015. CD pre-orders will ship on or around May 1. Digital pre-orders will be available to download on May 5.

Save 15% off DMBLive The Academy, New York, NY 4/5/1995 when you add it to your Live Trax Vol. 33 Pre-Order!

DMBCLSTJ
03-25-2015, 03:07 PM
Wow, very impressed with the DMB camp recently!

ThememanXX
03-25-2015, 03:07 PM
Love that they've got LeRoi front and center on the album art, too. :upyours

Crush87
03-25-2015, 03:07 PM
Maybe my all-time favorite Ants Marching

ThememanXX
03-25-2015, 03:08 PM
Bold statement....gonna have to listen to this AUD tonight.

Jack
03-25-2015, 03:08 PM
Maybe my all-time favorite Ants Marching

Hopefully this sounds as good as that track.

Jack
03-25-2015, 03:08 PM
Bold statement....gonna have to listen to this AUD tonight.

There is a sbd of that track...

ThememanXX
03-25-2015, 03:09 PM
Here's a question, is there no recording of N1's Typical Situation in existence? That would've been awesome to have, especially as an opener.

Jack
03-25-2015, 03:09 PM
Those bastards gave us 15% instead!

DMB Live Trax Vol. 33: Lupo's Heartbreak Hotel is available for pre-order and will be released on May 5, 2015. CD pre-orders will ship on or around May 1. Digital pre-orders will be available to download on May 5.

Save 15% off DMBLive The Academy, New York, NY 4/5/1995 when you add it to your Live Trax Vol. 33 Pre-Order!

Oh sick. Totally calling that as my idea :lol

In for both!

Bluewater34
03-25-2015, 03:10 PM
Anybody heard the show before?


I can't remember for sure, but I remember hearing a show from Lupo's at some point I the past. I remember it being very good, but I can't swear it was this one. Of course it's early '95, so we know it's good.

DMBCLSTJ
03-25-2015, 03:11 PM
.

celluloid hero
03-25-2015, 03:13 PM
I listened to this recently, the Seek Up is straight up filthy. Dave is on fire at the end.

Mersh
03-25-2015, 03:15 PM
won't let me add Academy show to cart.

edit:nevermind, just says it won't add and adds it anyway.

edit 2: see the DMBLive downloads still don't work.

sean52692
03-25-2015, 03:16 PM
I've listened to both nights of this stand (don't we have this Ants released as a promo or something? Something is ringing a bell here). I remember the aud being pretty pedestrian. Also from N1 I think the recording is missing Typical or Billies, whichever one opened.

edit: Yeah, looks like y'all covered this while I was typing.

ggies
03-25-2015, 03:17 PM
so if you had to choose between this or the new DMBlive, which one would you get? Not sure I want to spend the money on both....don't have the time to listen to music like I once did.

Hopper
03-25-2015, 03:18 PM
Eh. Wish we got something post-'98.

Jack
03-25-2015, 03:19 PM
Hmm, FLAC24 option on LT33. Do we think this was really recorded in 24bit?

Jack
03-25-2015, 03:21 PM
so if you had to choose between this or the new DMBlive, which one would you get? Not sure I want to spend the money on both....don't have the time to listen to music like I once did.

I would take 4/5/95. However, both of these for under $35 shipped is pretty solid. And that is if you get the FLACs of 4/5/95.

mja271
03-25-2015, 03:22 PM
Pretty cool, and I'm sure it's a killer show. Just seems like there's been a ton of '95 releases. Could pick a much worse year to give a lot from though :lol

sean52692
03-25-2015, 03:25 PM
so if you had to choose between this or the new DMBlive, which one would you get? Not sure I want to spend the money on both....don't have the time to listen to music like I once did.

Definitely 04/05 because it's an acoustic one with a lacking aud. There are good enough recordings of the shows at Lupo's.

I nabbed both, the flacs for the DMBLive and 24 bit for LT33. Not a bad deal, honestly. I'll gladly fork over the cash for '95 shows.

The Godfather
03-25-2015, 03:25 PM
Great call for a release. Me gustan.

sean52692
03-25-2015, 03:25 PM
Just seems like there's been a ton of '95 releases.

It seems that way because there's over 10 shows from '95 released. :)

JimBeam41
03-25-2015, 03:27 PM
It seems that way because there's over 10 shows from '95 released. :)

i count 12

Mersh
03-25-2015, 03:29 PM
I count I don't give a fuck...keep 'em coming.

Jack
03-25-2015, 03:29 PM
Bought the discs and 4/5. I'll wait on the 24bit until we know how it was actually recorded.

BUUUUUUT, I've given you your money please just let me d/l this. Same crap as always. Want to listen to this soooooo bad.

DMBCLSTJ
03-25-2015, 03:30 PM
I count I don't give a fuck...keep 'em coming.

Can't get the download to work either.

Mersh
03-25-2015, 03:31 PM
Bought the discs and 4/5. I'll wait on the 24bit until we know how it was actually recorded.

BUUUUUUT, I've given you your money please just let me d/l this. Same crap as always. Want to listen to this soooooo bad.

finally got it to work here.

sean52692
03-25-2015, 03:33 PM
I count I don't give a fuck...keep 'em coming.

:rawk

My DL worked fine. I'm using a PC.

Bluewater34
03-25-2015, 03:34 PM
I count I don't give a fuck...keep 'em coming.


Amen. At this point there are years I want more, but I'll never be disappointed to see a '95 show pop up instead.

Mersh
03-25-2015, 03:48 PM
order this LT, cheap bastards.

mjf
03-25-2015, 03:49 PM
There's no 95 show I won't buy

With that said, I pay for the shows I want to encourage them to keep releasing... And then I download them illegally so I don't have to fuck with that piece of dogshit downloader they use :lol

Jack
03-25-2015, 03:52 PM
:rawk

My DL worked fine. I'm using a PC.

Switched to my pc, had to fool with some java crap but it is going now :rawk

KerwinMcgee
03-25-2015, 03:53 PM
We need another winter 98 show

Mersh
03-25-2015, 03:54 PM
Switched to my pc, had to fool with some java crap but it is going now :rawk

Yeah, that is what I had to do.

Crush87
03-25-2015, 03:58 PM
There will never be too many '95 shows released.

Jack
03-25-2015, 04:02 PM
order this LT, cheap bastards.

.

Everyone needs to buy both of these shows. Don't steal this. They need to see this is the stuff they should be releasing. If these sell well we'll see more along the lines of older d&t and things like Winter 98. If not, more crap like Berkeley and '05 > present. They'll release whatever sells.

mikelhu
03-25-2015, 04:02 PM
i realize this will come off as technologically inept but if I download the 4/5 show Flacs and I wanted to burn to cd would I follow the same steps as when I download a show from dreaming tree.org and convert the files? Thanks

Jack
03-25-2015, 04:05 PM
i realize this will come off as technologically inept but if I download the 4/5 show Flacs and I wanted to burn to cd would I follow the same steps as when I download a show from dreaming tree.org and convert the files? Thanks

Correct. Convert FLAC > WAV > CD will give you a lossless cd just the same as what you would buy. Just make sure you don't convert to lossy and then burn that.

bigtrain21
03-25-2015, 04:06 PM
i realize this will come off as technologically inept but if I download the 4/5 show Flacs and I wanted to burn to cd would I follow the same steps as when I download a show from dreaming tree.org and convert the files? Thanks

Yes. Convert them to wavs though so they remain lossless when you burn them to the CD.

mikelhu
03-25-2015, 04:06 PM
Correct. Convert FLAC > WAV > CD will give you a lossless cd just the same as what you would buy. Just make sure you don't convert to lossy and then burn that.

Thanks! Much appreciated!

celluloid hero
03-25-2015, 04:08 PM
use Trader's Little Helper.

bdh4136
03-25-2015, 04:15 PM
You'd think I'd have bookmarked it by now but can somebody find the fix for downloading on a mac? will posts it every time.

andydmb77
03-25-2015, 04:22 PM
Reminder for anyone with Safari:

1. Go to preferences
2. Go to security
3. Click on "Website Settings" next to internet plugins
4. Where it says davematthewsband.musictoday.com, change "allow" to "run in unsafe mode".

The downloads should work after that.

