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NiCK Crush
06-13-2016, 11:16 AM
http://davematthewsband.shop.musictoday.com/Product.aspx?cp=1_81883&pc=DMDD140

As Dave mentions to the crowd during this 1996 performance at Saratoga Springs Performing Arts Center, “This fine State of NY always welcomes us here the heaviest.” This show is an excellent example of the band’s spirited performances, which have kept the door open for repeat visits to Saratoga Springs throughout the band’s career. On June 8, 1996 DMB was supporting the release of its sophomore album, Crash, whose songs are well represented on this setlist with the appearances of “#41," "Jimi Thing,” and “Two Step” segued into “Crash Into Me” to name a few. “#36,” which was recorded during the Crash sessions, but did not make the album, shows well the band’s relaxed playfulness between Dave’s scat singing and Carter and LeRoi’s incendiary performances.

Please note – this item is available for pre-order and will ship on or around July 12, 2016. Digital content will be available on July 15.

Track List

Disc One
1 Best of What's Around
2 Two Step
3 Crash Into Me
4 Jimi Thing
5 #41
6 Granny
7 Too Much
8 Song That Jane Likes

Disc Two
1 Cry Freedom
2 So Much To Say
3 Satellite
4 Seek Up
5 Drive In, Drive Out
6 #36
7 Ants Marching
8 All Along the Watchtower

Jack
06-13-2016, 11:17 AM
boo.

roshea999
06-13-2016, 11:18 AM
Looks good. Anything particularly interesting about this show?

Mitch
06-13-2016, 11:19 AM
Interesting. With the last one being '92, wasn't expecting another 90's show. Not that I'm complaining, though. Can't remember if I ever heard this one. Definitely interested in hearing opinions on this show.

NiCK Crush
06-13-2016, 11:19 AM
So, still no Sweet Briar Dell announcement.

Perhaps they want it to be a bigger deal than just pairing the announcement with Crash.

mja271
06-13-2016, 11:21 AM
EDIT: nevermind

Mitch
06-13-2016, 11:22 AM
So, still no Sweet Briar Dell announcement.


yeah, I was expecting that one to be paired with Crash re-issue, not the LT. So looks like we'll be getting 2 '96 releases over the next few months. :upyours

Jack
06-13-2016, 11:23 AM
Wish this had been a 6/11 or another one with a Toy Soldiers.

mja271
06-13-2016, 11:26 AM
Idk obviously a great set of classics but doesn't excite me much. Is there anything here that's essential that will differentiate from the millions of other versions we have of these songs?

fortyone
06-13-2016, 11:29 AM
That line about #36 in the description makes me think we're getting it as a b-side in time for the Crash re-release.

NiCK Crush
06-13-2016, 11:29 AM
Wish this had been a 6/11 or another one with a Toy Soldiers.

That would have been very nice.

Mitch
06-13-2016, 11:30 AM
Does this one stand out in any way vs. the very solid 6/4/96 LT we already have? The setlists are obviously very similar.

NiCK Crush
06-13-2016, 11:30 AM
That line about #36 in the description makes me think we're getting it as a b-side in time for the Crash re-release.

Doesn't look like it though...

fortyone
06-13-2016, 11:30 AM
Doesn't look like it though...

Yup. Nevermind. Just saw the other announcement! :lol

mja271
06-13-2016, 11:33 AM
Doesn't look like it though...

Yep that was my edited line above, before seeing they also announced the vinyl that line immediately made me think it'd be a bonus track

NewAgedNerd
06-13-2016, 11:34 AM
Looks solid. Can't say no to a 96 show.

raven
06-13-2016, 11:39 AM
Wish this had been a 6/11 or another one with a Toy Soldiers.
I was thinking that too.. I listened to 6/11 on cassette many times

JustinC
06-13-2016, 11:41 AM
June 8, 1996 DMB was supporting the release of its sophomore album, Crash, whose songs are well represented on this setlist with the appearances of “#41," "Jimi Thing,” and “Two Step” segued into “Crash Into Me” to name a few. “#36,” which was recorded during the Crash sessions, but did not make the album,

:wtf

Jack
06-13-2016, 11:45 AM
Guessing the almanac didn't assist with this writeup...

SeekUpAB
06-13-2016, 11:47 AM
Can't complain, looks like a cool set. The #36 line had me thinking the same thing, too bad.

Mersh
06-13-2016, 11:48 AM
I will grab this because I was there and it is a fine 96 show, but I can get not being excited about this given its similarity to 6.4.96 and in the face of a lot of other nice 96 shows.

sean52692
06-13-2016, 11:51 AM
Hmm. Obviously it fits well with the 20th anny. Looks like disc 2 will be awesome.

NewAgedNerd
06-13-2016, 12:08 PM
I'm pretty sure I remember this show being good when I listened to the tape, gonna have to dig that out again.

Mersh
06-13-2016, 12:16 PM
The tape I have is not very good.

SeekUpAB
06-13-2016, 12:25 PM
Kind of a shame they burned the next SPAC release on this one though. Should've saved it for 2004.

Klooner
06-13-2016, 12:31 PM
Wish this had been a 6/11 or another one with a Toy Soldiers.

Ditto. Underwhelming choice based on setlist and previous LT releases.

Mitch
06-13-2016, 12:35 PM
Underwhelming is a great way to put it. It's a fine show, I'm sure, but what reason would anyone have to be actually excited about it?

Mersh
06-13-2016, 12:37 PM
Kind of a shame they burned the next SPAC release on this one though. Should've saved it for 2004. or 98.

Fan#41
06-13-2016, 12:41 PM
If they're touting this as a crowd/fan driven set/release, then I hope the crowd is actually...you know...present in the mix. Because if not, then there's not much separating this and 6/4/96.

celluloid hero
06-13-2016, 12:59 PM
Guessing the almanac didn't assist with this writeup...

nope. Didn't have any info on this release at all.

