Listening to every show...

[drummerkrf]

Originally Posted by greykitkat36 What were the best shows so far? For both of you doing this.

So far for me its been

7/21/92: Awesome show (great Blue Water, harmonica SMTS, Dave “Ariba!” Two Step, 15 min. Typical Situation with whispering intro)

10/31/92: Halloween debut, Blue Water Baboon Farm (awesome WWYS)

11/11/92: Crescendo Ants Intro. Good Boyd/Stefan improv jam. Great WWYS. Warehouse – “that’s my blood down there” repeated, prior to written “seems poured from the hands of angels..” lyrics



(yes... I'm keeping a running log of things that stand out to me. Copied over from that ^)

[drummerkrf]

For the Halloween fans out there.

12/02/92 is one of the first versions where development of the song transitions from something experimental to what we know it to be now. This is the first time I've noticed where he goes into full-scream, lose-his-voice type vocals at the end.

[celluloid hero]

Originally Posted by drummerkrf So far for me its been 7/21/92: Awesome show (great Blue Water, harmonica SMTS, Dave “Ariba!” Two Step, 15 min. Typical Situation with whispering intro) 10/31/92: Halloween debut, Blue Water Baboon Farm (awesome WWYS) 11/11/92: Crescendo Ants Intro. Good Boyd/Stefan improv jam. Great WWYS. Warehouse – “that’s my blood down there” repeated, prior to written “seems poured from the hands of angels..” lyrics (yes... I'm keeping a running log of things that stand out to me. Copied over from that ^)

Warehouse doesn't get that ending until UTTAD sessions, if I'm not mistaken.

[drummerkrf]

Originally Posted by celluloid hero Warehouse doesn't get that ending until UTTAD sessions, if I'm not mistaken.

Probably right. It was just cool to hear him repeat it without the other lyrics...

[FiddySpence]

i hate those old Warehouse endings. the lyrics he wrote for it on UTTAD are perfect.

[drummerkrf]

Originally Posted by FiddySpence i hate those old Warehouse endings. the lyrics he wrote for it on UTTAD are perfect.

Agreed. The band just cuts off out of nowhere in most of them.


EDIT: another thing about this era that I'm not a fan of... Ants. Peter over-synthes the shit out of it... it sounds ridiculous.

[celluloid hero]

Originally Posted by drummerkrf Agreed. The band just cuts off out of nowhere in most of them. EDIT: another thing about this era that I'm not a fan of... Ants. Peter over-synthes the shit out of it... it sounds ridiculous.

It would've been much less prominent on AUDs. The soundboards are mixed with the house in mind. Most instruments are lower than the keys because they are audible without the microphones, the keys are not and are reliant on the speakers, so they are up higher in SBD mixes. So if you were to find a Peter era AUD, the balance should be much better and he'd be more in the background except when featured like Butch was.

[drummerkrf]

Originally Posted by celluloid hero It would've been much less prominent on AUDs. The soundboards are mixed with the house in mind. Most instruments are lower than the keys because they are audible without the microphones, the keys are not and are reliant on the speakers, so they are up higher in SBD mixes. So if you were to find a Peter era AUD, the balance should be much better and he'd be more in the background except when featured like Butch was.

Yah, never thought of that. I take a lot of the audio mixing and SBD stuff for granted. Not really all that well versed in those things. But from what you're saying... it makes perfect sense.

Thank god for those early 90s tapers.

[greykitkat36]

Originally Posted by drummerkrf Yah, never thought of that. I take a lot of the audio mixing and SBD stuff for granted. Not really all that well versed in those things. But from what you're saying... it makes perfect sense. Thank god for those early 90s tapers.

What show are you on? I'm going to consider doing this myself.

[Crush87]

Originally Posted by celluloid hero It would've been much less prominent on AUDs. The soundboards are mixed with the house in mind. Most instruments are lower than the keys because they are audible without the microphones, the keys are not and are reliant on the speakers, so they are up higher in SBD mixes. So if you were to find a Peter era AUD, the balance should be much better and he'd be more in the background except when featured like Butch was.

This is very true.

[drummerkrf]

Originally Posted by greykitkat36 What show are you on? I'm going to consider doing this myself.

12/9/92 at the Floodzone.