Tomacco
03-25-2015, 04:23 PM
Curious to hear the souncheck jam. Anything else essential or noteworthy about this release?

blumathu
03-25-2015, 04:27 PM
This is just fantastic. I wonder how long the soundcheck is. I will be taking advantage of that 15% discount for the DMBLive!

Thrawn
03-25-2015, 04:42 PM
I know y'all love '95 and all, but I would much rather have the second '97 show or the second '99 show or third '98 show or fourth '00 show released than the 12th '95 show released. This is a bummer for me.

I'll still buy it, I think, but my only serious Live Trax desire at this point is '97-'04.

Aparker507
03-25-2015, 04:44 PM
Is this the show that has that one version of Ants from a promo cd? If so, mix like that please.

Poth Ead
03-25-2015, 04:47 PM
Well, okay. My hope was for something '97 - '02. I won't be purchasing this Live Trax as I have plenty of '95 already and all '95 shows are tasty and not THAT much different from one another performance wise...

I guess we'll be waiting till late Summer/early Fall for the next LT announcement

fortyone
03-25-2015, 04:48 PM
Love the t-shirt too. Really great announcement for both releases.

Mersh
03-25-2015, 04:49 PM
I won't be purchasing this Live Trax as I have plenty of '95 already and all '95 shows are tasty.


Boo...banned.

mjf
03-25-2015, 04:50 PM
I know y'all love '95 and all, but I would much rather have the second '97 show or the second '99 show or third '98 show or fourth '00 show released than the 12th '95 show released. This is a bummer for me.

I'll still buy it, I think, but my only serious Live Trax desire at this point is '97-'04.

I'm just happy they are really trying to give releases to all of us. 2001 for guys like you, 2014 for guys like Tomacco, and more 1995 for the rest of us. Now they just need to throw us another D&T bone

Two awesome fuckin releases. It has been a long wait it felt like, but this turned out fantastic. The past two releases did absolutely nothing for me, but I'm totally fine with that so long as they keep throwing us stuff like this as well.

May sound stupid, but I'm beyond pumped to see a soundcheck get released. I really hope they taped most of em. I mean just think of some of the stuff we know they did during soundchecks-

-The only D&T #34
-DOOF
-Wasn't Lillywhite quoted as saying he showed the band some soundchecks/jams/etc for BTCS? At the very least, we can expect to hear embryonic versions of some of the songs if they taped alot of em
-Maybe some of the LWS songs that weren't played on the 2000 tour were soundchecked? That would be amazing

Poth Ead
03-25-2015, 04:50 PM
Boo...banned.

:lol I love the SOMA release but with so many tours unaccounted for in the LT series, I was hoping for something else. Still love '95 :smoke

bigtrain21
03-25-2015, 04:51 PM
Is this the show that has that one version of Ants from a promo cd? If so, mix like that please.

That's actually 1.30.95. This release is from 1.31.95, although it does have some bonus material from 1.30.95.

Mersh
03-25-2015, 04:51 PM
I am surprised the pajama pants aren't being sold as 1995 Dave Pajama Pant Replicas.

Jack
03-25-2015, 05:00 PM
Well, okay. My hope was for something '97 - '02. I won't be purchasing this Live Trax as I have plenty of '95 already and all '95 shows are tasty and not THAT much different from one another performance wise...

I guess we'll be waiting till late Summer/early Fall for the next LT announcement

Seriously? Boooooooooooo urns. Booooooooooo urns.

bsan83
03-25-2015, 05:02 PM
Well well well... this is quite lovely. The promo version of Ants from 1.30 is fantastic.

Buy this one, kids.

Poth Ead
03-25-2015, 05:03 PM
Seriously? Boooooooooooo urns. Booooooooooo urns.

I hate to say anything remotely anti-'95 with you and Mersh around :lol

MaLaKaS
03-25-2015, 05:05 PM
Excellent release! I will be purchasing both this and 5.5.95 DMBLive. The pajama pants look pretty nice too.

Jack
03-25-2015, 05:09 PM
Excellent release! I will be purchasing both this and 5.5.95 DMBLive. The pajama pants look pretty nice too.

4.5? Or are you going back for 5.5?

soright05
03-25-2015, 05:10 PM
Just purchased both.
Cant wait to listen


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

MaLaKaS
03-25-2015, 05:11 PM
4.5? Or are you going back for 5.5?

My apologies. I meant 4.5.95 :)

Bluewater34
03-25-2015, 05:22 PM
I know y'all love '95 and all, but I would much rather have the second '97 show or the second '99 show or third '98 show or fourth '00 show released than the 12th '95 show released. This is a bummer for me.

I'll still buy it, I think, but my only serious Live Trax desire at this point is '97-'04.


If I could have chosen, I would have gone with a late '90s show too, but come on, this is a great release either way. These early '95 shows are definitely well-represented, but they're also some of the best shows the band ever played.

JWood
03-25-2015, 05:24 PM
:rawk I like this release, + the filler, + the sound check jam. Well done, Warehouse crew.

Mitch
03-25-2015, 05:27 PM
Nice! I always welcome more '95 :rawk

Mitch
03-25-2015, 05:28 PM
Everyone needs to buy both of these shows. Don't steal this. They need to see this is the stuff they should be releasing. If these sell well we'll see more along the lines of older d&t and things like Winter 98. If not, more crap like Berkeley and '05 > present. They'll release whatever sells.

:upyours x 1,000

MaLaKaS
03-25-2015, 05:33 PM
Correct. Convert FLAC > WAV > CD will give you a lossless cd just the same as what you would buy. Just make sure you don't convert to lossy and then burn that.

What about FLAC24 files? Is there a different process?

mjf
03-25-2015, 05:47 PM
What about FLAC24 files? Is there a different process?

Pretty sure those don't work, gotta be 16-bit to be able to burn it. I'm sure there's a way to convert em though to 16 bit first

drummerkrf
03-25-2015, 05:47 PM
:upyours

Late to the party, psyched for this.

drummerkrf
03-25-2015, 05:48 PM
SACD?

SeekUpAB
03-25-2015, 05:57 PM
Damn, I have to wait til May? I'll never argue with a 1995, looks great. Really cool they threw a soundcheck tune on there. Could be nothing but still a good idea.

mjf
03-25-2015, 06:01 PM
I'm real glad to see this being offered in 24-bit, but I'm tired of having to pay extra for the music to be lossless. It's worth it though which I guess is all that matters

drummerkrf
03-25-2015, 06:07 PM
I'm real glad to see this being offered in 24-bit, but I'm tired of having to pay extra for the music to be lossless. It's worth it though which I guess is all that matters

It is worth it (if they get the mix right). It's just the state of the music industry today, combatting the streaming stuff and iTunes.

I'm pretty thrilled about it too. First 24-bit release that isn't DMB 3.0

blumathu
03-25-2015, 06:07 PM
I'm wondering how this was originally recorded. I doubt they'd record in 24 bit back then... does that mean this was recorded on analog tape?

drummerkrf
03-25-2015, 06:09 PM
I'm wondering how this was originally recorded. I doubt they'd record in 24 bit back then... does that mean this was recorded on analog tape?

I would imagine (?), I hope to god they aren't just upsampling with some crap master process.

sean52692
03-25-2015, 06:20 PM
Damn, I have to wait til May? I'll never argue with a 1995, looks great. Really cool they threw a soundcheck tune on there. Could be nothing but still a good idea.

04/05 should tide you over until May! :banana

dmb2much40
03-25-2015, 06:30 PM
Great release coupled with the new DMBLive. They were on fire jan-Feb 95 and including filler from the previous night is clutch. Obviously the acoustic show with a bad tape is a great choice. A discount is a cherry on top.

Jack
03-25-2015, 06:32 PM
I would imagine (?), I hope to god they aren't just upsampling with some crap master process.

of course they are :lol

The newest phish archival release was from 99 and has a 24 bit d/l. Shapiro said phish started full time multi tracking in 1994 and was recording in 24/96 since then, but it seems the multi track they were using until 2000 didn't actually record 24bit? I have a hard time thinking dmb was recording in 24bit on their own then, but there might have been something special about these shows? I mean, iirc, that ants from 1/30 sounds unreal despite just being a goat performance.

greykitkat36
03-25-2015, 06:33 PM
Great release good to have some really early '95. I'm most interested in their sound check. See that's the kind of really cool stuff they should releasing as bonus tracks. Does anyone have any idea what it sounds like? Will just be really cool to hear the band jam out an idea even if it's nothing special... Back when they used sound checks as mini rehearsals.

mjf
03-25-2015, 06:36 PM
I would imagine (?), I hope to god they aren't just upsampling with some crap master process.