Thrawn
06-13-2016, 01:04 PM
Ugh.

There are so many options from 97-04 for unique releases unlike anything that's out there... I'm so not excited about another 96 show without any rarities or special guests. We did this already. I love the previous 96 Trax release, but could not be less excited about this one.

Mersh
06-13-2016, 01:10 PM
But it makes sense to have a 96 given the Crash tie in.

Thrawn
06-13-2016, 01:13 PM
I know. I just hope we get a fourth one this year. If we just get these two and then a probably fairly bland '16 DVD like the last couple years, I'm gonna be a little bummed.

Mersh
06-13-2016, 01:15 PM
I assume we will get the usual holiday time release.

SomeDevil17
06-13-2016, 01:15 PM
I know. I just hope we get a fourth one this year. If we just get these two and then a probably fairly bland '16 DVD like the last couple years, I'm gonna be a little bummed.

I'm sure we will get one for Christmas time.

Thrawn
06-13-2016, 01:18 PM
No that's what I mean. We usually get three. We've used up two this year, plus I assume we'll get the Christmas time one. I'm hoping we get another one that's more appealing to me. But I doubt it.

batleon
06-13-2016, 01:27 PM
Should have done Fall '96 if they wanted to tie into Crash. Cow Palace would have been awesome. Oh well, this is a skip for me.

Mersh
06-13-2016, 01:41 PM
Should have done Fall '96 if they wanted to tie into Crash. Cow Palace would have been awesome. Oh well, this is a skip for me. yeah I was hoping for that show. I will get this though.

celluloid hero
06-13-2016, 01:50 PM
No that's what I mean. We usually get three. We've used up two this year, plus I assume we'll get the Christmas time one. I'm hoping we get another one that's more appealing to me. But I doubt it.

We usually get 4, though.

raven
06-13-2016, 02:03 PM
too bad the date wasn't one year later.. 6/8/97 would be great

June 8, 1997
Meadows Music Theatre - Hartford, CT

One Sweet World
The Best of What's Around
Jimi Thing
Crash into Me
Lie in Our Graves *
Seek Up > *
Two Step *
#41 *%
Leave Me Praying
Say Goodbye
Ants Marching *
Tripping Billies (Short intro with lyrics to Nature intro chords) *
Lover Lay Down
So Much to Say >
Anyone Seen the Bridge >
Too Much

E: Drive In Drive Out

* Béla Fleck
% Jeff Coffin

notes:
First time Jeff Coffin has guested

NiCK Crush
06-13-2016, 02:05 PM
I mean yea.

Fan#41
06-13-2016, 02:17 PM
I always wondered if there were some quality issues for their recording of 6/8/97 and that's why we haven't seen it. If you actually listen to the show there are a few moments of feedback noise through the amps that can clearly be heard on the audience recording.

tbowie
06-13-2016, 02:18 PM
too bad the date wasn't one year later.. 6/8/97 would be great


I feel like we have been wishing this for so long....

NewAgedNerd
06-13-2016, 02:23 PM
It's easy to look at this release and be feeling "meh" about it, but for me, after looking at some of my favorite/most listened to LTs, a lot of them are shows like this.

Shows where on paper there may not be anything extremely unique about them, but are just really solid shows with great performances of some of DMBs best material.

Ones like LT17, LT18, LT5, LT34. Plenty more examples but I think my point stands.

Mersh
06-13-2016, 02:43 PM
We usually get 4, though. that is what I thought.

MaLaKaS
06-13-2016, 02:54 PM
I don't think I've ever listened to the SPAC 96 aud before. I'm going to find it and listen to it today.

JimBeam41
06-13-2016, 03:12 PM
It's probably a good show, but not one i'm interested in buying.

If they needed a 96 show, then 11/9/96 Cow Palace should of been the pick

MaLaKaS
06-13-2016, 03:30 PM
Wish this had been a 6/11 or another one with a Toy Soldiers.

It's probably a good show, but not one i'm interested in buying.

If they needed a 96 show, then 11/9/96 Cow Palace should of been the pick

I think 6.11.96 and 11.9.96 were the obvious choices and I'm sure we will eventually get them one day, but having the first full DMB show at SPAC is also pretty cool :upyours

Jack
06-13-2016, 03:34 PM
Just seems like kind of a clueless pick. We had 4/30 plus a show from 4 nights earlier. This just seems redundant when there were better options. I would have begged to give them money for 6/11, but this I will totally pass on.

Mersh
06-13-2016, 03:36 PM
Just seems like kind of a clueless pick. We had 4/30 plus a show from 4 nights earlier. This just seems redundant when there were better options. I would have begged to give them money for 6/11, but this I will totally pass on.

Agreed, though I am buying as I went to the show.

Jack
06-13-2016, 03:38 PM
nope. Didn't have any info on this release at all.

Guess we know why we're all disapointed :lol

DMBCLSTJ
06-13-2016, 03:39 PM
Just seems like kind of a clueless pick. We had 4/30 plus a show from 4 nights earlier. This just seems redundant when there were better options. I would have begged to give them money for 6/11, but this I will totally pass on.

Is this the bad ass show with the debut of Toy Soldiers and Is Chicago Is Not Chicago? If so I agree.

Mersh
06-13-2016, 03:46 PM
Is this the bad ass show with the debut of Toy Soldiers and Is Chicago Is Not Chicago? If so I agree. yes

ThememanXX
06-13-2016, 03:54 PM
Just seems like kind of a clueless pick. We had 4/30 plus a show from 4 nights earlier. This just seems redundant when there were better options. I would have begged to give them money for 6/11, but this I will totally pass on.

Agreed

DMBCLSTJ
06-13-2016, 04:08 PM
yes

Yeah I would be much more inclined to purchase that one.