Minarets suddenly becomes a regular in December '92.

[batleon]

Originally Posted by celluloid hero It would've been much less prominent on AUDs. The soundboards are mixed with the house in mind. Most instruments are lower than the keys because they are audible without the microphones, the keys are not and are reliant on the speakers, so they are up higher in SBD mixes. So if you were to find a Peter era AUD, the balance should be much better and he'd be more in the background except when featured like Butch was.

Great point

Any recommendations on a good AUD from that era? I don't think I've ever listened to anything but SBDs from the early days.

[ThememanXX]

I'll get around to the "best shows" question later today, but as of right now, 10/5/04's Hello Again is stellar. Carter, Leon Mobley and Leroi just GO OFF. This one is just smokin from start to finish, and I had been getting a little tired of Hello Again lately.

[Monk]

Originally Posted by ThememanXX I'll get around to the "best shows" question later today, but as of right now, 10/5/04's Hello Again is stellar. Carter, Leon Mobley and Leroi just GO OFF. This one is just smokin from start to finish, and I had been getting a little tired of Hello Again lately.

Versions of songs like this should be making it to the Warehouse discs.

[celluloid hero]

Here's the problem. Especially when it comes to old versions (unbelievably, that Hello Again in 9 years old), we as a group in general know more about these non-obvious gems than the people picking the songs. A lot of that is because we have years worth of conversation between a lot of people who between us listen to every show in a discriminating way. Versions that were not obvious like a You Never Know from 5.10.02 or Say Goodbye from 6.3.99 or Warehouse 7.26.02 or So Right from Randall's 06 or this Hello Again are known amongst us commonly because someone talks about them enough for many people to listen to them.

They don't have that infrastructure there. I certainly don't blame them for that. I wish they would reach out a bit more to different populations. Obviously different sites have had some input into things including us (because they haven't credited it, I wouldn't want to get into details) and we have recently sent something, but all of those suggestions were initiated by us and you never want to wear out your welcome by sending list after list once a month and massive master lists usually get glanced over and aren't direct enough.

[ThememanXX]

Originally Posted by celluloid hero Obviously different sites have had some input into things including us (because they haven't credited it, I wouldn't want to get into details) and we have recently sent something, but all of those suggestions were initiated by us and you never want to wear out your welcome by sending list after list once a month and massive master lists usually get glanced over and aren't direct enough.

[AndyB]

Originally Posted by drummerkrf 11/11/92: Warehouse – “that’s my blood down there” repeated, prior to written “seems poured from the hands of angels..” lyrics

Originally Posted by celluloid hero Warehouse doesn't get that ending until UTTAD sessions, if I'm not mistaken.

Originally Posted by drummerkrf Probably right. It was just cool to hear him repeat it without the other lyrics...

Originally Posted by FiddySpence i hate those old Warehouse endings. the lyrics he wrote for it on UTTAD are perfect.

I'm sure some to all of you know this, but "that's my blood down there" is a line lifted from a Neville Brothers song, which they repeat in the original. That's why Dave had that one line, and sang it over and over, before writing the others.



The lines he did write for the post-UTTAD versions are some of my favorite Dave lyrics ever.

[celluloid hero]

Speaking of that part of Warehouse, what I don't like is that now that they jam out the section before, when they drop back into the "That's my blood down there" part, it goes from a fast intense jam back to the normal pace and it sounds awkward. It used to build to that ending, now it builds way up before that ending and deconstructs into the section and the passion of it is nowhere near as strong as it used to be. I noticed it most on the Live Trax v2.

[batleon]

Originally Posted by celluloid hero massive master lists usually get glanced over and aren't direct enough.

That's a shame because we could develop one very easily and all they'd need to do is slide 8 to 10 of them out a year and throw in anything else they like that we may have missed. They could go for years just based off of that list and never need to worry about making the effort, it'd all be done for them.

[FiddySpence]

Originally Posted by AndyB I'm sure some to all of you know this, but "that's my blood down there" is a line lifted from a Neville Brothers song, which they repeat in the original. That's why Dave had that one line, and sang it over and over, before writing the others. The lines he did write for the post-UTTAD versions are some of my favorite Dave lyrics ever.

i actually did not know that, thanks