This will be a game changer if this was done right from the analog tapes. I'm fuckin drooling at the potential if this is the new standard. Imagine a '96 D&T show like that...

If they upsampled this... Oh man :lol

Jack
03-25-2015, 06:40 PM
This will be a game changer if this was done right from the analog tapes. I'm fuckin drooling at the potential if this is the new standard. Imagine a '96 D&T show like that...

If they upsampled this... Oh man :lol

I have a hard time imagining any 96 d&t sounding better than luther. The mic'ing on the guitars was perfect. It sounds so much better than 2/19 imho.

Steveo Style
03-25-2015, 06:42 PM
So I should be getting this in 24 bit and somehow converting it to a smaller size format for iPhone listening??

drummerkrf
03-25-2015, 06:44 PM
So I should be getting this in 24 bit and somehow converting it to a smaller size format for iPhone listening??

You should get it in 24-bit and buy a USB DAC

:rawk

Jack
03-25-2015, 06:44 PM
So I should be getting this in 24 bit and somehow converting it to a smaller size format for iPhone listening??

Correct. A lot of programs will do it, but I gather most don't do it correctly? However, when I do it for the phish shows I don't hear anything weird on my runs :dunno

drummerkrf
03-25-2015, 06:45 PM
of course they are :lol The newest phish archival release was from 99 and has a 24 bit d/l. Shapiro said phish started full time multi tracking in 1994 and was recording in 24/96 since then, but it seems the multi track they were using until 2000 didn't actually record 24bit? I have a hard time thinking dmb was recording in 24bit on their own then, but there might have been something special about these shows? I mean, iirc, that ants from 1/30 sounds unreal despite just being a goat performance.


Yeah. But I can dream. :lol

As long as they get a better mix than LT29's 24-bit release, I'm ok.

mjf
03-25-2015, 06:56 PM
I have a hard time imagining any 96 d&t sounding better than luther. The mic'ing on the guitars was perfect. It sounds so much better than 2/19 imho.

I'm not very good at the technical aspect of being an audiophile. All I know is I said the same exact thing about several albums/shows/bootlegs, that they just couldn't possibly sound better. It kept me from getting a DAC for awhile. All I know is, since I got my DAC and started redownloading my favorites in 24-bit, most of the time I've been utterly blown away. I thought it was just in my head, so I setup a pepsi challenge for two of my friends and sure enough they overall picked out which was which. I highly doubt anything could possibly sound better than Luther too, but hopefully someday we'll find out :upyours

MaLaKaS
03-25-2015, 07:00 PM
Pretty sure those don't work, gotta be 16-bit to be able to burn it. I'm sure there's a way to convert em though to 16 bit first

Yea, what I want to do is listen to the FLAC24 files on my computer (with a possible purchase of that USB DAC we talked about last month), but I also want a 320kbps copy of this show for my iphone, so that I can listen to the show in my car. How would I go about doing this?

greppson
03-25-2015, 07:02 PM
i can't remember for sure, but i think foobar would work to convert directly to mp3.

Jack
03-25-2015, 07:06 PM
i can't remember for sure, but i think foobar would work to convert directly to mp3.

It definitely does. However, it was explained to me it is not dithered correctly or some shit in a way I didn't quite understand. However, as I said, they do not sound at all weird on my iPod. I'd say this is the way to go. It's how I do it anyway, and I lose no sleep over it.

Fan#41
03-25-2015, 07:08 PM
Maybe my all-time favorite Ants Marching

Same here.

What a solid selection. Two in a row for the DMB camp. They better be careful this could start a trend. Until the Mexico shows are released of course.

Bluewater34
03-25-2015, 07:26 PM
Same here.



What a solid selection. Two in a row for the DMB camp. They better be careful this could start a trend. Until the Mexico shows are released of course.


:lol

ggies
03-25-2015, 08:11 PM
Alright, I went ahead and bought both. I figure I can listen to the DMBlive show now and then switch to the LT in May.

The website said the LT CD was on "Backorder", I'm never seen them use this terminology before. How could it already be out of stock for a pre-sale?

Mitch
03-25-2015, 08:15 PM
Maybe my all-time favorite Ants Marching

Same here.



You guys are referring to this one (1/31), and not the one from 1/30 that was on the promo disc?

Jack
03-25-2015, 08:21 PM
Alright, I went ahead and bought both. I figure I can listen to the DMBlive show now and then switch to the LT in May.

The website said the LT CD was on "Backorder", I'm never seen them use this terminology before. How could it already be out of stock for a pre-sale?

Good call!

Yes, has happened once before. For LT23 2/19/96. I'd say, if correct, this bodes well for these choices geared towards hardcore fans :rawk

wiebrod
03-25-2015, 08:30 PM
Really late to this thread, but damn is the DMB camp getting some things right with this and DMBLive. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

And for those saying we have too much 95, you can never have too much 95.

sean52692
03-25-2015, 08:40 PM
Really late to this thread, but damn is the DMB camp getting some things right with this and DMBLive. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

And for those saying we have too much 95, you can never have too much 95.

Dude this thread was created today. :lol

DMB camp is 2-for-2 in 2015!

willndmb
03-25-2015, 08:44 PM
No way in hell the is really 24 bit
I would just get the 16 and save a couple of bucks
Besides most people can't tell the difference and/or playback system isn't good

ggies
03-25-2015, 08:51 PM
Yes, has happened once before. For LT23 2/19/96. I'd say, if correct, this bodes well for these choices geared towards hardcore fans :rawk

ah, ok. Yes, hopefully. :upyours

drummerkrf
03-25-2015, 08:52 PM
No way in hell the is really 24 bit I would just get the 16 and save a couple of bucks Besides most people can't tell the difference and/or playback system isn't good

:lol

I'll agree with you that the kHz doesn't matter as much as far as telling a difference, 48, 96, 192 etc; but the jump between 16-bit and 24-bit is very noticeable.

Typical throw-away statement.

If you can hear it, you can hear it. If you can't, you can't. ... And most people hear it in the jump from 16 to 24 more than any other factor.

willndmb
03-25-2015, 08:58 PM
They fucked up the shirt too ;)
The jcard folds should match on the front and back
Ie there should be one case on the front and not three or at least leave off the 33 and crap on the front

wiebrod
03-25-2015, 09:23 PM
Dude this thread was created today. :lol

DMB camp is 2-for-2 in 2015!

I'm really late because this place hasn't had a thread move this fast for a long time.

Well I guess except for the thread that allowed me to now practice law, thanks Boyd.

drummerkrf
03-26-2015, 05:31 AM
This has been said before elsewhere, but this is the perfect release to cap off the Live Trax series and start fresh with a new one.

They're starting to show us their cards in these latest LT releases, the music industry is changing, and they obviously see that with this 24-bit master of a show from '95. Why not kick off a new series that is openly susceptible to compilation (a la LT30) and sound check material (a la LT33), that also has a standard offering at 24-bit.

Time to switch it up after this, this would certainly put the lid on this series nicely.

sdaltons
03-26-2015, 07:04 AM
Curious to hear the souncheck jam. Anything else essential or noteworthy about this release?
if we are doing soundchecks that really opens up a whole new thing. Light Lift Me Up, the 2004 soundcheck jam, etc...

Fan#41
03-26-2015, 07:24 AM
You guys are referring to this one (1/31), and not the one from 1/30 that was on the promo disc?

I was referring to 1/30. I also love how it's mixed on that promo disc.

batleon
03-26-2015, 08:15 AM
Initially I thought: Not ANOTHER ’95 show. I am dying for something from ’98, ’99, ’02, or ‘04
- The last ’04 show was released in 2007, eight years and 50ish releases ago
- The last ’98 and full band ’02 shows were released in 2004, almost ELEVEN years and 60ish releases ago
- The last full band ’99 show was LISTENER SUPPORTED, a mind-blowingly long gap of SIXTEEN YEARS and over SEVENTY RELEASES AGO

We need these years desperately.