MaLaKaS
06-13-2016, 04:13 PM
Just seems like kind of a clueless pick. We had 4/30 plus a show from 4 nights earlier. This just seems redundant when there were better options. I would have begged to give them money for 6/11, but this I will totally pass on.

Of course, but it is what it is. We will get those shows eventually one day though.

Tambourine Man
06-13-2016, 04:14 PM
Releasing same day as SPAC N1 $$$$$

JustinC
06-13-2016, 04:42 PM
Just seems like kind of a clueless pick. We had 4/30 plus a show from 4 nights earlier. This just seems redundant when there were better options. I would have begged to give them money for 6/11, but this I will totally pass on.

The discussion that I assume went on

"How about we go with 6/11 it has 10 songs from Crash and then 3 rarities with Dave doing Watermelon Smilin, Toy Soldiers debut and full band Is Chicago, Is Not Chicago.

"6/8. Too Much has the Fame/Golden Outro which is relevant."

"But 6/8 only has 7 crash songs. 6/11 has 10.

"But SPAC-goers are mad that Alpine got a third release and SPAC hasn't gotten a second one"

"Oh. I guess we have to go with that one then"



Looking at just the shows from June '96. 6/8 isn't even in my top 5 of a show I want released from that tour

Would take

6/7
6/11
6/12
6/16
6/21
6/23

before 6/8

torres
06-13-2016, 04:42 PM
Meh

Jack
06-13-2016, 04:45 PM
And theoretically 6/11 was all mixed and ready to go. Too bad.

Mersh
06-13-2016, 04:47 PM
SPAC goers are mad about the number of Alpine releases in comparison? Who are these tools?

NiCK Crush
06-13-2016, 04:51 PM
I never thought this series would get to damn near 40 releases. The best part about one not doing it for you is that another is seemingly right around the corner.

roshea999
06-13-2016, 05:28 PM
Will they stop it at 50? 100? or just let it go?

Jack
06-13-2016, 05:29 PM
Stop at #41?

I feel like the end is soon.

JWood
06-13-2016, 05:30 PM
Stop at #41?

I feel like the end is soon.

But then they'll just start over. (#27)

MaLaKaS
06-13-2016, 05:31 PM
Yea, I think the series will stop soon and a new one will begin.

Mitch
06-13-2016, 05:36 PM
Looking at just the shows from June '96. 6/8 isn't even in my top 5 of a show I want released from that tour

Would take

6/7
6/11
6/12
6/16
6/21
6/23

before 6/8

Yeah but if you take out the 4 best shows, this one is 3rd on your list!

Jack
06-13-2016, 05:43 PM
Yeah but if you take out the 4 best shows, this one is 3rd on your list!

https://media.giphy.com/media/WtBDAH97eXAmQ/giphy.gif

celluloid hero
06-13-2016, 05:48 PM
Guess we know why we're all disapointed :lol

Info and input are totally different, though. Actual input that directly had anything to do with what came out is limited to probably only three releases. Probably did write ups for 5 or 6.

Tomacco
06-13-2016, 05:51 PM
Underwhelming is a great way to put it. It's a fine show, I'm sure, but what reason would anyone have to be actually excited about it?

:upyours My sentiments too.

MaLaKaS
06-13-2016, 05:52 PM
:upyours My sentiments too.

Woah...you are actually complaining about something ;)

Tomacco
06-13-2016, 05:55 PM
Woah...you are actually complaining about something ;)

Oh, when it comes to pre-1998 Live Trax releases, I think I have a pretty solid record of complaining/indifference. :lol
For the last five years or so, it's really rare that I'll get excited about an early release because there's only so many versions of R2T/UTTAD/Crash songs I can listen to.

celluloid hero
06-13-2016, 06:03 PM
I don't know if it's a straight swing and a miss for me because I'm sure it's a fine listen. They sounded great that tour and you can tell how excited they are about where they are at this point. Plus I haven't listened to it. But not having Nancies > Warehouse in some fashion from this release is a bummer. It's the standout part of this short tour. It's like picking a '97 without Leave Me Praying.

NiCK Crush
06-13-2016, 06:19 PM
Yea, I think the series will stop soon and a new one will begin.

This would be silly. If they still intend to release shows in some fashion, might as well just stick to Live Trax. It's been nice to have.

Jack
06-13-2016, 07:31 PM
This would be silly. If they still intend to release shows in some fashion, might as well just stick to Live Trax. It's been nice to have.

There are many reasons to start over. Chiefly, having a series with 40+ entries is daunting to any new fan trying to wade in.

MaLaKaS
06-13-2016, 07:33 PM
This would be silly. If they still intend to release shows in some fashion, might as well just stick to Live Trax. It's been nice to have.

or they could just stick with DMBLive in the future and drop the numbers. I would rather see "DMBLive: x/xx/xx abc" intead of "Live Trax 109". That's just my opinion though.

NiCK Crush
06-13-2016, 07:41 PM
There are many reasons to start over. Chiefly, having a series with 40+ entries is daunting to any new fan trying to wade in.

That's a good point. Never thought of it that way.

I have them all, so I just selfishly want them to continue.

Poth Ead
06-13-2016, 08:41 PM
Too bad. Cow Palace would of been an outstanding pick like other's have said here.

I wasn't too excited for LT37 and meanwhile, I've listened to the show at least 10x since its release. I think the mix and the overall production of the release will keep me coming back to it for years to come in addition to the spirited, quality performance of the band that night.

If this '96 release has a similar spirit and sound/mix, then it will exceed my expectations. IMO, 6.4.96 was NOT a good representation of '96 so I would think there will be elements in this show that exceed the former. BTW this was the year of my first DMB show (Jones Beach 6.9.96) :smoke

tbowie
06-13-2016, 08:41 PM
or they could just stick with DMBLive in the future and drop the numbers. I would rather see "DMBLive: x/xx/xx abc" intead of "Live Trax 109". That's just my opinion though.

or just dmb and date - like every other band that has "regular" live releases (Springsteen, PJ, Phish, etc)

Thrawn
06-13-2016, 08:49 PM
We usually get 4, though.

