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Jack
12-09-2015, 12:10 PM
http://davematthewsband.shop.musictoday.com/Product.aspx?cp=1_5575_8855&pc=DMDD137

Will flush this out in a bit.

Jayes
12-09-2015, 12:44 PM
This is pretty damn cool :upyours

MaLaKaS
12-09-2015, 01:44 PM
Yea, I'm gonna have to jump on this tonight after work. Is this show one of the better Fall 98 ones? I don't think I've ever listened to the aud for this one.

Mersh
12-09-2015, 03:46 PM
It is not my ideal Fall 98 release setlist wise, but I don't know that you can really go wrong with shows from that tour.

Bluewater34
12-09-2015, 03:54 PM
It is not my ideal Fall 98 release setlist wise, but I don't know that you can really go wrong with shows from that tour.


Pretty much. There are better Fall '98 shows, but literally every one of them is great. And the fact that they had only the SBD of this one and decided to release it is just a fantastic decision.

Mersh
12-09-2015, 07:03 PM
I am up to Crush. Nice release. Damn this tour was great.

MaLaKaS
12-10-2015, 12:21 AM
Nice JTR tease between Jimi Thing and Rhyme & Reason :upyours

MaLaKaS
12-10-2015, 12:57 AM
Just finished listening to the whole show. I really enjoyed it and it will get some more spins :)

somf4eva
12-10-2015, 05:49 AM
I could listen to fall 98 last stops all damn day

Bluewater34
12-10-2015, 08:51 AM
You mean if they release more '98 shows next summer, right? :lol :upyours

Yeah, I'm not sure why listening to a great Fall '98 show would make you want to go see DMB in '16.

.Gary.
12-10-2015, 10:30 AM
Bela and Tim are just money together.

batleon
12-10-2015, 11:17 AM
Dave botches the opening lyrics to Last Stop :lol

batleon
12-10-2015, 11:25 AM
Good Lord this Last Stop (despite Dave botching the opening lyrics) is just freaking sublime.

Just noticed they soundchecked #36 before this show. Imagine if they'd done #36 with Bela and Tim :jawdrop

JWood
12-10-2015, 11:28 AM
Nice JTR tease between Jimi Thing and Rhyme & Reason :upyours

or is it "Rain Down on Me"? :dunno

Jack
12-10-2015, 11:50 AM
So, rapunzel IS about a blowjob :lol

Tomacco
12-10-2015, 11:51 AM
Listening to this has been a treat today. They sound great and Bela, Tim and Butch give them a nice full sound. Forgot how much I enjoy this period of the band. It'll be interesting to listen to LT36 tomorrow and compare. I think modern Crush beats these 98 ones, but I would love if they would mellow out DDTW like this one here again. I would love them to play the Heartbet intro again. Adds a beautiful mellow moment in the show. One thing is certain, this makes me miss Roi a lot.

Bluewater34
12-10-2015, 11:59 AM
A current Heartbeat would be a noisy, screeching travesty.

Bluewater34
12-10-2015, 11:59 AM
or is it "Rain Down on Me"? :dunno


In '98 it would have been, yes.

batleon
12-10-2015, 12:06 PM
Yeah Heartbeat now wouldn't fit the current band's sound at all. Wish they'd kept playing it while Roi was still around. Last one was in '02 right? They could have had it for 6 more years and it still would have sounded good. Bummed I never caught it live.

batleon
12-10-2015, 12:07 PM
So, rapunzel IS about a blowjob :lol

I JUST caught that too, I almost missed it and then I was like, wait a minute, "get down on your knees and pray girl"? :lol

SomeDevil17
12-10-2015, 12:12 PM
A current Heartbeat would be a noisy, screeching travesty.

Seek Up # 2

Bluewater34
12-10-2015, 12:17 PM
Seek Up # 2

Yeah, I imagine Tim playing what would basically be Van Halen's Eruption, then Rashawn screeching for about five minutes.

Tomacco
12-10-2015, 12:45 PM
I dunno. They're still totally capable of having groovy mellow moments. Some of them last awhile too. Mercy's outro, Black and Blue Bird, If Only's outro... The special thing about Heartbeat was Roi soloing overtop, so whether it's noisy or not would depend on how Jeff handles it.

mjf
12-10-2015, 12:51 PM
Is it weird that Heartbeat is one of the highlights of the entire tour for me? Always has been. Seek Up > Rapunzel on 12/8 is my favorite thing the band ever did live though

mjf
12-10-2015, 12:59 PM
I am up to Crush. Nice release. Damn this tour was great.

Didn't you see a rediculous run of shows that Dec?

Always will be my favorite tour by em, particularly this time of year

Bluewater34
12-10-2015, 01:02 PM
Is it weird that Heartbeat is one of the highlights of the entire tour for me? Always has been. Seek Up > Rapunzel on 12/8 is my favorite thing the band ever did live though


Weird? No, not at all. It's a jazzy showcase for Roi and Butch that was frequently one of the prettiest, most unpredictable and most fun things they played on any given night.

Bluewater34
12-10-2015, 01:03 PM
Man, I love it when they really nail the Last Stop transition and outro. I can't believe this just came out of nowhere like this.

Mersh
12-10-2015, 01:20 PM
Didn't you see a rediculous run of shows that Dec? Always will be my favorite tour by em, particularly this time of year yeah. Was lucky to catch a bunch.

Bluewater34
12-10-2015, 01:36 PM
Damn, Bela is too low for most of LIOG outside of his solo. Still, I absolutely love a Bela solo on this song.

Mersh
12-10-2015, 01:51 PM
They lowered and echoed the shit out of Boyd on graves and he is still skreetacular.

Bluewater34
12-10-2015, 01:54 PM
They lowered and echoed the shit out of Boyd on graves and he is still skreetacular.

Yeah, this is not his best show.

Overall, I have to say that I'm impressed with the sound on this one, given that it's a SBD mix straight to two track and they had so many people on stage.

greykitkat36
12-10-2015, 01:59 PM
Is it weird that Heartbeat is one of the highlights of the entire tour for me? Always has been. Seek Up > Rapunzel on 12/8 is my favorite thing the band ever did live though

No way man, heartbeat is one of best musical pieces this band has ever done imo. It's beautiful and so tasteful--clearly a style the band could never pull off today. Heartbeat from LS was one of the major things that got me obsessed with DMB back in '00 when my major fandom began. I think I watched heartbeat from LS literally one hundred times.

Bluewater34
12-10-2015, 02:04 PM
No way man, heartbeat is one of best musical pieces this band has ever done imo. It's beautiful and so tasteful--clearly a style the band could never pull off today. Heartbeat from LS was one of the major things that got me obsessed with DMB back in '00 when my major fandom began. I think I watched heartbeat from LS literally one hundred times.

Yeah, the LS Heartbeat is such a great performance. There's something about that one that just feels sort of quintessentially peak DMB to me (which, for me is '98-'00).

terrapin24
12-10-2015, 02:19 PM
Really happy to have anorther Fall 98 release, especially so close to Christmas.

greykitkat36
12-10-2015, 02:27 PM
Yeah, the LS Heartbeat is such a great performance. There's something about that one that just feels sort of quintessentially peak DMB to me (which, for me is '98-'00).

Yup. As great as '94-'97 was with its emotion, passion and energy, it was still very loose and unmatured. Late '98-'00 the band got really full, tight and polished. It was a huge step imo of them really reaching that professional sound that was kind of missing in the earlier years. Having Tim and Butch certainly helped to fill out the sound--but it was more than that. It was the band maturing in songwriting, playing and technical skill. Not to mention Dave's voice improved and I think Roi did as well. Yes the band played at slower tempos, but with such a tightness and tastefulness. Clearly it was a new era and it began with this fall '98 tour imo.

batleon
12-10-2015, 03:06 PM
Yeah, listening to the Graves now and... If there's one bad thing to say about '98 it's that Boyd was not up to the task.

Nope best year ever still has to be either 1995 or 2000 IMO.

batleon
12-10-2015, 03:12 PM
Ah and then Bela just swoops in and takes this away. Here's to having another released Graves with Bela :upyours

.Gary.
12-10-2015, 03:40 PM
Ah and then Bela just swoops in and takes this away. Here's to having another released Graves with Bela :upyours

My favorite LIOG with Bela is 12.7.98

kylebond13
12-10-2015, 05:37 PM
its crazy that alpine gets the hard copy release and this gem only digital.

I miss the chet

DIDO36
12-10-2015, 05:56 PM
its crazy that alpine gets the hard copy release and this gem only digital.

I miss the chet

Yeah, I wish this show was the DVD instead of the alpine show.

greykitkat36
12-11-2015, 02:04 AM
Just finished listening to this release. It's fantastic. Clearly not the best '98 show but still very cool to have it, and everyone sounds great (minus Boyd). We might now know why more '98 didn't see the light of day in the live trax series. Man he's brutal throughout. Highlights of the show for me is easily Last Stop and Jimi. LIOG would be up there as well but Boyd totally destroys it by being brutally out of tune. Man I forgot how bad he was back even in 98. There are better LIOG with Bela. But overal, great show glad I bought it and here's to more good ones :upyours

somf4eva
12-11-2015, 08:55 AM
I'm up to LIOG. Bela smokes it

cryfreedom09
12-11-2015, 10:41 AM
I'm up to LIOG. Bela smokes it


Goose bumps for sure on that one.

batleon
12-11-2015, 11:03 AM
Yeah all the hype about '98 and everyone forgets that Boyd was terrible that year over all. Even the best years have their downsides...