Upon further thought though:
- It’s nice to see them rounding out a shorter show with filler from the same two night stand. I feel like LT30 released them from the restrictions they set for themselves and now they’re being more creative.
- And what’s this? A Soundcheck? GTFO
- Bundling this with the DMBlive (which I do want because it’s acoustic and a unique release) is pretty damn clever and makes me want to pull the trigger because I WANT them to do stuff like this more often


tl:dr version:
Well played Cap$haw you’ve convinced me to fork over cash for yet another ’95 LT.
Just make it something from those other years I mentioned next time, OK?

ThememanXX
03-26-2015, 08:17 AM
I very much prefer the DMB 2.0 era (1998-2007); but this release is fantastic and will get a ton of play from me.

Jack
03-26-2015, 09:28 AM
You consider 98-00 2.0?

ThememanXX
03-26-2015, 09:49 AM
You consider 98-00 2.0?

I consider 2.0 part of "the butch era." 1998 sounded much different from 1997, especially with adding the BTCS material to the catalog. I consider 2.0 the overall sound of the band....'98 was on the fringe, but I'd rather lump it with the following years than the preceeding.

Really a potato/potahto situation, I guess.

Mersh
03-26-2015, 09:52 AM
This has been said before elsewhere, but this is the perfect release to cap off the Live Trax series and start fresh with a new one. They're starting to show us their cards in these latest LT releases, the music industry is changing, and they obviously see that with this 24-bit master of a show from '95. Why not kick off a new series that is openly susceptible to compilation (a la LT30) and sound check material (a la LT33), that also has a standard offering at 24-bit. Time to switch it up after this, this would certainly put the lid on this series nicely. why can't they just continue the same series, but with 24-bit (which is still more niche than I think you are implying here) offerings. Changing the name when you are essentially offering the same thing (DMB live shows) seem pointless to me.

ThememanXX
03-26-2015, 09:56 AM
Changing the name would be useless, just let the series evolve, it doesn't have to be what it's always been.

Jack
03-26-2015, 10:36 AM
I consider 2.0 part of "the butch era." 1998 sounded much different from 1997, especially with adding the BTCS material to the catalog. I consider 2.0 the overall sound of the band....'98 was on the fringe, but I'd rather lump it with the following years than the preceeding.

Really a potato/potahto situation, I guess.

Just can't see it. December '00 Tour ended 1.0 dmb and the band as we knew it. It was literally the last time they ever toured in the oroginal formation. Butch was simply a guest until Everyday came out. At that point they couldn't tour that material without him (which is why they gave up after 5/9/01 or whenever). The band had to change. Same with when Butch left after 07 and Tim came on board (though the plan until right before the tour was to have both).

Imho:

1.0 91-00
2.0 01-07
3.0 08-present

I mean the band sounded different with greisar playing too, but those first few years aren't their own era.

JustinC
03-26-2015, 10:56 AM
Imho:

1.0 91-00
2.0 01-07
3.0 08-present

I mean the band sounded different with greisar playing too, but those first few years aren't their own era.

Yep. That's how I see it.

If we are going to be technical about it we are really on like DMB 8.0 right now

1.0- Original 4
2.0- Greisar joins
3.0- Boyd joins
4.0- The 5 (Griesar leaves)
5.0- Butch joins
6.0- Rashawn joins
7.0- Tim joins/Butch leaves
8.0- LeRoi passes away/Jeff joins.

mjf
03-26-2015, 11:05 AM
Interesting. I guess when we post our favorite era it would help to clarify how you divide em. Normally I say I can't stand alot of the 2.0 era besides '02-'04, but I always broke it down in my mind like Jack.

JustinC
03-26-2015, 11:08 AM
I mean Butch guested at what 10 out of 100 shows all of '98? IMO Tim and Bela were more of a factor in '98 than Butch was.

Jack
03-26-2015, 11:16 AM
I mean Butch guested at what 10 out of 100 shows all of '98? IMO Tim and Bela were more of a factor in '98 than Butch was.

Butch was at his Porn-stary-est during that 98 tour iirc, however. I remember sitting there being like, "who the fuck is this guy?"

Mitch
03-26-2015, 11:32 AM
December '00 Tour ended 1.0 dmb and the band as we knew it.

Imho:

1.0 91-00
2.0 01-07
3.0 08-present


Agreed.

Hopper
03-26-2015, 11:49 AM
With all these '95 releases, it'd be nice to get a 41 Police, besides the first one played in one of the DMBLives.

ThememanXX
03-26-2015, 11:54 AM
With all these '95 releases, it'd be nice to get a 41 Police, besides the first one played in one of the DMBLives.

I'd still love that, Hold Me Down and the Typical with the 'Raven' lyrics on some sort of bonus disc one of these days.

fortyone
03-26-2015, 12:19 PM
Agreed.

This is a long-ish read about DMB and DMB fandom that was posted on here before, but I think it hits it close to right when it comes to eras of the band.

https://medium.com/@mikemiccoli/i-shall-miss-this-thing-when-it-all-rolls-by-93311db4aa5c

batleon
03-26-2015, 12:23 PM
Just can't see it. December '00 Tour ended 1.0 dmb and the band as we knew it. It was literally the last time they ever toured in the oroginal formation. Butch was simply a guest until Everyday came out. At that point they couldn't tour that material without him (which is why they gave up after 5/9/01 or whenever). The band had to change. Same with when Butch left after 07 and Tim came on board (though the plan until right before the tour was to have both).

Imho:

1.0 91-00
2.0 01-07
3.0 08-present

I mean the band sounded different with greisar playing too, but those first few years aren't their own era.

Jack is right. Of course the band has changed and evolved over the years but there are hard, distinct lines right there. That's where the biggest changes in direction occurred.

Poth Ead
03-26-2015, 12:35 PM
I purchased the Academy and listening now :smoke

Yea...we can never have too much '95, indeed

Mersh
03-26-2015, 03:16 PM
Without question

1.0 anything before ED
2.0 post ED until loss of Roi
3.0 post Roi

DMBCLSTJ
03-26-2015, 03:27 PM
Without question

1.0 anything before ED
2.0 post ED until loss of Roi
3.0 post Roi

:upyours

Fan#41
03-26-2015, 03:32 PM
Just can't see it. December '00 Tour ended 1.0 dmb and the band as we knew it. It was literally the last time they ever toured in the oroginal formation. Butch was simply a guest until Everyday came out. At that point they couldn't tour that material without him (which is why they gave up after 5/9/01 or whenever). The band had to change. Same with when Butch left after 07 and Tim came on board (though the plan until right before the tour was to have both).

Imho:

1.0 91-00
2.0 01-07
3.0 08-present

I mean the band sounded different with greisar playing too, but those first few years aren't their own era.

I would definitely consider 2000 a Butch year. It wasn't that DMB just finally realized they couldn't tour without him in 2001, it was a matter of Butch himself agreeing to come aboard "officially" full-time. They were already considering him a band member during the Summer of '00, it was just a matter of convincing him to join and management getting everything in order to make it financially and legally official. So I would probably say, for me, '99 was the cut-off in consideration for the ending of an era with the core 5, regardless of a few shows sprinkled here and there after that only featured the 5.

I'm also on the fence about the time Grieser spent with the band and whether or not it should be considered an era. It was only a short time in the scheme of things but the fact that he was a part of the band's live infancy and early growth, and the status of how popular his last show was in the trading world, kind of indicates that his presence did have an impact on the fan base early on. To me, that's part of what defines an era, good or bad.

With all these '95 releases, it'd be nice to get a 41 Police, besides the first one played in one of the DMBLives.

4/18/95 would be a great one.

Bluewater34
03-26-2015, 03:49 PM
I would definitely consider 2000 a Butch year. It wasn't that DMB just finally realized they couldn't tour without him in 2001, it was a matter of Butch himself agreeing to come aboard "officially" full-time. They were already considering him a band member during the Summer of '00, it was just a matter of convincing him to join and management getting everything in order to make it financially and legally official. So I would probably say, for me, '99 was the cut-off in consideration for the ending of an era with the core 5, regardless of a few shows sprinkled here and there after that only featured the 5.