Well son of a bitch, you're right. I stand corrected.

JustinC
06-13-2016, 09:35 PM
Ya time to ditch the Live Trax title and release shows with just the date and venue on it.

SomeDevil17
06-14-2016, 08:25 AM
I am with Jack as well, I think stopping at #41 would be pretty cool and appropriate. I am also in the camp of they release something way to often and wish they would slow down. Look how many live releases we had prior to 2006 and look how many we have got in the last 10 years.

batleon
06-14-2016, 08:26 AM
For the record I too would have paid money for the 6/11/96 show (not that anyone cares). Aside from all the aforementioned reasons, opening a show with Billies/Seek Up back to back is badass :rawk

Mersh
06-14-2016, 08:29 AM
I am with Jack as well, I think stopping at #41 would be pretty cool and appropriate. I am also in the camp of they release something way to often and wish they would slow down. Look how many live releases we had prior to 2006 and look how many we have got in the last 10 years. I am not being argumentative, but I don't get the "release less" stance. Especially for bands who are known for their live show. What is better about having less?

celluloid hero
06-14-2016, 08:33 AM
I am not being argumentative, but I don't get the "release less" stance. Especially for bands who are known for their live show. What is better about having less?

Or what the difference is between calling it Live Trax 6.8.96 or just DMB 6.8.96 and Live Trax Volume 38 - 6.8.96. We refer to them as numbers here. Call it what you want in iTunes, don't use a volume if you don't want. I use a hybrid that blends in well with my AUDs:

dmb1996-06-08.sbd - Saratoga Springs (Live Trax v38)

ThememanXX
06-14-2016, 09:52 AM
Or what the difference is between calling it Live Trax 6.8.96 or just DMB 6.8.96 and Live Trax Volume 38 - 6.8.96. We refer to them as numbers here. Call it what you want in iTunes, don't use a volume if you don't want. I use a hybrid that blends in well with my AUDs:

dmb1996-06-08.sbd - Saratoga Springs (Live Trax v38)

Yeah, and on the flipside, I actually separate them from my AUDs in iTunes. I think if they ever drop the Live Trax moniker, I'll either keep going with labeling them Live Trax 43, etc.....or hope they have another 'series' name so as to not mix them in.

Different strokes, of course.

celluloid hero
06-14-2016, 10:11 AM
Yeah, and on the flipside, I actually separate them from my AUDs in iTunes. I think if they ever drop the Live Trax moniker, I'll either keep going with labeling them Live Trax 43, etc.....or hope they have another 'series' name so as to not mix them in.

Different strokes, of course.

I kept them separate for a while, but with almost 100 live releases, I wanted to be able to look at the 2000 tour and see everything in a nice consistent fashion.

It would bother me to see:

dmb2000-06-23.akg - Noblesville
dmb2000-06-24.akg - Noblesville
dmb2000-06-27.akg - Cincinnati

in my list, then see Live Trax 16 somewhere else and I'm past the point of keeping AUDs of released shows in 99% of cases.

Mitch
06-14-2016, 10:30 AM
You can quickly and easily switch the sort in iTunes from title to date, though. I have the official releases by their actual title, and the "date" the show date not release date. That way I can see releases in a series together in order or shows together in date order. Best of both worlds, IMO.

ThememanXX
06-14-2016, 11:23 AM
Best of both worlds, IMO.

:lol

Exactly! Three 'right' ways of doing things right here.

NewAgedNerd
06-14-2016, 03:27 PM
Listening to this one on the AUD right now. This Jimi Thing is HOT.

Also its weird hearing Crash played without the ending we're normally used to.

MaLaKaS
06-14-2016, 05:01 PM
For the record I too would have paid money for the 6/11/96 show (not that anyone cares). Aside from all the aforementioned reasons, opening a show with Billies/Seek Up back to back is badass :rawk


This would have been my first DMB show, had my parents let me go. Ugh :lol

Listening to this one on the AUD right now. This Jimi Thing is HOT.

Also its weird hearing Crash played without the ending we're normally used to.


I located the SHN version of the show yesterday, but I noticed that Disc 2 Track 5 (Carter drum solo) was missing from it. Would you happen to have it?

greykitkat36
06-14-2016, 08:07 PM
This is another really smoking show and solid choice. A lot of people seem dissapointed because we have the 06.04.96 show ready..but that show is crap compared to this one. This show is on fire do not overlook it. And the AUD that is out there is not very good so this is a huge upgrade. The set looks average on paper but so do a lot of Ty good mid 90s DMB shows.

sean52692
06-14-2016, 08:55 PM
1996 DMB is inherently exciting music, so while I'm not thrilled with the selection, I'm definitely looking forward to buying and listening to it.

Christopher James
06-15-2016, 01:38 PM
I do kinda wish it was the 1997 SPAC show.. but still looking forward to this one nonetheless.

JustinC
06-15-2016, 02:04 PM
I don't get the people saying they wish it was another year. This LT release was always going to be a '96 release to coincide with the vinyl release of Crash. End of argument.

LT 39? LT 40? Complain all you want that it wasn't whatever year you wanted.

celluloid hero
06-15-2016, 02:14 PM
I don't get the people saying they wish it was another year. This LT release was always going to be a '96 release to coincide with the vinyl release of Crash. End of argument.

LT 39? LT 40? Complain all you want that it wasn't whatever year you wanted.

