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Old 12-03-2017, 11:35 AM   #41
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So we concluded that the black vinyl will sound better right? It was due to the manufacturers being more experienced with black vinyl, right?
There is a general misconception about colored vinyl. Colored vinyl will only sound worse because of the plant pressing it presses records terribly.

Though splits, tri and quad colors have the potential to sound worse because of how the biscuit is assembled to stamp (hand assembled), a good plant will mitigate flaws in the record. (splatters are generally fine because its just a biscuit dipped into pellets for the effect)

MPO presses well, so their colored pressing will sound fine.

The other misconception is that black is the neutral color for vinyl. All vinyl is colored.



tl;dr - If a record is cut well and pressed at a good plant it will sound fine regardless of the color or style.
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Old 12-04-2017, 02:30 PM   #42
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There is a general misconception about colored vinyl. Colored vinyl will only sound worse because of the plant pressing it presses records terribly.

Though splits, tri and quad colors have the potential to sound worse because of how the biscuit is assembled to stamp (hand assembled), a good plant will mitigate flaws in the record. (splatters are generally fine because its just a biscuit dipped into pellets for the effect)

MPO presses well, so their colored pressing will sound fine.

The other misconception is that black is the neutral color for vinyl. All vinyl is colored.



tl;dr - If a record is cut well and pressed at a good plant it will sound fine regardless of the color or style.
I do find MPO is definitely in the mid-level tier miles above URP and Rainbo...but the stampers for Crash were absolutely fine and loads of people reporting lots of distortion/nonfill with the colored splatter variant so given everything else was fine with the test pressings (and the same stampers were used for the black vinyl) one has to conclude it was MPO that had some QC issues?

I never listened to a colored variant. I know the issues being reported with RR95 were 99%+ due to turntables like the LP60 and nothing to do with the pressing plant, but Crash did sound like many copies were done poorly and it was people at places like SHTV reporting it too, not just vinyl noobs.

Interesting article about black vinyl and how Classic Records came up with the Clarity compound for their Clarity SVII single-sided 45rpm releases - [Only registered users can see links.]
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:29 AM   #43
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I have a sealed copy if anyone is interested. Face + shipping (around $90).
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:59 PM   #44
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There is a general misconception about colored vinyl. Colored vinyl will only sound worse because of the plant pressing it presses records terribly.

Though splits, tri and quad colors have the potential to sound worse because of how the biscuit is assembled to stamp (hand assembled), a good plant will mitigate flaws in the record. (splatters are generally fine because its just a biscuit dipped into pellets for the effect)

MPO presses well, so their colored pressing will sound fine.

The other misconception is that black is the neutral color for vinyl. All vinyl is colored.



tl;dr - If a record is cut well and pressed at a good plant it will sound fine regardless of the color or style.
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I do find MPO is definitely in the mid-level tier miles above URP and Rainbo...but the stampers for Crash were absolutely fine and loads of people reporting lots of distortion/nonfill with the colored splatter variant so given everything else was fine with the test pressings (and the same stampers were used for the black vinyl) one has to conclude it was MPO that had some QC issues?

I never listened to a colored variant. I know the issues being reported with RR95 were 99%+ due to turntables like the LP60 and nothing to do with the pressing plant, but Crash did sound like many copies were done poorly and it was people at places like SHTV reporting it too, not just vinyl noobs.

Interesting article about black vinyl and how Classic Records came up with the Clarity compound for their Clarity SVII single-sided 45rpm releases - [Only registered users can see links.]
thanks for the clarification on this guys
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:19 PM   #45
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black vinyl on sale at WH now

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Old 12-05-2017, 08:26 PM   #46
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:44 PM   #47
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Yeah, that's a bit much. I'll wait for a sale and bite on it.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:36 PM   #48
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This is low as it will probably go. It was $100 on RSD.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:24 PM   #49
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:49 PM   #50
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:04 PM   #51
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This is low as it will probably go. It was $100 on RSD.
Is it a limited release or will it be available on places like Amazon? Red Rocks came down a little bit and I snagged.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:31 PM   #52
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Is it a limited release or will it be available on places like Amazon? Red Rocks came down a little bit and I snagged.
It's already listed on Amazon for pre-order (comes out Jan 5th through other retailers). It's listed at $81 now but I assume if you're patient it will drop in a few months like Red Rocks has.

I am impatient so I already ordered from the Warehouse. At least I got a rolling stone subscription for free out of it.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:02 PM   #53
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It's already listed on Amazon for pre-order (comes out Jan 5th through other retailers). It's listed at $81 now but I assume if you're patient it will drop in a few months like Red Rocks has.
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Red Rocks sounds incredible. Will enjoy Luther too.
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Old 12-06-2017, 04:18 PM   #54
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I just love that these releases aren't impossible to obtain anymore.
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:08 AM   #55
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Today is the last day on SoundStageDirect to use the WB20 code and get 20% off eligible titles; Luther College is eligible for this code which will bring your order to $60.79 shipped. (Ships Jan 5th or thereabouts and shipping is free if you choose USPS Media Mail)

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That's a much more palatable price for a 4LP set.
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Old 12-07-2017, 11:36 AM   #57
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Today is the last day on SoundStageDirect to use the WB20 code and get 20% off eligible titles; Luther College is eligible for this code which will bring your order to $60.79 shipped. (Ships Jan 5th or thereabouts and shipping is free if you choose USPS Media Mail)

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That's a much more palatable price for a 4LP set.
D'oh.. jumped the gun on the WH site
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:20 PM   #58
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