Yeah, I've always kind of considered 2000 to be the year they shifted. Not only all the reasons you mentioned, but I feel like they approached their music differently starting then too. There were inklings of it before that, but ED tunes aside, the way they played in '01 was solidified in '00.

Mersh
03-26-2015, 04:09 PM
Also I find the .0 stuff annoying. I get that it is just a way to identify different eras or whatever, but...

Fan#41
03-26-2015, 04:11 PM
Also I find the .0 stuff annoying. I get that it is just a way to identify different eras or whatever, but...

I actually don't mind small bits but overall I kind of agree and never fault anyone for hating that time of the band because of Peter, Dave's voice, etc...

Fan#41
03-26-2015, 04:23 PM
Yeah, I've always kind of considered 2000 to be the year they shifted. Not only all the reasons you mentioned, but I feel like they approached their music differently starting then too. There were inklings of it before that, but ED tunes aside, the way they played in '01 was solidified in '00.

Well I was just going strictly in terms of band members and inclusions and such. If it were anything else it would a much more in-depth look because even within specific eras already mentioned could be broken down into "sub" eras with specifics like musical maturity, direction, popularity, all that.

Bluewater34
03-26-2015, 05:08 PM
Well I was just going strictly in terms of band members and inclusions and such. If it were anything else it would a much more in-depth look because even within specific eras already mentioned could be broken down into "sub" eras with specifics like musical maturity, direction, popularity, all that.


I get it. I was just expanding with my own view on it.

Jayes
03-26-2015, 06:15 PM
I see people talking about "capping the series." Was that the original intention with releasing shows? Did they say they'd be changing the name of the releases? I cannot imagine they plan to stop releasing DMB shows until 2050

Bluewater34
03-26-2015, 06:34 PM
I see people talking about "capping the series." Was that the original intention with releasing shows? Did they say they'd be changing the name of the releases? I cannot imagine they plan to stop releasing DMB shows until 2050


No, no one is actually talking about ending the series. It looks like there may be some movement toward higher-res releases, maybe, but there's no reason they wouldn't still be Live Trax branded.

drummerkrf
03-27-2015, 09:18 AM
I see people talking about "capping the series." Was that the original intention with releasing shows? Did they say they'd be changing the name of the releases? I cannot imagine they plan to stop releasing DMB shows until 2050

Exactly. By then we'd have Live Trax 172. They gotta change the name at some point. (Not stopping completely from releasing live shows)

I guess I've gotten used to the multiple live Dead series. They have many, and they then become collections, which I find personally more enjoyable to sift through and discover, or [re]discover in the case of our fandom for this band.

mjf
03-27-2015, 11:32 PM
What they're doing now is fine by me. DMBLive is giving us an avenue for shows that were destined to never see the light of day, and we're getting professionally mixed shows from different eras in high res with the LT series. My only hope would be they create a D&T specific series someday. That'd be friggin awesome, even if it only had 2-3 shows per year. So long as we keep getting stuff like LT23 and 3/3 though, I'm happy

Bluewater34
03-27-2015, 11:35 PM
I don't think that D&T needs their own series, necessarily, but they definitely need to put more of those out in the other series.

Fan#41
03-28-2015, 08:01 AM
What we could really use is an extensive D&T compilation spanning '93 - now.

Mersh
03-28-2015, 08:13 AM
I enjoy D+T 93 quite a bit, but I feel like the 2 shows they've already released are good enough for me. 96, 97 and 99 are just so much better IMO. That being said, I am sure I wouldn't turn such a thing down.

Bluewater34
03-28-2015, 08:40 AM
I enjoy D+T 93 quite a bit, but I feel like the 2 shows they've already released are good enough for me. 96, 97 and 99 are just so much better IMO. That being said, I am sure I wouldn't turn such a thing down.


I feel the exact same way. I'm not all that interested in the early D&T shows, but I'd buy a "best-of '93" comp.

dmb2much40
03-28-2015, 11:52 AM
Any chance we ever get a dave and friends show? Or is it a nightmare with all the royalties? I know we have bonaroo but the winter was much better.

mjf
03-28-2015, 12:02 PM
I don't think that D&T needs their own series, necessarily, but they definitely need to put more of those out in the other series.

Yeah, I just want them to release more shows per year. So if they would rather release a couple as dmblive/LT, than I see no point of a separate series either. I don't give a shit about the packaging, just gimme the friggin shows

I enjoy D+T 93 quite a bit, but I feel like the 2 shows they've already released are good enough for me. 96, 97 and 99 are just so much better IMO. That being said, I am sure I wouldn't turn such a thing down.

I agree, but I'd add '94 to that list as well. I think they really had a different feel from '93, and that those two shows won't cover them as well. Those shows are truly fantastic

What we could really use is an extensive D&T compilation spanning '93 - now.


That'd be my dream. There's so many one off performances that need to see the light of day, but unfortuntately the shows they are from don't necessarily deserve a release. I think '99 is the most deserving of a comp since it has the most one off performances we need, but really no show that covers nearly every single one (like 2/18 or 2/21/97 does). 3/13/99 comes close for sure, but still is missing so much

Mersh
03-28-2015, 12:17 PM
I'd love a release of 11.7.94.

Bluewater34
03-28-2015, 12:19 PM
Any chance we ever get a dave and friends show? Or is it a nightmare with all the royalties? I know we have bonaroo but the winter was much better.


I don't know what the legal ramifications would be (with the people involved there must have been a clause in their original contracts about future releases, right? Or maybe that's why there isn't one), but I guess I just feel like if they were going to release a D&F show through the DMB storefront that they would have by now. I'd be incredibly happy to be wrong, but I just don't see it happening. Those shows aren't getting any more popular, in general, as time passes.

Fan#41
03-29-2015, 08:59 AM
That'd be my dream. There's so many one off performances that need to see the light of day, but unfortuntately the shows they are from don't necessarily deserve a release. I think '99 is the most deserving of a comp since it has the most one off performances we need, but really no show that covers nearly every single one (like 2/18 or 2/21/97 does). 3/13/99 comes close for sure, but still is missing so much

Exactly.

celluloid hero
03-29-2015, 09:04 AM
What we could really use is an extensive D&T compilation spanning '93 - now.

How much stuff is there really? Aren't there like 7 shows, they've released 2, some of the others we have tapes of. I would guess there are a few shows we don't know about, probably some that they don't have either.

Fan#41
03-29-2015, 09:11 AM
No no, I mean spanning from 1993 to now, the present, 2015. haha Probably should have made that more clear.

Mersh
03-29-2015, 10:44 AM
Ah...yeah I misread that. I took it as we need a 93 comp now.

greykitkat36
03-29-2015, 12:41 PM
I wish they'd make a DMB app for the phone where you can listen to all the live releases --trax, dmblive and Instore. I'd pay for that.

Bluewater34
03-29-2015, 01:13 PM
I've already paid for most of that stuff.

Mersh
03-29-2015, 01:34 PM
I've already paid for most of that stuff.

With the Live Phish app, you get access to everything you've purchased/downloaded via ticket codes for free.

Bluewater34
03-29-2015, 01:41 PM
Yeah, that'd be fine.

Mersh
03-29-2015, 01:42 PM
no way DMB wouldn't make you buy it all again though...or at least pay a monthly fee.

Bluewater34
03-29-2015, 01:47 PM
no way DMB wouldn't make you buy it all again though...or at least pay a monthly fee.


Yeah, that was my thinking.

greykitkat36
03-29-2015, 06:38 PM
Yeah, that was my thinking.

I'd pay a monthly fee as long as they'd make releases available to the paying users as soon as they're announced and give you like 30 days to listen to that new release before having to pay for it.

Bluewater34
03-29-2015, 07:26 PM
I literally own every release from the band that I want as of now, so paying for them again, even a monthly fee would definitely rub me the wrong way.

sean52692
03-29-2015, 07:34 PM
Yeah, there's no way in hell I'd pay for an app unless it brought something more to the table. I have an iPod. Plus you can stream a lot of releases via Spotify, I believe.

jmur
03-30-2015, 02:54 PM
Yeah, there's no way in hell I'd pay for an app unless it brought something more to the table. I have an iPod. Plus you can stream a lot of releases via Spotify, I believe.

the only live trax spotify has is 13. it does have most, if not all of the "live at" releases though

sean52692
03-30-2015, 07:46 PM
the only live trax spotify has is 13. it does have most, if not all of the "live at" releases though

Got it. Yeah I wasn't sure. I bet a lot of people use Google Music or the iTunes streaming cloud so an app probably isn't worth it. I don't know though since I don't stream.