Also, in theory 40 is going to be a 2016 I think that's a pretty consistent schedule at this point also.

raven
06-15-2016, 02:37 PM
And theoretically 6/11 was all mixed and ready to go. Too bad.
I didn't realize that

Fan#41
06-15-2016, 02:43 PM
5/11, 5/31, 6/11, 7/8, 7/19, 8/1, 10/1, 10/3-4, and 11/9. All 96's that would make for great releases some day.

Josh.0
06-15-2016, 02:48 PM
Count me as disappointed they didn't go with something with a track or two that hasn't been played since that era.

Jayes
06-15-2016, 04:07 PM
Josh is your av cycling through different versions of your bitmoji?

Mersh
06-15-2016, 04:50 PM
Count me as disappointed they didn't go with something with a track or two that hasn't been played since that era. what songs are you talking about or do you mean one off type stuff like Toy Soldiers?

Josh.0
06-15-2016, 05:24 PM
what songs are you talking about or do you mean one off type stuff like Toy Soldiers?

Yeah, TS, or Let You Down (which I know wasn't played in 96, but was in 97). Just something unique to that era. This doesn't really have any of it.

Josh.0
06-15-2016, 05:24 PM
Josh is your av cycling through different versions of your bitmoji?

Nah I just like that one the best

cryfreedom09
06-15-2016, 08:44 PM
Preordered. Like a sucker :lol

MaLaKaS
06-20-2016, 12:19 PM
I finally got a chance to listen to the aud of this show in full this past weekend. The show was hot with great performances and pretty good Davespeak as well. I can't find anything wrong with the performances. I find it to be a solid show.

cryfreedom09
06-20-2016, 03:38 PM
I finally got a chance to listen to the aud of this show in full this past weekend. The show was hot with great performances and pretty good Davespeak as well. I can't find anything wrong with the performances. I find it to be a solid show.

Thank you for the review. Any standouts to you?

tbowie
06-20-2016, 06:35 PM
I put the aud recording up on DT if anyone wants to check it out while we wait.

https://www.dreamingtree.org/torrents.php?id=1351

MaLaKaS
06-21-2016, 04:55 PM
Thank you for the review. Any standouts to you?

Jimi Thing, Cry Freedom, Seek Up, and BOWA were all highlights for me

Mersh
06-28-2016, 11:22 AM
Granny is up.

rob554
06-28-2016, 11:26 AM
Oh hey, my favorite song is back. It's not being played at 1,000,000 miles per hour.

I just want to force the band to listen to this performance of Granny and say "please do this. Please."

ThememanXX
06-28-2016, 11:33 AM
pretty good Davespeak as well

I'd imagine all that will be cut.

Mersh
06-28-2016, 11:44 AM
I'd imagine all that will be cut.

I feel like they haven't cut that stuff for years now.

ThememanXX
06-28-2016, 01:45 PM
I feel like they haven't cut that stuff for years now.

Oh really? I haven't listened to official live releases in so long. I stand corrected!

Fan#41
06-28-2016, 03:52 PM
Granny sounded good. I like the level of the crowd in this one.

Mersh
06-28-2016, 03:55 PM
Granny sounded good. I like the level of the crowd in this one. heh. Actually thought of you when I heard the crowd in the mix

shadowraven
07-02-2016, 04:44 PM
I can't believe this is now on 38. I think the last one I got was 16

sean52692
07-12-2016, 10:51 PM
This week!

Pretty excited to get this one.

Poth Ead
07-14-2016, 05:53 PM
Tonight

soright05
07-14-2016, 06:18 PM
they released at midnight or shortly after?

Poth Ead
07-14-2016, 09:53 PM
they released at midnight or shortly after?
typically, after midnight.. or before for some releases if I remember correctly

greykitkat36
07-15-2016, 01:08 AM
Hell yes this is out and just bought the MP3 download. This sounds fantastic and its MP3 can't imagine how good the flac is. The mix is :upyours :upyours Brandon's gonna love this one, so much crowd noise. God damn Carter is so good here, such a shame hearing shows now knowing how much he's lost in terms of creativity.

But yeah, definitely get this release, sounds fantastic and this show is cooking, only up to Jimi and its on fire.

sean52692
07-15-2016, 04:15 PM
Listening to this right now...

Sort of a messy start, Two Step is a little bit jumbled. The mix is pretty clear and definitely has plenty of crowd noise like Greykitkat mentioned. I love these earlier shows when Fonz bleeds through the mix and you can hear his funky style. Feel like Dave's guitar is a little buried. Also Boyd sounds weird/bad.

greykitkat36
07-15-2016, 05:05 PM
Listening to this right now...

Sort of a messy start, Two Step is a little bit jumbled. The mix is pretty clear and definitely has plenty of crowd noise like Greykitkat mentioned. I love these earlier shows when Fonz bleeds through the mix and you can hear his funky style. Feel like Dave's guitar is a little buried. Also Boyd sounds weird/bad.

Didn't think Daves guitar was low, I actually like how it sounds, same with Boyd, thought he sounded good. Yeah def not the best performances of these songs that's for sure. a lot of sloppiness overall, but the vibe of this show is nice..super loud crowd, has a real party vibe to it. And I also thought two step was one of highlights of the whole show, so I guess agree to disagree :lol---if you're on the fence about the release I'd listen to Two step, Jimi, cry freedom. Those are solid imo. Certainly can't compete with LT37 (one of the best in the entire series) but it's a fun listen.

Poth Ead
07-15-2016, 05:14 PM
I listened to 6.4.96 at work the other day so I'm looking forward to listening to this release and just comparing the performances.

soright05
07-15-2016, 05:49 PM
hi-res coverart? thanks

soright05
07-18-2016, 06:15 AM
Holy skipping at the end of watchtower.

Mersh
07-18-2016, 06:44 AM
Holy skipping at the end of watchtower. yeah. I was wondering if that is on the cd as well.

Mersh
07-18-2016, 06:45 AM
Too bad because it is a pretty decent Watchtower.