Bluewater34
12-11-2015, 11:47 AM
I'm up to LIOG. Bela smokes it


Yeah, for as badly as Boyd slaughters his solo on this one, I'm still calling it a net win because Bela is just so damn good.

batleon
12-11-2015, 12:54 PM
Yeah, for as badly as Boyd slaughters his solo on this one, I'm still calling it a net win because Bela is just so damn good.

this.

bsan83
12-11-2015, 01:04 PM
The Reprise is so freaking gorgeous on this.

Bluewater34
12-11-2015, 01:30 PM
The Reprise is so freaking gorgeous on this.

Yeah, I think Last Stop wins best performance for this one.

greykitkat36
12-11-2015, 02:17 PM
Yup of all Last stops we have released, the 98 ones are the best. I'm not sure last stop ever got any better than it was then. Quick and short peak it had. The '03 and '10 versions are cool but I'm not sure they really compare.

somf4eva
12-11-2015, 03:21 PM
Yup of all Last stops we have released, the 98 ones are the best. I'm not sure last stop ever got any better than it was then. Quick and short peak it had. The '03 and '10 versions are cool but I'm not sure they really compare.

It's not even close.

mrpeters
12-11-2015, 03:45 PM
I agree, not even close. Last Stop would be one of the songs I would say sounded better back then. Great stuff.

Bluewater34
12-11-2015, 03:58 PM
It's not even close.


No, it isn't. There are good ones from '99 and '03, but they don't touch Fall '98.

mjf
12-11-2015, 05:08 PM
Okay finally am listening to this with my nice headphones. I honestly fuckin love how raw this is. I wasn't expecting to like the "mix" but it sounds great on my setup atleast

Yeah, LS Reprise is out of this fucking world. It really is Tim/Roi/Carter/Bela at their very best IMO, both studio and live. And of course, Boyd at his very worst in alot of versions :lol but not this one luckily.

This release has me convinced that part of Boyd's problem that year (or what made the problem worse I should say since the problem was Boyd) is the violin he chose. Not sure if it is just me, but that electric violin he was using sounds like fucking dog shit to my ears... always has. Listening to this raw release and the 10/29 ALD really highlights it. My honest guess is that for LT1 they might have tinkered with his sound for the release. Whenever I hear raw feeds of it, it sounds so much worse than it does on LT1... like that god awful Last Stop from Germany in '99.

BrokenThings
12-11-2015, 05:31 PM
So overall how is the quality? I am downloading now...

mjf
12-11-2015, 06:29 PM
So overall how is the quality? I am downloading now...

I think it's absolutely great man, but most of what I listen to is bootlegs/concerts. It's just a solid raw SBD feed. Probably the same feed they played over the speakers at the show.

It's not at all flat like 10/24/96 is IMO. Might be biased since its my favorite tour and I'm so excited still but I give it a solid B+ (with LT1 an A+)

Jayes
12-11-2015, 06:54 PM
Okay finally am listening to this with my nice headphones. I honestly fuckin love how raw this is. I wasn't expecting to like the "mix" but it sounds great on my setup atleast Yeah, LS Reprise is out of this fucking world. It really is Tim/Roi/Carter/Bela at their very best IMO, both studio and live. And of course, Boyd at his very worst in alot of versions :lol but not this one luckily. This release has me convinced that part of Boyd's problem that year (or what made the problem worse I should say since the problem was Boyd) is the violin he chose. Not sure if it is just me, but that electric violin he was using sounds like fucking dog shit to my ears... always has. Listening to this raw release and the 10/29 ALD really highlights it. My honest guess is that for LT1 they might have tinkered with his sound for the release. Whenever I hear raw feeds of it, it sounds so much worse than it does on LT1... like that god awful Last Stop from Germany in '99.

Yeah Ive seen a few videos where Boyd is legitimately a half step off the pitch for the Last Stop reprise. And Dave is smiling. Which leads me to believe Dave doesnt have any Boyd in his ears.

mjf
12-11-2015, 07:03 PM
Yeah Ive seen a few videos where Boyd is legitimately a half step off the pitch for the Last Stop reprise. And Dave is smiling. Which leads me to believe Dave doesnt have any Boyd in his ears.

You gotta be talking about this one, right?

q4oAste2-cE

:lol I can't watch it and not legit bust out laughing

I'm up to Two Step on this release with my headphones and Boyd hasn't ruined anything yet

Jayes
12-11-2015, 08:13 PM
That is one of them, yes :lol the other is much darker. Only slightly better video quality than the LIC webcast

chad
12-11-2015, 09:36 PM
first dmblive I've actually paid for, and didn't hesitate. longtime favorite and one of the best shows I've seen.

gonna get knee deep in some bourbon and check this out.

ggies
12-11-2015, 09:48 PM
So I haven't bought any shows in over year and I'm planning on either getting Live Trax Vol. 34 - June 24, 1999 or this one after Christmas. Each year has its own sound, but since they're so close together, which one should I get first?

willndmb
12-11-2015, 09:49 PM
Yup of all Last stops we have released, the 98 ones are the best. I'm not sure last stop ever got any better than it was then. Quick and short peak it had. The '03 and '10 versions are cool but I'm not sure they really compare.

It's not even close.

I agree, not even close. Last Stop would be one of the songs I would say sounded better back then. Great stuff.

No, it isn't. There are good ones from '99 and '03, but they don't touch Fall '98.

Agreed, 98 was by far the best for last stop

chad
12-11-2015, 09:53 PM
that fucking last stop.

Jack
12-11-2015, 09:53 PM
So I haven't bought any shows in over year and I'm planning on either getting Live Trax Vol. 34 - June 24, 1999 or this one after Christmas. Each year has its own sound, but since they're so close together, which one should I get first?

This.

ggies
12-11-2015, 10:00 PM
This.

Thanks :upyours

greykitkat36
12-11-2015, 10:02 PM
You gotta be talking about this one, right?


I'm up to Two Step on this release with my headphones and Boyd hasn't ruined anything yet

Did you not hear LIOG or Crush? Horrible. No joke, I think Boyd's LIOG solo on this show might be one of the worst ones I've heard him do, and that includes the solos last year where he dropped his bow during the middle of them.

greykitkat36
12-11-2015, 10:05 PM
As far as sound quality goes, it's def. better than what you'd expect a raw two track SBD feed to sound like. It's pretty clear and crisp with nice delay/Reverb on Carter's drums and Dave's vocals. It's clearly not "well mixed" like the Live Trax shows or major releases, but it's still pretty damn good. Only complaints is that Boyd is really reverb'd out and distant (which probably was a good choice on this show), and sometimes Tim, Butch and Bela get lost in the mix but otherwise it's obviously a HUGE upgrade to the AUD source that was out there, no doubt. Carter's drums are very weak in Last Stop (sound wise), but get stronger as the show moves on, which proves it wasn't tweaked..the only tweaking you hear is what the guys running the soundboard did that night as the show went on (raising levels when people solo, fixing EQ etc).

typsitch
12-11-2015, 10:13 PM
fucking jesus 98 was a long time ago. feels.

bsan83
12-11-2015, 10:17 PM
No, it isn't. There are good ones from '99 and '03, but they don't touch Fall '98.

The '10 ones are good. Not as good the run with Tim and Bela, but probably the second best stretch for that song.

Basically, Boyd's part is the Reprise is fucking horrible without Tim.

chad
12-11-2015, 10:22 PM
I'd pay good money at this point to see my 20 year old schmuck self dancing around at this show.

chad
12-11-2015, 10:51 PM
just a murderous bela jam on LIOG

Bluewater34
12-11-2015, 11:33 PM
first dmblive I've actually paid for, and didn't hesitate. longtime favorite and one of the best shows I've seen.

gonna get knee deep in some bourbon and check this out.


So you do have others, right? Because there are some real classics in this series.

So I haven't bought any shows in over year and I'm planning on either getting Live Trax Vol. 34 - June 24, 1999 or this one after Christmas. Each year has its own sound, but since they're so close together, which one should I get first?


Both of them are really great releases, and the difference between Fall '98 and Summer '99 in sound is pretty pronounced. I'd probably say this one first, but both of them are extremely worth owning.

Bluewater34
12-11-2015, 11:37 PM
Oh god, Boyd on this Rhyme... Just awful.

chad
12-11-2015, 11:40 PM
So you do have others, right? Because there are some real classics in this series.



A few have fallen on to my hard drive miraculously, yes. This show holds some personal significance so it was pretty much a must buy.

Bluewater34
12-11-2015, 11:53 PM
A few have fallen on to my hard drive miraculously, yes. This show holds some personal significance so it was pretty much a must buy.


Understood. Just wanted to make sure you aren't one of those people who have been slow to pick up on this series.

chad
12-11-2015, 11:56 PM
nah, I've been out of touch for awhile but still peek in on the releases now and then. There's definitely been some good shit trickling out.

twostep2888
12-12-2015, 12:11 AM
not Boyd's finest hour, but the rest of the band + Béla sound great, love this LIOG

mjf
12-12-2015, 12:13 AM
Did you not hear LIOG or Crush? Horrible. No joke, I think Boyd's LIOG solo on this show might be one of the worst ones I've heard him do, and that includes the solos last year where he dropped his bow during the middle of them.