Mitch
03-31-2015, 11:11 AM
I have yet to use any streaming music service. When I listen to music, I know exactly what I want to listen to, and it's always something I already own.

mjf
03-31-2015, 01:55 PM
I have yet to use any streaming music service. When I listen to music, I know exactly what I want to listen to, and it's always something I already own.

A-fuckin-men. I have never had any interest in any of that stuff. Someone bought me a year of satellite radio for my car as a gift, and I felt awful- I never friggin had any desire to use it. I'm even less interested in steaming music since I started to become more and more of an audiophile (or snob, however you wanna put it)

I'm 26 going on 57 though. Most of my friends love those services.

celluloid hero
03-31-2015, 02:00 PM
I use satellite for sports more than anything. You can get pretty specialized with your tastes.

But I was of the same opinion as you guys until I tried Spotify. Would never buy a Springsteen album, but I know very little of him and I randomly just wanted something different, so I streamed his first four albums while working. If you freely download .mp3s from wherever, streaming services aren't really necessary.

If you're ok spending a little bit of money and doing it the legal way and you do listen and actively look for different things, $10 a month is nothing when you can bluetooth stream that from your phone in your car or to Sonos or use the TV or Xbox app.

It's less than the cost of an album per month and you can save a good amount of albums locally for a flight when you don't have internet. It's a pretty good way to do things if you're not just downloading.

ThememanXX
03-31-2015, 02:12 PM
I guess this new Jay-Z streaming service offers CD-quality streaming for $20/mo. Not sure how that'd work, but that would be cool, albeit the pricetag.

drummerkrf
03-31-2015, 02:32 PM
I guess this new Jay-Z streaming service offers CD-quality streaming for $20/mo. Not sure how that'd work, but that would be cool, albeit the pricetag.

Talking about Tidal?

Mersh
03-31-2015, 02:54 PM
A-fuckin-men. I have never had any interest in any of that stuff. Someone bought me a year of satellite radio for my car as a gift, and I felt awful- I never friggin had any desire to use it. I'm even less interested in steaming music since I started to become more and more of an audiophile (or snob, however you wanna put it)

I'm 26 going on 57 though. Most of my friends love those services.

So why are people angry about streaming services? Just that it isn't pono quality?

mjf
03-31-2015, 03:16 PM
So why are people angry about streaming services? Just that it isn't pono quality?

I'm not sure why people are angry about them, or even that people were to be honest. All my friends that have it swear by it. I just am stubbourn and rather listen to entire albums/shows in higher quality in my VLC player I guess. Personal preference

ThememanXX
03-31-2015, 03:26 PM
So why are people angry about streaming services? Just that it isn't pono quality?

I'm not angry about it, but every streaming service I've ever tried sounds like garbage....and I listen to all DMB shows in 128kbps MP3's on my iPhone, so I'm no snob.

drummerkrf
03-31-2015, 03:28 PM
So why are people angry about streaming services? Just that it isn't pono quality?

I think streaming has its place, just a matter of preference and availability. What I don't get is how it can be so justifiable for the labels. If they think iTunes snowed one over on them so many years ago and has left them powerless regarding prices/individual track sales (which the industry has, no doubt, adapted to)... how is this not worse? Perhaps it is. :dunno

Mersh
03-31-2015, 03:36 PM
I'm not angry about it, but every streaming service I've ever tried sounds like garbage....and I listen to all DMB shows in 128kbps MP3's on my iPhone, so I'm no snob.

I don't have a problem with the way spotify sounds on the highest quality setting.

Mersh
03-31-2015, 03:38 PM
I'm not sure why people are angry about them, or even that people were to be honest. All my friends that have it swear by it. I just am stubbourn and rather listen to entire albums/shows in higher quality in my VLC player I guess. Personal preference

a-fucking-men just seemed to have that kind of slant to it. I just never knew that people outside the music industry were that anti-streaming services. If it's part of the everyone is an audiophile now thing, then ok I guess. heh.

celluloid hero
03-31-2015, 03:40 PM
I think streaming has its place, just a matter of preference and availability. What I don't get is how it can be so justifiable for the labels. If they think iTunes snowed one over on them so many years ago and has left them powerless regarding prices/individual track sales (which the industry has, no doubt, adapted to)... how is this not worse? Perhaps it is. :dunno

first person to ever stick up for a label.

mjf
03-31-2015, 03:50 PM
a-fucking-men just seemed to have that kind of slant to it. I just never knew that people outside the music industry were that anti-streaming services. If it's part of the everyone is an audiophile now thing, then ok I guess. heh.

Ah gotcha bad choice of wording then. Like I said my friends all use it, so I got a little enthusiastic reading someone post the same opinion as me for a change. I actually wish I liked it, it's so much easier and faster than what I do

Anything that gets people listening to music more though is great IMO, regardless of the sound quality

Jayes
03-31-2015, 04:04 PM
VLC is the shit

drummerkrf
03-31-2015, 04:07 PM
first person to ever stick up for a label.

All I'm saying is that both ends of the spectrum have their place. Some of us prefer higher quality music, some do not. For those of us that do prefer decent-to-excellent quality, the risk with streaming services being so popular is that the industry will again adapt to it and the idea that recording in anything higher than cd quality will again slip, leaving us to wonder why our favorite bands in 2020 aren't giving us better purchasing options.

Its an interesting dynamic, seeing all of this happen at the same time. On one hand you have a vinyl resurgence with quality at the forefront, while on the other hand streaming is growing to be the current mass-market generation's preferred vehicle for listening... Even if a service was developed in 5 years, when technology gets even better, that allows users to stream 192k/24bit music at $50/month or some crazy shit... it still wouldn't be worth it as far as the labels are concerned.

What happens in the generation's to come, when suddenly all of the classic acts see their relevance fade away and their generations of fans are dead? Those are the only acts that had consistently recorded on analog, which translates to higher quality, but only because of the technology in the era they grew to prominence. Their are only a handful of popular acts in the younger crowd's wheelhouse that are cognizant of this, releasing new music in 2014-15 in high resolution. It all comes down to what the labels see as 'worth it'... in terms of production.

Maybe I'm way off on all of this... just seems like the labels need some leverage again if high quality music is going to survive.

This has gone way off topic for what this thread is intended, apologies. I'll shut up now.

Mersh
03-31-2015, 04:16 PM
Just to note, not having a problem with stream quality does not mean you don't prefer high quality music. I do, but I don't have my ideal listening situation and equipment at all times. If I am at work, at the gym, out for a run, or whatever I'm not bringing my vinyl collection, best headphones, etc.

Mersh
03-31-2015, 04:17 PM
That being said, I can't imagine what riding in a car or passively listening to music in a social situation must be like for some of you/with some of you.

mjf
03-31-2015, 04:33 PM
Just to note, not having a problem with stream quality does not mean you don't prefer high quality music. I do, but I don't have my ideal listening situation and equipment at all times. If I am at work, at the gym, out for a run, or whatever I'm not bringing my vinyl collection, best headphones, etc.

I gotta spend a ton of time on trains/subways/etc and always just use my ipod I bought in 2007. To listen to the audiophile stuff I'd need my laptop, external harddrive, the little DAC gadget, and my headphones which are big... no chance I'm bringing all that anywhere :lol especially since I live in the worst part of Philadelphia

That being said, I can't imagine what riding in a car or passively listening to music in a social situation must be like for some of you/with some of you.

Music is just background noise usually always in the car/social settings when I'm with people. Only exception would be when my friends and I specifically get together to listen to music (usually a new album), then I bring my shit

I'm one of those douche bags that really gets into music when I'm listening to it.... so I keep that shit private :lol

drummerkrf
03-31-2015, 04:38 PM
Just to note, not having a problem with stream quality does not mean you don't prefer high quality music. I do, but I don't have my ideal listening situation and equipment at all times. If I am at work, at the gym, out for a run, or whatever I'm not bringing my vinyl collection, best headphones, etc.

Of course. That's why I maintain that each has its place.