Mersh
07-18-2016, 12:39 PM
Guessing this release isn't getting many listens around here. The show is fine, it isn't great, it isn't bad. It is a bit sloppy at times, but has a few nice performances. Not sure if all the skipping/noise exists on the cd version, but the end of Watchtower is terrible on the download version. Nothing really remarkable here...pretty much a middle of the pack LT release. It was nice to revisit a show I went to, but there are several other 96 shows I would have liked before this one. When it comes to 96, I prefer the fall tour.

I will repeat the request for better coverart. The artwork they attach to the downloads is shitty.

TheNoise
07-18-2016, 12:56 PM
I will repeat the request for better coverart. The artwork they attach to the downloads is shitty.

sticky thread has good art

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/1901/bz27aogzbozx607zg.jpg

Mersh
07-18-2016, 12:59 PM
sticky thread has good art

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/1901/bz27aogzbozx607zg.jpg

thanks...I completely forgot about that thread.

Mersh
07-18-2016, 03:34 PM
Watchtower noise is not present on the cd version.

Mersh
07-18-2016, 03:56 PM
Also, hope we get info on that Dave solo 96 show soon

soright05
07-18-2016, 04:29 PM
Watchtower noise is not present on the cd version.



Good to know

sean52692
07-18-2016, 04:39 PM
Guessing this release isn't getting many listens around here. The show is fine, it isn't great, it isn't bad. It is a bit sloppy at times, but has a few nice performances. Not sure if all the skipping/noise exists on the cd version, but the end of Watchtower is terrible on the download version. Nothing really remarkable here...pretty much a middle of the pack LT release. It was nice to revisit a show I went to, but there are several other 96 shows I would have liked before this one. When it comes to 96, I prefer the fall tour.

I will repeat the request for better coverart. The artwork they attach to the downloads is shitty.

Pretty much how I felt towards this show.

It's not a waste of a release, but it's not a standout by any means.

Mersh
07-18-2016, 04:47 PM
Good to know don't worry, I am sure they will fix the download and send out an apology email with a link to the corrected version or some sort of credit.

Jayes
07-18-2016, 04:52 PM
:lol

Poth Ead
07-18-2016, 05:57 PM
gonna listen to this tonight. smoke a bowl.

soright05
07-18-2016, 05:59 PM
don't worry, I am sure they will fix the download and send out an apology email with a link to the corrected version or some sort of credit.



Hahaha
Sarcasm

cryfreedom09
07-18-2016, 07:13 PM
gonna listen to this tonight. smoke a bowl.

Yeah C'mon :)

Jack
07-20-2016, 01:53 PM
Listening to these 1.0 shows really make the transition going back to 3.0 even more jarring. From Dave Matthews Band to Dave Methews Band #LouderFasterNow

wiebrod
07-20-2016, 02:14 PM
Listening to these 1.0 shows really make the transition going back to 3.0 even more jarring. From Dave Matthews Band to Dave Methews Band #LouderFasterNow

I know. I had a long trip home yesterday and I listened to 4-2-93. I agree with your post completely.

Mersh
07-20-2016, 02:47 PM
Listening to these 1.0 shows really make the transition going back to 3.0 even more jarring. From Dave Matthews Band to Dave Methews Band #LouderFasterNow not surprising, but I can't listen to a full 3.0 show. I'll check out a track here and there, but outside of the recent D+T show I went to, I haven't downloaded a DMB show from the last several years.

batleon
07-20-2016, 02:55 PM
I enjoyed 3.0 for stretches (2008-early '09, some parts of '10, 2013 for the most part) but aside from the June '08 run there is little that I find myself wanting to go back to with any regularity.

roshea999
07-20-2016, 03:27 PM
yeah, lost in this mix is that early 3.0 was really fucking good. 2008 is such an awesome tour and performances. Spring 09 was a great tour.

But it got ugly

greykitkat36
07-20-2016, 03:45 PM
not surprising, but I can't listen to a full 3.0 show. I'll check out a track here and there, but outside of the recent D+T show I went to, I haven't downloaded a DMB show from the last several years.

Same here. The last few recent 3.0 Live Traxs I couldn't even get through the whole thing. The '08 Busch Stadium release is probably the only one I've listened to more than once.

roshea999
07-20-2016, 05:34 PM
Same here. The last few recent 3.0 Live Traxs I couldn't even get through the whole thing. The '08 Busch Stadium release is probably the only one I've listened to more than once.

Busch Stadium, LT 15, LT 19, and Leroi's last show are all solid.

cryfreedom09
07-20-2016, 07:02 PM
Busch Stadium, LT 15, LT 19, and Leroi's last show are all solid.

These and I really enjoyed LT 35 as well.

batleon
07-21-2016, 08:09 AM
That Busch show is awesome. Roi is on fire throughout and there are a lot of classic DMB songs on it.

Thrawn
07-21-2016, 10:28 AM
That Busch show is awesome. Roi is on fire throughout and there are a lot of classic DMB songs on it.

Carter's snare is ridiculously goddamn loud in the mix, but that's my only irritation with that release. It's a great one. What Tim sounds like when he's playing subtly!

SeekUpAB
07-21-2016, 12:15 PM
Pretty much through this whole thing and it's fine but very forgettable. I don't think there's a single track I see myself really going back to. The mix isn't great either. Roi is way too low.

MaLaKaS
07-23-2016, 06:39 PM
I view them as two totally different bands, with almost the same members in them. It may sound weird, but I consider 3.0 a completely different band, who covers DMB songs.

Poth Ead
07-23-2016, 10:40 PM
I view them as two totally different bands, with almost the same members in them. It may sound weird, but I consider 3.0 a completely different band, who covers DMB songs.
that about sums up where I am.. as a lonnng time fan. In my mind, I've seperated their "bandsmanship" pre and post Leroi and I most definately prefer the former.