Not yet, got up to Two Step tonight. Gonna finish the rest tomorrow

Two Step was every bit as good as I remembered from the AUD back in the day. The first two and a half minutes pretty much sums up pretty well what I miss about the old band versus 2015 DMB

Man why can't 2015 DMB sound like this goddamnt? :lol

Bluewater34
12-12-2015, 12:28 AM
Man why can't 2015 DMB sound like this goddamnt? :lol

Well, a lot of reasons, including at least three albums worth of largely sub-par songs, plus two major personnel subtractions and one addition from this tour to today, and none of those changes have been for the better. :boohoo

mjf
12-12-2015, 12:44 AM
Well, a lot of reasons, including at least three albums worth of largely sub-par songs, plus two major personnel subtractions and one addition from this tour to today, and none of those changes have been for the better. :boohoo

I know I know I know :lol it's just too bad. I only downloaded the first two tracks from the new Alpine release... Just have no interest whatsoever in the rest compared to this release unfortantely

Wildcats82
12-12-2015, 01:21 AM
Listening to shows from this tour piss me off because I didn't get to see them until 2001 :(

Also my brother got to see them at the show at Rupp arena on 11/20/98 but I didn't have my drivers license yet so I didn't have a way to get to Lexington

greykitkat36
12-12-2015, 03:03 AM
Not yet, got up to Two Step lol

Oh you must not be listening in order then, cause Two Step closes the set.

willndmb
12-12-2015, 08:02 AM
just a murderous bela jam on LIOG

Truth right there
Check out the video on youtube, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aRE3L1JHbTc
near the end of belas solo (11:23) the cam zooms out and you can see the fans behind carter jumping around and stuff, pretty cool moment. Carter also breaks a stick and throws it, I didn't hear him miss a beat.

Could have sworn I had this show on video too but can't find it. Maybe jay has the whole thing but if he did I would have guessed he upped it by now.

soups
12-12-2015, 09:14 AM
Listening to shows from this tour piss me off because I didn't get to see them until 2001 :(

Also my brother got to see them at the show at Rupp arena on 11/20/98 but I didn't have my drivers license yet so I didn't have a way to get to Lexington

I was there and at Cincy the following night.

bsan83
12-12-2015, 09:56 AM
As bad as Dave flubs the beginning of Last Stop, man does he sound great on the choruses.

mjf
12-12-2015, 10:09 AM
Oh you must not be listening in order then, cause Two Step closes the set.

bingo :lol thanks. when I'm listening to a show for the first time I usually ignore the tracklist to kinda keep it a surprise which song is next.... I was so confused when Dave said goodnight to the crowd after Two Step in the middle of the set haha

JimBeam41
12-12-2015, 10:47 AM
just a murderous bela jam on LIOG

The LIOG jam with Bela puts a big smile on my face and reminds me why I fell in love with this band.

Poth Ead
12-12-2015, 12:19 PM
Love this release.

Such a great Last Stop opener.

LIOG is the dmb Magic I remember from this tour most.

I'm not a huge Two Step fan the way it's performed live now but this performance really grabs your attention and sucks you in.

Also I love the raw 2 track mix. You can fuckin blast it and not lose much in the way of dynamics.

:smoke

mjf
12-12-2015, 12:30 PM
Rhyme is so fucking good despite Boyd. Always have loved Tim's basic little slide fills on it. Dave really pours himself into this version

Love this release.

Such a great Last Stop opener.

LIOG is the dmb Magic I remember from this tour most.

I'm not a huge Two Step fan the way it's performed live now but this performance really grabs your attention and sucks you in.

Also I love the raw 2 track mix. You can fuckin blast it and not lose much in the way of dynamics.

:smoke

Seriously I love this mix too, it's just a nice contrast to LiC and LT1. I honestly felt the same way about 2/19/96... Luther College is probably my favorife mix they've done, but it was nice having 2/19 as well which was a little more raw

This mix just makes me feel like I'm at the show

Poth Ead
12-12-2015, 12:35 PM
Rhyme is so fucking good despite Boyd. Always have loved Tim's basic little slide fills on it. Dave really pours himself into this version



Seriously I love this mix too, it's just a nice contrast to LiC and LT1. I honestly felt the same way about 2/19/96... Luther College is probably my favorife mix they've done, but it was nice having 2/19 as well which was a little more raw

This mix just makes me feel like I'm at the show

I have to pay attention to that R&R. Honestly, I skipped it (and Satellite), but I'll go back to them today :upyours

I was on a major DMB hiatus until I saw this drop on here (thanks, Jacky kisses)

Vincent
12-12-2015, 02:22 PM
The completist in me ended with LT 35. Bought this one immediately. It's a nice bookend to LT1. More Bela is always a good thing.

Sound quality is way better than expected from a two track master.

sean52692
12-12-2015, 06:25 PM
This is so great, Last Stop with the prelude has always been one of my favorite beginnings to a show. Crazy happy to have this released. Heartbeat :segue PNP :segue Rapunzel is a great one.

I'm on Say Bye right now, can't wait to get to R&R and Two Step.

The Godfather
12-12-2015, 07:29 PM
Rhyme & Reason has always been an underrated song. It owns man. Needs more pub.

I love Boyd and Leroi in this one. They both could be off a show and the song will still sound great.

Jayes
12-12-2015, 07:50 PM
I love Boyd and Leroi in this one. They both could be off a show and the song will still sound great.

?

Tambourine Man
12-12-2015, 08:34 PM
Crash Into Me with Tim and Bela is quite beautiful. I wish Bela was a little louder but still awesome to have. So smooth even with all Tim's noises. This is the first release I've purchased in maybe 10 years. Was worth it.

mjf
12-12-2015, 09:31 PM
Rhyme & Reason has always been an underrated song. It owns man. Needs more pub.

I love Boyd and Leroi in this one. They both could be off a show and the song will still sound great.

Never thought Dave was that great of a lyricist, but it's definitely some of Dave's best lyrics IMO (and music of course). "The needle, make my great escape".... Then the way the music cuts back except for Roi/Boyd doing that kinda heartbeat pulse- the music matches the picture Dave paints of the person doing a shot and slowly fading away until his "body falls cold" and he sees heaven. I mean that right there is fuckin amazing how the music follows the picture the lyrics paint so damn perfectly

And yeah there's nothing to even say about the music, it's one of my favorite riffs Dave has plus a classic example of how much of an impact Roi could have on melody that all the members talked about when he died. Classic example of how Tim could add so fuckin much to the songs as well- that little slide riff he adds on the verses is simple but I think adds so much to the song... Just like his little wah wah distorted fills on DDTW. Both are simple, but I miss them tremendously when Tim isn't around. Every single time I hear Dave singing that chorus in my head, I hear Tim's slide guitar underneath it

Rhyme is not only Dave's somgwriting at his best- it's a prime example of the band's contributions and how all six of them (counting Tim, he's intregal the studio IMO) could come together

soright05
12-12-2015, 09:34 PM
This graves smokes

.Gary.
12-13-2015, 11:19 AM
LIOG from Winter 98 was the pinnacle for me.

JustinC
12-13-2015, 11:31 AM
Rhyme & Reason has always been an underrated song. It owns man. Needs more pub.


Top 5 DMB song for me

The Godfather
12-13-2015, 12:34 PM
?

What I meant was is that this song is so good that both Boyd and Leroi could have been "off" on the song and it would still sound good.

Jayes
12-13-2015, 01:20 PM
Ah

priceofacoke910
12-13-2015, 01:39 PM
Can't wait to listen to this!

typsitch
12-13-2015, 06:47 PM
Rhyme & Reason has always been an underrated song. It owns man. Needs more pub.

I love Boyd and Leroi in this one. They both could be off a show and the song will still sound great.

R&R is easily top-5 DMB

kylebond13
12-13-2015, 08:08 PM
this is the band I love

tim's involvement in 98 is how I wish things were nowadays. so subtle but added so much

even enjoying the high notes dave hits in stay outro

what a release

please come back to us dmb

bsan83
12-13-2015, 08:39 PM
I'd call many of Tim's winter '98 additions anything but subtle. :lol

roshea999
12-13-2015, 08:49 PM
The absence of trumpet is really nice.

MaLaKaS
12-13-2015, 09:43 PM
This is a wonderful release that really brings you back to the golden days. Such a totally different band.

Jack
12-13-2015, 10:16 PM
I'd call many of Tim's winter '98 additions anything but subtle. :lol

So did carter :nod

MaLaKaS
12-13-2015, 10:31 PM
So did carter :nod


:lol :upyours

LIOGwhat
12-13-2015, 10:39 PM
So did carter :nod

don't know the backstory on this comment...was carter the one who wanted Tim off the boat after this tour?

dmb1981
12-13-2015, 11:38 PM
The absence of trumpet is really nice.

God I hate rashawn. I really can't stand the trumpet. Especially his. It's not DMB. THIS release is DMB. And Butch. Need Butch back bad.

mjf
12-13-2015, 11:43 PM
don't know the backstory on this comment...was carter the one who wanted Tim off the boat after this tour?

I think I've read a rumor of that, I'd love for the old heads to clear it up. It never made sense to me though, Tim was extremely active in his solo thing then and IMO based on everything I've read wouldn't have joined the band anyway

Jayes
12-13-2015, 11:47 PM
Was he worried about Tim joining the band? Or just sick of his additions and wanted to go back to the 5 of em?

I'm just curious, I've heard nothing of this.