ThememanXX
03-31-2015, 07:15 PM
That being said, I can't imagine what riding in a car or passively listening to music in a social situation must be like for some of you/with some of you.

I can't listen to music on the radio or satellite radio in the car, the quality is just awful and it drives me nuts. iPhone via USB cord or talk radio it is.

Mitch
03-31-2015, 08:02 PM
I can't listen to music on the radio or satellite radio in the car, the quality is just awful and it drives me nuts. iPhone via USB cord or talk radio it is.

I listen to satellite radio in the car all the time, but mainly Howard and MLB radio, but I'll listen to the rock stations a bit too, and Hits 1 with the kids.

My post earlier today that started some of this conversation was just me saying that I've never used any of the streaming services like Spotify, b/c I've never felt the need to. I don't see how that could have been taken to be "angry" or snobby about it.

Mersh
03-31-2015, 08:27 PM
I can't listen to music on the radio or satellite radio in the car, the quality is just awful and it drives me nuts. iPhone via USB cord or talk radio it is. iPhone huh? You are an audiophile.

Mersh
03-31-2015, 08:28 PM
I don't see how that could have been taken to be "angry" or snobby about it. me neither. I was talking to someone else.

mjf
04-01-2015, 06:57 PM
me neither. I was talking to someone else.

Is my username tough to remember, or not worth remembering? :lol

;)

Bluewater34
04-01-2015, 07:04 PM
So... This release should be great.

Fan#41
04-01-2015, 08:52 PM
Never enough '95 released for me.

ThememanXX
04-02-2015, 05:55 AM
iPhone huh? You are an audiophile.

That's the thing....never said I was! Just can't stand streaming quality or satellite radio.

jmur
04-02-2015, 07:25 AM
Got it. Yeah I wasn't sure. I bet a lot of people use Google Music or the iTunes streaming cloud so an app probably isn't worth it. I don't know though since I don't stream.

the quality of spotify is fantastic. i prefer it over the radio 10 out of 10 times. if the premium wasnt so expensive (10/month) id jump on it. i got a 3 month trial for .99 and loved every second of it but cant justify 10/month for it.

sdaltons
04-02-2015, 07:26 AM
Talking about Tidal?
no the other new Jay-Z music streaming service

cgator41
04-02-2015, 12:34 PM
I don't have a problem with the way spotify sounds on the highest quality setting.

Yeah, there's a big difference between free Spotify and Spotify premium. I'm pretty picky about sound quality, and I have no problem whatsoever with the premium version. Every once in while you'll find a poorly encoded song that sounds bad across the board, but that doesn't happen very often.

mjf
04-02-2015, 01:05 PM
Yeah, there's a big difference between free Spotify and Spotify premium. I'm pretty picky about sound quality, and I have no problem whatsoever with the premium version. Every once in while you'll find a poorly encoded song that sounds bad across the board, but that doesn't happen very often.

I gotta check that out then, I don't think I ever heard the premium feed

mja271
04-02-2015, 08:13 PM
I have premium Spotify and love it. Quality is very good and I listen to things I never would otherwise.

mjf
04-02-2015, 08:47 PM
It's so nice having 4/5 to hold us over until this comes out, I really hope they keep doing this for all subsequent LTs

Can't friggin wait for this show though, I've never heard it before

Jack
04-02-2015, 09:15 PM
It's so nice having 4/5 to hold us over until this comes out, I really hope they keep doing this for all subsequent LTs

Can't friggin wait for this show though, I've never heard it before

I think 4/5 is a superior show, but we shall see. You have to wonder if the cut in Warehouse precluded it from being a Live Trax candidate, because 4/5 is an unreal release.

But I agree. I want a dmblive to acompany every live trax release with the discount and one in between. Really get out there. DMB, D&T, DM & DM&F. If you want to toss a C'ville allstars or some other 'non dave' thing that could work too.

celluloid hero
04-02-2015, 09:37 PM
Can't friggin wait for this show though, I've never heard it before

The Seek Up is filthier than most.

JustinC
04-02-2015, 10:14 PM
I think 4/5 is a superior show, but we shall see. You have to wonder if the cut in Warehouse precluded it from being a Live Trax candidate, because 4/5 is an unreal release.

But I agree. I want a dmblive to acompany every live trax release with the discount and one in between. Really get out there. DMB, D&T, DM & DM&F. If you want to toss a C'ville allstars or some other 'non dave' thing that could work too.

Ya fuck Stefan and his opinion that they release too many shows.

I want them to start a Live Trax Companion series where if they released one night of a multi night stand then they release the other night(s) and if it was a single night then release another show from that tour.

Really I only want that series so we can get 12/7/98 and the other 2 nights of Hartford '00

greykitkat36
04-02-2015, 10:38 PM
Ya fuck Stefan and his opinion that they release too many shows.

I want them to start a Live Trax Companion series where if they released one night of a multi night stand then they release the other night(s) and if it was a single night then release another show from that tour.

Really I only want that series so we can get 12/7/98 and the other 2 nights of Hartford '00

That's wishful thinking and while awesome, I doubt it'll happen. There really are so many shows from this band though, they could release two every time out and still be releasing stuff 20 years from now.

greykitkat36
04-02-2015, 10:40 PM
Whats the consensus on the best Live Trax so far out of the 33 we have? Is it still 12.31.96 or does anything trump it..it's been a while since I've listened to a lot of these.

cryfreedom09
04-02-2015, 11:07 PM
Whats the consensus on the best Live Trax so far out of the 33 we have? Is it still 12.31.96 or does anything trump it..it's been a while since I've listened to a lot of these.

To me nothing comes close to LT 3

Bluewater34
04-03-2015, 12:40 AM
I'm not sure you'd get a consensus, but I'd bet that most people around here would say 1, 3, 7, 23 or maybe 30.

Jack
04-03-2015, 06:20 AM
I don't think there is any maybe about 30. But that list is about it for the top 5, I'd say.

Mersh
04-03-2015, 07:05 AM
I don't think there is any maybe about 30. But that list is about it for the top 5, I'd say.

Agreed.

mjf
04-03-2015, 12:53 PM
I think 4/5 is a superior show, but we shall see. You have to wonder if the cut in Warehouse precluded it from being a Live Trax candidate, because 4/5 is an unreal release.

:upyours I've never heard this show, but unless it's truly magical like 5/5 or something then I doubt it will top 4/5 for me since I love it so much. Can't wait though

I definitely think 4/5 woulda gotten the LT nod if it weren't for the errors too, considering obviously the acoustic two set, warehouse bonus disc, etc. I might be crazy to say this though, but I really think I love that 4/5 was left more raw than it would have been as a LT. Might be because I listen to boots alot or something, but I just love the raw feel to it and how the tape makes me feel like I'm at the show :dunno:

Mersh
04-03-2015, 01:48 PM
I hope they put all the LTs and DMBLives on Spotify at some point.

greykitkat36
04-03-2015, 01:59 PM
:upyours I've never heard this show, but unless it's truly magical like 5/5 or something then I doubt it will top 4/5 for me since I love it so much. Can't wait though

I definitely think 4/5 woulda gotten the LT nod if it weren't for the errors too, considering obviously the acoustic two set, warehouse bonus disc, etc. I might be crazy to say this though, but I really think I love that 4/5 was left more raw than it would have been as a LT. Might be because I listen to boots alot or something, but I just love the raw feel to it and how the tape makes me feel like I'm at the show :dunno:

A lot of the '95 releases have that feel. Part of it is the just the band themselves back then they were more raw, more passionate and lively. Carters drum sound was way different, Daves voice way different and it is kind of an unpolished intensity about it. You can really hear the energy on all the older releases but def more so in 95 than others. And that's a tough thing to hear on a SBD recording with less crowd noise present but the energy really is there.

JustinC
04-03-2015, 02:39 PM
Fuck Spotify though, one time I was listening and Spoon came on and it was listed as Live from Cincinnati and I got kind of excited but it was just the one from Alpine.

Thought there might have been a chance DMB gave Spotify a couple of exclusive tracks.

But nope.