Tomacco
07-24-2016, 12:31 AM
I view them as two totally different bands, with almost the same members in them. It may sound weird, but I consider 3.0 a completely different band, who covers DMB songs.

That outright sounds like a negative, but in cases like this release, I see it as a positive. For me, this 1996 release is a good example of forgettable earlier DMB. There are a lot of 1995, 1998, and 2000 shows of this earlier period that I dig and consider DMB at their best, and a few 1999 ones too. But I've come to realize that 1996 and 1997 are years I'm completely disinterested in. I would rather listen to 2008-2016 DMB, even if they do sound very different. Something about their sound in 1996-97 just sounds hollow and not energized at all, for me.

sean52692
07-24-2016, 12:37 AM
1996, I get that. But 1997 especially the June shows with Bela... Those are beyond incredible.

Tomacco
07-24-2016, 12:38 AM
1996, I get that. But 1997 especially the June shows with Bela... Those are beyond incredible.

I like the New Year's shows with Bela from 96 into 97 (LT7), but overall, those years haven't grabbed me. But then again, anyone following my posts here knows I don't have a boner for the past the way many people do. I generally am enthused over the current-year Live Trax releases. And I'm hoping the next LT is Charlottesville 2016. I generally prefer releases that offer me something new, and the more releases we get from 1993-1999, the less I'm interested in hearing shows from that era, with the 30th release of songs from the big 3.

dmb2much40
07-24-2016, 12:39 AM
The august 96 HORDE run, 11.9.96 and NYE run are good. But yeah, more of the exception than the rule.

Habbs
07-24-2016, 12:46 AM
96 has some other good shows, LT 18, 5/11/96 (Toronto ;)), 6/11/96, 6/23/96, MSG's 96, 10/24/96 shows are all recalled fondly by me

The sweet spot is 98-04 IMO though, even with 01 in there

Tomacco
07-24-2016, 01:04 AM
The sweet spot is 98-04 IMO though, even with 01 in there

I agree with this also because I just honestly much prefer Dave's vocals 1998 onward. Before that his vocals are too often nasal and not dynamic like they became later on.

greykitkat36
07-24-2016, 08:30 PM
I totally agree Tomacco. '96 and '97 definitely sound empty. Kind of sounds like the band is pretty burnt out to me through those two years. They seem more tired and lot more loose in those years. They sound a lot tighter from 93-95 imo. It wasn't until Winter '98 to me that they really helped solidify their bigger live sound. The sounds started to sound fuller and tighter. Bringing Butch And Tim certainly helped and I think that's why they ended up keeping Butch on. Not only did the BTCS songs sound better and more full with him, but everything else did too. They've been that way ever since. They haven't played as a true Core 4/5 group since basically early '98.

MaLaKaS
07-25-2016, 01:29 AM
That outright sounds like a negative, but in cases like this release, I see it as a positive. For me, this 1996 release is a good example of forgettable earlier DMB. There are a lot of 1995, 1998, and 2000 shows of this earlier period that I dig and consider DMB at their best, and a few 1999 ones too. But I've come to realize that 1996 and 1997 are years I'm completely disinterested in. I would rather listen to 2008-2016 DMB, even if they do sound very different. Something about their sound in 1996-97 just sounds hollow and not energized at all, for me.



I guess we agree to disagree then. There were so many unique "inflections" and classic DMB parts in those songs that are no longer being used. Dave has a much stronger voice, Boyd actually played well, Carter used more skill in his fills, as opposed to all out "rock drummer" the past few years, Stefan has always been solid, and Roi was alive. It was classic hungry youthful DMB. You really prefer DMB era with Roi not alive? I'm not arguing though, as I know you are into latter DMB more than former DMB. I respect your opinion of course, but I can't really agree with it. All is well though :)

Mersh
07-25-2016, 12:07 PM
But then again, anyone following my posts here knows I don't have a boner for the past the way many people do.

Heh, I don't think there are many people that mind being the asshole for thinking that 2000 and earlier DMB is better than 2008-2016 DMB. Especially people who saw them during those years.

mja271
07-25-2016, 02:06 PM
Whoever noted the '98-04 window, in terms of what I'd like released at this point I'd fall into that category. Expanded catalog being a big reason. The band's beginnings through '97 are amazing, but I also feel like every release is going to more or less have the same set by now and as good as the performances are it's nothing we don't have a ton of already. It just feels like we've had that era represented well enough at this point. I'd personally love to see some '02-'03 represented in the future, or Summer '98-'99.

Thrawn
07-25-2016, 02:18 PM
Whoever noted the '98-04 window, in terms of what I'd like released at this point I'd fall into that category. Expanded catalog being a big reason. The band's beginnings through '97 are amazing, but I also feel like every release is going to more or less have the same set by now and as good as the performances are it's nothing we don't have a ton of already. It just feels like we've had that era represented well enough at this point. I'd personally love to see some '02-'03 represented in the future, or Summer '98-'99.

A thousand times this. In a lot of ways it's the most interesting period of the band's history, and it's the most underrepresented in releases.

Jack
07-25-2016, 03:43 PM
The band's beginnings through '97 are amazing, but I also feel like every release is going to more or less have the same set by now

That's why this release was such a big swing and a miss for me. 6/11/96 was sitting right there and would have been a show like nothing we had seen before. Instead this was just ho hum, nothing special and not worth buying unless you're a completist or were there.

Mersh
07-25-2016, 04:25 PM
That's why this release was such a big swing and a miss for me. 6/11/96 was sitting right there and would have been a show like nothing we had seen before. Instead this was just ho hum, nothing special and not worth buying unless you're a completist or were there. agreed.

Mersh
07-25-2016, 04:26 PM
That being said, I don't care about repetition in earlier shows if the show is good.