Bluewater34
12-14-2015, 12:02 AM
I remember hearing that Carter was not a fan of some of Tim's less restrained soloing on the '98 tour and that was part of/the entirety of the reason that he didn't play with them for so many years after that. I can not, however, remember the source of that report or speak to its reliability.

Tambourine Man
12-14-2015, 01:41 AM
The combination of Tim, Bela, and Butch is sublime. I really hope Butch comes back and Rashawn leaves.

Jayes
12-14-2015, 08:43 AM
The combination of Tim, Bela, and Butch is sublime. I really hope Butch comes back and Rashawn leaves.

:upyours

Man, remember when everybody was hating on Butch? :lol Now he's lookin' pretty good. I don't think he could mutilate OSW intro if he tried.

.Gary.
12-14-2015, 09:28 AM
Listened to a more recent DMB show over the weekend to compare it to this and it's just not fair.

dmb1981
12-14-2015, 11:15 AM
Listened to a more recent DMB show over the weekend to compare it to this and it's just not fair.

Night and Day. They really do sound awful now compared to this stuff. Anything from '98-2004 is perfection.

.Gary.
12-14-2015, 12:51 PM
Night and Day. They really do sound awful now compared to this stuff. Anything from '98-2004 is perfection.

Dave isn't forcing screams, no squealing from Rashawn, Roi is smooth as fuck, Carter is Carter, Fonz is doing his thing.

And then there's Boyd.

roshea999
12-14-2015, 01:12 PM
Carter booted Tim AND lillywhite and everyone hates Rashawn :lol

DMBCLSTJ
12-14-2015, 01:20 PM
Carter booted Tim AND lillywhite and everyone hates Rashawn :lol

Facts?

roshea999
12-14-2015, 02:17 PM
It was a joke

Jack
12-14-2015, 02:33 PM
It was a joke

Behind every joke...

Mersh
12-14-2015, 02:42 PM
Behind every joke... indeed

Mersh
12-14-2015, 02:42 PM
I will say, for fall 98, Tim is pretty restrained on this show.

roshea999
12-14-2015, 02:55 PM
Yes on both posts up there.

I can see how people would be turned off by Tim in 98, but I like it. Great tour.

Josh.0
12-14-2015, 03:40 PM
Carter really could be such a dick back in the day, couldn't he?

Actually, it seems sometimes he still can be.

Josh.0
12-14-2015, 03:40 PM
Downloading this thing at a Starbucks now and it's taking FOREVER.

Jayes
12-14-2015, 03:44 PM
Carter really could be such a dick back in the day, couldn't he? Actually, it seems sometimes he still can be.

Wont take 5 minutes to come out and meet literally his biggest fans? One of which was featured in a magazine for his replica kit and the other hot on his heels in various capacities? :wtf it's actually starting to bother me, and I know it's bothering them, too.

Josh.0
12-14-2015, 03:53 PM
Wont take 5 minutes to come out and meet literally his biggest fans? One of which was featured in a magazine for his replica kit and the other hot on his heels in various capacities? :wtf it's actually starting to bother me, and I know it's bothering them, too.

That was exactly what I had in mind. And the time that weird dude walked on stage in Charlottesville, Carter seemed FURIOUS. I mean, I get being upset, but throwing his sticks and shit? Fans jump on stage at shows all the time - the rest of the band kept their cool and he lost his shit.

I've also heard stories about how pissed he gets at people requesting shit or pestering the band for certain songs. Just seems like a bit of a hot head. If he wasn't so talented I don't think people would love him as much as they do.

batleon
12-14-2015, 03:54 PM
Initially I thought: Not ANOTHER ’95 show. I am dying for something from ’98, ’99, ’02, or ‘04
- The last ’04 show was released in 2007, eight years and 50ish releases ago
- The last ’98 and full band ’02 shows were released in 2004, almost ELEVEN years and 60ish releases ago
- The last full band ’99 show was LISTENER SUPPORTED, a mind-blowingly long gap of SIXTEEN YEARS and over SEVENTY RELEASES AGO

We need these years desperately.

Upon further thought though:
- It’s nice to see them rounding out a shorter show with filler from the same two night stand. I feel like LT30 released them from the restrictions they set for themselves and now they’re being more creative.
- And what’s this? A Soundcheck? GTFO
- Bundling this with the DMBlive (which I do want because it’s acoustic and a unique release) is pretty damn clever and makes me want to pull the trigger because I WANT them to do stuff like this more often


tl:dr version:
Well played Cap$haw you’ve convinced me to fork over cash for yet another ’95 LT.
Just make it something from those other years I mentioned next time, OK?

I posted this in the LT33 thread early this year shortly after that release was announced. Thanks for listening DMB :upyours

(Now get us the 2002 and 2004 shows next year, OK?)

BeaufordBuddy
12-14-2015, 04:10 PM
don't know the backstory on this comment...was carter the one who wanted Tim off the boat after this tour?

That's the theory. I doubt there's any proof though to back it up.

Mersh
12-14-2015, 04:15 PM
dude is a drummer...they're nuts

BeaufordBuddy
12-14-2015, 04:19 PM
Wont take 5 minutes to come out and meet literally his biggest fans? One of which was featured in a magazine for his replica kit and the other hot on his heels in various capacities? :wtf it's actually starting to bother me, and I know it's bothering them, too.

Yep. :\

I try not to get a sense of entitlement or anything about it. There's times when I tell myself that he doesn't owe me anything but other times where I'm like what's the big fucking deal with meeting someone who has followed and studied you for so long?

BeaufordBuddy
12-14-2015, 04:21 PM
dude is a drummer...they're nuts

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/4d/e8/0f4de8aba028e05bc5b543252131e402.jpg

.Gary.
12-14-2015, 04:26 PM
I will say, for fall 98, Tim is pretty restrained on this show.

True, he's not channeling space aliens.

Bluewater34
12-14-2015, 04:41 PM
:upyours

Man, remember when everybody was hating on Butch? :lol Now he's lookin' pretty good. I don't think he could mutilate OSW intro if he tried.


Rashawn on Seek Up vs. Butch on Seek Up.

Carter booted Tim AND lillywhite and everyone hates Rashawn :lol


Honestly, there are definitely times from fall '98 where I really hate what Tim was doing. If that old story is true, I can see where he was coming from.

Plus Carter never made me want to stop listening to a song.

Mersh
12-14-2015, 04:42 PM
This release got me to go back to LT 1 and on stuff like heartbeat intro he is jarring.

Mersh
12-14-2015, 04:44 PM
Rashawn in just about everything. Checked out some of the new LT. Was great to hear stone minus Ross. Although it'd be nice if the crowd knew that song has other words, heh.

dmb1981
12-14-2015, 05:35 PM
Carter booted Tim AND lillywhite and everyone hates Rashawn :lol

that's pretty funny based on the facts we have. the said... rashawn is the WORST. he's completely ruining dmb for me. i can't listen to that crap anymore. it's like nails on a chalkboard.

soright05
12-14-2015, 06:03 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/4d/e8/0f4de8aba028e05bc5b543252131e402.jpg


:lol

Jayes
12-14-2015, 06:16 PM
Rashawn on Seek Up vs. Butch on Seek Up. Honestly, there are definitely times from fall '98 where I really hate what Tim was doing. If that old story is true, I can see where he was coming from. Plus Carter never made me want to stop listening to a song.

I enjoy Butch on Seek Up.

And if Im being honest, I absolutely love LIC, but I always thought Tim's Graves solo on it was inappropriate. Even my dad was like "read the room, dude." :lol

mjf
12-14-2015, 07:18 PM
I'm a Tim fanboy, I honestly like stuff like Heartbeat :dunno Xmas song from LiC is one of my alltime favorite performances

I know the oldheads know way better than me, but I'm still shocked at the rumor. Not that Carter didn't like what he was doing, but that Tim guesting was even considered to be a permanent thing. My impression always was the tour was a one off. Up until 2008, Tim was touring like a fuckin madman and had a pretty loyal (granted- small) following. Mostly year round with very few months off.

Aparker507
12-14-2015, 07:30 PM
Wont take 5 minutes to come out and meet literally his biggest fans? One of which was featured in a magazine for his replica kit and the other hot on his heels in various capacities? :wtf it's actually starting to bother me, and I know it's bothering them, too.
I am kinda to the point of wtf now too. Maybe he thinks we're weird or something. He has to know about Justin and I. I know he knows about Justin pretty much. I think Justin told me that anyway.

Henry gets Justin and u backstage at every show now, we've sat on his kit multiple times. Justin takes care of the dmb carter road page. I have Carter's kit replicated and even got a few drum items for him that Henry was wanting. Got him a magazine my kit was featured in and Henry said he gave it to Carter but hadn't had time to follow up.

Yet the guy still can't come out and just say hi. I definitely don't get it, but like mentioned before, he doesn't owe us anything.

Dave's bus driver Jerry Fitzpatrick came to a Dave Matthews Tribute Band show I played in Little Rock. He came and talked to me for a while and was surprised I haven't met Carter. He said he's very private and has a crazy schedule most shows.

I also know Carter still hasn't met his flooded studios jersey designer either. Henry was gonna try to get that setup but I think it fell through.

I hate ever wanting to ask Henry to meet him as he's swamped, but surely eventually it'll happen for us 2.