Mersh
04-03-2015, 02:50 PM
Yeah, it was a joke based on the discussion earlier in the thread.

mjf
04-03-2015, 03:11 PM
A lot of the '95 releases have that feel. Part of it is the just the band themselves back then they were more raw, more passionate and lively. Carters drum sound was way different, Daves voice way different and it is kind of an unpolished intensity about it. You can really hear the energy on all the older releases but def more so in 95 than others. And that's a tough thing to hear on a SBD recording with less crowd noise present but the energy really is there.

I'll forever be envious of the guys here that saw em that year. Musta been somethin else

Mersh
04-03-2015, 03:26 PM
It was.

Bluewater34
04-03-2015, 03:32 PM
So, who wants to baselessly speculate about the soundcheck jam? Lyrics? Solos? Is it an early version of something we'll recognize? What do you hope it is?

Also, why does this have to be over a month away?

JustinC
04-03-2015, 03:43 PM
Yeah, it was a joke based on the discussion earlier in the thread.

Back reading is for suckers, I just dive right in.

greykitkat36
04-03-2015, 03:53 PM
So, who wants to baselessly speculate about the soundcheck jam? Lyrics? Solos? Is it an early version of something we'll recognize? What do you hope it is?

Also, why does this have to be over a month away?

I'm really excited about it, but I'm setting my expectations very low. I don't think it'll be more than just a short improv jam, maybe some lyrical mumbling if we're lucky. Do we know the length of the song yet? Unless it's over 4 minutes, I don't think it'll be much to write home about but I'm still really happy they are giving us rare stuff like that. Means good things hopefully for future releases.

mjf
04-03-2015, 04:03 PM
So, who wants to baselessly speculate about the soundcheck jam? Lyrics? Solos? Is it an early version of something we'll recognize? What do you hope it is?

Also, why does this have to be over a month away?

I'm really damn excited. Might end up being nothing of course, but alot of those soundchecks that circulate that are essentially just jams are sweet. I forget the names now- stuff like Light Lift Me Up?

Bluewater34
04-03-2015, 04:08 PM
I'm really excited about it, but I'm setting my expectations very low. I don't think it'll be more than just a short improv jam, maybe some lyrical mumbling if we're lucky. Do we know the length of the song yet?


We don't know the length yet, which is why I'm being guarded in my excitement too. Right now I'm expecting something more along the lines of most of their in-show jams that are basic a groove with some noodling. But no matter what it is, the fact that they're releasing it is a very good thing.

mjf
04-03-2015, 04:44 PM
We don't know the length yet, which is why I'm being guarded in my excitement too. Right now I'm expecting something more along the lines of most of their in-show jams that are basic a groove with some noodling. But no matter what it is, the fact that they're releasing it is a very good thing.

The reason I'm excited is I can't think of a single song or jam they wrote from '91-'95 I don't atleast enjoy. I think at the very least it'll be a nice listen, so that has me excited

Unless they're jamming on Spotlight :lol

Mersh
04-03-2015, 05:00 PM
So, who wants to baselessly speculate about the soundcheck jam? Lyrics? Solos? Is it an early version of something we'll recognize? What do you hope it is? Also, why does this have to be over a month away? machead

Mersh
04-03-2015, 05:01 PM
Re: soundchecks...take a minute might be my favorite that we have. I also just love that whole show.

Thrawn
04-03-2015, 07:45 PM
To me nothing comes close to LT 3

:upyours

sean52692
04-04-2015, 12:20 AM
Re: soundchecks...take a minute might be my favorite that we have. I also just love that whole show.

Feel the exact same way. Dressed In Black is my favorite soundcheck song though.

LIOGwhat
04-04-2015, 09:40 AM
Re: soundchecks...take a minute might be my favorite that we have. I also just love that whole show.

never heard it...can you post it?

JustinC
04-04-2015, 09:51 AM
never heard it...can you post it?

kaUKFcrL6Lw

mjf
04-04-2015, 10:45 AM
I can't think of any of those from that time period I didn't enjoy

JustinC
04-04-2015, 10:58 AM
It's a damn shame Dave didn't bring at least a few of them into the fold.

Jayes
04-04-2015, 12:10 PM
Eh, not terrible. But the same chords/riff of SDL, some Jimi pieces, and the Joy Ride chorus. Obviously these came after, but you see where this went...

soright05
04-04-2015, 03:49 PM
They need to release these faster after they are announced


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Mersh
04-04-2015, 04:24 PM
They need to release these faster after they are announced


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A month-5 weeks isn't really that long.

mjf
04-04-2015, 04:28 PM
They need to release these faster after they are announced


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So long as they keep giving us a complimentary dmblive, I don't mind the wait. Especially this one, as I'm guessing 4/5 will get the most play for me in the long run

Waiting for LT23 was fuckin torment for me though, worse than the wait for AFTW even

soright05
04-04-2015, 04:34 PM
A month-5 weeks isn't really that long.


I mean why cant they be available immediately


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celluloid hero
04-04-2015, 05:26 PM
I mean why cant they be available immediately


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Isn't this really asking why anything has a release date? Just announce something only when it's available? Because it's like an album release but only through an online store.

soright05
04-04-2015, 08:14 PM
I mean release them like the dmblive series...those are not announced they just show up and are available for download


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Bluewater34
04-04-2015, 08:40 PM
But the LTs are also physical releases. That takes longer.

willndmb
04-04-2015, 08:49 PM
But the LTs are also physical releases. That takes longer.

Is that what the wh told you when inquiring about the member package?

soright05
04-04-2015, 09:28 PM
But the LTs are also physical releases. That takes longer.


Thats fine just Release the digital download, the disc ship when they ship


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Mersh
04-05-2015, 05:47 AM
Obviously they want to boost pre-sales.

DMBTex10101
04-07-2015, 10:27 PM
I want to order these, but I can't bring myself to spend any more money on DMB. Happens every spring after I drop hundreds on tickets that I won't see any value from for another 3-4 months.

greykitkat36
04-08-2015, 01:05 AM
kaUKFcrL6Lw

That's a pretty cool jam that could have turned into something. personally, I was a big fan of It's All Gravy a lot, wished they went somwehre with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FBBsKvYvL0

August '02 roughly.

Fan#41
04-08-2015, 05:29 PM
I want to order these, but I can't bring myself to spend any more money on DMB. Happens every spring after I drop hundreds on tickets that I won't see any value from for another 3-4 months.

And you probably still won't see any value come show-time either.

Jayes
04-08-2015, 05:39 PM
Fan - hopeless this year :lol

MaLaKaS
04-08-2015, 10:11 PM
I want to order these, but I can't bring myself to spend any more money on DMB. Happens every spring after I drop hundreds on tickets that I won't see any value from for another 3-4 months.

Personally, I would rather have both of these solid A+ shows and cut down on the amount of 2015 DMB shows.

Mersh
04-09-2015, 04:44 AM
Did they raise the price of these things $100 since I bought them?

Jack
04-09-2015, 08:59 AM
Yea, not sure what dmbtex10101 is talking about.

Bluewater34
04-09-2015, 09:04 AM
I did the digital download for both and it cost me less than $24 after the discount. Hardly breaking the bank.

Jack
04-09-2015, 09:18 AM
I did the digital download for both and it cost me less than $24 after the discount. Hardly breaking the bank.

But what kind of value are you getting for these fantastic releases that we've been begging for that he WANTS to buy?

willndmb
04-09-2015, 02:17 PM
https://soundcloud.com/dave-matthews-band/one-sweet-world-live-trax-33-lupos-heartbreak-hotel
osw

Bluewater34
04-09-2015, 02:51 PM
Nice find. I'm not going to ruin my perception of it by listening on my phone, but I'll definitely check that out tonight. What does everyone think?

sean52692
04-09-2015, 03:16 PM
direct intro, about what you'd expect for a '95 OSW. Satisfactory.

Fan#41
04-09-2015, 03:23 PM
Carter sounds a bit soft in the mix. Minor criticism though. Can't wait for this.

Mersh
04-09-2015, 04:07 PM
direct intro, about what you'd expect for a '95 OSW. Satisfactory.

I'd say more OSWs have the intro than not in 95.

Bluewater34
04-09-2015, 07:51 PM
Carter sounds a bit soft in the mix. Minor criticism though. Can't wait for this.


I hear what you mean. The cymbals especially sound a little distant. They also sound like they're panned slightly to the right channel, which is a little odd. Great performance, though. Roi really sounds nice on this one.