Poth Ead
07-25-2016, 08:44 PM
Good versions of Two Step, Crash, Cry Freedom and Seek Up on here but like most have said, this set is pretty much a one listen and back to the shelf. 10 years ago, we'd kill for a show like this professionally mixed and released. Now, it's average at best in a series of mostly average shows...and I'm talking LT, not DMBLive imo

batleon
07-26-2016, 08:24 AM
Glad I skipped this one, sounds like I didn't miss much.

I too would like to see more '98-'04 releases at this point, but I agree with this statement as well:

I don't care about repetition in earlier shows if the show is good.

There's still a handful of earlier shows I'd like to see released regardless of repetition because they are really good shows. I need to go back and update my list of shows I'd spend money on...

Poth Ead
07-26-2016, 08:32 AM
I need to go back and update my list of shows I'd spend money on...

you got your multi track Griesar show :smoke

batleon
07-26-2016, 10:10 AM
you got your multi track Griesar show :smoke

And I only wanted that one more for completionist reasons (a decently mixed show from a unique DMB era) but it ended up being way better than I expected it would be :upyours

MaLaKaS
07-31-2016, 10:03 PM
That's why this release was such a big swing and a miss for me. 6/11/96 was sitting right there and would have been a show like nothing we had seen before. Instead this was just ho hum, nothing special and not worth buying unless you're a completist or were there.

6/11/96 would have been the best choice for this release. I agree with you on that. This show is solid though.

batleon
08-01-2016, 10:28 AM
Would have bought 6/11. Never going to buy this.

Mitch
08-01-2016, 10:57 AM
This one's pretty forgettable. Next!

greykitkat36
08-01-2016, 11:29 AM
After multiple listens I was expecting much more out of this release, but yeah, it's just not that memorable. It's a good show, a tad sloppy in certain spots for sure. For the most part it's a well played show, but nothing that blows you away. I feel that way about most of 96 though, except for fall '96. I concur with the cow palace shows that they should be released.

batleon
08-01-2016, 12:18 PM
The worst part about this is that it's the second SPAC release and we still don't have a release from that venue that really showcases how special shows are there...

Habbs
08-01-2016, 01:26 PM
The worst part about this is that it's the second SPAC release and we still don't have a release from that venue that really showcases how special shows are there...

IMO just another example of how overemphasized this "special shows" at special venues position really is.

Mersh
08-01-2016, 01:37 PM
The worst part about this is that it's the second SPAC release and we still don't have a release from that venue that really showcases how special shows are there... I agree in this case, but I think 8.29.00 is a fantastic show. That said I'd like to have gotten/get 7.26.98, 7.29.02 or 7.2.04.

Mersh
08-01-2016, 01:38 PM
Also, the 97 show was good, but not my top in that week of shows.

Mersh
08-01-2016, 01:38 PM
IMO just another example of how overemphasized this "special shows" at special venues position really is. as in certain venues don't get better shows than others?

Rowsdower
08-01-2016, 01:41 PM
The worst part about this is that it's the second SPAC release and we still don't have a release from that venue that really showcases how special shows are there...

7/29/02, 7/2/04, 6/21/08, 6/13/09, heck, even one of the shows from '16. It's disappointing they probably won't release some of the best shows from that venue.

Habbs
08-01-2016, 01:47 PM
as in certain venues don't get better shows than others?

I'm not saying that the band doesn't enjoy certain venues more than others, I just think everyone overvalues this in terms of how they view/evaluate their enjoyment/quality of the performances. I think certain venues get better shows than others, I just don't think those certain venues are always SPAC, Alpine, Deer Creek, Gorge, etc every year.

ThememanXX
08-01-2016, 02:05 PM
Yeah, this release is certainly underwhelming.

batleon
08-01-2016, 02:05 PM
I agree in this case, but I think 8.29.00 is a fantastic show. That said I'd like to have gotten/get 7.26.98, 7.29.02 or 7.2.04.

Not a knock on the '00 show, I just feel like people cite other shows as the greatest at that venue (as mentioned by you and others '98, '02, '04, '08, etc.). We need one (or more) of those at some point.

Mersh
08-01-2016, 02:17 PM
Not a knock on the '00 show, I just feel like people cite other shows as the greatest at that venue (as mentioned by you and others '98, '02, '04, '08, etc.). We need one (or more) of those at some point.

That I agree with. I'd love to get 7.26.98 as my first choice...7.2.04 is my second.

Jack
08-02-2016, 09:18 AM
That I agree with. I'd love to get 7.26.98 as my first choice...7.2.04 is my second.

Yea, but you gotta go with one of the Greg Howard sets at the e center, no? I haven't listened in years, but the set on n1 is nuts.

Mersh
08-02-2016, 02:23 PM
Yea, but you gotta go with one of the Greg Howard sets at the e center, no? I haven't listened in years, but the set on n1 is nuts. I agree, but I was talking about just SPAC shows. The show you are talking about is great though.

sean52692
08-20-2016, 11:54 PM
This might be my favorite Jimi of all time. Roi's solo is hitting it on all cylinders, including the screaming sax which is mixed perfectly.

Fan#41
08-22-2016, 07:45 AM
As far as Roi's Jimi solos, 9/2/00 is still my favorite, but this still is a good one.

drummerkrf
12-06-2016, 12:21 PM
Would anyone be so kind as to send me the rip of Disc 1?

I purchased this during their sale on LT cds and it was packaged with only Disc 2 in the sleeve. Don't want to deal with the bullshit in calling them on it and replacing it...

K270
12-06-2016, 07:50 PM
Would anyone be so kind as to send me the rip of Disc 1?

I purchased this during their sale on LT cds and it was packaged with only Disc 2 in the sleeve. Don't want to deal with the bullshit in calling them on it and replacing it...

Just curious as to why you don't want to deal with them? I've never had a problem with dealing with them.