Rant over lol

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Bluewater34
12-14-2015, 07:53 PM
I know the oldheads know way better than me, but I'm still shocked at the rumor. Not that Carter didn't like what he was doing, but that Tim guesting was even considered to be a permanent thing. My impression always was the tour was a one off. Up until 2008, Tim was touring like a fuckin madman and had a pretty loyal (granted- small) following. Mostly year round with very few months off.


I don't think it was the idea that he'd be permanent, just that Carter didn't like some of what he was doing and that's why it took so long for him to play with the band again in any capacity. Like I said, though, as far as I can remember these are just rumors.

BeaufordBuddy
12-14-2015, 07:56 PM
I also know Carter still hasn't met his flooded studios jersey designer either. Henry was gonna try to get that setup but I think it fell through.

But yet Carter will have on his tour bus some dude who works for the company that makes the Bluetooth headphones the band uses when they're working out.

This guy started a Periscope feed from Carter's bus as they were pulling into The Gorge this year. He had other Periscope feeds from side stage throughout one of the shows.

I think we're in the wrong line of work if we're looking to chill with Carter on his bus. We gotta get into the overpriced headphones business apparently.

roshea999
12-14-2015, 07:57 PM
He wasn't around for the lillywhite sessions either, and he had been there for the first 3.

Aparker507
12-14-2015, 08:19 PM
But yet Carter will have on his tour bus some dude who works for the company that makes the Bluetooth headphones the band uses when they're working out.

This guy started a Periscope feed from Carter's bus as they were pulling into The Gorge this year. He had other Periscope feeds from side stage throughout one of the shows.

I think we're in the wrong line of work if we're looking to chill with Carter on his bus. We gotta get into the overpriced headphones business apparently.
It really just makes you wonder. We've spent years dedicating a lot of stuff to the guy. I just want to send a personal thank you.

I guess I do have a voicemail from him and he said he heard about my kit. The usual keep practicing/take my place thing which I think is a safe response to most of the fans he encounters.

Just wtf though lol.

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Jack
12-14-2015, 08:25 PM
I enjoy Butch on Seek Up.

And if Im being honest, I absolutely love LIC, but I always thought Tim's Graves solo on it was inappropriate. Even my dad was like "read the room, dude." :lol

I don't know, that little thing he does at the end of his liC liog solo is one of my favorite bits he's done.

roshea999
12-14-2015, 08:30 PM
ImHhdDMADgQ

i wish he still dressed like that

Jack
12-14-2015, 08:32 PM
I know the oldheads know way better than me, but I'm still shocked at the rumor. Not that Carter didn't like what he was doing, but that Tim guesting was even considered to be a permanent thing. My impression always was the tour was a one off. Up until 2008, Tim was touring like a fuckin madman and had a pretty loyal (granted- small) following. Mostly year round with very few months off.

His guesting wasn't considered to be permanent that I ever heard. :dunno

Tomacco
12-14-2015, 08:33 PM
Surprised by all the Carter trash-talk. Being up close, it seems like he really does care about the fans. He makes very deliberate choices on who to throw some of his drumsticks to (kids, people at milestone shows, older people), and sometimes spends like 10 minutes throwing sticks. I ran into him behind the venue once before a show and shook his hand, and he seemed happy to do so. I've also seen him wave to fans from the bus as they leave the venue. Of anyone, he never seemed like a bad guy to the fans. I've also met Rashawn and Boyd, both who were happy to take a photo and have a quick chat. Maybe they've all change a bit over time though. For every 5 decent fans you get, there's probably one yelling at them to play specific songs and handing them hand-written setlists.

Jack
12-14-2015, 08:39 PM
ImHhdDMADgQ

i wish he still dressed like that

Yea, that's kickass to me. That part at the end where dave is pointing is my jam. And those platforms tim was wearing. You be you bro.

Aparker507
12-14-2015, 08:40 PM
Surprised by all the Carter trash-talk. Being up close, it seems like he really does care about the fans. He makes very deliberate choices on who to throw some of his drumsticks to (kids, people at milestone shows, older people), and sometimes spends like 10 minutes throwing sticks. I ran into him behind the venue once before a show and shook his hand, and he seemed happy to do so. I've also seen him wave to fans from the bus as they leave the venue. Of anyone, he never seemed like a bad guy to the fans. I've also met Rashawn and Boyd, both who were happy to take a photo and have a quick chat. Maybe they've all change a bit over time though. For every 5 decent fans you get, there's probably one yelling at them to play specific songs and handing them hand-written setlists.
Oh hes definitely probably the nicest of the guys you meet but he can definitely be in your face too. I understand that. There was a video on YouTube of him basically telling a fan off that kept on about something while meeting him.

Justin and I would never be like that. Just funny how we're always backstage yet can't seem to meet the guy. Not really bitter even though I'm sure it comes off that way, just hope it happens eventually. Henry half the time I don't think sees him even until they go on stage.

Sorry to derail this thread lol

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Jack
12-14-2015, 08:41 PM
Surprised by all the Carter trash-talk. Being up close, it seems like he really does care about the fans. He makes very deliberate choices on who to throw some of his drumsticks to (kids, people at milestone shows, older people), and sometimes spends like 10 minutes throwing sticks. I ran into him behind the venue once before a show and shook his hand, and he seemed happy to do so. I've also seen him wave to fans from the bus as they leave the venue. Of anyone, he never seemed like a bad guy to the fans. I've also met Rashawn and Boyd, both who were happy to take a photo and have a quick chat. Maybe they've all change a bit over time though. For every 5 decent fans you get, there's probably one yelling at them to play specific songs and handing them hand-written setlists.

Did you shake his hand, or his glove? Honest question.

And everyone loves carter, there is no 'trash talk.'

Jayes
12-14-2015, 08:55 PM
I'm not saying that if Carter shit in my toilet I wouldn't flush for a few months, but I'd be a silly little schoolgirl to meet that mother fucker. I'd probably assume it was the same dream I kept having over and over in high school.

The Godfather
12-14-2015, 09:24 PM
I always prefer Butch. I'd wish he come back, one tour would suffice.

(Idea: Have a tour with a different "member" every year. Start with Butch, omit Rashawn and Tim)

:upyours

mjf
12-14-2015, 09:33 PM
His guesting wasn't considered to be permanent that I ever heard. :dunno


I don't think it was the idea that he'd be permanent, just that Carter didn't like some of what he was doing and that's why it took so long for him to play with the band again in any capacity. Like I said, though, as far as I can remember these are just rumors.

Thanks for clearing that up fellas, got it

Yea, that's kickass to me. That part at the end where dave is pointing is my jam. And those platforms tim was wearing. You be you bro.

I don't know, that little thing he does at the end of his liC liog solo is one of my favorite bits he's done.

Seriously, I love that shit. I probably had a similar reaction to the end bit the first time I heard it on CD, because I have always loved that part

Tim's the man. The moments when Tim, Carter, and Bela locked in together that tour are one of a kind and a big part of what makes it my favorite tour

Tim brings this to another level IMO-

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Goosebumps everytime I hear those volume swells

Thrawn
12-14-2015, 10:03 PM
Yeah that's far and away my favorite released Christmas Song.

Tambourine Man
12-14-2015, 10:38 PM
I've been really enjoying this Crash

JustinC
12-14-2015, 10:44 PM
:upyours

Man, remember when everybody was hating on Butch? :lol Now he's lookin' pretty good. I don't think he could mutilate OSW intro if he tried.

Nah Butch still sucks. Rashawn just sucks more.

roshea999
12-14-2015, 10:51 PM
I've been really enjoying this Crash

I haven't heard this Crash yet, but the LiC crash is one of my favorites. LOVE what tim does on it.

And Butch > Rashawn by so much. Butch had some cheesy additions, but overall I liked what he brought. I think his role would be different with Tim there full-time. I wonder if anyone in DMB has talked to him recently.

Tomacco
12-14-2015, 11:32 PM
I'm not keen on comparing Butch vs Rashawn since we're talking about two different instruments. But I will say having a piano makes a much bigger difference than having another horn, which just cuts time away from the sax. For that reason more than any, getting any keyboard player over Rashawn would be my preference. It would make the sound fresher and give Jeff more to do. Plus the occasional squealing and sqwaking can be annoying from Rashawn (though he doesn't bug me anywhere near as much as he bugs most people here - I still like his additions in a lot of cases).

greykitkat36
12-15-2015, 12:05 AM
I'm not keen on comparing Butch vs Rashawn since we're talking about two different instruments. But I will say having a piano makes a much bigger difference than having another horn, which just cuts time away from the sax. For that reason more than any, getting any keyboard player over Rashawn would be my preference. It would make the sound fresher and give Jeff more to do. Plus the occasional squealing and sqwaking can be annoying from Rashawn (though he doesn't bug me anywhere near as much as he bugs most people here - I still like his additions in a lot of cases).

:upyours This is spot on. I really never understand the Butch hate around here, he was a key component to what many consider to be the band's peak '98-'04. He added a whole lot to songs and really helped solidify that "jazzy" era of DMB. There were cheesy things he did here and there, and I understand isn't the coolest looking dude, but I really feel he gets shit on very unfairly on here. He's a big part of the DMB I love, and he really did a lot of awesome stuff a lot of people forget. I would drop Rashawn and take Butch over him in a heartbeat (no pun intended). There's no question he added so much more and honestly, he very rarely took away anything from songs. People were pissed he would copy Dave's guitar parts, but was it that big of a deal? It made the band sound fuller. The people who hate on Butch need to take a closer listen. Can't wait for an '02-'04 show to come out again so this guy gets his respect he deserves.

greykitkat36
12-15-2015, 12:08 AM
I haven't heard this Crash yet, but the LiC crash is one of my favorites. LOVE what tim does on it.

And Butch > Rashawn by so much. Butch had some cheesy additions, but overall I liked what he brought. I think his role would be different with Tim there full-time. I wonder if anyone in DMB has talked to him recently.

Also :upyours I also wonder if they have stayed in touch at all. I would at least like to see him guest a few times again with Tim in the mix to hear how it would sound. He would tear up If Only.

And for Rashawn defenders, can you name one positive contribution he has added to any song at all? He sings harmonies (which Butch did) and his solo chops aren't even close to Butch either. It's a no contest. All the guy does is take solo opportunities away from Jeff. Ok, he writes horn arrangements...which Jeff could do too. I don't mind them using Rashawn for horn section parts, but his soloing just isn't needed. He's just not that great of a trumpet player. He can go really high, but other than that, he's pretty average for a professional touring trumpeter. I'd say the same about Boyd if he wasn't a rediculouslty intricate part of DMB's sound..but he is, so he has to keep playing...trumpet is just some bullshit icing on a cake that looks good from afar, but doesn't really do much for the cake, especially when he probably eats all of it.

Tomacco
12-15-2015, 12:31 AM
The thing about Rashawn for me is that I like a bunch of his solos - Loving Wings, Grace is Gone, spaceman, proudest monkey - but in every situation I think I would probably prefer Coffin solo if I had to pick. Rashawn is only 'integral' when it comes to horn section stuff like Seven, Shake Me, BBN, If Only, etc and even those could probably get by fine with just Coffin.

roshea999
12-15-2015, 12:35 AM
Rashawn has had some great moments. Listen to some 08 shows and he's way more subtle. I like his quiet solos on monkey. Loving wings. Even crush.

But it's way more bad than good these days. And listening to older shows roi used to add so many licks and fills here and there in songs. It's missing today. The horns are either playing arrangements or over each other as loud as they can. Jeff is so damn good, id love to see what he would do on his own.

mjf
12-15-2015, 10:42 AM
Jason/Copperpot/BillysTV just sent me this, Last Stop from the vid we were talking about. Vid looks amazing! Unfortunately it is incomplete, but captures everything from LS to middle of Jimi. Sounds like he's gonna have the rest ready to go after the holidays

8hPkjSPpadc

I'm so damn excited, never was a big fan of the Chicago webcast. The taper did a great job and the aud sounds amazing. Can't fuckin wait for Jay to work his magic on this one....

mjf
12-15-2015, 10:49 AM
Dave's reaction to when the Reprise kicks in is exactly how I pictured it. Taper did such a good job capturing that moment

batleon
12-15-2015, 11:22 AM
Bela and Tim's fills on this Crash... might supplant LT7 as my favorite released version of this song.

Also, my 2 year old totally grooved out to this Warehouse the other day :rawk

SeekUpAB
12-15-2015, 12:06 PM
Also :upyours I also wonder if they have stayed in touch at all. I would at least like to see him guest a few times again with Tim in the mix to hear how it would sound. He would tear up If Only.

:lol

mjf
12-15-2015, 01:05 PM
Bela and Tim's fills on this Crash... might supplant LT7 as my favorite released version of this song.

Also, my 2 year old totally grooved out to this Warehouse the other day :rawk

Yeah, was never a favorite song of mine but this version is incredible.

Crash is one of the songs I really miss Tim's fills on when he's not around. Dave mentioned something similar in that 3/99 interview with Tim IIRC

somf4eva
12-15-2015, 07:52 PM
Bela and Tim's fills on this Crash... might supplant LT7 as my favorite released version of this song. Also, my 2 year old totally grooved out to this Warehouse the other day :rawk


Hmm. I'm not hearing this. It's LT7 by a mile for me. I can barely hear Tim and Bela

Poth Ead
12-15-2015, 08:09 PM
I always wondered if McCandless rehearsed his solo a few times before the actual live performance

somf4eva
12-15-2015, 08:35 PM
I've listened to the few leading up to it and they come nowhere close. Interesting idea

Thrawn
12-15-2015, 09:06 PM
Oh man. I gotta admit, I usually don't like these DMBLives because I'm a stickler for sound quality. This sounds stupid good for just being a two-track mix, and good goddamn this Last Stop is phenomenal. Might be my favorite one we have released. I haven't even listened to the rest of the show yet, I've just played this three times in a row.

:rawk

willndmb
12-15-2015, 09:13 PM
I met carter and He was cool as shit
I feel bad he hasn't took five mins and met what's prob his biggest fans.
I honestly feel like its kinda dick move on Henry's part too, he could suggest him taking a couple mins if he wanted

ThememanXX
12-15-2015, 09:50 PM
I met carter and He was cool as shit
I feel bad he hasn't took five mins and met what's prob his biggest fans.
I honestly feel like its kinda dick move on Henry's part too, he could suggest him taking a couple mins if he wanted


Agreed

soright05
12-15-2015, 10:11 PM
Jason/Copperpot/BillysTV just sent me this, Last Stop from the vid we were talking about. Vid looks amazing! Unfortunately it is incomplete, but captures everything from LS to middle of Jimi. Sounds like he's gonna have the rest ready to go after the holidays

8hPkjSPpadc

I'm so damn excited, never was a big fan of the Chicago webcast. The taper did a great job and the aud sounds amazing. Can't fuckin wait for Jay to work his magic on this one....


Awesome video. Thanks for sharing

Tomacco
12-15-2015, 10:33 PM
Hmm. I'm not hearing this. It's LT7 by a mile for me. I can barely hear Tim and Bela

Yeah LT7 is waay better than this Crash. Still my favorite. I actually also love the acoustic Crash on LT32. This one is good but nothing too special. I can't hear Bela at all which is disappointing.

Aparker507
12-16-2015, 12:05 AM
I met carter and He was cool as shit
I feel bad he hasn't took five mins and met what's prob his biggest fans.
I honestly feel like its kinda dick move on Henry's part too, he could suggest him taking a couple mins if he wanted
I'm forever grateful for what Henry has done for us. I never in my life thought I'd, after emailing with him once, be on Dave Matthews Band's stage and Carter Beauford's drumkit at every show since. He's few and far between with communication, but he always hooks us up come show time and is a cool guy to just chat with.

He is married to this job and does probably more work than anyone on the crew. Perfectionist.

Perhaps he knows Carter may not like fan meet ups, or else he really does only really see him mostly during showtime. I know on his off days he's not thinking of hooking me and Justin up and that's just fine with me.

Heck maybe he thinks we've met the guy. I'm sure he wonders why we're so into this drumkit. I just know Justin and I had probably the best dmb weekend ever this summer.

I think maybe it'll happen eventually, especially since we've never pushed the issue. Shows we aren't just there to meet CB. But, at the same time, I think just a quick hello handshake wouldn't be hard lol.

Probably could move this convo to the non dmb live thread :P

mjf
12-16-2015, 01:41 AM
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing

:upyours Makes this release all the more exciting IMO, I never was a big fan of the LiC webcast. Looks like the taper did one hell of a job. Can't wait to see what Jay puts together for us :rawk

greykitkat36
12-16-2015, 03:14 AM
:upyours Makes this release all the more exciting IMO, I never was a big fan of the LiC webcast. Looks like the taper did one hell of a job. Can't wait to see what Jay puts together for us :rawk

What's wrong with the LIC webcast? Loved every minute of it. I saw it after LS too I remember thinking man this show kills LS in many ways.

mjf
12-16-2015, 04:36 AM
What's wrong with the LIC webcast? Loved every minute of it. I saw it after LS too I remember thinking man this show kills LS in many ways.

The audio (I don't have a synced copy) and camera focused mostly on Dave, I just never got into it despite adoring the CD. Loved it when I was newly a diehard, haven't seen the whole thing in 10+ years. I dunno

The audio on 11/30 being from the dmblive is gonna be fuckin amazing. Plus that clip really shows what Jack or Will mentioned about the Philly tapers being really good. Despite being a single cam, the way he captured the transition into the reprise makes me think this vid is gonna be something really special

greykitkat36
12-17-2015, 04:17 AM
The audio (I don't have a synced copy) and camera focused mostly on Dave, I just never got into it despite adoring the CD. Loved it when I was newly a diehard, haven't seen the whole thing in 10+ years. I dunno

The audio on 11/30 being from the dmblive is gonna be fuckin amazing. Plus that clip really shows what Jack or Will mentioned about the Philly tapers being really good. Despite being a single cam, the way he captured the transition into the reprise makes me think this vid is gonna be something really special

Sweet. Honestly winter '98 is just 100% fantastic there's no other way to slice it. People on here will defend '95 to the grave but I'm sorry winter '98 is the best the band had ever and will ever be. They were unstoppable and in absolute prime then. Nothing comes close this tour is the best by far imo. Even the WH disc from last year, that LLD was clearly the highlight of thenentire CD. and yes it was miles better than that GGT. Sorry to ruin the newbs but GGT is a nursery rhyme to the LLD on The recent WH disc.

greykitkat36
12-17-2015, 04:21 AM
I'm forever grateful for what Henry has done for us. I never in my life thought I'd, after emailing with him once, be on Dave Matthews Band's stage and Carter Beauford's drumkit at every show since. He's few and far between with communication, but he always hooks us up come show time and is a cool guy to just chat with.

He is married to this job and does probably more work than anyone on the crew. Perfectionist.

Perhaps he knows Carter may not like fan meet ups, or else he really does only really see him mostly during showtime. I know on his off days he's not thinking of hooking me and Justin up and that's just fine with me.

Heck maybe he thinks we've met the guy. I'm sure he wonders why we're so into this drumkit. I just know Justin and I had probably the best dmb weekend ever this summer.

I think maybe it'll happen eventually, especially since we've never pushed the issue. Shows we aren't just there to meet CB. But, at the same time, I think just a quick hello handshake wouldn't be hard lol.

Probably could move this convo to the non dmb live thread :P


Nope Carter owes you guys hardcore and if he won't greet you he's a fucking dickhead douchebag. But you may just have to push the issue. He may be totally cool with it but have no idea which shows you're at. They all blend together for him. Another venue, another YMDT, same bus, fuck everyone else.

Mersh
12-17-2015, 05:35 AM
Blackandwhitekat36

Jayes
12-17-2015, 08:15 AM
:lol

sean52692
12-17-2015, 11:45 AM
Another venue, another YMDT! Tagline for the 2016 tour? #DMB?Sets

Mersh
12-17-2015, 11:47 AM
Huh?

Jayes
12-17-2015, 12:26 PM
Another venue, another YMDT! Tagline for the 2016 tour? #DMB?Sets

Is that a play on "Another Park, Another Sunday"?

BeaufordBuddy
12-17-2015, 01:30 PM
Another venue, another YMDT! Tagline for the 2016 tour? #DMB?Sets

Either that or "Another Tour, Another Blueballed CB Fan."

Aparker507
12-17-2015, 03:17 PM
Either that or "Another Tour, Another Blueballed CB Fan."
Very true. They don't have all that much longer either. May be getting time to just ask lol

kylebond13
12-17-2015, 04:17 PM
going from 11/30/98 release to the Alpine release is just a swift kick to the nuts

sean52692
12-17-2015, 04:27 PM
Another venue, another YMDT, same bus, fuck everyone else.

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.Gary.
12-17-2015, 04:33 PM
going from 11/30/98 release to the Alpine release is just a swift kick to the nuts

Dave just sounds so...empty in comparison.

Vorony
12-17-2015, 04:39 PM
Very true. They don't have all that much longer either. May be getting time to just ask lol

Yeah as much as it may be frowned upon, you really need to be aggressive in this type of situation if you want to meet arguably your biggest idol. You guys have been doing the backstage/onstage thing for years and it's honestly always the coolest story. But at this point it doesn't hurt to ask Henry to hook it up.

I met Carter after Red Rocks '05 N3 (after stumbling upon their hotel randomly walking through downtown Denver) and he was the nicest guy. We met the whole band that night, and Carter was the only band member to stay outside the hotel for a good 30 minutes talking to everyone waiting there.

A couple years ago at Scranton, I was walking out of the venue after the show was over and the line of buses went rolling by. I had a Real Madrid jersey on, and Carter had his bus driver quickly stop so he could get out and high five me. So I can't imagine him turning down a quick hello with you guys.

I think your connection (Henry) doesn't bother to mention anything to Carter. Maybe Henry is way too busy on show days to think about it, maybe he just isn't as close to Carter as you think. But at this point, ASK the guy to hook it up finally! Just my 2 cents...

The Godfather
12-17-2015, 06:31 PM
I've talked about this for years, but I still have never met anyone in the band. Either through the WH (12/98 Mem.), or going to their spots. I've only met 2 people outside the band (Fenton in '00 and Coran in '01). From '00-'05 I tried HARD anytime they showed up in FL to try and press the issue for myself and meet them. I've tried to meet anyone in Tampa at the various hotels they've stayed at and went out shopping too. I've tried the Breakers so many times in West Palm Beach. Nothing. My buddy meets Carter waiting outside his bus after soundcheck in '06. Do you know how many times I've done that? :lol

I stopped b/c I felt like I was pressing the issue in trying to me anyone in the band. Now years later, If I get the chance to meet them it would be cool, but if I don't that's okay too.

It is really cool to read the stories about meeting the guys, and I imagine the coolness and the thrill of it. Must be a blast.

Jayes
12-17-2015, 07:28 PM
I've met and talked with Fenton and Bagby a few times. Really nice guys. Caught Fenton walking up to FOH at Alpine n2 this year and he stopped and spoke with me for a few minutes. I always walk by FOH at some point and thank them for their hard work or give em a shout out. Jeff always seems surprised that anybody knows who he is :lol

roshea999
12-17-2015, 08:07 PM
I've only met Tim. Interviewed him years ago and then said hi after a tr3 show. I don't really have much interest in meeting anyone else. Jeff would be cool. So no "real" dmb members. I don't think I have much to say to Dave or Carter. Boyd and I could talk bud I guess.

I spoke with Fenton once at Deer Creek about Alpine :lol He said the crew enjoys it, too.

Wildcats82
12-17-2015, 10:33 PM
I met Jeff after a Flecktones show back in 2004. and I met Boyd once in 2013 back when he used to tweet where his bus would be after shows. He hugged me for a very long time

roshea999
12-17-2015, 10:40 PM
:lol

batleon
12-18-2015, 10:13 AM
Is it weird that I've never had any desire to meet anyone in the band? What would I say? Probably just embarrass myself.

ThememanXX
12-18-2015, 10:41 AM
Is it weird that I've never had any desire to meet anyone in the band? What would I say? Probably just embarrass myself.

"Big fan, thanks for the music, shows, etc." But yeah, that's about it....other than a handshake or something to say "I met ______."

Jayes
12-18-2015, 11:13 AM
Is it weird that I've never had any desire to meet anyone in the band? What would I say? Probably just embarrass myself.

I think it would be awesome to meet the guys and yeah, im not really sure what would come out of my mouth, but lately I've been more interested in picking the brains of crew members. I know I know, hyoooge surprise.

Mersh
12-18-2015, 11:35 AM
Randomly happened across Dave and Tim in a local bar during the 99 D+T tour. There was virtually no one there...he mentions it during the 1.29.99 show. Chatted for a few, but that is it as far as meeting any if them goes. Never really interested in trying.

Aparker507
12-18-2015, 12:50 PM
Meeting Carter would be amazing and all since we've followed him since we can remember, but talking with Henry is just as cool. He can be very vague in his answers, but following the kit changes he makes is awesome.

Carter really only requests things here and there. Such as his current ride cymbal and requested more splashes. He hardly ever really knows what he's gonna end up playing night to night. Kinda strange, but Henry's so good at his job that Carter just goes with it I'm guessing.

greykitkat36
12-18-2015, 12:55 PM
Meeting Carter would be amazing and all since we've followed him since we can remember, but talking with Henry is just as cool. He can be very vague in his answers, but following the kit changes he makes is awesome.

Carter really only requests things here and there. Such as his current ride cymbal and requested more splashes. He hardly ever really knows what he's gonna end up playing night to night. Kinda strange, but Henry's so good at his job that Carter just goes with it I'm guessing.

That's very odd. So Carter really doesn't care or have any preference? Or I guess he trusts Henry and pays him enough where he's confident it'll be fine. Carter does strike me as a guy who kind of doesn't really give a shit and just goes with the flow. This further supports my assumption.

Aparker507
12-18-2015, 01:29 PM
Yeah he told us in Florida that Carter never really knows what he's playing lol.

His current snare drum is limited to only 100 in production. He was trying to locate another but couldn't find one. For backup he had one that "looked" like it. Kinda funny. I ended up finding him one of those limited drums and Henry got it thankfully.

So that just goes to show that most every change except for a few things, is all Henry. One thing about it, is he never leaves those kits. He's always doing something with them. Never seen a tech pay so much attention and be so involved. It says a lot about him.

greykitkat36
12-18-2015, 02:32 PM
Yeah he told us in Florida that Carter never really knows what he's playing lol.

His current snare drum is limited to only 100 in production. He was trying to locate another but couldn't find one. For backup he had one that "looked" like it. Kinda funny. I ended up finding him one of those limited drums and Henry got it thankfully.

So that just goes to show that most every change except for a few things, is all Henry. One thing about it, is he never leaves those kits. He's always doing something with them. Never seen a tech pay so much attention and be so involved. It says a lot about him.

How long has Henry been Carter drum tech? Just curious. I'm not putting blame on anyone but I haven't been a huge fan of carters sound for quite some time..I think after '07. Has he switched it up drastically in the last 8-10 years? His drums just don't have that nice crispness, warmth to them that they used to. I remember going to DMB shows and being amazed how fucking great carters drums always sounded. Haven't thought that way in a while now. Wonder if it's because of tim being there drowning his sound out more or if it's the actual drums he's using or if my ears just got shitty. Have you noticed this too?

Aparker507
12-18-2015, 02:45 PM
How long has Henry been Carter drum tech? Just curious. I'm not putting blame on anyone but I haven't been a huge fan of carters sound for quite some time..I think after '07. Has he switched it up drastically in the last 8-10 years? His drums just don't have that nice crispness, warmth to them that they used to. I remember going to DMB shows and being amazed how fucking great carters drums always sounded. Haven't thought that way in a while now. Wonder if it's because of tim being there drowning his sound out more or if it's the actual drums he's using or if my ears just got shitty. Have you noticed this too?
Moving my reply to the stuff that doesn't need it's own thread area so we can focus on this release.

somf4eva
12-18-2015, 03:36 PM
This last stop will continue to get play from me. It's great

willndmb
12-18-2015, 10:06 PM
Randomly happened across Dave and Tim in a local bar during the 99 D+T tour. There was virtually no one there...he mentions it during the 1.29.99 show. Chatted for a few, but that is it as far as meeting any if them goes. Never really interested in trying.

I was in the bar that night too, must have missed them because like you said no one was there and I was on the look out lol.

Side note
Met bt twice, once on Easter in cville and once in Toronto. Carter, bela, futureman in Toronto.
Stefan kinda in Toronto. Jeff in SPAC and Tim a couple times at tr3 shows

dmb2much40
12-18-2015, 10:45 PM
I met Stefan a few years ago and he was less douchey than I expected.

dmb1981
12-18-2015, 11:18 PM
How long has Henry been Carter drum tech? Just curious. I'm not putting blame on anyone but I haven't been a huge fan of carters sound for quite some time..I think after '07. Has he switched it up drastically in the last 8-10 years? His drums just don't have that nice crispness, warmth to them that they used to. I remember going to DMB shows and being amazed how fucking great carters drums always sounded. Haven't thought that way in a while now. Wonder if it's because of tim being there drowning his sound out more or if it's the actual drums he's using or if my ears just got shitty. Have you noticed this too?

Couldn't agree more. '07 was the end of Carter imo. He used to make things so smooth. Now, he sounds like just a really good rock drummer. Hugely disappointed in what he's become. Listen to Carter now then go back and listen to '00-07".

roshea999
12-19-2015, 12:39 AM
I met Stefan a few years ago and he was less douchey than I expected.

:lol how so?

Mersh
12-19-2015, 05:07 AM
I was in the bar that night too, must have missed them because like you said no one was there and I was on the look out lol. Side note Met bt twice, once on Easter in cville and once in Toronto. Carter, bela, futureman in Toronto. Stefan kinda in Toronto. Jeff in SPAC and Tim a couple times at tr3 shows it was the same bar, but not the same night he referenced. They were in town most of that week as they were staying at the hotel Syracuse for the Cornell gig and the Utica gig.

Aparker507
12-19-2015, 12:14 PM
Finally got around to downloading this. I'm quite happy. I don't listen to much older dmb nowadays but this is awesome. Last stop kills

mjf
12-22-2015, 01:39 PM
Great news, Jason finished the video! Here it is guys

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Huge thanks to Jay and Joe Burns, he really did a fantastic job taping this one. I gotta travel to San Diego this year, so pumped to watch this on the flight. Hope you guys enjoy it too

Despite the camcoder running out of battery during Jimi, I'm expecting this to be my favorite Fall '98 vid judging from LS

Mersh
12-22-2015, 05:09 PM
Just noticed Dave playing JTR after Jimi Thing. Didn't notice it first time around.

somf4eva
12-22-2015, 07:21 PM
Yea saw that on the almanac before a gave it a listen. Had they recorded "rain down on me" with Santana yet?

What's the story with that tune? DM riff > Santana song > DMB song?

mjf
12-22-2015, 09:28 PM
Yea saw that on the almanac before a gave it a listen. Had they recorded "rain down on me" with Santana yet?

What's the story with that tune? DM riff > Santana song > DMB song?

Pretty much. Teased at this show, then it debuted (along with Love of My Life) 3/14/99 with Santana guesting with D&T, played 3/25/99 just D&T for Storytellers, recorded/left off Supernatural which was released June '99, then became JTR

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TheNoise
12-22-2015, 09:33 PM
maaaaan that video brings back the memories, wow

Jayes
12-22-2015, 09:45 PM
Loving this video. Missin Roi so badly watchin this Heartbeat.

So far after two listens I prefer Last Stop from LIC, though it was a super fun watch.

Jayes
12-22-2015, 10:18 PM
:lol Carter and Dave right at the end of LIOG before Dave introduces Boyd. 54:52 Awesome

Not sure I've ever had to say this about Roi, but most of his Jimi solo is just bad. Dancing near the right pitches but not on them :/ doesnt seem into it.

SomeDevil17
12-23-2015, 12:13 AM
Man watching Dave right at 6:50 in that Last Stop. Missing that band.

ThememanXX
12-23-2015, 08:54 AM
Yea saw that on the almanac before a gave it a listen. Had they recorded "rain down on me" with Santana yet?

What's the story with that tune? DM riff > Santana song > DMB song?

Pretty sure Dave wrote it and was working on it with Santana for 'Supernatural' and they officially released Love of my Life instead, and Santana was going to return the favor and play on JTR; but then the Lillywhite sessions were scrapped and he guested on Mother Father instead.

Bluewater34
12-23-2015, 09:42 AM
I question whether there was a plan for him to guest on the LWS JTR. There isn't much room for him on that recording. If that was the original plan it must have scrapped previous to that particular version being laid down.

ThememanXX
12-23-2015, 09:51 AM
I question whether there was a plan for him to guest on the LWS JTR. There isn't much room for him on that recording. If that was the original plan it must have scrapped previous to that particular version being laid down.

That's true, could've just been scrapped at that time 'cause he couldn't make the sessions or something, but I remember that he 'owed' DMB a guest spot on a record.

roshea999
12-23-2015, 12:11 PM
I question whether there was a plan for him to guest on the LWS JTR. There isn't much room for him on that recording. If that was the original plan it must have scrapped previous to that particular version being laid down.

Do we know definitively why Tim wasn't around for those sessions?

That JTR is flawless.

dmb1981
12-23-2015, 12:12 PM
That Graves with Bela when they all come to the crescendo is one of the all time great DMB moments.

mjf
12-23-2015, 12:26 PM
Pretty sure Dave wrote it and was working on it with Santana for 'Supernatural' and they officially released Love of my Life instead, and Santana was going to return the favor and play on JTR; but then the Lillywhite sessions were scrapped and he guested on Mother Father instead.

Neat, never knew that. I thought I had read the band had decided the LWS was going to be just the five of em with no guests (not even Tim)

Bluewater34
12-23-2015, 12:47 PM
Neat, never knew that. I thought I had read the band had decided the LWS was going to be just the five of em with no guests (not even Tim)


I have a vague recollection of that too.

dmb2much40
12-23-2015, 01:20 PM
I remember an interview with Dave saying the BTCS sessions got "too crowded. "

dmb1981
12-23-2015, 04:10 PM
I remember an interview with Dave saying the BTCS sessions got "too crowded. "

sounds like it, the album turned out horribly.

Jayes
12-23-2015, 04:44 PM
Aaaand we're back to their terrible taste in their own music and bad decisions :lol

In their defense, it really does suck that their best stuff/decisions seems to be the most agonizing for them. But it really does suck for us that the stuff they enjoy making/doing is usually quite subpar, to put it as delicately as possible.

But now that I've seen that in writing, they just sound lazy as fuck. Which certainly wasn't true in the first 10 years, since they busted ass actually moving all that gear around the country themselves for a few hundred shows a year. Not to say they didnt have help, but for a while there they actually had to physically pitch in and then play for 3 hours, which is grueling.

dmb1981
12-23-2015, 05:53 PM
After listening to this 5 or so times now, this might be my favourite live release. Just incredible stuff.

cryfreedom09
12-23-2015, 07:34 PM
After listening to this 5 or so times now, this might be my favourite live release. Just incredible stuff.

Wow #1. It's a damn good show but there's no way I could put it over LT 3 or LT 7.

roshea999
12-24-2015, 12:18 AM
LT 1

Tambourine Man
12-24-2015, 01:56 AM
LT 1

mix ruins it

Bluewater34
12-24-2015, 06:36 AM
mix ruins it

I don't know that anything can ruin that show, but it definitely hurts it.

Mersh
12-24-2015, 08:23 AM
Not the best mix, but ruins it, don't know about that.

gweeps
12-24-2015, 08:34 AM
Carter's drums sound like shotgun blasts.

ThememanXX
12-24-2015, 09:03 AM
Yeah, the Scranton Live Trax mix is horrible, but I still listen to that one all the time.

Mersh
12-24-2015, 11:59 AM
Carter's drums sound like shotgun blasts.

I don't find it to be that bad, but if the whole release of a pretty great show is ruined for you because of it, you are much pickier than I am. To each his own though.

Welsh
12-28-2015, 01:11 AM
So, I stick my head in the door to see what's going on, and I find this amazing announcement. This was supposed to be my first show. If only I wasn't a poor, naive college kid at the time.

somf4eva
12-28-2015, 01:00 PM
Probably been pointed out, but I realized this is one of the few shows from that tour to not have DDTW in the set list.

patsfan39
12-28-2015, 01:12 PM
:huh whats the 4th song in the set

sean52692
12-28-2015, 01:42 PM
Yeah, oops. I checked and DDTW is even on the printed setlist:
http://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.aspx?sid=453054777&tid=22

Is that Bela's signature on that print? I can't decipher what it says.

ThememanXX
12-28-2015, 01:46 PM
Yeah, it's Bela's. Just took a look at my Flecktones signed setlist to confirm. :lol

gweeps
12-28-2015, 02:38 PM
I don't find it to be that bad, but if the whole release of a pretty great show is ruined for you because of it, you are much pickier than I am. To each his own though.Meh. I got used to it. I'm not one for listening to concerts over and over again though. Specific song versions are another thing.